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New Russian Fleet For Cubana  
User currently offlinesibille From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 477 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16451 times:

According aviaport.ru, Cubana will receive two Tu-204SM, three Il-96-400 (converted from cargo to fit 350 passengers) and three An-158 (already ordered).
Maybe a second chance for the Tu-204SM after the Red Wings problems and a second chance for the Il-96-400 passengers...........



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Russia partially write off the debt of Cuba in the $ 30 billion, and Havana continue purchasing Russian aircraft
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Russia is close to completing negotiations on the settlement of long-term debt outstanding Soviet debtor - Cuba. Debt is estimated at $ 30 billion, part of the sum will be written off, but Cuba will buy Russian Tu-204SM - on Russian loans and under the guarantees.

Russia will write off part of Cuba's Soviet debt and restructure the rest for 10 years. The total amount of debt - $ 30 billion in addition, "Ilyushin Finance" will take loans from Russian banks to provide financial leasing aircraft to Cuba. The relevant agreements were signed on Thursday in Havana after meeting Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and Raul Castro. To determine the amounts written off and refinanced debt was planned before September of this year, said the head of Industry and Trade of Russia Denis Manturov.

Negotiations to settle the Cuban debt stalled in the mid-2000s. Moscow then evaluated the debt at $ 16-25 billion, and the debt is not recognized Havana. As a result, in 2006 Russia's Finance Ministry said the talks are postponed indefinitely. Then during a visit to Cuba by Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov Havana gave another loan of $ 350 million, and the debt - $ 160 million - was allowed to pay for 10 years with a grace period of four years.

Cuba - the largest debtor Russia since Soviet times. In the 2000s, Moscow forgave debts of several countries, including Iraq, Libya, Mongolia, Syria, Afghanistan.

In addition, Russia is modernizing fleet Cuba and give her including Tu-204SM, have yet to complete testing and certification. Previously, Cuba had already purchased three An-158, another three signed an option: these ships will be commissioned in March, June and August. Agreement on financial leasing, will deliver three Il-96-400 in the build up to 350 seats. They will be remade from the cargo version, explained Manturov. Under the delivery of planes "Ilyushin Finance" under the state guarantees of the Russian government will take the credit in Russian banks, which the Cuban side will repay over 10 years. The air fleet of the airline Cubana de Aviacion has also added two Tu-204SM. In addition, Havana buy parts for the maintenance of existing aircraft in service.

The total value of the contracts for the supply of Russian planes to Cuba - about $ 650 million

Now Cubana de Aviacion fleet consists of 12 passenger aircraft, including two Il-96-300 and two Tu-204-100E. IL-96-300 were purchased in 2004 for $ 110 million and 85% was financed by a loan Roseximbank.

Medvedev's visit to Havana began with a traditional foreign leaders laying wreaths at the monument to the revolution hero Jose Marti. The talks were held in a palace revolution (the Russian delegation admitted they feel the spirit of Soviet times).

Foreign leaders come to Cuba is not often, except for treatment with cancer of the Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

At the signing ceremony Castro tried to show special favor to Moscow. "Hello, comrades," - he said to the audience before the signing ceremony. It looks like he just remembered this phrase: goodbye to Cuban leader also said hello to all.

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6940 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16448 times:

Quoting sibille (Thread starter):
three Il-96-400 (converted from cargo to fit 350 passengers)

converted FROM Cargo? I've never heard of this happening in my entire life. Were these originally delivered as cargo jets? What about the windows?

-Zach



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Australia, joined Jan 2013, 1393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16376 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
converted FROM Cargo? I've never heard of this happening in my entire life.

I've read that the last two DC-10 built were freighter for FedEx, but since the company canceled the order for these two, they were converted to PAX and sold to BG and WG. Note sure if they were complete when the order was canceled. This could be a precedent.



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User currently offlinesibille From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16334 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Quoting sibille (Thread starter):
three Il-96-400 (converted from cargo to fit 350 passengers)

converted FROM Cargo? I've never heard of this happening in my entire life. Were these originally delivered as cargo jets? What about the windows?

-Zach

And I think the Saha 707 wich are currently flying as passenger aircrafts were previously flying as tankers for Iranian airforce....... So, everything's possible  


User currently offlineBureaucromancer From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16073 times:

Aren't the windows on even factory cargo aircraft generally just plugged to avoid having redesign the fuse without frames for them?

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15995 times:

How about any orders for the SSJ? Seems like it would be perfect for intra-carribean flights and to northern South America. Even to the US if the embargo ever gets lifted!  But it really is nice to see more orders for more Russian jets.

Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 4):
Aren't the windows on even factory cargo aircraft generally just plugged to avoid having redesign the fuse without frames for them?

No. You can tell new cargo aircraft have a seamless fuselage. Like factory made MD11s and even new 777Fs. You can tell they are conversions when the windows are plugged, which you can se on some FX planes.

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User currently offlineirshava From Ukraine, joined Oct 2011, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15947 times:

Quoting sibille (Thread starter):
An-158 (already ordered)

Antonov aircraft are Ukrainian-made.  



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3115 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15791 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
converted FROM Cargo? I've never heard of this happening in my entire life. Were these originally delivered as cargo jets? What about the windows?

I'm assuming you can't just whip out a Sawzall and go at it.

[Edited 2013-02-23 19:13:59]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6940 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15650 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 7):
I'm assuming you can't just whip out a Sawzall and go at it.

Well obviously it's more complicated than that   



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User currently offlineN747PE From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15588 times:

Nice to see they are getting new equipment

[Edited 2013-02-23 20:28:18]

User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15171 times:

Quoting irshava (Reply 6):

Antonov aircraft are Ukrainian-made.

But these ones are built by United Aircraft Corporation in Voronezh Russia  


User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14577 times:

I'm wondering if the IL96-400 will have the range to do HAV - MAD/CDG/LGW direct, let alone HAV - SVO.
Agree that the SSJ100 should have been a useful addition to their domestic and local Caribbean services.


User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13988 times:

Will the ll-96s be new build's or from Polet (who have four at present)?


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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1800 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13988 times:
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So where are these -400's coming from then? As far as I know the only airline flying the -400 freighter is Polet..

Martijn



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Australia, joined Jan 2013, 1393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13859 times:

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 13):
As far as I know the only airline flying the -400 freighter is Polet..

Maybe there are some white tails.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4067 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12889 times:

As long as they have those little electric fans in the Cockpit they'll be good..


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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1001 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12813 times:

That sounds awesome. When I finish my education around here and can finally travel as much as I want I'm sure going to visit Cuba again and fly there using this rare Russian metal.


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User currently offlineajhYXE From Canada, joined May 2011, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
Well obviously it's more complicated than that

Many early 747 operators chose to modify their aircraft by adding windows to the upper deck. However I would imagine adding windows down the entire length of the passenger compartment and the need to install additional doors may complicate the process considerably.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12398 times:

Where would these birds fly to?

User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12126 times:

Il-96 to London again?


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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10175 times:

Turning a cargo aircraft into a passenger one is unusual but not completely unprecedented, there are the 747-400 combis being turned into full passenger configuration and various high-wing military transports carrying rows of seats at least on a temporary basis. Though it could also mean converting the Il-96-400 cargo design into a passenger aircraft, right? One other thing is that as far as I'm aware all Il-96-400s currently built are already flying for Polet Airlines, so presumably they would have some level of input upon this whole process. 

User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2042 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9950 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 5):
How about any orders for the SSJ? Seems like it would be perfect for intra-carribean flights and to northern South America. Even to the US if the embargo ever gets lifted! But it really is nice to see more orders for more Russian jets.
Quoting TC957 (Reply 11):
Agree that the SSJ100 should have been a useful addition to their domestic and local Caribbean services.

The Superjet has a lot of western technology in it, including things from US suppliers such as Honeywell, BE Aerospace, and Hamilton Sundstrand. Other western suppliers such as Thales and Snecma also might not be comfortable with Cubana getting the SSJ if it causes issues with their US operations.


User currently offlinecubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 397 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8221 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 16):
and fly there using this rare Russian metal.

Okay, just a little "tongue in cheek" question. What are we going to call an airline's B787 (positively assuming they return to flight soon) or the A350? Boeing/Airbus Carbon/Plastic/Fiber?   


User currently offlinejetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8080 times:

I wonder if these new planes will finally have Aol dial up for IFE,s  


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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7964 times:

Could the Sukhoi Superjet be a possibility for Cuba? It seems like it would fit the bill for 2-3 hour flights to surrounding countries. Is it ETOPS certified?


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25 Polot : As I mentioned before, the amount of US content in the SSJ probably makes it a no-go.
26 AllegiantFlyer : More carriers should get Russian built aircraft.They are so much better looking in my opinion and have a strong curb appeal.
27 Trijetsonly : Will that be the first ever IL-96-400, used as a passenger plane? I'm pretty sure now, where to spend my holidays (again) when they receive their firs
28 Newark727 : As far as I'm aware. They have the Il-96-300 already, and in the mid-90s various ideas were floated for a longer Il-96 with Western gear, but the onl
29 Post contains images UA735WL : There actually was a stretched Il-96 variant with western avionics & engines. ...it was called the Il-96M. The only example built was a rebuild o
30 Post contains images Newark727 : That's basically how I understood it, but information about Russian aviation programs can be a bit murky so I didn't want to suggest I had a definiti
31 AirbusA6 : What a bizarre state of affairs when Cubana is 'forced' to buy Russian airliners that Russian airlines barely want either! At least in the old days, t
32 enilria : Previously I would never have considered flying on Cubana and now I would not even want my corpse transported on Cubana. "Comrade, you not need window
33 pvjin : Why not? They are not any less safe than western made jets, they look more interesting and have nice friendly Cuban cabin crew and destination or ori
34 Viscount724 : Combis were designed to permit that. If you do some further research I think you will find that's not correct.
35 pvjin : Majority of the crashes have been caused by either human error or bad maintenance. Especially old soviet birds have been operated in very harsh condi
36 TK1244 : So tell us, what makes Russian planes less safe compared to their western counterparts??? They are less efficient? Yes They have bad after sales supp
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