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767-200 C-GAUN (Gimli Glider) For Sale  
User currently onlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 25250 times:

This is one important aircraft that needs to be preserved. Air Canada's C-GAUN 767-200, more famously know as the "Gimli Glider" is being auctioned off soon. The feat the pilots pulled off to get this fuel-starved aircraft safely back on the ground, with no injuries or loss of life is truly amazing, and needs to be celebrated no less than US Airways "Hudson" A320.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...llion-192442941.html?device=mobile

This is one aircraft that does NOT deserve the pop can treatment!


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User currently offlineskysurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 25152 times:

Amazing that the pilots got it down safely and that it was able to fly again for many years. I will bid $1 so my soon to be newborn can enjoy it along with myself!
All jokes aside, i hope it is preserved as it's quite a piece of aviation history.

Cheers



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 25092 times:

I hope whoever buys it presevers it and does not scrap it. Anyone know how many cycles and hours she currently has??

KH



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 25070 times:

Hard to believe the incident happened almost 30 years ago. That is one old 767.


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User currently offlinesk736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 25037 times:
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I see absolutely no reason why the airframe should be preserved. It's just one of many aircraft that, over the years, have been involved in serious incidents.

User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2983 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 25033 times:

Just why should it be preserved?

It's a run of the mill B762 which happened to survive a forced landing which was caused by human error.

There is nothing "special" in the sense of it being ground breaking, technologically pioneering or symbolic of a new era in air travel, so I question how the expense of preserving it can be justified.

Rgds



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 24959 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 5):
Just why should it be preserved?

She should be preserved because she is famous and made history. It is not too often you can own a piece of history. Just my .02.

KH



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User currently offlinerampbro From Canada, joined Nov 2012, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 24961 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 5):
Just why should it be preserved?

Lol, nothing to see here, just a 767 that made a crazy dead-stick landing on an converted military airport that the co-pilot remembered from his Air Force days and they were lucky enough be in range of. Never mind that the nosewheel collapsed and the aircraft skidded to a stop atop a stanchion running down the middle of the piste. Or the most innocuous detail, that the Gimli Glider actually flew away from that field (after repairs).

Nope nothing special about this one.


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 24919 times:

The remarks from the executive director of the Western Canada Aviation Museum are completely idiotic:

"It's too much on what people fly today," Render said.

"Our focus is on the old planes which people don't know too much about... it would be lovely but it wouldn't be on our dream list."

Your aviation museum wouldn't want a incredibly cool piece of Canadian aviation history? Just do us all a favour and quit your job now...

[Edited 2013-02-22 10:49:19]

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1860 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 24858 times:

Aviation history, hopefully, will remember what happened that day with that aircraft. Beyond that, I don't see why it should be preserved. It's just an airliner that was involved in an incident. It's more the pilots that should not be forgotten. Otherwise we should also preserve the TS A330 that ran out of fuel over the Atlantic.


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 24797 times:

Quoting sk736 (Reply 4):
I see absolutely no reason why the airframe should be preserved. It's just one of many aircraft that, over the years, have been involved in serious incidents.
Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 5):
Just why should it be preserved?

It's a run of the mill B762 which happened to survive a forced landing which was caused by human error.

There is nothing "special" in the sense of it being ground breaking, technologically pioneering or symbolic of a new era in air travel, so I question how the expense of preserving it can be justified.

Have you no sense of history? I'm sure that there are airframes that have been preserved, in museums all over the world, that are much more obscure than this one.



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User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2248 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 24698 times:

So a few people want to see the Gimli Glider. Open up your cheque (or check) books and write a sizeable donation. Both for the purchase, transport, storage regime, refurbishment to display state, and then 20 to 30 years of upkeep, share of the overhead such as rent, light etc. and then ongoing maintenance of the display. When you add all that up in cost, is it really worth that? Do a storyboard, a video that plays on a loop, even cut the nose and cockpit off and put it in the Museum and you have the memory of the event at a fraction of the cost.

Unless you work day in and day out trying to get people to help pay for all these great ideas, or nostalgic ideas, you don't have a clue how hard it is to get people to part with their cash. Particularly for museums and displays that don't involve puppies with big eyes and needy children. Those you can rely on people's sympathy and to an extent their guilt. Museums are more cerebral and you have to work much harder.

So here is the challenge to all. Before you say someone "should" do something get your wallet ready and promise a large chunk of cash. Better yet issue a challenge to everyone you know or think would help, and raise the money yourself. Say $2 to $3 Million to cover the cost of the lifetime of the aircraft display. Then you have a right and the motivation for a museum to take on the challenge.

Or even better buy it yourselves, park it outside the museum and open up a Tim Hortons with the aircraft as seating.


User currently offlinerampbro From Canada, joined Nov 2012, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 24673 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 9):
Otherwise we should also preserve the TS A330 that ran out of fuel over the Atlantic.

Not a bad idea to put her somewhere nice, once her career as a tour-bus is over. Infield at YUL comes to mind. Given the hero status Piche and that flight hold at TS, it would not surprise me at all.

There's enough old junk to turn into pop tins. These aircraft are a testament to the fragility of flight and the human condition, and imperfection of human planning and thinking, but also to the force of will and power of intellect of the pilots and those who designed and built the aircraft.


User currently offlineSDF880 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 24158 times:

I'm an aircraft dispatcher and I usually have the Gimli Glider picture as my computer wallpaper. A nice constant reminder for me not to mess up my fuel calculations.

SDF880


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 24081 times:

How would AC feel about this aircraft in a museum? Seems like they would rather forget that incident ever happened.

Also have the TACA glider, N697SW which does not have too many more years left.



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User currently offlinevirgin747 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 23930 times:

There was a bit of discussion on the WFP site about this which is oddly powered by demand media.... Otherwise i'll just post my two cents here also.

Shirley Renders says the 767 is not really a great fit into the collection because its still to new, meanwhile theres the spirit of Delta (B767-200) on display and the definitely newer A320 from the Hudson landing. What the article doesnt say is the Muesum is looking to build a new place where the old Winnipeg International is. My opinion is that this 767 would be a great center piece at this Muesum. And just on the side, someone should ask Shirley about the CF-100 sitting outside covered in snow, thats a real shame...

Theres also talk about Air Canada donating it. Air Canada seems to be a company that celebrates itself. The evidence is that there was DC-9s they donated to various technical colleges around the country, the one in Thunder Bay repainted to its original colors. CF-TCC their 3rd airplane in the fleet sits inside the Western Canada Aviation Muesum during the Winter and flies around during the summer raising funds for Dreams Take Flight. Theres other Air Canada planes sitting at Muesums across the country.

Gimli would also be a nice place to see this plane land. But ulitimately it comes to who would be willing to open their pocket book to get it there.

As for the people who think it should be scrap metal, I guess we should also scrap the countless 747s on display and the Concordes.... This 767 has its place in history just like any of those other planes... And the Concorde and the 767 are only 6 years apart.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 23929 times:

I thought it was scrapped, wow, I wonder how much they might get for it. Being damaged goods, I imagine a discount would be in order.


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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 23907 times:

Excuse me, how many B767-200s are preserved? None? If we're going to preserve one, this one has a great story. Is there a more interesting one? Unlikely.
For all those moaning it's just tun of the mill, you're right and will continue to be right until the last one is scrapped.


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1860 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 23886 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 17):
Excuse me, how many B767-200s are preserved? None?

An answer to your question.

Quoting virgin747 (Reply 15):
meanwhile theres the spirit of Delta (B767-200)



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2983 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 23847 times:

Skipness, try The Spirit of Delta for one:

http://deltamuseum.org/M_Aircraft_B-767.htm

Rgds



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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 23835 times:

From Winnipeg Free Press article:

Quote:

Shirley Render, the museum's executive director, said while the plane landed in Gimli with empty fuel tanks almost 30 years ago, it is still too new for their collection.

"It's too much on what people fly today," Render said.

"Our focus is on the old planes which people don't know too much about... it would be lovely but it wouldn't be on our dream list."

Too new? This is a significant piece of Manitoba aviation history, and April 14 will be the one and only chance to get it. In 10 to 15 years, it might not be considered too new anymore, but if you haven't got it, you haven't got it.

With such an attitude towards this incredible opportunity, Ms. Render should consider stepping down.


Because this airplane is so well-known, I doubt serious bidders for this specific plane will be bidding for scrap. It will be interesting to see where this ends up, but it really should be WCAM in Winnpeg, or Gimli, Manitoba. But obviously any museum is better than GAUN being gone.




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User currently offlinevirgin747 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 23807 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 16):
I thought it was scrapped, wow, I wonder how much they might get for it. Being damaged goods, I imagine a discount would be in order.

I dont know if theres any AC people on the forum here that can confirm this, but I heard theres like tell tale signs of what happened that day still on the airplane.


User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 23623 times:

Quoting virgin747 (Reply 15):
meanwhile theres the spirit of Delta (B767-200)

True, but the Spirit of Delta was preserved not because of the type, but because of its symbolism...It was an aircraft purchased by the employees in a sign of their faith in Delta's management.

Quoting virgin747 (Reply 15):
and the definitely newer A320 from the Hudson landing

US 1549 was historic for a few reasons: it's extremely rare for a jet to encounter a flock of birds and lose not one, but both engines in the incident. The fact that this happened - at such a phase of flight, and over an extremely populated area - with no loss of life, or too many major injuries, made it sensational, and it also highlighted the skill of the pilots as well as the endurance of the aircraft. Remember, it was still largely in one piece even after impact (and yes, I'm aware that that was possible in part to the fact that it was a calm day on the Hudson). In any event, this incident happened through no fault of the airline or its crew. Being able to 'beat the odds' that were thrown at one by nature tends to gain a lot more attention than simply excellent piloting.

After all, deadstick landings happen - and have happened - quite often. The big (pardon the pun) difference between the Gimli Glider and other aircraft was that C-GAUN was much larger. While the pilots in question handled the emergency excellently, fault was found with the airline by Transport Canada, and (as someone else mentioned) AC probably doesn't want to draw too much attention to that.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 23624 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 20):
Because this airplane is so well-known, I doubt serious bidders for this specific plane will be bidding for scrap. It will be interesting to see where this ends up, but it really should be WCAM in Winnpeg, or Gimli, Manitoba. But obviously any museum is better than GAUN being gone.

The danger is that it might be purchased for parts. Old aircraft do not have much value as scrap but since there are still a few 762s still operating that need parts. AA and UA are still flying them and UA's may fly a little longer than expected due to the 787 snafu.


User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 23157 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 23):
The danger is that it might be purchased for parts. Old aircraft do not have much value as scrap but since there are still a few 762s still operating that need parts.

That is also the way a museum can offset the intial purchase costs - sell off engines, actuators etc. parts that will never be required once the airplane is on display. With the engines and other mechanical parts having been changed several times throughout the life of the airplane, there is no specific historical significance, but in running/rebuildable condition they are far more valuable in dollars than the fuselage (which is the historically-valuable part of C-GAUN). I see no problem with this approach.

Also consider the number of 767-200s being scrapped and available for part-out anyway... there should be no shortage of parts. There are always airplanes being auctioned. The auction for this one made the news for a reason.



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25 Polot : Is it really though? How many people outside of aviation enthusiast remember this incident, and know that the airplane was repaired and still flying?
26 longhauler : I have flown it a few times, and no there is nothing unusual about that aircraft. The only thing that made it stick out, is that it was one of the fe
27 Post contains images 71Zulu : English anybody?
28 Post contains images skipness1E : What a shame there's such negativity on here. So there's one B767-200 preserved on the planet, yet so many enthusiasts are looking for reasons not to
29 Post contains images NASBWI : I wouldn't get too emotional about it just yet, skipness. After all, for that one 762 that's preserved, a great many others are still flying - in pas
30 Aesma : Personally I don't mind if it's preserved, after all I will not be paying for it. But I question the appeal of that specific aircraft, the story is in
31 Goose : I'm not all hot and bothered to preserve C-GAUN, but this is really typical of Canadian aviation museums. Remember the fracas over the Lockheed Const
32 longhauler : Sad but true, and ... it continues. Air museums all over Canada, with some very interesting aircraft are threatened with being shut down and the airc
33 Post contains images Goose : It was actually worse than that - the Toronto Aviation Museum actively worked to block the Museum of Flight from exporting the aircraft from Canada,
34 longhauler : During the investigations, fault kept bouncing around the table. There were so many "gotchas" with respect to this incident, it is almost frightening
35 longhauler : As always, the edit function does not work ... I wont bother.
36 Post contains images Fiedman : A couple reasons that this aircraft should be preserved. First, the first 767 was delivered only 10 months prior to the incident, and was the first ma
37 longhauler : This March, this "new" aircraft will be 30 years old. The "old" Viscount that is sitting in their hanger was barely more than 20 years old when it en
38 Goose : Yep, you got it -- money and available space are always two things in short supply with most museums I've known. And finding the space to park a 767
39 upcfordcruiser : Turn it into commemorative Pepsi cans.
40 AY-MD11 : What happened to those wrecks? are they somewhere on show or scrapped?
41 soon7x7 : Yep...always some blowhards here... The idea of preserving an airframe that was a stepping stone in aviation history is never a mistake however insig
42 666wizard : I have an idea that the fuselage of the PA103 747 is at the AAIB site at Farnborough, UK, and is now used for investigator instruction. I believe TWA
43 rwy04lga : I've often wondered if this was the plane on which I took my first flight. December 21, 1957 YUL-TPA. Can anyone confirm that (or not)?
44 Post contains links ZANL188 : TWA 800 is at the NTSB Training Center. http://www.ntsb.gov/TC/facilityloc.htm
45 DTWPurserBoy : DL has preserved The Spirit of Delta in the museum hangar in ATL. Several days during the week she is open for viewing with retirees acting as guides
46 mayor : I had heard the same thing when I worked at DL, but I'm thinking that it was towards the end of her career. I don't think the other 767-200s were imm
47 longhauler : On December 21 1957, TCA had 11 L1049Gs (with one more having just arrived), so you have a 1 in 11 chance. Certainly better than Lotto 6/49! Historic
48 AmericanAirFan : Might not seem like history now, but in 50 years it will be quite historical, and much more historically significant than other 767-200s that are out
49 longhauler : I am always heartened to see airlines recognize the importance of the past, even during tough economic times. DL, as mentioned, also the AA CR Smith
50 Post contains links Skydrol : I'm also kInd of surprised by some of the negative attitudes from apparent aviation enthusiasts. It's not like people are stating several aircraft of
51 yyz717 : The Gimli Glider is one of the sickening "Canadiana" stories that makes me want to puke. Let this rust-bucket, clapped-out 762 rest in peace in Marana
52 bmacleod : I'm sure YWG could spare or create some hangar space if there is serious interest in preserving C-GAUN. Truly a remarkable aircraft.... BTW on same su
53 Post contains images Skydrol : Here we have it folks, words of a true aviation enthusiast! Obviously more than the usual quantity of piss in someone's cornflakes this morning. ✈
54 Post contains images yyz717 : A remarkable aircraft? Not at all. Its a run-of-the-mill early model 762 best forgotten. The whole incident was embarassing to AC and an indictment o
55 Skydrol : Totally agree, the early 767-200 which 604 is may have been run of the mill, but I wouldn't say best forgotten. They were not uncomfortable at all to
56 Post contains images mayor : I don't think I want to hear what he thinks of the one that DL has on display.
57 yyz717 : The Spirit of Delta? DL employees paid for that 762 with wage reductions enabling DL to buy it in 1982. A good example of mgmt/employee cooperation.
58 mayor : I know.....I was one of those employees. DL donated the space to the museum and it's serviced by volunteers and paid for with donations and sales of
59 KC135TopBoom : Didn't AC try to place blame fully on the pilots and mechanics? I seem to recall they were all suspended, without pay, and all demoted for a while. Th
60 longhauler : Inistially yes, then a lot of crow was eaten when everything was reviewed. Back pay was restored and positions regained ... with a very big apology.
61 rikkus67 : Ironically, Air Canada ended up buying PWA's two 767's... The set of circumstances that forced this particular plane down...and the fact that it was r
62 Skydrol : Well, until now, nobody had officially stated the airplane was for sale; I believe Air Canada still owns it. Nobody is going to collect cash for a mu
63 RussianJet : That is definitely, in the circumstances, one of the most REMARKABLE things about the situation as a whole.
64 Pellegrine : I really kind of like it, but $2.5-3 million is way too much for a museum or a private person to buy this which doesn't even hold any value at all bey
65 longhauler : A few years ago, I was visiting the Canada Air and Space Museum at Rockliffe (Ottawa). Among the aircraft displays were a lot of interactive displays
66 Post contains links and images bmacleod : If C-GAUN is to be preserved, I hope it gets repainted in the 1980 red white livery. View Large View MediumPhoto © Ted Quackenbush
67 pnwtraveler : The Canada Museum of Aviation and Space would be the only Museum with any chance of enough money to maintain the aircraft. And AC would likely have to
68 DTWPurserBoy : Boy, I wish some farsighted airline had the money and space to have preserved a Stratocruiser! There are some C-97's at various military museums but
69 71Zulu : Wow that is tacky. What does the script on the tail say?
70 longhauler : I agree ... but, minus the .... "Singapore '85" All of AC's aircraft had that written on the tail, when AC started the LHR-BOM-SIN route.
71 HorizonGirl : In my many years on these boards, I have never been one for negativity of this sort. But having made my position on this matter clear many times, I c
72 mayor : I believe that is what DL did, when they put The Spirit of Delta on display.
73 Post contains links and images YVRLTN : I think AC would have to donate the aircraft for it to be preserved. But is she even airworthy? This is the last photo I can find in the db, I assume
74 HorizonGirl : Exactly. I see no reason why she needs to be airworthy again. As much as I'd love to see C-GAUN fly once more, if it in any way jeopardizes the econo
75 richierich : The remains of PA103 were reconstructed and stayed that way for a number of years during the criminal proceedings. Since then, they have been dismant
76 Post contains links and images BlueShamu330s : Correct. Still languishing in a scrapyard: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...light-lie-abandoned-scrapyard.html What is particularly disgusting
77 richierich : Thanks! (Isn't this article from 5 years ago? I wonder if they are still there...) Some people are sick for sure. Pan Am memorabilia, yes. Anything f
78 canadianpylon : YWG has a fairly large chunk of tarmac where the old terminal was standing that could build a museum of sorts to air travel. Winnipeg has a rich histo
79 BlueShamu330s : I would guess so; I suspect the screen grab I took off Google is showing data from last year's big aerial survey. Rgds
80 yyz717 : I agree with you on this point. It's a shame none survived. Using that argument though, it makes no sense to preserve an ex-AC 762 since there are ot
81 Post contains images Skydrol : According to you. Fortunately there are quite a few other people in the world. Strange, the amount of hate you have towards this airplane, which did
82 longhauler : Just out of interest, a B767-200, with 10,000 Kgs of fuel, crew and nothing else, would have a landing roll from 50' to stop of 2280'! That is not ta
83 Post contains images NorthStarDC4M : C-GAUN should be preserved. Best place for it IMHO is as a static display in WInnipeg or better yet, Gimli. YEs in Gimli it wouldn't get a lot of atte
84 United727 : Not to go off topic, but that Convair 880 in Memphis is a complete disgrace in it's current "chopped up condition" with the wings reattached with met
85 Post contains links and images mayor : And that same a/c is an ex-DL aircraft, the same one as in the famous photo: View Large View MediumPhoto © Larry Pullen
86 Post contains images pnwtraveler : Let me know when that happens. I have a list of museums who will meet with you in under a week . I would love to see the cockpit and maybe nose secti
87 Post contains images NorthStarDC4M : I flew on the GG twice, YYZ-YYC and YHZ-YYZ, On the YHZ flight after landing the F/A made a P/A thanking everyone for flying on the Gimli Glider, so
88 DL_Mech : Along with the holes corroded through the fuselage skin. Comparisons with the Swissair 990 at Lucerne is like night vs. day.
89 Viscount724 : After AC donated a DC-9-32 to the Canadian Aviation Museum and delivered it to YRO's 3,300 ft. runway in September 2002, AC's then-senior director of
90 Post contains images yyz717 : There are some great videos on youtube of South African landing a 742 and 747SP at a small airfield for final preservation. Also an Interflug IL-62 l
91 Post contains images Kaiarahi : Yep - I flew jump seat LHR-YMX in 1990 with the captain (I've forgotten his name and don't have my logbook handy). He was also a gliding instructor a
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