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Delta Starting SEA-LAS/ANC  
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9556 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13494 times:

starts June 10th
SEA-LAS
DL2431 2030-2252 738 D

LAS-SEA
DL2430 1730-1945 757 D

SEA-ANC
DL1579 2045-2330 757 D

ANC-SEA
DL0822 0030-500 757 D *starts June 11*

         this could get interesting      


*note, in Delta timetable, should hit Delta.com Saturday.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13494 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
this could get interesting

Wow.

Yep - this is going to get interesting. I suppose this could be simply a way to get some utilization flying in, and boost connectivity for some of the Asia flights. But it doesn't seem like it. Rumors to date notwithstanding, this seems to me to be a strong signal from Delta, and I think we can all take a pretty good guess who the intended recipient is.

Long-term, Alaska can respond to this in one of three ways:

(1) they can ignore it continue with business as usual (including continuing to pursue their dual-track AA/DL partnership strategy

(2) they can succumb to the pressure Delta is obviously mounting (and appears likely to continue to mount) and drop AA

(3) they can go the other extreme, reactive strongly in response, and dump Delta

There are pros and cons to each of those paths. It will be fascinating to see which Delta pursues.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13468 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
(1) they can ignore it continue with business as usual (including continuing to pursue their dual-track AA/DL partnership strategy

Interestingly enough If i try to find a flight on AS for these two the timetable routes me over Portland or Los Angeles



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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

I have to wonder about SEA - LAS as a "competitive" route against AS. LAS is a recreation city. I suspect this is a seasonal route. Even if it is perm, can it be a serious problem? Why not slap an AS code on the flight if there is room for another flight?

I am of the same mind about SEA - ANC. How much daily traffic is there to ANC year round? Part of how AS manages to fly is that AS code share (therefore fills planes) as much as possible.

If there is sufficient traffic, again, why not add a route?

And let's not forget how short a life some DL flights have lived.

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13439 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
(1) they can ignore it continue with business as usual (including continuing to pursue their dual-track AA/DL partnership strategy

(2) they can succumb to the pressure Delta is obviously mounting (and appears likely to continue to mount) and drop AA

(3) they can go the other extreme, reactive strongly in response, and dump Delta



I think there's definitely something going on behind the scenes at AS. They can't be happy about DL's slow build up. This could be positioning AA better. I'm sure the new AA would appreciate being AS' sole partner.

Should AS and DL divorce, could/would we see some AA Asia build up out of SEA?


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13404 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
starts June 10th
SEA-LAS
DL2431 2030-2252 738 D

LAS-SEA
DL2430 1730-1945 757 D

I'm surprised it's not scheduled to feed the TPAC operation.

[Edited 2013-02-21 05:37:16]

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13374 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 4):
Should AS and DL divorce, could/would we see some AA Asia build up out of SEA?

I guess its possible but even with a divorce, Delta would add some feed for its Asian network on its own. Market isn't big enough for two.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13354 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 4):
They can't be happy about DL's slow build up. This could be positioning AA better. I'm sure the new AA would appreciate being AS' sole partner.

I agree - AS would likely prefer to not have competition from its "competimate" in several of its largest markets (ANC, LAX, LAS) out of its largest hub. This could - theoretically - push AS into AA's open and willing arms. But I don't know if that is realistic, either.

Quoting seatback (Reply 4):
Should AS and DL divorce, could/would we see some AA Asia build up out of SEA?

Possible, I suppose, but hard to imagine. The only SEA-Asia market I think AA can and should be in is SEA-NRT, either with an AA 777 or JL 787 - if I'm not mistaken, SEA is by far the largest U.S.-NRT market the AA/JL is not presently represented in.

However, these things don't happen in a vacuum. If - hypothetically - AS were to entirely sever ties with DL, and AA were to try and build an Asia hub in SEA based on the AS partnership, they would almost certainly then find themselves fighting against DL who would then no doubt be building its own SEA "hub" (with nothing - vis a vis AS - to lose).

All that being said, again, though - I don't see AA building up a large Asia gateway out of SEA.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 5):
I'm surprised it's not scheduled to feed the TPAC operation.

Based on the scheduling it looks like this is clearly utilization flying. Based on the schedule, it is probably a aircraft coming in from the east coast that would just have parked on the west coast (LAS and SEA) for long sits and are now just doing additional flying before coming back to LAS/SEA to head back east again.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13345 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 5):
I'm surprised it's not scheduled to feed the TPAC operation.

Yeah, It looks like its kinda timed up to HND but most of the other TPAC flying leaves in the early afternoon


Oh course, it could change. A little odd to have a 738 one way and 757 the other.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13313 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
This could - theoretically - push AS into AA's open and willing arms. But I don't know if that is realistic, either.

not two flights. IMO its just DL showing they will do their own thing if they have too....

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
if I'm not mistaken, SEA is by far the largest U.S.-NRT market the AA/JL is not presently represented in.

But has a ton of capacity from DL (744-NRT 76W-HND) and Star (ANA NRT-787 errr 777? and UA NRT 777) I don't think Oneworld wants any part of that blood bath. (and doesn't JL fly to YVR?)

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
they would almost certainly then find themselves fighting against DL who would then no doubt be building its own SEA "hub" (with nothing - vis a vis AS - to lose).

Right. Delta isn't going to just dump the SEA flying. They will simply add some limited feed ie the old PDX hub.



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13285 times:

Let the DL is buying AS rumours begin.......   

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13266 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
But has a ton of capacity from DL (744-NRT 76W-HND) and Star (ANA NRT-787 errr 777? and UA NRT 777) I don't think Oneworld wants any part of that blood bath.

True, the market right now is a bloodbath. NH has entered while UA has stuck around, and DL is dumping a ton of additional capacity into the market. Nonetheless, I'm not sure how long that will last for. And I still contend that, long-term, strategically, SEA-NRT (and really more broadly SEA-Asia) is a market oneworld needs to have a presence in.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
(and doesn't JL fly to YVR?)

Yes, but YVR is not the same market as SEA.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
Right. Delta isn't going to just dump the SEA flying. They will simply add some limited feed ie the old PDX hub.

I do question how long that would be sustainable, though. (Frankly, I question even how long this present situation is really sustainable.)


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13231 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
And I still contend that, long-term, strategically, SEA-NRT (and really more broadly SEA-Asia) is a market oneworld needs to have a presence in.

Probably a 787 market, once they get back in the air.

My guess would be DL jumping into SFO-SEA next.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13202 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 12):
My guess would be DL jumping into SFO-SEA next.

I think they want to concentrate this against AS, and not draw in UA which might lead to a larger issue for DL. So I would say SAN might be next.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7661 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13164 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
Based on the scheduling it looks like this is clearly utilization flying. Based on the schedule, it is probably a aircraft coming in from the east coast that would just have parked on the west coast (LAS and SEA) for long sits and are now just doing additional flying before coming back to LAS/SEA to head back east again.

The schedule indicates as said its clearly utilization flying.

LAS-SEA-LAS positions aircraft in the evening that can be used then for a red-eye back east.

SEA-ANC-SEA is overnight red-eye flying


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13154 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
I think they want to concentrate this against AS, and not draw in UA which might lead to a larger issue for DL. So I would say SAN might be next.

Perhaps, but then I guess it depends on what their strategy actually is. Conspiracy theory about leveraging AS aside, if their intent is to build a larger operation to develop a more higher yielding, elite passenger base then Northern California will be key to that strategy (tech traffic etc). I can most definitely see SAN and SNA coming soon too.


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6776 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13067 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
starts June 10th
SEA-LAS
DL2431 2030-2252 738 D

LAS-SEA
DL2430 1730-1945 757 D

SEA-ANC
DL1579 2045-2330 757 D

ANC-SEA
DL0822 0030-500 757 D *starts June 11*

Are these competitive or complimentary time? To me, that would make it look like either an aggression or a supportive move...



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinerwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13056 times:

I know there's the usual a.net tendency to add emotion and drama into any situation, but let's focus on facts here. DL has added a single daily frequency in two important AS markets. Each market has multiple daily flights by AS (in case of ANC, something like 15x daily in the summer, maybe even more). DL's flights are at inconvenient times that suggest nothing but repositioning. If they can pick up some pax in those flights, then all the better for it. At the same time, in the last couple of years AS has added flights, again limited to 1-2 daily frequencies, to important Delta markets like SLC, MSP, and ATL. I fail to see how DL adding a few reposition flights signals an all-out war with AS, anymore than AS adding a daily flight to MSP signalled an all-out war with DL.

Yes DL added SEA-LAX, but they've also added many other destinations from LAX. LAX is an important international gateway for DL, as is SEA. It makes sense to offer some of their own connections between the two.

Yes, AS is strengthening ties with AA... but again how does this hurt the all-important AS feed to DL's SEA gateway? The extent of the AS/AA partnership is pretty much the connections available at LAX. Other than SEA, PDX, and some Mexican holiday destinations, the AS network at LAX has never lent itself to supporting a massive international gateway, as may be the case in SEA.

I take this at face value - DL getting some extra utilization, while taking advantage of its increasing FF base in SEA and it's increased number of aircraft overnighting there due to a general increase in service (such as the increase of SEA-JFK from 3 to 5 daily this summer). Anything about a "war" is utter nonsense.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13028 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
I do question how long that would be sustainable, though. (Frankly, I question even how long this present situation is really sustainable.)

I have said before, I don't think this is the way to go. The only sustainable thing I see it the big M word. IMO SEA isn't be enough, nor does it have the space for two hubs. (plus a large WN operation)

regardless, Delta has to have a place(s) to start overflying Japan. DTW has become the nice gateway to the east coast (ala ORD for UA). SEA and LAX to a point will, IMO, become Delta's place from the west coast. I just don't see Delta being able to rely on AS the way they are now for long term stability.

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
SEA-NRT (and really more broadly SEA-Asia) is a market oneworld needs to have a presence in.

I agree. Give it time, I personally think UA's days a numbered. (and I also think DL will be going back to a 333 once the fleet finishes mods.)

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
and not draw in UA which might lead to a larger issue for DL.

I honestly don't think UA would blink that much. IMO UA would just hope that DL would add enough capacity to get VX to blink(Or does VS only fly to SEA from LAX?). I think UA knows as much as we do that this is just some kind of pissing match between AS and DL. IMHO it wont last long.

SFO would be my bet for any extra SEA flying(also say SAN/PHX wouldn't shock me though). I wouldn't be shocked at all to LAX-PDX happen.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12807 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 18):
I honestly don't think UA would blink that much.

I disagree, I think UA would retaliate and I think DL knows this which is why they have have added everything but SFO. After LAX SFO has to be the most important West Coast market from SEA, if DL's plans were not retaliatory towards AS then why not add SFO sooner? Las Vegas before San Francisco, really?



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User currently offlineSocalApproach From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12752 times:

I don't understand what DL is doing and why. Granted its just 1 flight SEA-ANC. I cant expect DL to put anything significant on SEA-SFO and they wouldn't be dumb enough to through an RJ on the route but There is enough capacity on that route as it is AS/UA/VX and then WN/AS with service to OAK. I look forward to when we know what this is all about if anything is under lying. But it may be nothing. Its not like AS doesnt have routes overlaping DL anywhere. Dont they fly SEA-ATL SEA-MSP and I recall it getting a little roudy here when AS announced SEA-SLC.

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12739 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
I disagree, I think UA would retaliate and I think DL knows this which is why they have have added everything but SFO. After LAX SFO has to be the most important West Coast market from SEA, if DL's plans were not retaliatory towards AS then why not add SFO sooner? Las Vegas before San Francisco, really?

They did the same thing in LAX. LAX and even SAN came before SFO. Delta is bigger in LAX and LAS then they are in SFO. Plus LAS is pretty big for Asians.

Also if the SEA-SFO schedule is as big of a joke as LAS is I don't think it will even be a dot on UAs radar. At most it will get a few laughs from the guys in UAs Network dept. 1x flight a day that connects to nearly nothing for Delta..... They are digging their own grave.



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User currently offlinemcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

SEA-HKG next? How about a SEA-BKK NS flight? Can the 777 make it?

User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12660 times:
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Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 5):

I'm surprised it's not scheduled to feed the TPAC operation.

The SEA-LAS is timed for the arrival from HND. The LAS-SEA flight can feed both HND and PEK as both leave SEA in the late evening.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12643 times:

SEA-ANC is the most interesting and telling IMHO. Its not to feed asia flights clearly so that is interesting

25 Deltal1011man : 777 can do it, but it wouldn't work. to long and low yielding. I think SEA-HKG, SEA-NGO or SEA-ICN would be the three looked at. NGO/ICN can be hit w
26 psa1011 : Does anyone know why UA cancelled SFO-NGO? Would it have been too costly to replace the 777 with a 763?
27 steex : I'm not sure I follow you in the "everything but SFO" statement - they haven't added all that much to SEA. I guess you can argue that SEA-MEM is a ro
28 MaverickM11 : Wow it is *on*. I would not want to be DL or AS right now as it has the potential to get really ugly really quickly. I don't think it is sustainable w
29 mesaflyguy : I'd say the SEA-ANC route is just utilization flying. Isn't B6's ANC route the same thing? As for LAS, that is clearly a utilization flight, as each w
30 SonomaFlyer : That's quite a leap from a couple of positioning flights to long haul flights to Asia. SEA-BKK is 6481 nm which would mean the 77L would be the only
31 commavia : I could definitely see NRT-HKG being replaced by SEA-HKG. Seems like a market that could work with a 777. SEA-BKK? Don't think so - way to long and l
32 AeroWesty : Thank goodness, some level-headed realism. This isn't about DL trying to disrupt the business plans of one of their most important domestic partners.
33 peanuts : Funny Funnier. Remember High School? Ever try to draw the attention from a pretty girl? Maybe you throw some "innocent" (=utilization flying) attenti
34 BigGSFO : Agreed. UA few this route before they acquired PA's system I believe. I can see DL adding it. Also, as mentioned above, it feeds HND and PEK, two mar
35 Roseflyer : These new routes are not about connections. DL is stepping into high O/D markets out of SEA. Other than MSP & LAX, none of DL’s domestic hubs ou
36 DeltaMD90 : Slow down guys... I initially thought of something shady when I saw this, but don't forget a couple months ago DL flew a 744 into SEA and had a big or
37 MaverickM11 : That is illegal And since then, AS announced a major upgrade to its AA partnership, hence DL adding anything and everything to SEA
38 Deltal1011man : I haven't figured out why UA doesn't run this with a 767. ....uh its not a leap for a carrier that already has SEA-NRT/KIX/HND/PEK/PVG. I don't think
39 United1 : What makes no sense to me is why DL would do anything to risk their partnership with AS....without it all of those flights they have to Asia from SEA
40 STT757 : If this were planned all along why wouldn't DL make one big announcement about expanding SEA, instead they are drip drip dripping a new route every c
41 jporterfi : Interesting that it is a 738 in one direction and a 757 in the other direction. Based on that, is it safe to assume that the a/c are heading back eas
42 iowaman : Very interesting. Nice use of aircraft that are probably otherwise sitting around. I doubt they will have any problem filling these aircraft in the su
43 SANFan : I would agree, thinking we will probably see the announcement before March (with a June start-up.) And this would be AS's first competition on the ro
44 slcdeltarumd11 : Delta might just be trying to accelerate AS decision on partners. The delta execs may have decided it makes more sense to push alaska to make a decis
45 syncmaster : What's the long-term viability (both for corporate reasons and potentially DOJ reasons) of this enhanced partnership with AA anyways? Arguably DL nee
46 Post contains images diverdave : AA's open and willing arms will be quite well occupied for the next couple of years executing its merger with Doug Parker Enterprises dba US Air. Dav
47 MIflyer12 : IMHO, US fixes few of AA's West Coast weaknesses - AA needs AS support whether or not it merges with US. So the flight schedules show DL's single fli
48 BoeingGuy : Why would AS want to choose a side? They apparently get significant revenue from each partnership. That's part of their highly successful business mo
49 Roseflyer : Delta and Alaska do not have anti-trust immunity. So far I don’t believe any domestic airlines have anti-trust immunity to coordinate schedules. Th
50 greggariouspdx : I am glad to see DL flying the SEA-ANC route again. Does anyone think DL might start up the SEA-JNU-FAI route that they inherited in the merger with W
51 psa1011 : It seems, though, that DL was awarded SEA-HND partially based on the implied cooperation of AS in terms of scheduling on the domestic side.
52 prost : Any US carrier could start that route. There isn't a CAB that doles out domestic routes.
53 surfdog75 : The big 3 are so big now I would expect them to connect most of the big markets on their own metal eventually. The only real hole in DL's network is t
54 hatbutton : I don't think this is totally true. You can't coordinate pricing for sure. I'm sure you also can't directly tell someone you want them to fly at XXX
55 hatbutton : Today it's $3.5B. It's not expensive from a total dollar standpoint, but the point I think is that $3.5B is a pretty rich price for an airline that i
56 BoeingGuy : I agree. I didn't think that lack of anti-trust immunity precludes partners from coordinating connecting flights. What would be illegal would be, say
57 AeroWesty : That would be coordinating flights and schedules, which I do believe would be illegal without antitrust immunity.
58 planesntrains : It may or may not be nonsense. I think SEA-ANC is: Pretty standard airline SEA-ANC schedule for decades. I don't think he was implying that. By "inhe
59 steex : Codeshare decisions are reactionary only. AS and DL both have to determine and publish their own flight schedules independently. Now, if AS wants to,
60 BoeingGuy : Personally, I don't think AS has to worry. They have much stronger brand recognition on the West Coast, and somewhat of a cult following at times. I
61 hatbutton : Good point. A deal doesn't have to be accepted. I remember when FL went after YX really hard. FL tried a few times unsuccessfully to buy them out and
62 yellowtail : The next OAG update should be interesting
63 tommy767 : Can I ask why SEA-LAS? A bit random, IMHO. SEA-ANC should do well for them though. It would be ballsy for DL to go against AS on focus city to focus c
64 slcdeltarumd11 : [ They dont and wont. Its delta that wants them to. LAS is to feed the Asian flights they have from SEA.
65 planesntrains : Of course not, but my point is that if DL gradually pulls its feed away from AS and replaces much of it with it's own strategic SEA adds, Alaska isn'
66 BigGSFO : Indeed, and in the end, if this what DL's shareholders wants them spending their capital on? Maybe, maybe not. Besides, I don't think this would pass
67 RWA380 : Don't these type of agreements have clauses about competition? For example DL knew AS was in bed with AA, when DL did their thing in Seattle with a 7
68 SANFan : Has anyone else noticed that DL has not issued any press releases about any of these new routes over the last week or two? Maybe this is a (another?)
69 planesntrains : I think it's odd if they do it without announcing it, if for no other reason than it has a purpose. It isn't about them adding a frequency between AT
70 Deltal1011man : I was talking about HKG, BKK/SIN wont be seeing much not stop from the US. good question ....why? Not like US bring anything to AA on the west coast
71 slcdeltarumd11 : SEA is pretty small and they they really are just flying these to feed flights probably temporarily. LAX they didnt issue a press release on either?
72 Post contains links panamair : They issued a press release for the new LAX-SEA service: http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1837
73 EA CO AS : A stock swap? You're making the assumption that Alaska Air Group would want to merge, and that's not the case. Unless I'm mistaken, a stock swap cann
74 MAH4546 : DL/AS could be turned down because the DOT/DOJ might be done approving competition-killing mergers that hurt consumers. Honestly, if it weren't for th
75 BigGSFO : Also, I think AA being bankruptcy is also factoring into this decision, which even though hasn't been officially approved, is expected to approve. DL
76 Post contains images Yukon880 : You are dancing perilously close to the truth here, my friend. And I'm not just talking about the carrier combination you mentioned.
77 woodsboy : DL flew from ANC to SEA and vice versa for 20 years after the Western merger as well as FAI-ANC and the aforementioned FAI-JNU-SLC-DEN which I flew ma
78 wedgetail737 : 1X daily SEA-LAS and 1X daily SEA-ANC doesn't really constitute a major threat to AS in SEA. SEA only has so much room to accommodate any further expa
79 SANFan : (Plus 3 x daily mainline LA-SEA.) But I agree to a point. I don't think DL is anywhere near done with their SEA expansion; I would be very surprised
80 Lono : Quote Woodsboy: "FAI-JNU-SLC-DEN which I flew many times on the same 727 all the way from" Back in the day we flew: FAI-JNU-SEA-LAX flight 1708 LAX-SE
81 slcdeltarumd11 : The whole point of SEA is to use AS for the connection power. I dont see what would be so much better about replicating the entire PDX operation they
82 wedgetail737 : Unlike AS who as almost half of the gates at SEA, DL has a limited amount of gates in S-concourse and maybe a couple in A and B concourse. In May, so
83 United777 : I flew into SEA from ATL yesterday and we deplaned from Terminal B. I noticed a couple of other DL jets at the terminal as well. DL has always used th
84 BA : As part of the major realignment occurring at Sea-Tac, a number of gates will become common-use gates, and I see DL as being one of the biggest users
85 Post contains images woodsboy : I trust you are right about this, but damn if I dont remember being in SLC then off to JNU. Definitely was often the same plane from Denver all the w
86 Lono : "I trust you are right about this, but damn if I dont remember being in SLC then off to JNU" Positive I opened JNU for WA in 1982 and closed the stat
87 slcdeltarumd11 : Delta did fly SLC-ANC-FAI summer only IIRC
88 SocalApproach : That is a common use gate they use. They also have used the A terminal as well recently. Over last summer a 757 would routinely arrive at gate A11 ar
89 United777 : Thanks for the info! I love DL expanding in SEA. I've always wanted an alt to AS though AS will always be the king in SEA.
90 OA412 : This is simply untrue. You really need to look into what DL has going on at LAX because you continue to mischaracterize the situation without providi
91 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : People said the exact same things everytime and round delta adds at LAX and then pulls back that is history. Lets see Delta call it a hub and have th
92 mayor : I seem to remember at some point, that DL was flying SLC-JNU, but it was seasonal and not non-stop. I couldn't give you the time frame, but I do reme
93 prost : A lot of cruise packages have a tour component that ends up in FAI, either by motorcoach or rail. So lets say you fly to Fairbanks, tour around, train
94 Yukon880 : Out of the way, but makes perfect sense when you consider a great many cruise passengers will include a trip to Denali to see the park, as part of th
95 Lono : Quote Mayor: "I seem to remember at some point, that DL was flying SLC-JNU, but it was seasonal and not non-stop. I couldn't give you the time frame,
96 baw716 : Folks, let's not get too excited here... We are talking one flight to ANC and one to LAS? Let's not start talking about AS/DL getting a divorce quite
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