mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 801 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4951 times:
Wow, as involved in these forums and aviation news sites as I thought I was, I had no idea they were putting TVs in their planes. I knew they trialed them a few years ago but then I thought they abandoned them.
Good for WN and yes, no longer are they no-frills (not that they ever really were).
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15810 posts, RR: 50 Reply 2, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4919 times:
I think this is the sign of things to come; makes you wonder if spending on all the UA/B6/VX/DL PTVs is for nought...
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 887 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4900 times:
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1): I had no idea they were putting TVs in their planes
There is not going to be a physical TV in every seat... ie. bring your device and you can watch live TV from Row44 on your device. The link at the top has details.
tonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 967 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4838 times:
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1): Wow, as involved in these forums and aviation news sites as I thought I was, I had no idea they were putting TVs in their planes. I knew they trialed them a few years ago but then I thought they abandoned them.
Good for WN and yes, no longer are they no-frills (not that they ever really were).
Not PTVs, but you can watch live TV on your tablet or pc.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4793 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2): I think this is the sign of things to come; makes you wonder if spending on all the UA/B6/VX/DL PTVs is for nought...
It isn't; when given the choice, in my experience flying DL on PTV-equipped aircraft, I always see more passengers using the PTVs than their own personal devices. It's all about convenience.
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ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4055 posts, RR: 23 Reply 8, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4790 times:
I would almost say they went the smart way around with this. They get to save on the weight by not having PTVs in every seat and there is a growing number of pax that are bringing their own devices anyway.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2053 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4790 times:
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If they add some more channels I would for sure be interested in the live tv. On my last couple WN flights I was torn between the wifi and the live tv. But the poor selection of channels really pushed me to the Wifi. Good to see they have such good offerrings on their flights. They're slowly but surely becoming my carrier of choice.
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1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4774 times:
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 8): I would almost say they went the smart way around with this. They get to save on the weight by not having PTVs in every seat and there is a growing number of pax that are bringing their own devices anyway.
While growing, they are still a minority, and most people, if given a choice, would easily choose PTVs due to convenience. This has been my experience on DL aircraft with PTVs.
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RDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1078 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4733 times:
The wi-fi is UNGODLY slow. Just FYI. This isn't a complaint, but a comparison to the other products that are available in the market.
The provided movies will stream well, because they are on the system on the plane, but the internet service itself is extremely slow, I know, I used it twice last week I really hope UA's will be faster.
ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4055 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4657 times:
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11): The provided movies will stream well, because they are on the system on the plane,
I'm pretty sure the movies are being streamed in as well, not in an onboard system.
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10): While growing, they are still a minority, and most people, if given a choice, would easily choose PTVs due to convenience. This has been my experience on DL aircraft with PTVs.
While true, the PTV system is also going to have higher costs associated with it. Most on board offerings see a less than 10% usage for paid features when you look at all airline offerings. At some point it becomes a waste of money to outfit aircraft when there is a growing number of people with tablets. Still a long way to go, but growth in the tablet sector will likely continue to grow at a good clip as new tech is available.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 13):
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):
The provided movies will stream well, because they are on the system on the plane,
I'm pretty sure the movies are being streamed in as well, not in an onboard system.
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
While growing, they are still a minority, and most people, if given a choice, would easily choose PTVs due to convenience. This has been my experience on DL aircraft with PTVs.
While true, the PTV system is also going to have higher costs associated with it. Most on board offerings see a less than 10% usage for paid features when you look at all airline offerings. At some point it becomes a waste of money to outfit aircraft when there is a growing number of people with tablets. Still a long way to go, but growth in the tablet sector will likely continue to grow at a good clip as new tech is available.
Well, DL seems to disagree, and will be retrofitting the 753s with AVOD. In addition, all of the 739ERs will have AVOD installed at the factory. DL is not stupid; there is still a market for PTVs according to them.
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cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2381 posts, RR: 33 Reply 15, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
Personally I would rather have the option to watch TV or something on my iPad or laptop rather than the PTV in front of me. My iPad has superior screen size, superior resolution and superior sound quality than any PTV I've had the opportunity to use (DL and F9). Those screens were so tiny, what were they like 4-5" each? My iPad has a 9.7" screen, much better for viewing things. The only real holdup I see is price rationalization. WN wants to charge $8 for the option to use it, but if you're on a 2 hour PHX-TUL flight, and not connecting to anywhere, that price is a bit steep for "most people"
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10): and most people, if given a choice, would easily choose PTVs due to convenience. This has been my experience on DL aircraft with PTVs
Did you survey "most people" or you're just going off your opinions again? Tablets are still relatively new to the world, I would guess that "most people" don't have tablets as of yet. Once they become a little less expensive and people start buying more and more, I bet that "most people" will be watching them over a PTV, that's my opinion.
I recently flew TUL-DFW-PHX and back on AA MD80's with wifi and was surprised at how many people I saw using laptops or tablets during the flights.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4545 times:
I'm going by visual observation. Furthermore, your AA MD-80 comparison is flawed since they are not equipped with IFE of any kind, making personal devices the only choice for entertainment. Put AVOD on them and you will see a huge differenece in number of those using the IFE vs. those using personal devices.
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cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2381 posts, RR: 33 Reply 18, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4482 times:
While it might not compare well against DL and PTV, since this thread is about WN and how they're going about adding IFE, I felt it fit in quite well. I notice how you didn't comment on the inferiority of PTV's over tablets when it came to screen size and display quality.
I'm going to quit now.... I've read your posts long enough to know that PTV is one of two things you care about so really there's no point in arguing this with you.
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 887 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4448 times:
And your Delta comparison isn't fair either. What if people don't know what the wi-fi can do and just think the TV has it, what about the the flight length etc... Visual observations in this case aren't gonna be fair because there are too many variables.
Delta thinks PTV is the way to go, Southwest thinks streaming to the device is the way to go, the best solution is gonna be different for every airline, Delta and Southwest can both be right for there own airlines because they have different operations.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 19): Delta thinks PTV is the way to go, Southwest thinks streaming to the device is the way to go, the best solution is gonna be different for every airline, Delta and Southwest can both be right for there own airlines because they have different operations.
Well, DL is offering both, thus giving customers a choice. Removing PTVs would alienate many loyal DL FFs, and would simply be throwing away millions of dollars invested.
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21285 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4358 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20): Removing PTVs would alienate many loyal DL FFs,
Proof?
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20): would simply be throwing away millions of dollars invested.
WN doesn't have that problem. Maybe that's why the right solution for DL and the right solution for WN are different. It would seem that both WN and DL recognize the value of a consistent product across their domestic narrowbody fleets.
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EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12590 posts, RR: 64 Reply 22, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4331 times:
Kudos to WN for coming up with an innovative approach to onboard IFE. I suggested this very same idea to the AS officers' group during a meeting 4 years ago and it never was never taken up.
I'm glad to see I wasn't alone in my thinking that this would be a winner.
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toobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 674 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4284 times:
Yawn...and to the folks saying nobody watches PTVs on DL..bs. I guarantee you I have been on more DL flights than you and can say that 90%+ enjoy the complimentary offerings. Keep your Luv, I'll keep mine.
mcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4269 times:
Did the put power ports at each seat?
25 airbazar: That doesn't mean that most people will bring their tablets with them when they fly, just like today most people own laptops and they don't carry the
26 BD338: I find it varies but it can be incredibly slow, drops the connection, can take many attempts to connect etc. I wouldn't pay $8 (quietly increased fro
27 Barney Captain: I always thought that as well - then I read this; Q: I just want email. Won't the addition of these entertainment options require a ton of bandwidth?
28 ouboy79: Every airline does things different that works for their model. WN also has a WiFi system that is satellite based that will work pretty much anywhere
29 alggag: How much drag does the satellite bubble add? Is it small enough to still come out ahead of the weight added by PTV?
30 FlyPNS1: Hardly. PTV's on DL domestically are extremely hit and miss. Much of DL's domestic fleet does not have them and never will. If you're loyal to DL bec
31 jayunited: This is the way to go, adding a PTV at every seat adds a lot of weight to an aircraft adding satellite based wifi with a debated pipeline for live TV
32 Derik737: It's definitely not insignificant. I've been told that it negates the winglets. I'd love to see the actual performance numbers myself.
33 jr: I have never flown WN, but I have tried the gogo internet multiple times on DL and AS and it was too slow for it to be worthwhile. It is something I
34 ouboy79: I think it depends on the device you are using when it comes to power usage. It also comes down to people using their device appropriately to maximiz
35 Cubsrule: One thing WN has done a really good job of in the past couple of years is bringing power to its gate areas. There are only a few airports--mostly sma
36 bobloblaw: Weight is a reason PTV's and especially AVOD are a thing of the past. I dont know if WN's entertainment system will be ground based or they will simp
37 ouboy79: Barney covered that up in Reply 27. Movies are on board, TV is through a separate broadband channel.
38 flyiguy: When is the last time you used Row 44 on SWA? This was true in the past but since it was slow the provider spent something like 45 milion on upgradin
39 RDH3E: Last week. Took nearly a minute to load the google homepage.
40 ADent: Don't forget the moving map is also available from the wifi for free.
41 jr: I don't believe the comparison from that link there allows for wifi being on while running a movie or entertainment. Huge difference. Also, its not a
42 ual-fan: This is so cool. I am on a flight tomorrow and I can't wait to try it out. I thought Delta was going to do something like this. Paying $15.00+ for "Go
43 ouboy79: There was another link I thought I posted that discussed battery life with wifi on all the time, that showed results that still allowed devices to be
44 mcdu: Go ahead and blame the passengers. However, I believe power is key to getting someone to buy your new service. You cite articles about battery life.
45 ouboy79: Perhaps if demand is high enough and it makes financial sense, then it will be added later. Airlines' in flight wifi services through barely see a 5-
46 Cubsrule: How about laptops? I don't know many laptops that are not enormous that have that type of battery life. Many of us carry around--and work on--laptops
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