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UA Launches EWR-ANC  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11533 times:

As noted in the OAG thread UA will be launching twice weekly 757 (sUA) nonstop service from EWR to ANC. CO has flown EWR-ANC in the past.

I'm going to go out on a ledge and say UA serves more US States from the NYC area than any other airline. They fly to Hawaii and now Alaska nonstop from EWR.


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User currently offlineusctrojan18 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11450 times:

UA doesnt serve Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, New Mexico, Mississippi, Delware, or West Virgina from EWR. Surprised about WV but UA still flies to 43 states from EWR. Not bad.

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11379 times:
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Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 1):
Delaware

to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.



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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11341 times:

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
I'm going to go out on a ledge and say UA serves more US States from the NYC area than any other airline. They fly to Hawaii and now Alaska nonstop from EWR.

This is state #38 for United out of the NYC metro area. Next closest is Delta, which isn't far behind at 33. (I'm excluding PR/VI/DC). Delta has Alabama (BHM) and Utah (SLC), United has Connecticut (BDL), Montana (BZN), Hawaii (HNL), Wyoming (JAC), Oklahoma (OKC/TUL), Rhode Island (PVD) and now Alaska (ANC).

That being said, United has 81 domestic (US+DC) destinations out of the NYC area, while Delta is right on their heels at 75 (US+DC).


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11286 times:

Interesting, I should try it out sometime...

When did CO fly the route, and with which aircraft?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11249 times:

EWR-ANC is 3370 miles per great circle mapper. Wonder how the route will perform. If it does perform well, i'd expect it to go to 5x weekly or daily.

KH



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User currently offlineMIflyer12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11234 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):
When did CO fly the route, and with which aircraft?

It may have been operating daily (if seasonally) in ~2002, with a 757-200.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11165 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 1):
Delaware

to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.

That didn't last long. It was during the brief period when UA wanted to be able to promote that they served all 50 states (whether it made economic sense or not). They added new service to one point in half a dozen states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire etc., along with ILG.


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 3):
That being said, United has 81 domestic (US+DC) destinations out of the NYC area, while Delta is right on their heels at 75 (US+DC).

Funny, I just tallied this for AA today to pass the time on a fligh this afternoon. I came up with 50 nonstop destinations from the NYC airports for AA/AA* and I think US wil add two more. While 52 is solidy behind UA and DL, I'm a tad surprised that gap is not larger. If the B6 tie continues, that probably puts them in a pretty competitive position with the other two.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10800 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):

That was 1985. They had a contest also and people cheated.


User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10660 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
That didn't last long. It was during the brief period when UA wanted to be able to promote that they served all 50 states (whether it made economic sense or not). They added new service to one point in half a dozen states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire etc., along with ILG.

Delta also did the all 50 states thing in the past 5 years as well.



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User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10431 times:

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 1):
New Mexico

Continental flew EWR-ABQ in the past, so it could come back, though it would be overflying ORD, IAH, and DEN (sorry CLE).


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2169 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9534 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
It was during the brief period when UA wanted to be able to promote that they served all 50 states (whether it made economic sense or not). They added new service to one point in half a dozen states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire etc., along with ILG.

UA has long served markets in Vermont (BTV), Wyoming (Laramie, Cheyenne, Jackson, etc...), and probably ND as well (though not all from NYC). The whole fuss really was about Delaware. But by serving 50 states, I do not think they ever meant all 50 states from NYC.



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User currently offlineusctrojan18 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9499 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.

Just wondering, will Delaware get airline service anytime soon or will it just be known as the state that can't fly (commercially)


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 13):
Just wondering, will Delaware get airline service anytime soon or will it just be known as the state that can't fly (commercially)


.... probably not. As mentioned earlier DL tried service to ATL a few years ago it was not a commercial success. The issue is that ILG is too close to PHL...it's less than a 30 minute drive.

[Edited 2013-02-20 22:21:55]


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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9451 times:
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Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 13):

Well the only 2 airlines I think might try ILG at some point is Frontier and the new PeoplExpress (if they ever get off the ground). Frontier not as likely as it would be likely not to happen without TTN going south.



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User currently offlineusctrojan18 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9420 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 15):
Well the only 2 airlines I think might try ILG at some point is Frontier and the new PeoplExpress (if they ever get off the ground). Frontier not as likely as it would be likely not to happen without TTN going south.

Any chance of Allegiant? They seem to find small airports and make revenue off them. But you're probably right, I think people would prefer PHL or Amtrak along the NEC.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9407 times:

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 13):
Just wondering, will Delaware get airline service anytime soon or will it just be known as the state that can't fly (commercially)

Probably not I'd guess - Wilmington is under 30 miles to PHL and under 70 to BWI, while the southern part of the state could either go to someplace like SBY in MD. So yeah just not a very good location to get dedicated air service based on proximity to major airports in the north and a small but viable one (SBY) in the south.


User currently onlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4076 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9240 times:

I've forgotten what year we flew it but it was a long time ago CO flew EWR-ANC non stop.


I did it a few times and it was an interesting flight, trivia for you it had to be flown under ETOPS rules due to the remote region and lack of diversionary airports under a lot of the flight path.


ETOPS is not just for over water !

[Edited 2013-02-20 23:00:25]


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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

Well it will be nice to have 2 extra flights...Not a big gain in my opinion.

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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

It won't last long if the yields aren't good. That's a long domestic route. I'm sure cargo would do well on it.

User currently offlineYukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8424 times:
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Quoting atct (Reply 19):
Well it will be nice to have 2 extra flights...Not a big gain in my opinion
Quoting toobz (Reply 20):
I'm sure cargo would do well on it.

Fully agree with my ATC colleague, it's nice to have but it don't amount to much.

And I don't see much hope that this will be a banner route for cargo either, especially 2 days per week.
The best yield on the belly cargo will be live animals (if UA permits), the QuickPak express product and US mail, if selected. All of which would probably amount to very little weight, which is actually good because laden with fuel for the longhaul, payload will be limited. Even if 10 to 15K pounds of payload remains available (extremely optimistic), the revenue generated on standard freight is but a fraction of the high-yield cargo products already mentioned.


Yukon



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Well, it may not be much, but as a loyal CO flyer in ANC, I'll take what I can get.
This would make travel to Europe SO MUCH EASIER. One stop!?!? Yes, please! Beats the pants off of ANC-SEA-IAH-LHR or ANC-DEN-EWR-CDG.

I hope this route makes tons of cash, because I want it to stick around!

Do we think this has better chances than US's ANC-PHL failure???


User currently offlineYukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8164 times:
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Hey Astrojet,

I'd love to see this one stick around, I really would. In fact, I would go so far as to try to make the case that the Widget should do much the same thing with a flight to/from JFK! But having said that, and not even searching for the schedule for this "new" UA flight, I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that the departure time from ANC will not mesh well with the evening departures from EWR to Europe and the World. I suspect an evening depart from ANC and early A.M. arrival at EWR.

No matter what the hour, I would think that UA via EWR will be stronger than US via PHL, no matter what.

And by the way...

CO appreciates your loyalty!



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8026 times:

Quoting Yukon880 (Reply 23):
I suspect an evening depart from ANC and early A.M. arrival at EWR.

Yup, departs ANC at 9:00Pm and arrives at EWR 7:55Am. It allows a connection to the Morning LHR flight, but I think this route is catering to O&D traffic between the NYC area and ANC. The EWR departure is 4:25Pm arriving ANC at 8:03Pm.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 3):
Montana (BZN
Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 1):
UA doesnt serve Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, New Mexico, Mississippi, Delware, or West Virgina from EWR.

They have a codeshare, with Amtrak, from EWR to Wilmington Delaware.

http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/Mark...tComm/Promotions/Pages/Amtrak.aspx



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7719 times:
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Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
.... probably not. As mentioned earlier DL tried service to ATL a few years ago it was not a commercial success. The issue is that ILG is too close to PHL...it's less than a 30 minute drive.

Probably less than that. I rented an Avis car a couple weeks ago after missing a connection to DCA at PHL. I was through both Pennsylvania and Delaware and at the toll booths on the Maryland border within 55 minutes of leaving the PHL rent-a-car facility.

That's the point of the new planned F9 service from TTN -- north of PHL. From Trenton you'd have to drive though the gridlocked city to get to PHL which takes time. From Wilmington you don't.


User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7620 times:

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 11):

No need to be sorry about CLE. CO flew CLE-ABQ in the past as well.


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):

EWR-ANC is 3370 miles per great circle mapper. Wonder how the route will perform. If it does perform well, i'd expect it to go to 5x weekly or daily.

KH

I am sure it is seasonal for the cruise industry.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7394 times:
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Quoting luv2fly (Reply 27):
I am sure it is seasonal for the cruise industry.

Most definitely for tourism -- Alaska is beautiful in the summer. But ships don't actually dock in Anchorage.

Most Alaska cruises originate in Vancouver. A few dock in Seward, 80 miles south of Anchorage.


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7335 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 28):
Most definitely for tourism -- Alaska is beautiful in the summer. But ships don't actually dock in Anchorage.

Most Alaska cruises originate in Vancouver. A few dock in Seward, 80 miles south of Anchorage.

Princess and Holland American do one ways through Alaska that either end or begin in Seaward. Having worked for the cruise industry it is true a few originate from both Vancouver and Seattle, Seaward is a major port as well.



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6758 times:
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Maybe UA is testing the waters again. Get a legup on the competition.

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6144 times:

Interesting how a sUA 757 will operate the route. I'm sure many will complain about how it's not on an ex-co 757

Also to note, based on the DL SEA-LAS/ANC thread it looks like UA SEA-ANC will be upgraded to a 757 as well.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):
UA SEA-ANC will be upgraded to a 757 as well.

One of the two flights will be a 752...looking at a Monday in June.

ANC to

SEA 752
SEA 739
SFO 738
SFO 738
DEN 738
IAH 753
ORD 739
ORD 738

Add in EWR and UA will have up to 9 flights a day from ANC to the lower 48.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

If it works out for UA, I bet AS would be interested in the future.

User currently offlineEWRkid1990 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 4):
When did CO fly the route, and with which aircraft?

While waiting for an EWR-SEA flight in July of 2002, the next gate over was boarding a 757-200 to ANC.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):
Also to note, based on the DL SEA-LAS/ANC thread it looks like UA SEA-ANC will be upgraded to a 757 as well.

SEA-ANC is one 739 and one 757 for UA.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):
Interesting how a sUA 757 will operate the route.

It's probably going to be one of their sUA ETOPs 757s.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):
I'm sure many will complain about how it's not on an ex-co 757

Well sure, AVOD, lie flat BusinessFirst seats etc..



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

Wow ANC is loosing its stepchild persona as of lately. Its been a favorite go to airport as of lately for just about all of the fliers. Albeit be it seasonal.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):

Interesting how a sUA 757 will operate the route. I'm sure many will complain about how it's not on an ex-co 757

What? Oh crap, I'm out. A seven-hour overnight flight on a CO 752 is fine- I've done ANC-IAH many times on such equipment and been perfectly happy. On a UA 752? Ugh. While there would be better chances for an upgrade (due to the greater number of F seats), that upgrade is a lower value upgrade than ANC-IAH on a CO752. Though, admittedly, ANC-IAH the past couple of summers have been flown by 753's, so no lie-flats or AVOD there, either.

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 29):
Princess and Holland American do one ways through Alaska that either end or begin in Seaward. Having worked for the cruise industry it is true a few originate from both Vancouver and Seattle, Seaward is a major port as well.

That's SEWARD, no "a".

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 28):
A few dock in Seward, 80 miles south of Anchorage.

Yes, but those people are bussed to/from Anchorage (or take the fantastic train ride), where they fly out.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 35):
Well sure, AVOD, lie flat BusinessFirst seats etc..

Bingo.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.

The irony is that most mainline USA airlines are Delaware corporations.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.

That's either the best or worst kept secret as trivia questions go. Radio stations love to use it. I remember hearing it in Florida, Hawaii and in Alaska. A correct answer got the winner a free dinner.

It went something like What is the only U.S. state which is not served by regularly schedule commercial air service.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 37):

Bingo.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 35):

Well sure, AVOD, lie flat BusinessFirst seats etc..

It's a tourist destination -- a seasonal one at that. What do you expect? Be glad it's not on a 739.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4946 times:
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Quoting tommy767 (Reply 40):
It's a tourist destination -- a seasonal one at that. What do you expect? Be glad it's not on a 739.

Why?

I've done ANC-SEA on AS 739A's

Why would sCO 739ER's be a problem?


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4930 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 37):
Though, admittedly, ANC-IAH the past couple of summers have been flown by 753's, so no lie-flats or AVOD there, either.

Plus the most cramped F-class seats in the air.

And several of the sCO 753's have those damned double-pronged earphone plugs


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4893 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 37):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 28): A few dock in Seward, 80 miles south of Anchorage.

Yes, but those people are bussed to/from Anchorage (or take the fantastic train ride), where they fly out.

An Alaska Railroad vista-dome seat from Seward to Anchorage is a definite plus even though it parallels the highway most of the way.


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 22):
Well, it may not be much, but as a loyal CO flyer in ANC, I'll take what I can get.
This would make travel to Europe SO MUCH EASIER. One stop!?!? Yes, please! Beats the pants off of ANC-SEA-IAH-LHR or ANC-DEN-EWR-CDG.

ANC-EWR-LHR on the early flight (UA18) is actually the only way from ANC to Europe on United without double redeyes and a long layover.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 40):
Be glad it's not on a 739.

Non-issue. 739 can't make the trip with a reasonable payload. The 757 (from either side) is the only narrowbody that can reliably do EWR-ANC with enough pax to make money. EWR-ANC with a sCO 752 requires as much aircraft time, at roughly the same time of day, as a Europe turn, but most EU routes will undoubtedly generate higher yields than EWR-ANC.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 12):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
It was during the brief period when UA wanted to be able to promote that they served all 50 states (whether it made economic sense or not). They added new service to one point in half a dozen states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire etc., along with ILG.

UA has long served markets in Vermont (BTV), Wyoming (Laramie, Cheyenne, Jackson, etc...), and probably ND as well (though not all from NYC).

Are you including UA Express and similar commuter services with UA flight numbers? I was referring to the period when they operated UA mainline service to all 50 states, meaning at least a 737 or larger.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 44):

Plus the sCO 752s are tied up on other domestic routes mainly to the other hubs but generally EWR-TPA/ORD/DEN/SFO/LAX. sUA 757s are now all over the place from EWR but primarily EWR-PBI/MIA/FLL/MCO/LAS/BOS and occasionally SAN/SEA/PDX/PHX. ANC makes sense for the sUA 757 -- unless they really were worried about loads and they could probably use a 319 or 738 on the route



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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 28):
But ships don't actually dock in Anchorage

We have three cruise ports.

Anchorage
SilverSea Cruises docks at the port of Anchorage. Smaller, luxury ships. I couldve sworn last season I saw a Holland ship there as well. I walked up to the tower and bam, there was a cruise ship at the port. Wasnt expecting it.

Whittier
About an hour from Anchorage (depending on the time of the tunnel, cool drive). Princess, and the Alaska Marine Highway (Ferry) dock here.

Seward
About 2 1/2 hours from Anchorage driving. Holland America, Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, Regent Seven Seas, and Crystal Cruises dock here.

I guess you can say Homer, about 4 1/2 hours from Anchorage also is a port but its for the AMHS (Ferry) which attracts alot of tourists in the summer as well.

I probably missed a few of the smaller lines and which port but those are the ones I can think of offhand. I can tell you, I love getting my morning coffee in the terminal right now because starting in May its nothing but people with "Royal Caribbean Cruise, this way" signs and tourists everywhere. I know this brings money and flights, but its a pain waiting in line lol.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 40):
It's a tourist destination -- a seasonal one at that. What do you expect? Be glad it's not on a 739.

It is? Tell that to the 731,449 people that live here. Or the many more who work here; thousands of people fly into and out of Anchorage on their way to oilfield jobs every week- and many of them on Continental/United. It's certainly not a bustling metropolis, no doubt. But it's far more than a tourist destination.
Further, UA flies lots of planes with good product to LAS, which is a tourist destination just as much as ANC.
And, furthermore, the 739 offers a better inflight product than UA's 757s do, so I don't see your point there.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 41):
Why?

I've done ANC-SEA on AS 739A's

Why would sCO 739ER's be a problem?

Exactly. Except for the park-bench Koito seats.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 43):
An Alaska Railroad vista-dome seat from Seward to Anchorage is a definite plus even though it parallels the highway most of the way.

I hope to take that trip someday! So far, I've always just driven to Seward... it's such a beautiful drive, assuming no one kills you on the highway.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 44):
ANC-EWR-LHR on the early flight (UA18) is actually the only way from ANC to Europe on United without double redeyes and a long layover.

Welcome to my life; traveling to Europe from Anchorage is a real pain, unless you take Condor, which I won't, because I can't earn my UA miles! So I end up with ANC-SEA-IAH-EWR-ZRH-LCY. But then, I like flying...


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 40):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 45):
Quoting atct (Reply 47):
Anchorage
SilverSea Cruises docks at the port of Anchorage. Smaller, luxury ships. I couldve sworn last season I saw a Holland ship there as well. I walked up to the tower and bam, there was a cruise ship at the port. Wasnt expecting it

Holland has a small ship, called the Prisdaam(sp) that could have been her. She does the longer round the world sailings.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

What I'd like to see is upgrade to B767 and a tag-on to GUM from ANC.


I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 50):
What I'd like to see is upgrade to B767 and a tag-on to GUM from ANC.

Wouldn't that be cool?

I wonder what the PDEW is between ANC and NRT. JAL serves the market seasonally. At less than 3000nm, ANC-NRT is comfortably within range of a 757-200.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 51):
I wonder what the PDEW is between ANC and NRT. JAL serves the market seasonally. At less than 3000nm, ANC-NRT is comfortably within range of a 757-200.

ANC most likely needs a year-around link with Asia, specially due to Alaska oil-related traffic. UA ANC-NRT could feed not only on UA NRT operation but on Star Alliance NH, OZ, CA, SQ and TH there too.
Also any low-yield NYC-NRT traffic could be sent on UA B757 EWR-ANC-NRT.



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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 51):
ANC-NRT is comfortably within range of a 757-200.

Ive always thought a tag on ORD-ANC-NRT would be awesome with a 757-200. Or just send a 757-200 on the IAH/EWR-SEA through flights and continue on to NRT. With the oil traffic (lots of slope workers live all over the world) and the asian population of Alaska, I think it would be popular.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3471 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 48):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 43):An Alaska Railroad vista-dome seat from Seward to Anchorage is a definite plus even though it parallels the highway most of the way.

I hope to take that trip someday! So far, I've always just driven to Seward... it's such a beautiful drive, assuming no one kills you on the highway.

Or picked up by a scavenging eagle.

The Kenai Peninsula has some the size of prehistoric monsters. Apparently the climate and food chain there agrees with them.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 48):

It is? Tell that to the 731,449 people that live here. Or the many more who work here; thousands of people fly into and out of Anchorage on their way to oilfield jobs every week- and many of them on Continental/United. It's certainly not a bustling metropolis, no doubt. But it's far more than a tourist destination.

With all do respect, ANC is definitely a tourist destination as most domestic carriers ramp up their ANC ops in the summertime. You don't see too many vacationers wanting to trek up to Alaska during the winter time. Flights are stabilized year round for business travelers into ANC, granted most of them are on Alaska.

Aside Alaska Air, I'm not sure which US carriers fly year round into ANC from which destinations. I know UA out of SEA is a given for year round, perhaps DL out of MSP. I'm pretty sure other gateways (and I can't even keep track because they change year by year) such as DEN, IAH, ORD, DTW, LAX, ATL, EWR, are highly seasonal.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 41):

Why would sCO 739ER's be a problem?

As said, rock hard seats and I'll add Pay per view IFE in coach.

Quoting Yukon880 (Reply 23):
CO appreciates your loyalty!

Ahem, I think you mean UNITED appreciates your loyalty??



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32191 posts, RR: 72
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 55):
Aside Alaska Air, I'm not sure which US carriers fly year round into ANC from which destinations. I know UA out of SEA is a given for year round, perhaps DL out of MSP. I'm pretty sure other gateways (and I can't even keep track because they change year by year) such as DEN, IAH, ORD, DTW, LAX, ATL, EWR, are highly seasonal.

Year-round is DL/MSP, UA/SEA, UA/DEN and US/PHX, in addition to AS/ORD, AS/PDX, AS/SEA and AS/LAX (LAX ops March-December).



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 48):
It is? Tell that to the 731,449 people that live here.

Really? Is that the latest Anchorage population or the whole state?

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 48):
traveling to Europe from Anchorage is a real pain,

For UA miles, have you tried TK from ANC-ORD/LAX-IST.... and onwards. I know it could be backtrack for Western Europe but for some other cities it might be another choice.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3176 times:
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Quoting TK787 (Reply 57):
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 48):It is? Tell that to the 731,449 people that live here.
Really? Is that the latest Anchorage population or the whole state?

The whole state, I'm afraid.

Anchorage's population is just under 300,000.

Btw, don't underestimate the importance of Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson on the north side of town which by itself has a population of 21,000.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9379 posts, RR: 52
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

ANC seems to be getting a bit more service this year than in years past.

B6 to SEA
VX to SFO
DL to SEA
UA to EWR
FI to KEF



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32191 posts, RR: 72
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 58):
Anchorage's population is just under 300,000.

Close to 400,000 in the metro.

One thing to remember though is that Alaskans have extremely high propensity to travel, which, combined with Alaska being a popular tourist destination during the summer, means Anchorage is extremely well served for a city of its size.



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User currently offlineYukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2909 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 52):
ANC most likely needs a year-around link with Asia, specially due to Alaska oil-related traffic.

Apparently not, as China Airlines was all to thrilled to trade ANC for KIX as their "tech" stop from JFK.
Thusfar none have stepped-up to fill the void.

Quoting atct (Reply 53):
With the oil traffic (lots of slope workers live all over the world) and the asian population of Alaska, I think it would be popular.

You know this already but see above!

I suppose that all this arm-chair quarterbacking is really not very well founded because otherwise, Alaska Airlines would already be flying to NRT. Oh wait...

Nevermind.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 55):
Ahem, I think you mean UNITED appreciates your loyalty??

AA737-823 (Astrojet) commented that he was "a loyal CO flyer in ANC..."
As for me, UNITED cannot appreciate that which they do not have!
 

Yukon



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 55):
With all do respect,

You mean, "due".

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 55):
ANC is definitely a tourist destination as most domestic carriers ramp up their ANC ops in the summertime.

Most domestic destinations have increased service in the summer time. This year, ANC is getting WAY more than (I feel) it can sustain, but we shall see.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 55):
granted most of them are on Alaska.

Most, yes, but far more that you seem willing to admit travel on other carriers. Delta is doing SLC year round daily, MSP 3x daily much of the year, DTW much of the year, while UA does AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN daily year round, SEA daily (and sometimes 2x daily), US has PHX daily year round..... That's a lot of capacity (much of these are on 757s) that is NOT Alaska Airlines.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 55):
Aside Alaska Air, I'm not sure which US carriers fly year round into ANC from which destinations. I know UA out of SEA is a given for year round, perhaps DL out of MSP. I'm pretty sure other gateways (and I can't even keep track because they change year by year) such as AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN, IAH, ORD, DTW, LAX, ATL, EWR, are highly seasonal.

Be careful hypothesizing with people who actually live here- we know whereof we speak.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 56):
Year-round is DL/MSP, UA/SEA, UA/AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN and US/PHX, in addition to AS/ORD, AS/PDX, AS/SEA and AS/LAX (LAX ops March-December).

Don't forget SLC on DL. And isn't DTW still year round?

Quoting TK787 (Reply 57):
Really? Is that the latest Anchorage population or the whole state?

Whole state, but Alaskans travel like no one else, and the overwhelming majority of it travels through ANC.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 57):
For UA miles, have you tried TK from ANC-ORD/LAX-IST.... and onwards. I know it could be backtrack for Western Europe but for some other cities it might be another choice.

I haven't! That might be a nice change! How's the TK product onboard? Compared to, say, UA and Swiss?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 60):
One thing to remember though is that Alaskans have extremely high propensity to travel,

Of course we do- living here is BRUTAL! We must ESCAPE!  
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 60):
which, combined with Alaska being a popular tourist destination during the summer, means Anchorage is extremely well served for a city of its size.

Well said.

Quoting Yukon880 (Reply 61):
AA737-823 (Astrojet) commented that he was "a loyal CO flyer in ANC..."
As for me, UNITED cannot appreciate that which they do not have!

I'm not sure why you keep calling me Astrojet, but you're welcome to continue.
And yes, I'm a loyal CO flyer! I just tolerate UA these days, because of my elite status. AND, UA kept CO's WONDERFUL staff here at ANC, and they always take fantastic care of me. So I keep coming back. It's just once I get to AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN and connect to a ratted out CR7, or pmUA 752 that hasn't been to the refurb shop that I remember "Oh yeah, this gig can be unpleasant."


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 62):
How's the TK product onboard?

If that means anything TK was chosen best airline in Europe by Skytrax last two years in a row.
Catering is by Do&Co and it is far better than other international service.
Here is the best part; out of LAX you get brand new 77Ws with 63 Comfort Class (TK's economy plus); I highly recommend it;
http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-tr...nment-seat-cip-lounge#ComfortClass


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 55):
With all do respect, ANC is definitely a tourist destination as most domestic carriers ramp up their ANC ops in the summertime. You don't see too many vacationers wanting to trek up to Alaska during the winter time

It all depends on what side of the teeter-totter one sits. I'll accept you have never stood in -5 degrees on 4th street in ANC on the first Saturday in March to watch the press start for the Iditarod sled dog race. (which by the way is next Saturday) And the next day drive or catch the Alaska railroad fifty miles north of ANC to watch the official start. Tens of thousands do every year. I think I saw Nanook of the north their last March.

Girdwood forty miles south of ANC has some of the worlds best snow skiing. Equivalent to anything you'd find in the lower forty and some locations in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Hollywood A-listers ski and snowboard Girdwood often to take in Alaska's beauty and escape the the paparazzi.

Yes Alaska as a whole enjoys tourism but they also enjoy fishing and oil. ANC should be considered more of hub with a world class airport than that of a tourism destination when you compare it to Aspen and alike.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 62):
And yes, I'm a loyal CO flyer!

You WERE a loyal CO flyer. I'm failing to see why they were so good up in ANC when they had all 2 flights a day to SEA and a seasonal to IAH.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 64):
Yes Alaska as a whole enjoys tourism but they also enjoy fishing and oil. ANC should be considered more of hub with a world class airport than that of a tourism destination when you compare it to Aspen and alike.

Not saying Alaska would be beautiful to visit -- I'd love to go ($1,038 r/t fares to EWR are a little ridiculous, thanks pricing control) but the amount of flights that are available in the summer compared to year round are definitely something to consider in terms of ANC being a seasonal destination.



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User currently offlineYukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2382 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 62):
I'm not sure why you keep calling me Astrojet, but you're welcome to continue.

Used only with the greatest respect, I assure you!

Yukon



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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 62):
This year, ANC is getting WAY more than (I feel) it can sustain, but we shall see.

I completely agree.



I was proudly a loyal CO customer (based at IAH for 5 years) and now I am a whore to the cheap airfare world   (be happy Yukon, Im flying Delta ANC-MSP-MCO and back in April! Awesome fares!!!)

atct
As of the end of this week former CO / UA Elite.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

UA is also launching EWR-Traverse City (seasonally),

Here's the official press release for ANC and TVC:

http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....-newsArticle&ID=1788852&highlight=



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16948 posts, RR: 48
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 65):
You WERE a loyal CO flyer. I'm failing to see why they were so good up in ANC when they had all 2 flights a day to SEA and a seasonal to IAH.

Considering UA just dropped the entire state, CO was probably pretty good by comparison. And when you take AS out of the picture, your options were all pretty similar and limted.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 65):
I'm failing to see why they were so good up in ANC when they had all 2 flights a day to SEA and a seasonal to IAH.

But you're a UA apologist, so I'll have to help you see it: onward connectivity. From IAH, CO could take you virtually anywhere in the world, either on their own metal, or via Skyteam carrier KLM, AF, etc. The transition to Star was just as good.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 65):
but the amount of flights that are available in the summer compared to year round are definitely something to consider in terms of ANC being a seasonal destination.

Yes, indeed. I've already said, though, that I don't think this market can sustain all the capacity being thrown at it. Jetblue and Virgin decide to jump in, so Delta and UA retaliate like nobody's bizniss. 9 flights a day, UA? SEA on DL? Sheer stupidity. Yield-depleting stupidity. We can now take AS, UA, DL, B6 to Seattle from here. No profits for anyone!

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 65):

You WERE a loyal CO flyer.

Did you bother to read the rest of that paragraph? It explained that I merely tolerate UA, and that it's the former CO STAFF that I'm loyal to here in ANC. They treat me very well, in spite of my reduction in Elite status this year. They all recognize me, whereas at Alaska, I'm just another pax.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 69):
CO was probably pretty good by comparison. And when you take AS out of the picture, your options were all pretty similar and limted.

Indeed. There was Delta to Salt Lake City, and that was IT. NW was doing their thing too, but who in their right mind flew NW!?!?


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 70):
But you're a UA apologist, so I'll have to help you see it: onward connectivity. From IAH, CO could take you virtually anywhere in the world, either on their own metal, or via Skyteam carrier KLM, AF, etc. The transition to Star was just as good.

*Seasonally* take you all over Latin America I think you mean. I'm surprised CO had staff in ANC with the very few flights they had to 1 destination and 2 during the summer (for a total of only a few flights a day year round.)

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 70):

Yes, indeed. I've already said, though, that I don't think this market can sustain all the capacity being thrown at it. Jetblue and Virgin decide to jump in, so Delta and UA retaliate like nobody's bizniss. 9 flights a day, UA? SEA on DL? Sheer stupidity. Yield-depleting stupidity. We can now take AS, UA, DL, B6 to Seattle from here. No profits for anyone!

B6 ain't gonna last. DL will downsize to less than daily off season. UA seems to be doing fine on the route.



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