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Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah  
User currently offlineSavannahMark From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 45 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20914 times:

SAVANNAH, GA (WTOC) - According to Savannah/Hilton Head International Airport officials, Delta Flight 2307, a DC-9 inbound from Atlanta, went off the runway after landing in Savannah at approximately 6:49 p.m. Tuesday.

http://www.wtoc.com/story/21255091/d...f-runway-after-landing-in-savannah

Hope this isn't a repost. Checked with negative results.



[Edited 2013-02-20 05:24:11]

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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20861 times:
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Well it could have been a lot worse. I feel do for the passengers though, as an hour is a long time to be sitting on a plane that isn't moving.


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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20673 times:

Jesus I love all these expert eyewitness passengers lol...people were bracing themselves on the seat in front of them. Pilot was coming in too high and too fast..I knew something was wrong..smh. Anything for their 15seconds of fame.

User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20518 times:

Quoting SavannahMark (Thread starter):
SAVANNAH, GA (WTOC) - According to Savannah/Hilton Head International Airport officials, Delta Flight 2307, a DC-9 inbound from Atlanta, went off the runway after landing in Savannah at approximately 6:49 p.m. Tuesday.

http://www.wtoc.com/story/21255091/d...f-runway-after-landing-in-savannah

Hope this isn't a repost. Checked with negative results.

Hrm I've flown this flight many times. And others into SAV. It isn't the longest runway, but never a problem.

Quoting toobz (Reply 2):
Jesus I love all these expert eyewitness passengers lol...people were bracing themselves on the seat in front of them. Pilot was coming in too high and too fast..I knew something was wrong..smh. Anything for their 15seconds of fame.

Well what do you expect them to say? It was so much fun?


I'd be more interested to hear about this fast and high aspect. And where did they actually run off? The end of the runway? The edge of the taxiway after they turned off the runway? Ran off the taxiway after the pilot tried to turn the aircraft off the runway at speed???



oh boy!!!
User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20413 times:

No I don't expect it to have been fun lol! Never said that. I understood it to mean that when they were turning onto the taxiway the nose wheel hit grass. According to DL.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 20376 times:

I like the "women and children first".....to board buses to the terminal, like it was a sinking ship and not enough lifeboats.

User currently offlinen126dl From United States of America, joined May 2010, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 20235 times:
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Quoting toobz (Reply 4):
I'd be more interested to hear about this fast and high aspect. And where did they actually run off? The end of the runway? The edge of the taxiway after they turned off the runway? Ran off the taxiway after the pilot tried to turn the aircraft off the runway at speed???

Is it Taxiway A at the intersection of Rwy10? That's usually the preferred landing direction.

Quoting toobz (Reply 2):
Jesus I love all these expert eyewitness passengers lol...people were bracing themselves on the seat in front of them. Pilot was coming in too high and too fast..I knew something was wrong..smh. Anything for their 15seconds of fame

Everyone's an armchair expert! They'd be up in arms if they knew they were flying on a 35-40 year old aircraft on top of the "too fast too high" landing  



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 20142 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 3):
I'd be more interested to hear about this fast and high aspect.

Eyewitnesses are notoriously bad at "eyewitnessing." It's like people who say the plane was "on fire" before it crashed.

For all we know, it could have been a normal landing with some blown tires and a loss of directional control. We just have way too little data to narrow the speculation.



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User currently offlinetp1040 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 20138 times:

The "to high and fast" comment from the eye witless made me laugh.

User currently offlineclemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 20081 times:

Quoting n126dl (Reply 6):
Everyone's an armchair expert! They'd be up in arms if they knew they were flying on a 35-40 year old aircraft on top of the "too fast too high" landing  

At least the article got the plane type right. Cudos to the reporter.

Anyone know which plane this is? Surely by now some Delta folks have a pretty good idea of what happened.


User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 20066 times:

time to retire these piece of crap airplanes. I fly them often on MLB-ATL

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19999 times:

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 8):
The "to high and fast" comment from the eye witless made me laugh.

Agreed. I'm curious as to what qualifications he has to make that assessment. Probably nothing more than being a Diamond elite.



PHX based
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19854 times:

I'm more annoyed with A.net nerds than passengers on an airplane which had an accident. Let's lambast a passenger on the plane before we even know the truth of the incident, then complain that said passengers are inaccurate in their statements to the media. Hypocrisy is indefensible.


oh boy!!!
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19744 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 3):
Well what do you expect them to say? It was so much fun?

I would be nice if just once they wouldn't play arm chair pilot.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):

ah yes, those of us who work in/on/around the aircraft should shut up but those that fly once a year.....Good lord let them speak! GMAFB  



yep.
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19696 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 13):
ah yes, those of us who work in/on/around the aircraft should shut up but those that fly once a year.....Good lord let them speak! GMAFB

Now, now, I fly more than once a year! Surely I am allowed to speak! LOL



oh boy!!!
User currently offlinen126dl From United States of America, joined May 2010, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19660 times:
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Quoting tonytifao (Reply 10):
Anyone know which plane this is? Surely by now some Delta folks have a pretty good idea of what happened.

Also, does anyone know if DC9-51s are equipped with an AP that allows for autoland? It was foggy last night across the river in HHH and it looked a bit foggy in the images from the news. Maybe that's where the "fast and high" comment came from?



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User currently offlinemichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19600 times:

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 10):
time to retire these piece of crap airplanes. I fly them often on MLB-ATL

Hardly. With the 90's refurbs, the 9's are every bit as nice as the MD-88's. Much, much more preferable to the CRJ-200's that replaced them on many routes up here in the north. Fortunately, many of the CRJ-200's are being retired soon. CRJ-200's are the piece of crap planes that you should be complaining about. The DC9's are much nicer, better built, and more reliable than those aircraft in my experience.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19556 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 14):
Now, now, I fly more than once a year! Surely I am allowed to speak! LOL

Even if you fly 5 times a week, that doesn't mean you know anything about how aircraft work, what happens, what didn't happen etc. I don't expect them to come off happy and cheerful but the "oh something was wrong, we came in to fast" crap gets old. Were you in the cockpit? have you been trained on what the DC-9 landing speeds are? Did your seat have an airspeed indicator in the arm rest? Almost always the answer is "uh...no"



yep.
User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19400 times:

Quoting michman (Reply 16):
Hardly. With the 90's refurbs, the 9's are every bit as nice as the MD-88's. Much, much more preferable to the CRJ-200's that replaced them on many routes up here in the north. Fortunately, many of the CRJ-200's are being retired soon. CRJ-200's are the piece of crap planes that you should be complaining about. The DC9's are much nicer, better built, and more reliable than those aircraft in my experience.

lately I'm taking MLB-ATL on DC9, then ATL-LEX on CRJ200   Please help me. Get me a 777 from MLB to LEX, that would make life perfect LOL. I agree, CRJ200s are crap as well.


User currently offlineUA735WL From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19402 times:

Glad to hear that everyone is okay. Kinda sad about the plane though. If there is any damage at all, it will probably be a W/O, since the 9s are already scheduled for retirement.   


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19108 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):
I'm more annoyed with A.net nerds than passengers on an airplane which had an accident. Let's lambast a passenger on the plane before we even know the truth of the incident, then complain that said passengers are inaccurate in their statements to the media. Hypocrisy is indefensible.

It's hardly hypocrisy to point out that someone who offered up their opinion most likely had no idea what he was talking about. How someone sitting in the back of the bus who had no idea what the airspeed was on approach, likely didn't have an idea of how high they were other than looking out the window, had no idea where the aircraft was in relation to the glideslope, and who had no idea what altitude and airspeed the aircraft should have been at was able to tell that they were "too high and too fast" is beyond me.



PHX based
User currently offlineexFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18822 times:

Quoting n126dl (Reply 15):
Also, does anyone know if DC9-51s are equipped with an AP that allows for autoland? It was foggy last night across the river in HHH and it looked a bit foggy in the images from the news. Maybe that's where the "fast and high" comment came from?

Pretty sure they don't have autoland. (unless it was installed after I left)

Not that I would ever defend a pax, but if the runway had a displaced threshold for some reason, it would appear (from his/her perspective, seeing a lot of r/w going by the window) that the approach was high.



Is just me, or is flying not as much fun anymore?
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18577 times:

Based on the pictures you can determine the following:
The aircraft landed to the north and landed on runway 1. The aircraft appears to have started to turn and ran off taxiway A2, not off the end of runway 1. Tire skid marks are visible in one of the photos. A 3 sets of gear departed the taxiway.

Runway 1 is the shorter of the 2 runways, at 7000 ft.

Quoting n126dl (Reply 15):
Also, does anyone know if DC9-51s are equipped with an AP that allows for autoland? It was foggy last night across the river in HHH and it looked a bit foggy in the images from the news. Maybe that's where the "fast and high" comment came from?

A passenger would not be able to determine fast and high. Plus, DC-9s by nature happen to have a lot of power adjustments during final approach and landing where its more noticable with the whine of the JT8Ds versus newer higher bypass engines.

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 20):
Glad to hear that everyone is okay. Kinda sad about the plane though. If there is any damage at all, it will probably be a W/O, since the 9s are already scheduled for retirement.

The aircraft is ferrying back to ATL within the hour.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17516 times:

PSU.DTW.SCE, do you happen to know the registration number of the aircraft in question? Thanks in advance.

User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17447 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
The aircraft is ferrying back to ATL within the hour.

I guess no early retirement for this bird.


25 PSU.DTW.SCE : N770NC, currently being ferried back to ATL.
26 DeltaMD90 : And was it the DC-9's fault it went off the runway? Was it pilot error? Other? Please enlighten us, why would this not have happened if it was a 738?
27 HPRamper : Maybe a decision to clear the area of the ones most susceptible to burst into hysterics...
28 B737900 : I think that is probably a very valid (and perhaps true) observation. Let's give pax some credit here. Anyone who has flown a lot will know if someth
29 toobz : Pax dont have altimeters, DME, ILS NAV instruments, speed indicators or any indication how a dc-9 is supposed to handle on different approaches. That
30 HPRamper : To be fair to journalists, the only sources they have are the passengers because flight crew and all airline employees are barred per policy from com
31 B737900 : And your source for this comment is.........? I'll say it again: people who fly a lot will know if something is amiss. I, and I suspect quite a few p
32 tp1040 : fast and high? They landed at night in light fog. The passengers don't have a clue. As a passenger, I can usually tell when float a little over the TD
33 PSU.DTW.SCE : Kind of like Antoine Dodson...aka Bed Intruder.
34 steex : You're not going to get a lot of acceptance for this here. At best, from the back of the plane, all you can tell is ground speed and approximate elev
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : N770NC is back in ATL and scheduled to fly ATL-SAV again this evening as DL1484
36 FlyASAGuy2005 : Funny thing is, the person sounds like he'd have an A.NET membership... Hid your kids PSU! LOL
37 winstonlegthigh : There will be a time (right now, yesterday, last year) when we miss those journalists who at the very least made the effort to speak to anyone direct
38 TVNWZ : Yep. Just like this website. A lot of speculation and know-it-all attitudes even worse than the passangers. At least the passengers were on the plane
39 Post contains images brilondon : REALLY?! I love those aircraft. They are so quick to turn around and get off the ground once they have landed. They seem alright to me.
40 Post contains images md80fanatic : If they were pieces of crap, they'd have retired them 35 years ago.
41 flyerboy1990 : That explains the landings I had in the 88s! I wondered why the engines spooled up to almost takeoff settings when we were just feet from the ground!
42 Post contains images mesaflyguy : That clears up why I got a bit flustered when we were landing in RSW a few weeks ago. It felt and looked like we were going a bit fast, but it wasn't
43 B757forever : Good question. More occurances or wider spread news coverage perhaps?
44 twincessna340a : Awesome to see fellow HXD-ers on the fourms! I feel your pain flying to LEX, although the 200's (which I despise) are a lot better than the Jetsream
45 FlyASAGuy2005 : Exactly.
46 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Could be. Under identical conditions, I don't think a similar incident would occur once the 717s are delivered. Built to last.
47 Post contains images Deltal1011man : So then you know what speeds any aircraft can land in, in any condition? Congrats on that. I don't think I have ever found a pilot that knows that ki
48 PSU.DTW.SCE : Actually, N770NC is still out of service. I was just going off flightaware for the ship tracking. I believe N770NC was the last DC-9-50 to go through
49 DTWPurserBoy : It always amazes me that these armchair aviation "experts" always seem to have CNN on speed dial.
50 mesaflyguy : Just lettin' ya know that, according to flightaware, the aircraft is now back in service. It is enroute ATL-GPT right now as DL1760. Figured I'd brin
51 airportugal310 : Sometimes you just "know". Is it that far fetched to believe? You act as though you are the only one who has every flown/worked on an airplane?
52 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : I shall say again: Definitively, build to last.
53 bhmdiversion : If anyone is in DLTerm, type in JEG#### and will give you the aircraft routing schedule. You have to be in OSS for this code to work.
54 exFWAOONW : I'm surprised they even ferried to a base. I can just imagine the call to the head of Maintenence, "Oh, it was a DC9? Just yank it back on the paveme
55 B737900 : It's not just you.
56 Coronado : Take a look at the new thread of the United 737-700 sliding off the ''runway'' (taxiway) in Cleveland. I guess the DC9's critics now need to think of
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