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Wifi, Live TV And V.O.D. Now On All SWA -7 & -8  
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1393 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

All Southwest 737-700s and -800s now have WiFi, Live TV and Video On Demand.

http://www.blogsouthwest.com/video/tv-and-movies-demand-wifis-got-it

Some highlights...

Quote:

Pricing:
WiFi access: $8
TV: $5 (includes unlimited access to live television channels and on-demand television episodes)
Movies: $5 per movie
Quote:

We will be adding up to 20 channels of live television this year including children's and general interest programming.

Now, people can stop saying they don't offer inflight entertainment and frankly you can stop calling them no frills.


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3127 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5908 times:
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Wow, as involved in these forums and aviation news sites as I thought I was, I had no idea they were putting TVs in their planes. I knew they trialed them a few years ago but then I thought they abandoned them.

Good for WN and yes, no longer are they no-frills (not that they ever really were).



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17495 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

I think this is the sign of things to come; makes you wonder if spending on all the UA/B6/VX/DL PTVs is for nought...


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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

I don't believe they are putting TV's -- it's wireless (laptops, tablets).

I also note that they've raised the WiFi price by 3 bucks.
Not surprising but interesting nonetheless.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1393 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5857 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
I had no idea they were putting TVs in their planes

There is not going to be a physical TV in every seat... ie. bring your device and you can watch live TV from Row44 on your device. The link at the top has details.

[Edited 2013-02-19 11:50:40]


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3127 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5796 times:
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Quoting airliner371 (Reply 4):

Ooooh. Sorry my iPad won't let me open the link for some reason   



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User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
Wow, as involved in these forums and aviation news sites as I thought I was, I had no idea they were putting TVs in their planes. I knew they trialed them a few years ago but then I thought they abandoned them.

Good for WN and yes, no longer are they no-frills (not that they ever really were).

Not PTVs, but you can watch live TV on your tablet or pc.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5750 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
I think this is the sign of things to come; makes you wonder if spending on all the UA/B6/VX/DL PTVs is for nought...

It isn't; when given the choice, in my experience flying DL on PTV-equipped aircraft, I always see more passengers using the PTVs than their own personal devices. It's all about convenience.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

I would almost say they went the smart way around with this. They get to save on the weight by not having PTVs in every seat and there is a growing number of pax that are bringing their own devices anyway.

User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5747 times:
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If they add some more channels I would for sure be interested in the live tv. On my last couple WN flights I was torn between the wifi and the live tv. But the poor selection of channels really pushed me to the Wifi. Good to see they have such good offerrings on their flights. They're slowly but surely becoming my carrier of choice.
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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 8):
I would almost say they went the smart way around with this. They get to save on the weight by not having PTVs in every seat and there is a growing number of pax that are bringing their own devices anyway.

While growing, they are still a minority, and most people, if given a choice, would easily choose PTVs due to convenience. This has been my experience on DL aircraft with PTVs.



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1672 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

The wi-fi is UNGODLY slow. Just FYI. This isn't a complaint, but a comparison to the other products that are available in the market.

The provided movies will stream well, because they are on the system on the plane, but the internet service itself is extremely slow, I know, I used it twice last week    I really hope UA's will be faster.


User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
I think this is the sign of things to come; makes you wonder if spending on all the UA/B6/VX/DL PTVs is for nought...

UA is taking multiple approaches. They are doing a similar thing as WN for the pmUA narrowbody aircraft and for 747 economy.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):
The provided movies will stream well, because they are on the system on the plane,

I'm pretty sure the movies are being streamed in as well, not in an onboard system.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
While growing, they are still a minority, and most people, if given a choice, would easily choose PTVs due to convenience. This has been my experience on DL aircraft with PTVs.

While true, the PTV system is also going to have higher costs associated with it. Most on board offerings see a less than 10% usage for paid features when you look at all airline offerings. At some point it becomes a waste of money to outfit aircraft when there is a growing number of people with tablets. Still a long way to go, but growth in the tablet sector will likely continue to grow at a good clip as new tech is available.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 13):

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):
The provided movies will stream well, because they are on the system on the plane,

I'm pretty sure the movies are being streamed in as well, not in an onboard system.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
While growing, they are still a minority, and most people, if given a choice, would easily choose PTVs due to convenience. This has been my experience on DL aircraft with PTVs.

While true, the PTV system is also going to have higher costs associated with it. Most on board offerings see a less than 10% usage for paid features when you look at all airline offerings. At some point it becomes a waste of money to outfit aircraft when there is a growing number of people with tablets. Still a long way to go, but growth in the tablet sector will likely continue to grow at a good clip as new tech is available.

Well, DL seems to disagree, and will be retrofitting the 753s with AVOD. In addition, all of the 739ERs will have AVOD installed at the factory. DL is not stupid; there is still a market for PTVs according to them.



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User currently offlinecactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
It isn't

That's your opinion.

Personally I would rather have the option to watch TV or something on my iPad or laptop rather than the PTV in front of me. My iPad has superior screen size, superior resolution and superior sound quality than any PTV I've had the opportunity to use (DL and F9). Those screens were so tiny, what were they like 4-5" each? My iPad has a 9.7" screen, much better for viewing things. The only real holdup I see is price rationalization. WN wants to charge $8 for the option to use it, but if you're on a 2 hour PHX-TUL flight, and not connecting to anywhere, that price is a bit steep for "most people"

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
in my experience flying D
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
and most people, if given a choice, would easily choose PTVs due to convenience. This has been my experience on DL aircraft with PTVs

Did you survey "most people" or you're just going off your opinions again? Tablets are still relatively new to the world, I would guess that "most people" don't have tablets as of yet. Once they become a little less expensive and people start buying more and more, I bet that "most people" will be watching them over a PTV, that's my opinion.


I recently flew TUL-DFW-PHX and back on AA MD80's with wifi and was surprised at how many people I saw using laptops or tablets during the flights.



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5521 times:
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I would much rather have my own device with content I know is on it. Why risk having the airline tell you what you want to see.


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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 15):


I'm going by visual observation. Furthermore, your AA MD-80 comparison is flawed since they are not equipped with IFE of any kind, making personal devices the only choice for entertainment. Put AVOD on them and you will see a huge differenece in number of those using the IFE vs. those using personal devices.



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User currently offlinecactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):
your AA MD-80 comparison is flawed

While it might not compare well against DL and PTV, since this thread is about WN and how they're going about adding IFE, I felt it fit in quite well. I notice how you didn't comment on the inferiority of PTV's over tablets when it came to screen size and display quality.

I'm going to quit now.... I've read your posts long enough to know that PTV is one of two things you care about so really there's no point in arguing this with you.



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1393 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 13):

  

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):

And your Delta comparison isn't fair either. What if people don't know what the wi-fi can do and just think the TV has it, what about the the flight length etc... Visual observations in this case aren't gonna be fair because there are too many variables.

Delta thinks PTV is the way to go, Southwest thinks streaming to the device is the way to go, the best solution is gonna be different for every airline, Delta and Southwest can both be right for there own airlines because they have different operations.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 19):
Delta thinks PTV is the way to go, Southwest thinks streaming to the device is the way to go, the best solution is gonna be different for every airline, Delta and Southwest can both be right for there own airlines because they have different operations.

Well, DL is offering both, thus giving customers a choice. Removing PTVs would alienate many loyal DL FFs, and would simply be throwing away millions of dollars invested.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20):
Removing PTVs would alienate many loyal DL FFs,

Proof?

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20):
would simply be throwing away millions of dollars invested.

WN doesn't have that problem. Maybe that's why the right solution for DL and the right solution for WN are different. It would seem that both WN and DL recognize the value of a consistent product across their domestic narrowbody fleets.



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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5288 times:
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Kudos to WN for coming up with an innovative approach to onboard IFE. I suggested this very same idea to the AS officers' group during a meeting 4 years ago and it never was never taken up.

I'm glad to see I wasn't alone in my thinking that this would be a winner.



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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

Yawn...and to the folks saying nobody watches PTVs on DL..bs. I guarantee you I have been on more DL flights than you and can say that 90%+ enjoy the complimentary offerings. Keep your Luv, I'll keep mine.

User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

Did the put power ports at each seat?

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8363 posts, RR: 10
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 13):
While true, the PTV system is also going to have higher costs associated with it. Most on board offerings see a less than 10% usage for paid features when you look at all airline offerings. At some point it becomes a waste of money to outfit aircraft when there is a growing number of people with tablets. Still a long way to go, but growth in the tablet sector will likely continue to grow at a good clip as new tech is available.

That doesn't mean that most people will bring their tablets with them when they fly, just like today most people own laptops and they don't carry their laptops either. Most people still only carry their smart phones when traveling and I don't see that changing any time soon.


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):
The wi-fi is UNGODLY slow

I find it varies but it can be incredibly slow, drops the connection, can take many attempts to connect etc. I wouldn't pay $8 (quietly increased from $5 a few weeks ago) for the short 1 -1.5 hour trips I make on WN but the free wi-fi as a A+ member is a decent benefit. $8 is still a good deal compared to the daily rate other carriers charge though. Haven't tried the TV offering on WN but the channel selection was very limited (noted 20 channels coming later this year...maybe Discovery/History etc??) and if it is as slow as the wi-fi can be then I'd be a bit peeved at paying for a screen that probably freezes every 10 seconds. Still can't beat the free LiveTV on B6.

[Edited 2013-02-19 13:41:03]

User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 965 posts, RR: 13
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 13):
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):
The provided movies will stream well, because they are on the system on the plane,

I'm pretty sure the movies are being streamed in as well, not in an onboard system.

I always thought that as well - then I read this;

Q: I just want email. Won't the addition of these entertainment options require a ton of bandwidth?

A: The movies and TV do not interfere with the bandwidth onboard. The live channels are delivered through a dedicated "pipe" designed specifically for that reason and the on-demand content is stored on a server onboard the aircraft.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14):
Well, DL seems to disagree, and will be retrofitting the 753s with AVOD. In addition, all of the 739ERs will have AVOD installed at the factory. DL is not stupid; there is still a market for PTVs according to them.

Every airline does things different that works for their model. WN also has a WiFi system that is satellite based that will work pretty much anywhere. I know most other airlines use surface based bandwidth services where they won't function over water, not sure if DL has that system.

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 15):
Did you survey "most people" or you're just going off your opinions again? Tablets are still relatively new to the world, I would guess that "most people" don't have tablets as of yet. Once they become a little less expensive and people start buying more and more, I bet that "most people" will be watching them over a PTV, that's my opinion.

Exactly. Back in the day I worked for a tech company that made tablets...believe it or not Apple didn't invent them.   However they were clunky, heavy, and mainly for medical offices. The advancements being made in the tablet space is very impressive and we'll only see use expand. When I'm flying around the system I see more and more people pulling tablets out.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20):
Well, DL is offering both, thus giving customers a choice. Removing PTVs would alienate many loyal DL FFs, and would simply be throwing away millions of dollars invested.

Or just force them to switch over to the tablet sitting in their bag. However, each airline has a different business plan and what works for them.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 25):
That doesn't mean that most people will bring their tablets with them when they fly, just like today most people own laptops and they don't carry their laptops either. Most people still only carry their smart phones when traveling and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Laptops are larger and more of an issue to handle. Tablets are easy, thin, and very simple to transport and use. You can get a tablet with a 7 inch screen that isn't much bigger than the larger smart phones. So the lines are going to get blurred very easily.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 26):
Haven't tried the TV offering on WN but the channel selection was very limited (noted 20 channels coming later this year...maybe Discovery/History etc??) and if it is as slow as the wi-fi can be then I'd be a bit peeved at paying for a screen that probably freezes every 10 seconds.

I believe the TV offering and WiFi are running through different channels to keep bandwidth from being taken from the other.

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 27):
I always thought that as well - then I read this;

Well how about that. Thanks for clearing that up.  


User currently offlinealggag From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 8):
I would almost say they went the smart way around with this. They get to save on the weight by not having PTVs in every seat and there is a growing number of pax that are bringing their own devices anyway.

How much drag does the satellite bubble add? Is it small enough to still come out ahead of the weight added by PTV?


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20):
Removing PTVs would alienate many loyal DL FFs,

Hardly. PTV's on DL domestically are extremely hit and miss. Much of DL's domestic fleet does not have them and never will. If you're loyal to DL because of PTV's, you are bound to be routinely disappointed on a lot of your flights.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14):
DL is not stupid; there is still a market for PTVs according to them.

But even DL stopped putting PTV's on most of their domestic aircraft that are similar in size to WN's 73G/738, so comparably they're not as different as you make them out to be.

Yes, DL will put them on their 753/739, but these aircraft will be flying a lot of 3-6 hour sectors. For WN, most flights are under 3 hours and PTV's are less of a marketing tool on short flights. Even DL recognizes this, hence much of DL's short haul planes will never see PTV's.


User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 933 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

This is the way to go, adding a PTV at every seat adds a lot of weight to an aircraft adding satellite based wifi with a debated pipeline for live TV is the answer because customers with wifi enabled devises can still get their work done while others can watch live TV or a movie.

I know a.netters love the idea of a PTV at every seat but when more and more customers are bringing computers and/or tablets onboard aircraft airlines need to find a way to reduce weight onboard their narrow body domestic fleet. Although UA is still adding PTV's/Direct TV to their entire 737 fleet they have decided not to install PTV's on the A320/19 fleet instead going the route SWA has gone and install satellite based wifi onboard as a way to save weight and fuel..

I have not flown on a UA wifi enabled A320/19 so I don't know if they have the live TV option turn on but if it is not I'm sure UA will enable that option soon.


User currently offlineDerik737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 333 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
How much drag does the satellite bubble add? Is it small enough to still come out ahead of the weight added by PTV?

It's definitely not insignificant. I've been told that it negates the winglets. I'd love to see the actual performance numbers myself.


User currently offlinejr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):
The wi-fi is UNGODLY slow. Just FYI. This isn't a complaint, but a comparison to the other products that are available in the market.

I have never flown WN, but I have tried the gogo internet multiple times on DL and AS and it was too slow for it to be worthwhile. It is something I would buy for an emergency if I absolutely had to get on the internet, but I wouldn't buy this service as a routine.

Also, the other big thing for me is an ability to charge my devices. If you want me to buy your internet or services on board give me an outlet to charge my laptop or portable device so your wifi service is not putting my device out to dry.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Quoting jr (Reply 33):
Also, the other big thing for me is an ability to charge my devices. If you want me to buy your internet or services on board give me an outlet to charge my laptop or portable device so your wifi service is not putting my device out to dry.

I think it depends on the device you are using when it comes to power usage. It also comes down to people using their device appropriately to maximize battery life. Here is a good review of tablets and their battery life:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7.../cnet-tablet-battery-life-results/

Nearly every tablet was lasting over 5 hours while running a movie nonstop with brightness set to 150 cd/M^2. In that situation you could make nearly every domestic nonstop flight, at least in the WN network, without needing to charge. Now if you forget to charge it up at the airport or at home, that's your fault.

Here is another study showing the top 10 best tablets with battery life while set to 40% brightness and connected to Wi-Fi (to do websurfing) nonstop. Some of the tests there put tablets like the iPad 2 at over 12 hours of life. Even if that is inflated, still long enough to go on an entire domestic flight...even trip if you don't bother to recharge at a stop over.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 34):
Even if that is inflated, still long enough to go on an entire domestic flight...even trip if you don't bother to recharge at a stop over.

One thing WN has done a really good job of in the past couple of years is bringing power to its gate areas. There are only a few airports--mostly small stations like JAN--where WN has not installed seats and counters with outlets and most or all of its gates.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
It isn't; when given the choice, in my experience flying DL on PTV-equipped aircraft, I always see more passengers using the PTVs than their own personal devices. It's all about convenience.

Weight is a reason PTV's and especially AVOD are a thing of the past.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):
The wi-fi is UNGODLY slow. Just FYI. This isn't a complaint, but a comparison to the other products that are available in the market.

I dont know if WN's entertainment system will be ground based or they will simply have a database on the plane you can easily access.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 36):
I dont know if WN's entertainment system will be ground based or they will simply have a database on the plane you can easily access.

Barney covered that up in Reply 27. Movies are on board, TV is through a separate broadband channel.


User currently offlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):
The wi-fi is UNGODLY slow. Just FYI. This isn't a complaint, but a comparison to the other products that are available in the market.

When is the last time you used Row 44 on SWA? This was true in the past but since it was slow the provider spent something like 45 milion on upgrading the system. correct me if im wrong please?.

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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1672 posts, RR: 3
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 38):
When is the last time you used Row 44 on SWA? This was true in the past but since it was slow the provider spent something like 45 milion on upgrading the system. correct me if im wrong please?.

Last week. Took nearly a minute to load the google homepage.


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Don't forget the moving map is also available from the wifi for free.

User currently offlinejr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 34):
I think it depends on the device you are using when it comes to power usage. It also comes down to people using their device appropriately to maximize battery life. Here is a good review of tablets and their battery life:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7.../cnet-tablet-battery-life-results/

Nearly every tablet was lasting over 5 hours while running a movie nonstop with brightness set to 150 cd/M^2. In that situation you could make nearly every domestic nonstop flight, at least in the WN network, without needing to charge. Now if you forget to charge it up at the airport or at home, that's your fault.

I don't believe the comparison from that link there allows for wifi being on while running a movie or entertainment. Huge difference.

Also, its not about whether I have my laptop charged or not, it usually always is. It's about having enough charge left on it when I disembark, because more often than not, I am running to a meeting somewhere without a 100% guarantee of having power there. So yes, I need my power... I don't know if that leaves me in a minority, but I have met more than a few people that feel the same. And back to the point on speed... if the internet connection is fast enough, I may just use it.

I guess it's up to the airlines to decide on what their demographic is that uses wifi and how important it is to have a charging outlet available. I'd wager a guess and say it is a lot more significant than you'd imagine.



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User currently offlineual-fan From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2194 times:

This is so cool. I am on a flight tomorrow and I can't wait to try it out. I thought Delta was going to do something like this. Paying $15.00+ for "GoGo" with service that absolutely sucks is crazy.

Can't wait to try "Row44" and way to go WN.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting jr (Reply 41):
I don't believe the comparison from that link there allows for wifi being on while running a movie or entertainment. Huge difference.

There was another link I thought I posted that discussed battery life with wifi on all the time, that showed results that still allowed devices to be on for 6+ hours.

Quoting jr (Reply 41):
It's about having enough charge left on it when I disembark, because more often than not, I am running to a meeting somewhere without a 100% guarantee of having power there.

If you have a connecting flight then take advantage of the big leather seats with power ports available during your stop overs. They are at nearly every gate WN operates from.

Quoting jr (Reply 41):
I guess it's up to the airlines to decide on what their demographic is that uses wifi and how important it is to have a charging outlet available. I'd wager a guess and say it is a lot more significant than you'd imagine.

I think it is a measured risk either way. Do you put in power outlets and take on the added weight which may not be paid for with historically low usage when looking at all carriers...or do you leave it out and risk turning off some customers would want the power outlets? It's a catch 22 situation.


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 17
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 34):
Now if you forget to charge it up at the airport or at home, that's your fault.

Go ahead and blame the passengers. However, I believe power is key to getting someone to buy your new service. You cite articles about battery life. However, what about once someone lands. Most don't want to get off the plane and have a dead phone or iPad. If you are like most people I suspect you make a call or two after you hit the ground. By not offering power WN is hurting sales.

Of course you offer the ability to get off at each stop and recharge. Not really a great plan to have to get off a through flight, find a plug, charge for 10 minutes and then get back on for the continuation. I think most sensible humans would prefer a USB outlet at their seat and would skip your lecture on the type of device to buy.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 44):
However, I believe power is key to getting someone to buy your new service. You cite articles about battery life. However, what about once someone lands. Most don't want to get off the plane and have a dead phone or iPad. If you are like most people I suspect you make a call or two after you hit the ground. By not offering power WN is hurting sales.

Perhaps if demand is high enough and it makes financial sense, then it will be added later. Airlines' in flight wifi services through barely see a 5-10% conversion rate on average industry wide, so the return has to be there to make it worthwhile.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 44):
Of course you offer the ability to get off at each stop and recharge. Not really a great plan to have to get off a through flight, find a plug, charge for 10 minutes and then get back on for the continuation. I think most sensible humans would prefer a USB outlet at their seat and would skip your lecture on the type of device to buy.

Most devices shouldn't be getting that low anyway, even on a through flight. I would suspect the longest in the system would be around 8 hours of total travel (through flying, no connections) and that is still with in the life of most batteries by a good margin.

Sure some would prefer to have power. For me personally it would be great because the devices I have are a bit older and have crummy batteries. As tech continues to get upgraded it'll make it less needed on domestic flights. However, to each their own. Everyone will have a preference on the type of service they want and everyone can pick whomever they want to fly.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 45):
Most devices shouldn't be getting that low anyway, even on a through flight. I would suspect the longest in the system would be around 8 hours of total travel (through flying, no connections) and that is still with in the life of most batteries by a good margin.

How about laptops? I don't know many laptops that are not enormous that have that type of battery life. Many of us carry around--and work on--laptops that are several years old. I'm lucky to get three hours on mine.



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