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DL 717 Fleet Growth  
User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 707 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16312 times:

Once the DL gets their hands on FL's 717s, would they be looking to grow it from the 88 planes or keep it flat? If they choose to grow there a few 717s around the world begging to be flown again. Along with the airlines who are currently flying these birds but will happily shed them DL if they get a good deal. But that adds another question would DL be willing to put the $$$ into these birds to make them airworthy again??

Example of some the 717s around the world that are on long term vacations

12 + 717s (from Midwest, TWA, & Mexicana Click @ VCV)
7 (from Turkmenistan)

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User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3299 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16291 times:

I think it depends on how the integration of the 88 goes. If it is as successful as DL hopes, odds are they'll look to add frames.

User currently offlineDLDiamondboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16137 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 1):

I can see DL making it work since they are happy with the MD-90's.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16034 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Thread starter):
12 + 717s (from Midwest, TWA, & Mexicana Click @ VCV)
7 (from Turkmenistan)

QF has just taken 5, I think former Click frames but it might have been Turkmenistan.

Either way, 5 have just left the market.



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1546 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15720 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
QF has just taken 5, I think former Click frames but it might have been Turkmenistan.

Interesting. Does anyone know for certain where these 5 are coming from?

This is the breakdown of 717s AFAIK:

88 FL/WN/DL
18 HA
13 QF
9 Volotea
9 Blue1
7 Turk.
11 ex-Click (in storage)
155 total

I thought Volotea was supposed to take the last 11 ex-Click birds but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that changed.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11259 times:
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I still maintain that the DL 717's would be a great fit to their west-coast operations.

User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11235 times:

I wish the MD-80 line would have stayed I love the 2x3 seating...

User currently offlinesxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11096 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Thread starter):
12 + 717s (from Midwest, TWA, & Mexicana Click @ VCV)

These aircraft are not on the market. Not sure where they're going, but they are not being marketed/offered.


User currently offlinecv880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10969 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
I still maintain that the DL 717's would be a great fit to their west-coast operations.

A bigger, more comfortable aircraft that may signal some stability (or permanency) in the West Coast markets, rather than the "here today, gone tomorrow" RJ's.


User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9772 times:

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 6):
I wish the MD-80 line would have stayed I love the 2x3 seating...

Same here, it gives you options to play with when seating pax. 2-3, good idea.
And I like those 2 hair dryer jets in the back, awesome stuff.



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1683 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

I liked the way DL "flipped" the 2 x 3 seating with the two on a/c right and threeon a/c left. This way it made for a large workable aft galley. Unfortunately, these have now all been removed and seats added.

The MD-90's came with the traditional seating. The overhead bins can get a little tricky and they fill up fast.



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User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8544 times:
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Will DL re-register the 717 from the AT regs. into into a DL series reg.?


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User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7915 times:
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Quoting bigbird (Reply 11):

That is usually not what they do, my bet is the regs stay the same.


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7803 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
The MD-90's came with the traditional seating. The overhead bins can get a little tricky and they fill up fast.

At least they now have the extended overhead bins like the MD-88s, so the bins don't fill quite as fast.


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7684 times:

Do they have 3+3 seating on the 717? I thought it was always 3+2 across.

User currently offlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 14):

It will be 2+3 in Economy/Economy Comfort and 2+2 in First.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1683 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

Never understood why DL could care less about the reg numbers. They just keep what is on it. Might be a cost item,I suppose.

I remember the grumbling when US started using the "US" suffix on their numbers which NW had used for years.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1683 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7260 times:

Did I miss someting? Did DL say they were taking FL's 717's? I am usually more with it.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6019 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):

Did I miss someting? Did DL say they were taking FL's 717's? I am usually more with it.

They are leasing all 88 of them from WN...the first few should start arriving during Q3 IIRC.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
They are leasing all 88 of them from WN...the first few should start arriving during Q3 IIRC.

Are they leasing them from WN? I thought they were going through Boeing...



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinetan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7103 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
I still maintain that the DL 717's would be a great fit to their west-coast operations.

I concur! I would think that easily 10-15 frames could be based at SLC and replace RJ's to a number of stations, Such as FAT. It would also add a bit of flexibilty to service levels at non-peak times to larger cities. By scheduling a couple a day thru such spots as DTW/MSP or even STL they could be rotated to ATL for checks.

DL would be wise to consider as the combined AA/US will be formidible competitior in many western markets.


User currently offlinemplsjefe From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7072 times:
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Quoting tan flyr (Reply 20):

I concur! I would think that easily 10-15 frames could be based at SLC and replace RJ's to a number of stations, Such as FAT. It would also add a bit of flexibilty to service levels at non-peak times to larger cities. By scheduling a couple a day thru such spots as DTW/MSP or even STL they could be rotated to ATL for checks.

Doesn't DL now do MD88/90 checks at MSP? If yes, I would assume they would do the 717 checks there as well?

[Edited 2013-02-24 18:21:06]

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6019 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
Are they leasing them from WN? I thought they were going through Boeing...

Boeing is kicking in about $40M (ontop of WNs $100M) to reconfigure the aircraft to DLs specs. The aircraft are being subleased from WN to DL....I am sure Boeing Capital owns most of the 712s and leases them to WN.



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2378 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

I predict DL will begin buying the 717s and owning outright, as they begin to come off lease in 2017. During this time, a large number will be acquired secondhand as well. While the majority will be used for active service, some will be parted out prematurely to fortify the long term future of the greater fleet. An active fleet of 100-120 frames.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 22):
Boeing is kicking in about $40M (ontop of WNs $100M) to reconfigure the aircraft to DLs specs.

Lol DL sure did a good job negotiating that deal



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
25 B727FA : There is a cost associated with re-registration that DL usually prefers to skip.
26 Coronado : NWA was exactly the same. I think Delta just this past month retired N401EA, who would have thought Delta operating an aircraft with Eastern Airlines
27 infiniti329 : WN is subleasing them to DL. WN is the actual lease holder for the 88 717's
28 FlyASAGuy2005 : They don't care. The N registrations will not change. All Delta cares about are the fleet numbers. This is really what everyone within the company kn
29 United1 : Potentially it depends on the lease rates that DL got for the aircraft...
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : Apparently, deliveries for 2013 is being expedited. Initially, about 8 were to be offloaded. Now the number is 16.
31 woodsboy : Ive always that it was interesting that an aircraft keeps its original reg#, you have an immediate idea of where that plane started and its history. O
32 MIflyer12 : Sixteen was the number cited in the July 2012, Delta press release.
33 Newark727 : Two of the ex-Hello MD-90s (planespotters.net says 9218 and 9219 but they've been wrong before) used more than one N-reg as they entered Delta servic
34 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : The only reason for Delta to re register an aircraft is if the aircraft was registered from foreign country and it does NOT have a US registration beg
35 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : I think, but could be wrong, that Northwest Airlines paid the FAA for the exclusive right to use the US suffix on their aircraft N number registratio
36 antoniemey : They also re-registered a couple of 88s that had been erroneously registered out of sequence when originally delivered, but both registrations remain
37 TZTriStar500 : The 13 with QF Link are actually operated by Cobham and QF has stated they will be adding 5 more. The 11 ex-MX Click & YX birds were held by BCC
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : My mistake. I thought there were originally suppose to be 8 conversions for 2013.
39 DTWPurserBoy : I don't believe you can pay an arm of the federal government for exclusive rights to a tail number. You can "reserve" them. What may have more to do
40 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Your response is most likely the correct scenario. The first Northwest aircraft that used the US suffix in their N number was the six DC-8s operated.
41 Post contains images dtw9 : Someone is selling these on e-bay for $18. Get your copy now [Edited 2013-03-03 18:31:02]
42 B727FA : That would be interesting to see...wonder what's inside! Thanks for sharing!
43 DTWPurserBoy : I would have to check the exact delivery dates but my vote would be for the Lockheed Electra as the first frames to have the "US" suffix. IIRC the El
44 GSPSPOT : EXACTLY! Same here. I always look for MD80-series or 767 a/c for medium-to-long-haul flights just so there will be some seats on the "2" side in the
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