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LH/AC/UA Cleared For ATI By EU  
User currently onlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1082 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Anyone know more regarding the proposal and divesting slots in JFK?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...itedairlines-idUSBRE91J0YF20130220

The three airlines last year proposed giving up landing and take-off slots at Frankfurt and New York's airports following a three-year investigation by the European Commission into their revenue-sharing, pricing and capacity pacts.

The EU antitrust authority sought feedback from rivals and third parties in December last year.

"The Commission is likely to accept the airlines' proposal with some fine tuning," said the person who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter.


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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

I am curious what is the difference between this and A++? Also what about LX, OZ, and SN since their parent is LH?


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11121 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Thread starter):
Anyone know more regarding the proposal and divesting slots in JFK?

Based on the article, it appears regulators are set to accept the airlines' proposed competition remedies, which included the slots.

Depending on what conditions are placed on the airlines interested in utilizing those slots, I would not be surprised to see AA seek a slot pair at JFK and FRA to operate a flight (likely a daily 757). JFK-FRA is a prime business route, a key NYC international market AA doesn't serve, and this would be a nice opportunity to deprive a competitor of a prime-time slot at JFK.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 1):
I am curious what is the difference between this and A++? Also what about LX, OZ, and SN since their parent is LH?

This is A++ and I believe when they say Lufthansa they are referring to the LH Group....



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 2):
JFK-FRA is a prime business route, a key NYC international market AA doesn't serve, and this would be a nice opportunity to deprive a competitor of a prime-time slot at JFK.

AA could start JFK-FRA today if they wanted to. The fact that they fly from DFW instead of JFK tells me that they wouldn't be able to compete on the JFK-FRA route anyway. It's a similar situation to UA dropping JFK-LHR. Just because it's a lucrative route for one airline it doesn't mean it works for everyone. In addition, after the merger they will have more FRA slots than they need given that without LH feed at FRA, they'll probably drop some FRA routes.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11121 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
AA could start JFK-FRA today if they wanted to.

True, although why not do it with a competitor's slots?

Again - it will all depend on how the regulatory ruling is structured. If it precludes airlines from applying that already hold slots at similar times, then AA would obviously not be permitted. But if not, AA could apply and take these slots - thus adding to their slot holding at JFK rather than just exchanging one slot for another.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
The fact that they fly from DFW instead of JFK tells me that they wouldn't be able to compete on the JFK-FRA route anyway.

Perhaps, although I still think a daily 757 could work for AA.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
Just because it's a lucrative route for one airline it doesn't mean it works for everyone.

Thus why I never said that it would work for AA on the basis that it works for other airlines. I claimed that it would work for AA on the basis of the large, premium-heavy local market.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
In addition, after the merger they will have more FRA slots than they need given that without LH feed at FRA, they'll probably drop some FRA routes.

I doubt it. I suspect AA will continue to fly to FRA from - at least - DFW, CLT and PHL. I just expect that - absent as much LH feed/connectivity - CLT and PHL will both go to just a daily flight, probably with a PMAA 763 rather than the larger PMUS 330s. In addition, I think AA could also make a 757 work JFK-FRA.


User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
This is A++ and I believe when they say Lufthansa they are referring to the LH Group....

So does that mean SN is part of it? I have a few friends there who have told me that rumors are rampant about a BRU-SFO and/or BRU-ORD flight(s) on SN.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

A++ is basically an alliance within an alliance.

p.s. - yes SN is part of the A++. Their inclusion was approved back in 2011 which allowed SN to announce its JFK service immediately.

[Edited 2013-02-21 09:35:10]


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