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What's Happening In Detroit: Pivot Bins Edition  
User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

It's been awhile since we've had a thread dedicated to Detroit (and Southeastern Michigan) aviation, so I figured I'd start one. With Delta recently uploading its summer schedule, I figured that'd be a great place to start. Here's some highlights:

* The biggest news is the end of DC-9 service; all remaining DC-9-50 flights will be replaced by summer, primarily with A319 equipment. Hopefully we'll get some encore service later in the year.

* Peak day departures are scheduled nearly the same as they were in 2012, with a slight rise in mainline equipment. Interestingly, the number of flights operated with 50-seat equipment will significantly increase.

* Service to Quebec City (YQB), previously removed from the system, has been restored and will resume once-daily. Delta similarly moved YHZ service to NYC (shortly after the merger) only to later restore it.

* A second daily flight to Mexico City will be added; both flights will be operated with the A319. MEX will also upgauged to the 320 during the spring months.

* The Delta-operated flight to Paris will be upgauged to the 333, and the fourth frequency to AMS will continue as a 777. The second flight to LHR, which operated only thrice weekly, will not return.

* There's an increase in long-haul 753 flying, to places such as LAS, LAX, SFO, SEA and most notably, SAN. Previously the 753 were confined to mostly leisure-orientated destinations.

* Domestic-configured 763 will serve LAX (3x daily), SEA (2x daily) and SFO. The service to SEA replaces previous plans to LAS and a second frequency to SFO.

* Florida will endure heavy reductions in service. Notably Orlando will see 6 daily flights operated with 738, 4x757, 757 -- the least capacity since at least the early 1990s. This probably bonds well for Southwest's service, which will continue twice-daily with AirTran 717 at one time thought to be ending.

And well I intend to discuss other airlines in a later post, I will end with an issue close to home with me: United Airlines will be ending mainline service to Chicago. DTW-ORD regularly saw DC-10 service until the type was retired (it was one of the last routes with scheduled DC-10 service), then later domestic-configured 763 until shortly before 9/11. Mainline service was reduced to a single flight in late 2008 (when the 737 were retired), but typically operated with the 757 (and later 739). Last year the route saw twice-daily mainline service, but alas, all good things seem to come to and end. United's sole mainline service will be a single 735 into Houston.

Vintage NW 744, Departing DTW-KIX


Vintage United 737 Service DTW-ORD




[Edited 2013-02-22 07:53:21]


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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2949 times:

UA going RJ from DTW-ORD doesn't surprise me. AA has been Eagle for a few years now.


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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Big difference between UA & AA: for UA, ORD has historically been its trunk hub whereas its secondary for AA. And AA converted all similar markets from ORD to regional jet service, whereas UA didn't go quite that far.

From an outside point of view, it is surprising that UA is enduring heavy capacity cuts at DTW (at both ORD and IAH) while AA, US and DL are expanding.



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User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1588 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
* Domestic-configured 763 will serve LAX (3x daily), SEA (2x daily) and SFO. The service to SEA replaces previous plans to LAS and a second frequency to SFO.

Excited about that, I like riding on wide-bodies on those flights, much like the days when NW had DC-10's doing them, it was easier to non-rev on the bigger planes it seemed.

Just curious, anyone know what happened to the Detroit Spotters forum? It kinda vanished a couple years ago. It was nice to have local spotters sharing news and pics.



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
* A second daily flight to Mexico City will be added; both flights will be operated with the A319. MEX will also upgauged to the 320 during the spring months.

What was AM's running to Mexico from DTW for the short time they were there?


Is there any news about the potential QR service to the Middle East?



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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 4):
What was AM's running to Mexico from DTW for the short time they were there?

AM operated DTW-MTY-MEX for about 9 months in 2008. The route began as thrice-weekly 73G service and shifted to six-weekly E90. Early indications were that the flight was performing well, but the schedule overhaul (and later equipment/frequency change) suggests otherwise.



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User currently offlineusctrojan18 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Who else noticed the America West plane in the background of the picture of the united 733 and wished the America West livery was still around?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7563 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
* The biggest news is the end of DC-9 service; all remaining DC-9-50 flights will be replaced by summer, primarily with A319 equipment. Hopefully we'll get some encore service later in the year.

Yep, we knew the end of an era was near. It looks like the last of the DC-9 flying out of DTW will be on DTW-ORD, ending by mid-June.

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
* A second daily flight to Mexico City will be added; both flights will be operated with the A319. MEX will also upgauged to the 320 during the spring months.

This is a first.

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
* Florida will endure heavy reductions in service. Notably Orlando will see 6 daily flights operated with 738, 4x757, 757 -- the least capacity since at least the early 1990s. This probably bonds well for Southwest's service, which will continue twice-daily with AirTran 717 at one time thought to be ending.

Not surprised to see DL pull back on Florida flying during the summer. It seems like DL is reallocating more flying to places like the West Coast and Rocky Mountains over the summer months. Not necessarily just from DTW, but also the additions from ATL. Fares are through the roof into many of these markets like JAC, YYC, YVR, etc during the summer months. Florida isn't very desirable during mid-summer.

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
And well I intend to discuss other airlines in a later post, I will end with an issue close to home with me: United Airlines will be ending mainline service to Chicago.

Hard to believe that they are done, wow.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 1):
UA going RJ from DTW-ORD doesn't surprise me. AA has been Eagle for a few years now.

AA went all-RJ several years ago, but mainline did make a brief cameo apperance in about 2009 or 2010. They put an MD-80 back on for awhile. Actually, they even had a 757 back on the route too. For a while AA was flying the 757 on DTW-MIA and DTW-ORD which hadn't been seen in DTW in several years.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 4):
Is there any news about the potential QR service to the Middle East?

I believe it when I see it.

A few more comments:

DL DTW-SMF returns in the summer with 3x weekly A320 service
DL DTW-YVR returns in the summer with Sat-only 738 service
DL will be operating a daily A320 on DTW-TVC the summer again alongside 4x CRJ (MSP-TVC will see a daily M88)
DL DTW-SLC will be up to 5x daily, including an eastbound red-eye
In addition to the domestic-configured 763 flying listed above, DTW-ATL will see a international configured 76W on Mon-Fri


User currently offlineghYHZ From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
Delta similarly moved YHZ service to NYC (shortly after the merger) only to later restore it.

They did the same thing with YYG. NW had excellent connections to/from NRT at DTW (strong ties between Japan and Prince Edward Island) Now the YYG service is daily summer only to JFK.


User currently offlinefjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 608 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

I can remember taking an MD-80 on the ORD-DTW route on AA in November of 2007, on the last flight in- arrived just around midnight. One year later the flight was a CRJ-700 and now I'm sure it's an ERD.


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User currently offlineFlyBlue777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

I can't believe UA is ending mainline to ORD.

I have been on this flight many times, and every time (both inbound and outbound) it's been 100% full.

Is it a capacity issue, or are there other reasons why this is ending?


User currently offlinecompensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Highlights from DL's recent updated summer schedule load:
* DC-9-50 operations will continue;
* A reversal on the decision to operate SMF - it was available for sale less than two weeks;
* A reversal on the decision to rescind some capacity to Florida;
* Further increases in mainline flying - the highest since 2010

Also of interest:
Unsurprising, with WN discontinuing FL's ATL service from FNT, FNT-ATL will absorb significant capacity reductions the rest of the year. The route operated as 3 daily MD-88 last spring & summer (a CR9 substituted for one flight on Saturdays) but will be down-gauged to 2xCR9 & M88 during spring and CR9, 319 & M88 during the summer. That's a 30% reduction over the busy season...



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7563 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Quoting compensateme (Reply 11):
DC-9-50 operations will continue;

What routes do you see them on in June/July?

Quoting compensateme (Reply 11):
A reversal on the decision to operate SMF - it was available for sale less than two weeks;

Yep that one was just there. Interesting that DL just cut ATL-ONT too in the past week, that was loaded for the summer.

Although DTW is getting a 2nd daily DTW-PDX flight (daytime flight) so that is a better trade-off than a 3x weekly redeye on DTW-SMF. (I actually have to go to SMF a few times this summer, but I'm just using SFO instead)

Quoting compensateme (Reply 11):
Unsurprising, with WN discontinuing FL's ATL service from FNT, FNT-ATL will absorb significant capacity reductions the rest of the year. The route operated as 3 daily MD-88 last spring & summer (a CR9 substituted for one flight on Saturdays) but will be down-gauged to 2xCR9 & M88 during spring and CR9, 319 & M88 during the summer. That's a 30% reduction over the busy season...

I remember when FNT-ATL was just CR7s, then DL bumped it up to DC-9-50s and then MD-88s when they decided to start battling back against FL. Not surprised to see them pull back on capacity.

FNT-MSP is still 2x CRJ this summer, surprisingly LAN-MSP is getting bumped up to 3x CRJ this summer.

A few other points of interest:
DTW-DCA sees a 757 again starting in June
DTW-PVD has 2 CRJ's replaced by 2 CRJ-900's (7 total - 5x CR2, 2x CR9) - first time there has been a 2-class aircraft on this route in awhile
DTW-RDU is up to 6x daily flights this summer (1x CRJ, 3x CR7, 1x 319, 1x M88)
DTW-OMA gets a daily scheduled mainline flight (A319) for the first time in a while mid-June goes to (2x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x A319)
DTW-MSN goes all 2-class RJ & mainline (no more 50 seaters) starting in June
DTW-MKE goes all 2-class RJ & mainline starting in May


User currently offlinecompensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

To elaborate on what I previously wrote, DTW will see the most mainline flights since 2010; cumulative flight count peaked that year as well but the 2013 total will be off slightly. However, daily seats will peak at 6,000 more than there were in 2010 and are pretty close to the record NW operated in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

- - -

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
What routes do you see them on in June/July?

There's three total, each operating a round-trip for MEM, PHL and STL. There's no bridge scheduled into ATL (or elsewhere) so more changes likely to come.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
Although DTW is getting a 2nd daily DTW-PDX flight (daytime flight) so that is a better trade-off than a 3x weekly redeye on DTW-SMF. (I actually have to go to SMF a few times this summer, but I'm just using SFO instead)

I always thought SMF was an odd choice. NW never flew SMF, but did SJC in the early 2000s.

PDX peaked at thrice-daily each with 757 equipment. Looks like the route will remain seasonal ... although this year it's planned that way, instead of the last-minute cuts we've seen in past years.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
I remember when FNT-ATL was just CR7s, then DL bumped it up to DC-9-50s and then MD-88s when they decided to start battling back against FL. Not surprised to see them pull back on capacity.

FNT-MSP is still 2x CRJ this summer, surprisingly LAN-MSP is getting bumped up to 3x CRJ this summer.

Interestingly, FNT-MSP was scheduled at 3x and LAN 2x and they simultaneously switched frequencies. I'm slightly surprised that DL's cutting ATL capacity without replacing it, since it essentially replaced much of the capacity scheduled into DTW. Connections through DTW are typically restricted on L/U/T (and other) fares, except to points in the lower Midwest & Northeast. Of course, my last four FNT-DTW flights have each been cancelled - at one point forcing me to buy a $1400 ticket on other airline, since I absolutely had to be to work ontime.



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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
The biggest news is the end of DC-9 service; all remaining DC-9-50 flights will be replaced by summer, primarily with A319 equipment. Hopefully we'll get some encore service later in the year.

THere are a couple threads around where the last DC9 routes can be found. MKE still gets them, esp ex ATL.

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
Notably Orlando will see 6 daily flights operated with 738, 4x757, 757 -- the least capacity since at least the early 1990s. This probably bonds well for Southwest's service, which will continue twice-daily with AirTran 717 at one time thought to be ending.

Until the 717s become DL planes. It will be interesting to see how the combined carrier considers DTW-FL routes in general. They tend to be lesiure routes, which are not as big as a money maker.

Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
United's sole mainline service will be a single 735 into Houston.

Sad......amazing from a DC 10 to crjs.

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 6):
Who else noticed the America West plane in the background of the picture of the united 733 and wished the America West livery was still around?

You can see the livery on US flights into MKE - you see the heritage plane occasionally. I hope that the heritiage liveries will be continued under the new AA.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
DTW-MKE goes all 2-class RJ & mainline starting in May

Good - used to be the occasional 50 seater on this route. Good sign that MKE is getting bigger I hope.

Dave



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2221 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 5):
Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 4):
What was AM's running to Mexico from DTW for the short time they were there?

AM operated DTW-MTY-MEX for about 9 months in 2008. The route began as thrice-weekly 73G service and shifted to six-weekly E90. Early indications were that the flight was performing well, but the schedule overhaul (and later equipment/frequency change) suggests otherwise.

AM also flew MEX-DTW from 1964 to 1976, with DC-8s. The flights continued on from DTW to YYZ and YUL. In the early 1970s, DTW was also served by AZ and JM. All three airlines pulled out of DTW 1974-1976.

All three airlines used the old customs facility in the basement of Concourse A, along with BOAC / British Airways, Pan Am, and TWA's international flights. I sure wish I'd been around to see it.......



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7563 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 14):
THere are a couple threads around where the last DC9 routes can be found. MKE still gets them, esp ex ATL

Yeah, the schedule is very fluid but the DC-9 days in DTW is coming to an end. It looks like they will end in ATL. The flights of course change with every schedule update. As of the last week of Feb, it appears that there were no more DC-9 flights scheduled through DTW after the second week of June. However it looks like they may have updated some equipment now further out. Sometimes its due to the default / dummy schedule.

Quoting davescj (Reply 14):
Quoting CompensateMe (Thread starter):
Notably Orlando will see 6 daily flights operated with 738, 4x757, 757 -- the least capacity since at least the early 1990s. This probably bonds well for Southwest's service, which will continue twice-daily with AirTran 717 at one time thought to be ending.

Until the 717s become DL planes. It will be interesting to see how the combined carrier considers DTW-FL routes in general. They tend to be lesiure routes, which are not as big as a money maker.

I would expect WN to continue to operate much of the legacy-FL Florida routes with 737s, adjusted for seasonal factors.


User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
It looks like they will end in ATL.

I wonder if DL won't make the last rev route ATL DTW or similar, since these DC9s were acquired from NW.

Dave



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7563 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Possible they would / could do a farewell.

As it is right now, they have not flown the DC-9 on DTW-ATL in awhile, typically now with at least MD-88s or larger.


User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1392 times:

Quoting compensateme (Reply 11):
Highlights from DL's recent updated summer schedule load:
* DC-9-50 operations will continue;
* A reversal on the decision to operate SMF - it was available for sale less than two weeks;
* A reversal on the decision to rescind some capacity to Florida;
* Further increases in mainline flying - the highest since 2010

On this AE the DC-9 pilot base closes and a 73N base opens.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 15):
All three airlines used the old customs facility in the basement of Concourse A, along with BOAC / British Airways, Pan Am, and TWA's international flights. I sure wish I'd been around to see it.......

I was. In May of 1973 I flew in from Gatwick on an ONA DC-8-63 and we rolled up next to PanAm and Alitalia 747's on the ramp.After deplaning, we were put on buses and taken to customs.The planes used to park in front of the AA freight building and it was quite a site to see 747's of PA,AZ and BA lined up along with AM's DC-8-50.On Mondays and Thursdays you could add DC-8-60's of Capitol or ONA to the line up.

Here's a link to nice site I found on facebook. Someone has recently posted some photos of the F concourse when it first opened. Great nostalgia, really brings back memories http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/VintageAirliners?fref=ts

See if this shakes a few memories. I use to have an airband with me all the time and remember this controllers voice well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6OWYzAQnD0&feature=youtu.be

[Edited 2013-03-07 11:17:08]

User currently offlineexFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1346 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 17):
Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
It looks like they will end in ATL.

I wonder if DL won't make the last rev route ATL DTW or similar, since these DC9s were acquired from NW.

IMHO, the last DC9 flight should be DTW ORD MKE MSP or some variation.



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