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Fatal Crash At HQU  
User currently offlineJOshu From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 159 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

Reports out of Georgia that five have died at the Thomson-McDuffie County Airport. (KHQU)

http://www2.nbc26.tv/news/2013/feb/2...-crash-mcduffie-county-ar-5642110/

Aircraft is reported to be a Hawker Beechcraft 390/Premier I

[Edited 2013-02-20 19:59:38]

[Edited 2013-02-20 19:59:56]

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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

Flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N777VG



As Seen On FlightRadar24! Radar ==> F-KBNA5
User currently offlinesevenfeet From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6381 times:

The plane originated from John Tune airport in Nashville (JWN), mainly used for light planes.

User currently offlineusscvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5485 times:
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RIP to all of the families of those involved.

I just read a report in the Nashville Tennessean that "...the plane hit a concrete utility pole, lost a wing and continued to fly through a wooded area." At times I question the medias ability to reports incidents like this...

First reports were that the aircraft went off the end of the runway; now a pole. Does anyone familiar with HQU know how the aircraft could contact a concrete utility pole? Did they land long? Long rollout? It doesn't make sense how the plane would be anywhere near a pole unless it is part of the runway lighting as they exited the runway.


User currently offline3holer From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

Quoting usscvr (Reply 3):

They tried to go-around after landing and clipped the pole on climb out. News has shown the wing well before the main wreckage.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130220-0

http://www.ajc.com/news/ap/transport...-kills-5-in-eastern-georgia/nWWBW/

Looks like attempted landing on 10, does anybody know where the pole was that they hit?



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User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

I just looked at a sat photo on Mapquest. U.S. 78 is about 500 feet away east of the departure end of 10, running nearly perpendicular to the runway. My guess is that the transmission line that they hit runs alongside the highway; looking at the photo, there appears to be a line on the east side of the highway (opposite side from the airport), although it's kind of hard to tell.

The manufacturing plant mentioned in the news reports is about 200 feet away from the highway on the east side. The runway extended centerline crosses over the north end of the plant.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

It says it was a concrete pole 60 foot in length, guess it was at the location of the business across the street, or maybe a light in the parking lot but that is right of centerline. Doesn't that seem close to allow such a tall pole near the airport runway ends?


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User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

It turns out that the plane hit a 115 KV line feeding the plant on the other side of the highway. It is a textile plant and uses a large amount of power. There were extensive repairs that had to be done. Here is a thread from electriciantalk.com wih some photos of the repairs:

http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/plane-hit-power-lines-50775/


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 7):
Doesn't that seem close to allow such a tall pole near the airport runway ends?

No it is not.

The 60 foot tall pole (it that is the correct height) is well under any clearance needs for a normal landing or takeoff.

These are the only warnings posted for landing on Rwy 28 at the airport listed on AIRNAV

Quote:
75 ft. trees, 200 ft. from runway, 480 ft. right of centerline
50' TREES 480 FT RIGHT AT 0 FT - 200 FT FRM RY END.

And for Rwy 10

Quote:
78 ft. trees, 200 ft. from runway, 321 ft. left and right of centerline
0:1 APPROACH SLOPE TO 295' DISPLACED THLD, 50+ FT TREES 429 FEET LEFT AND RIGHT AT DISPLACED THLD.

There are trees in the 50-75 foot range 850 ft directly on the runway centerline on the west side of the airport.

Quoting cornutt (Reply 8):
It turns out that the plane hit a 115 KV line feeding the plant on the other side of the highway.

Google Earth shows the power line cleared right of way coming into the back of the plant. The power line apparently wasn't along the highway. The pole was at least 1,600 ft from the runway.

An aircraft at only 60 ft AGL some 1,600 ft from the runway - there are not issues with the height of the pole it hit but with the climb after the go around. The plane barely avoided crashing into the factory.

Quote:
Witnesses said they saw the plane pull up to avoid the Milliken plant building.

McDuffie County Fire Rescue Chief Bruce Tanner said the plane clipped electric transmission lines that run behind Milliken.
http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/me...e-days-feds-say-victims-identified


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 9):

Ok thanks for that explanation.

I guess the question now is why the aircraft couldn't or didn't climb away on go around as expected.



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User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 9):
Google Earth shows the power line cleared right of way coming into the back of the plant. The power line apparently wasn't along the highway.

I realized that last night when I was looking at the photos on Electriciantalk. In some of the photos there, you can see the cooling towers which are visible on the sat photos. Those towers are at the northeast corner of the plant. The service entrance apparently goes to a substation that is behind the cooling towers. The line seems to be slanting into the property from northwest to southeast, so I'm not sure where it is coming from.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 10):

I guess the question now is why the aircraft couldn't or didn't climb away on go around as expected

Yeah, there's a whole lot of unanswered questions, and apparently there were no eyewitnesses to the landing attempt itself, unfortunately. Why did they decide to go around? How close to touchdown did they get? Were there any runway obstructions? I understand that the captain is one of the survivors, but given the likely extent of his injuries, he might not remember the crash.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Quoting cornutt (Reply 11):
Were there any runway obstructions?

There is a note on Airnav to be wary of deer on the runway after dark.

From the stories in the local paper - the crew was very famililar with the airport, having flown in and out of the airport several times in recent months.


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