iksu From Finland, joined Nov 2011, 5 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12966 times:
Hi,
Yesterday Finnair and Airbus had a Global Market Forecast presentation together which is now covered in news papers in Finland. One very interesting detail was the prices for Finnair's standing orders from Airbus. Finnair is to receive 5 A321 and 11 A350-900 aircrafts. Price for the order is 1200M euros and approximately 1000M euros for the wide bodies. That comes to only a bit more than 90M per A350-900. I guess the early signing for the type gave a good discount!
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11363 posts, RR: 50 Reply 3, posted (3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12370 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1): 50% discount (or even more) is normal for early adopters.
It should also not be forgotten that AY ordered the original A350 in March 2006 and subsequently converted their orders to XWBs. I wouldn't be surprised if that order conversion was at no cost to AY, so the figure could easily reflect their original A350 pricing rather than XWB prices.
atcanobbio From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11405 times:
good for AY for getting a great deal on those. It seems though that A is VERY desperate to take some of the market share away from the 777...good luck to them in their quest for that.
jonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 494 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 months 3 days ago) and read 11101 times:
The Google-translated version of the article doesn't quote any source and I haven't found anything via Google that suggests that these prices were quoted by Finnair or Airbus.
Add to that the uncertainty about whether engines are included or not + escalation clauses + whether this price applies to the A350 or to the A350XWB, and the fact that neither airlines nor Airbus divulge pricing information, I give little credit to the exactitude of any figure. Only thing that is certain is that airlines pay far less than the catalogue price.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4795 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9291 times:
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 9): I hope that this puts to rest the widely conceived notion that Boeing was "raped" by FR on price as it is common for B and A to give large discounts
The problem with FR and Boeing is not the price but the fact that FR sold the used frames for more than they paid, while Boeing lost customers who bought those.
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KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 52 Reply 16, posted (3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7082 times:
AY was a launch customer, if not THE launch customer for the original A-350 Mk.I, back in March 2006.
Dispite being the launch customer, AY is not taking the first A-359s produced. Their deliveries begin and MSN-030. QR gets the first airplanes produced.
sailas From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2007, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6754 times:
will AY still keep the a340 and a330s? What new routes will be opened with the a350 or just added capacity on some routes? Im amazed at how big AYs widebody fleet is becoming. I guess SAS can feel the heat...
Airlines been on: AY, LX, SR, OS, SK, KF, EZY, FR, BA, LH, AF, TG, DC, FC, TK
petteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6669 times:
Well, if they received launch customer pricing and now they are receiving later versions of the aircraft, they're getting the best of both worlds! Paying the low entry cost and getting the advantage of the improvements that will come come the experience of the first batch aircraft. Not too shabby!
The above comments are my personal comments and in no way should be viewed as the views,policy or statements of JetBlue
For my part, Airbus doesnt look too desperate for markeshare.
Anyway, real deal purchase prices are good kept secrets. You wont find the real paid prices in the news and of you do get a quote you can be sure there is a lot more behind the quote than known or written.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26723 posts, RR: 83 Reply 22, posted (3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6135 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16): AY was a launch customer, if not THE launch customer for the original A-350 Mk.I, back in March 2006.
I think QR was the launch customer, which is why they get first deliveries of the A350XWB even though SQ was the first customer to sign for the A350XWB.
For my part, Airbus doesnt look too desperate for markeshare.
Anyway, real deal purchase prices are good kept secrets. You wont find the real paid prices in the news and of you do get a quote you can be sure there is a lot more behind the quote than known or written.
teme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3546 times:
Quoting sailas (Reply 19): will AY still keep the a340 and a330s?
I think that the oldest A343's will leave the fleet as soon as the A359 is available. They are tech every now and then. So sooner AY to get rid of them sooner the better.
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25 vhtje: Super, thanks. Can't wait to fly in them!
26 atcanobbio: i'm not trying to start an A vs B war and in no way i prefer B over A or viceversa. But you have to look at what the A350 is planned to go against...
27 nicoeddf: Yeah, especially the 787 seems to be a serious threat at the moment... Okay, jokes aside - I don't see any reason why the 330/350 combo won't do real
28 atcanobbio: hahaha ...yeah i agree, the 787 is a mess at the moment, but once the kinks are all taken care of, it's going to be a customer pleaser. the A350-900/
29 okAY: Wasn't A340 offered quite long before 777? When it was still required to have 4 engines for ocean crossings? I have heard the same that triple-7 kill
30 atcanobbio: i guess saying A340 and 777 is kind of vague. I'm pretty much focusing on the A346 and the the 77W...they both were delivered within 2 years of each
31 olle: While it was competing against 787 pricing at the time I remember that the 787 price level was close 60% in the beginning compared to today. Probebly
32 okAY: If you are talking about AY, I think they would have stick with A even with a higher price tag. The benefits they get from having an all airbus fleet
33 anfromme: Reliability was quite an issue as far as I read - they did reach impressive dispatch reliability figures, but at the cost of an effort from Boeing th
34 teme82: If I'm not mistaken the fleet commonality helps pilots to move from A320 to A330/340 and vice versa. So the cost in training for A350 should be lower
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