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Bombardier "Bizjet Backlog Bursting At The Seams"  
User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8026 times:
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Looks like the corporate-Jet market is Bombardier's bread and butter... (As if we didn't know that already).. The waiting list for a Global is 44 months at present. Not as good as Gulfstream's 650 waiting list, which stands at 5 years at present, but still good


"Bombardier Business Aircraft saw a “remarkable level” of order intake last year, logging net orders for 343 aircraft versus 191 in 2011, the Canadian aircraft manufacturer reported today. This 43-percent gain does not include firm orders from VistaJet for 56 Globals worth $3.1 billion and from NetJets for 100 Challengers worth $2.6 billion."


http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...dier-bizjet-backlog-bursting-seams

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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7841 times:

Well they must have plenty of spare staff on the Q400 and CRJ (especially) programmes to help reduce this waiting list...


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15830 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7825 times:

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
The waiting list for a Global is 44 months at present. Not as good as Gulfstream's 650 waiting list, which stands at 5 years at present, but still good

True, and Gulfstream won't let you sell a slot either from what I recall. If you need a Gulfstream soon, you'll have to find a used one, otherwise look for other options.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7727 times:
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Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 1):
Well they must have plenty of spare staff on the Q400 and CRJ (especially) programmes to help reduce this waiting list...

sad but true

makes you wonder why they even bother with the regional jet market


User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7402 times:
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Quoting g500 (Reply 3):
makes you wonder why they even bother with the regional jet market

For a few years those markets made great money and put the Bombardier name front and center.

The C-series is doing well too, 180 orders now. That has helped put Bombardier's name front and center with a number of vendors. In many ways, the #1 benefit of Bombardier making bigger jets has been to get their foot in the door ahead of Embraer at a number of vendors. It has also given Bombardier a supply base for 'larger scale' parts.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6546 times:
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Is not just corporate jets,

Russia's llyusin Finance company orders 32 CSeries aircraft

"Russia’s Ilyushin Finance Co. (IFC) leasing company has ordered 32 Bombardier CS300 aircraft, plus 10 options. The order is valued at approximately $2.56 billion at list prices. If the options are exercised, the contract would be valued at approximately $3.42 billion. The transaction, which follows a letter of intent signed by IFC in 2011, must be approved by company shareholders."

source ATWonline.com


User currently offlinetransaeroyyz From Canada, joined Dec 2010, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
Russia's llyusin Finance company orders 32 CSeries aircraft

which airline do you think they would lease them to? SU, UN, S7


User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Business Jets 2012 deliveries

http://www.gama.aero/files/2012ShipmentReport_0.pdf

Top 5

Bombardier:
Learjet 40XR/45XR ---------- 24
Learjet 60XR ------------------ 15
Challenger 300 --------------- 48
Challenger 605 --------------- 34
Global 5000/6000 ----------- 54
CL850/870/890 --------------- 4
Total Units ------------------- 179
Total Billings $5,832,700,000

Gulfstream:
Gulfstream 150/200/280 -------------------- 11
Gulfstream 350/450/500/550/650 -------- 83
Total Units --------------------------------------- 94
Total Billings $4,067,078,871

Dassault Aviation
Falcon 900LX -------------- 7
Falcon 2000LX ----------- 22
Falcon 7X ------------------ 37
Total Units ----------------- 66
Total Billings $2,938,800,000

Cessna
510 Citation Mustang --------------- 38
525A Citation CJ2+ ------------------ 19
525B Citation CJ3 -------------------- 21
525C Citation CJ4 -------------------- 44
560 Citation XLS+ -------------------- 31
680 Citation Sovereign -------------- 22
750 Citation X -------------------------- 6
Total Units - --------------------------- 181
Total Billings $1,852,092,441 (including GA aircrafts)

Embraer
Phenom 100 ----------------------------------- 29
Phenom 300 ----------------------------------- 48
Legacy 650 ------------------------------------ 17
Lineage 1000/E190 Head of state ------ 2
Shuttles (ERJs and E-Jets) --------------- 3
Total Units ------------------------------------- 99
Total Billings $1,252,660,000

[Edited 2013-02-22 06:26:19]

User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5277 times:
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Quoting queb (Reply 7):
Total Units ------------------- 179

This Bombardier total is why they stay in RJs/big jets. The C-series will be at the production rate in a few years. Yes, I just made an assumption on sales that I think is safe.

Quoting queb (Reply 7):
Total Units ------------------------------------- 99

Embraer has grown nicely in the business jet market. While they are the smallest of the top 5, they were nothing just a decade ago.

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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4598 times:
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Quoting queb (Reply 7):
Bombardier:
Learjet 40XR/45XR ---------- 24
Learjet 60XR ------------------ 15
Challenger 300 --------------- 48
Challenger 605 --------------- 34
Global 5000/6000 ----------- 54
CL850/870/890 --------------- 4
Total Units ------------------- 179
Total Billings $5,832,700,000

Gulfstream:
Gulfstream 150/200/280 -------------------- 11
Gulfstream 350/450/500/550/650 -------- 83
Total Units --------------------------------------- 94
Total Billings $4,067,078,871

I have noticed the Europeans have been buying more and more Globals for the longhaul needs. They used to go after the G-IVs and G-Vs, but not anymore, now it seems the Global express is proving quite popular in Europe..

I wonder if the fact that Bombardier manufactures some aircraft in Europe has something to do with it??


User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
I wonder if the fact that Bombardier manufactures some aircraft in Europe has something to do with it??

All BBD final assembly lines are in Canada & US.


User currently offlineDash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
I wonder if the fact that Bombardier manufactures some aircraft in Europe has something to do with it??

BBD aerospace doesn't manufacture aircraft in Europe, but wings and components in Belfast. I doubt it has anything to do with their ability to sell bizjets as these are mostly bought by rich individuals or private corporation that don't have political insensitive. Its not like a state-owned airline that might buy from BBD or EMB depending on political factors.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Embraer has grown nicely in the business jet market. While they are the smallest of the top 5, they were nothing just a decade ago.

True, but they sell mostly entry-level super-light or light jets (Phenoms) that don't provide the same return than long range large cabins (i.e. Globals). I'm sure a single Global 5000 sales brings in more profit than 10 Phenoms..

-Dash9


User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

The early Global builds had many teething issues, particularly with cabin systems, and earned a reputation as unreliable compared with the G V. Early Global cabin systems were a patch-work of components. The issues have been worked out with the help of integrated cabin system design. Other design issues have been addressed and the Global's as reliable now as the other brands...have been for many years.

Of course the competition still talks about Global as though the last 300+ planes off the line are the same as the first 100 which is not the case. and of course, never is. I think Bombardier has proven they can build a reliable competitor to the G- V/550 and with a much bigger cabin than the Gulfstream the Global brand seems a more attractive option now.

Just my theory as to why Globals have become more popular in Europe. More common here in the US too lately.


User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3536 times:
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Quoting Dash9 (Reply 11):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Embraer has grown nicely in the business jet market. While they are the smallest of the top 5, they were nothing just a decade ago.

True, but they sell mostly entry-level super-light or light jets (Phenoms) that don't provide the same return than long range large cabins (i.e. Globals). I'm sure a single Global 5000 sales brings in more profit than 10 Phenoms..
Quoting 26point2 (Reply 12):
Of course the competition still talks about Global as though the last 300+ planes off the line are the same as the first 100 which is not the case. and of course, never is.

They do the same with all planes. We saw that with the DC-10, A300, A320, MD-11, and I'm sure a dozen others I don't recall right now.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinePDPsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Embraer has grown nicely in the business jet market. While they are the smallest of the top 5, they were nothing just a decade ago.
Quoting Dash9 (Reply 11):
True, but they sell mostly entry-level super-light or light jets (Phenoms) that don't provide the same return than long range large cabins (i.e. Globals). I'm sure a single Global 5000 sales brings in more profit than 10 Phenoms..

But... don't forget those guys in São José dos Campos are hard at work getting the Legacy 450/500 project fully developed and certified as quickly as possible. These two models compete directly with Cessna and BBD's bread-and-butter mid-size models. The Legacy 500 is already in flight trials and is expected to receive certification by year-end.

Any guess what these models will do to the mid-range corporate jet market?


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