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No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9177 times:

This may seem like a silly question, but why do know US airlines have cupholders on the tray tables or seat backs in Y? It seems that most foreign airlines have these installed in their seats in Y. I would have thought that the new AA 773 would have had this feature.

Do they not have them out of cost, or is it a safety reason?


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9190 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
This may seem like a silly question, but why do know US airlines have cupholders on the tray tables or seat backs in Y? It seems that most foreign airlines have these installed in their seats in Y

Do you mean the indent on the tray? Or an actual cup holder? I've never seen an actual cup holder on a flight in my life. The closest I have seen is the water bottle holder on Aer Lingus Business Class seats...



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17508 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9174 times:

Seems like something that is just begging to be constantly broken...


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9161 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
Or an actual cup holder? I've never seen an actual cup holder on a flight in my life.

I think he's talking about something like this, which you can see on this AF A320:


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
It seems that most foreign airlines have these installed in their seats in Y.

What airlines are you referring to? I've only ever seen them on AF, and they're fragile and easily broken. Just another unnecessary maintenance burden in my opinion. These days the fewer things that require maintenance the better.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9117 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Seems like something that is just begging to be constantly broken...

Okay. That makes a lot of sense. The only time I flew on a plane that I had one, the whole "holder" per say was really just flimsy plastic that could probably be easily broken.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
Do you mean the indent on the tray?

It's usually a plastic holder that folds out from either the tray or the seat back. Do a quick cabin search and you'll find plenty examples.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9100 times:

I seen those on Emirates, Qatar Airways, and, Air France.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):

LH, KE, SQ, LAN, AF, EX, CX, OS, ANA, TAM, JAL, LX....I could continue, but I'd say most airlines have them.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9022 times:
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Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
LH, KE, SQ, LAN, AF, EX, CX, OS, ANA, TAM, JAL, LX....I could continue, but I'd say most airlines have them.

Every Y seat on LAN's brand new 763s and 787s now has two cup holders.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9021 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
LH, KE, SQ, LAN, AF, EX, CX, OS, ANA, TAM, JAL, LX....I could continue, but I'd say most airlines have them.

Interesting, I fly all the time and have never seen them. Or maybe once... and that's flying QF, AA, EI, FR, BA, U2, AY, CX, RJ, UA, AS, RE, SN... so saying that "I'd say most airlines have them" is pretty wrong.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9010 times:

They may be an extra item, but they do provide a lot of comfort for their price, which must be pennies. You always have somewhere to put your drink, you also have a place for your empty cup and that empty cup also serves as a receptacle for your gum papers, the plastic wrappers from the meal tray and all those used napkins - fewer of which will have to be removed from seat pockets after the flight.

The ones on LH seem to be as easily replaced as they are broken and removed. Put a dozen of these light, cheap and safety-irrelevant parts somewhere in the galley, show the F/As how to replace them and bang, that's maintenance taken care of - or does even that sort of thing have to be "installed" by a certified mechanic?



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8968 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
CX,

Clearly visible on CX in this trip report:

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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 779 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Slightly off topic, but in line with seat details... why do US airlines, exception may be UA long haul, not use the (usually white) headrest protectors (attached to top of seat with velcro)?

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
Interesting, I fly all the time and have never seen them. Or maybe once... and that's flying QF, AA, EI, FR, BA, U2, AY, CX, RJ, UA, AS, RE, SN... so saying that "I'd say most airlines have them" is pretty wrong.

I also think it depends on whether your flying on a long-haul aircraft, or a short-haul aircraft.

RJ, CX, SN all have them on their long haul aircraft.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):


LH, KE, SQ, LAN, AF, EX, CX, OS, ANA, TAM, JAL, LX....I could continue, but I'd say most airlines have them.

I've flown on LH and LX within the past month and can't recall seeing any cupholders.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8824 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
I've flown on LH and LX within the past month and can't recall seeing any cupholders.

Again, it all depends on whether you fly an long-haul aircraft or not.

LH 748: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufth...d=6d2d482cd7d132c6ead8e90eac241cd9
LH A333: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufth...d=6d2d482cd7d132c6ead8e90eac241cd9

LX A343: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Swiss...d=158852f67c2d49a5f1e99e7472f1a8d3



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8793 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
I've flown on LH and LX within the past month and can't recall seeing any cupholders.

Again, it all depends on whether you fly an long-haul aircraft or not.

All shorthaul. Can't recall them on KL 737s, E-190s, Fokker 70s or LH A320s.

In any case, what's the point of the cupholder when you have a meal tray that works just as well?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8785 times:
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Quoting aloges (Reply 10):
They may be an extra item, but they do provide a lot of comfort for their price, which must be pennies. You always have somewhere to put your drink, you also have a place for your empty cup and that empty cup also serves as a receptacle for your gum papers, the plastic wrappers from the meal tray and all those used napkins - fewer of which will have to be removed from seat pockets after the flight.

Very accurate statement! Also, LAN's decision to instal two individual cup holders in every seat in Y on its new widebody a/c ensures that one cup holder is always accessible during the flight.



User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8720 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
In any case, what's the point of the cupholder when you have a meal tray that works just as well?

The cup holder is better at holding the cup, e.g. you can hardly knock a cup off it. It also takes up far less of what little space you get in an economy seat.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8705 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
what's the point of the cupholder when you have a meal tray that works just as well?

So when you have just a drink, you don't have to put the tray down. I hate having my table down, but I am often forced to when I have a drink.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8550 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
what's the point of the cupholder when you have a meal tray that works just as well?

So when you have just a drink, you don't have to put the tray down. I hate having my table down, but I am often forced to when I have a drink.

I've always been reluctant to use the AF cupholders as they look so flimsy. Also, if the passenger in front reclines the seatback suddenly it could slosh the contents of the drink onto your lap. That's much less likely if your drink is on the meal tray as it doesn't move when the seatback is reclined, unlike the cupholder which is attached to the seatback.


User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8423 times:
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I think that if you were to look at the frequencies per day per airplane and the Number of airplanes it most USA based fleets you might see that the cup holder won't pass Muster in the additional expense of installing and maintaining them.

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17508 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8278 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 10):
show the F/As how to replace them and bang, that's maintenance taken care of - or does even that sort of thing have to be "installed" by a certified mechanic?

I'm pretty sure that would violate at least two contracts 



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User currently onlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8186 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):

Do they not have them out of cost, or is it a safety reason?
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 21):
I think that if you were to look at the frequencies per day per airplane and the Number of airplanes it most USA based fleets you might see that the cup holder won't pass Muster in the additional expense of installing and maintaining them.

Of course there's an additional cost! Many non-US carriershave the cupholders (as shown in the pics above) so it's clear they're willing to invest a small amount in their Y product to improve customer satisfaction. When it comes to US airlines decision not to invest, it's probably purely based on some bean counter's recommendation.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7916 times:

Americans and their mania for cup-holders.

It reminds me of Bill Bryson's book about returning to the USA after years in England. He was particularly tickled by the guy who took his brand-new desktop computer back to the store "because the cup-holder had broken". It was, of course, the CD-ROM drive.

Why would any airline choose to install an appendage which was so easy to break? I watched Australian state TV's expose last week of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter debacle, and the problem was the same: when a product has been designed with too many parts which can malfunction the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.


25 OB1504 : This is because customers in the United States don't care about satisfaction, they care about price. Would you pay more than you had to just to fly a
26 bohica : ACA had cup holders on their J41 aircraft. The biggest problem with them was that when opened, they were too close to the seat back and the angle of t
27 airportugal310 : What is it with people and "bean counters" on this site? Signed, A bean counter
28 spacecadet : You realize this is about how everybody *but* US airlines has cup-holders installed, right? This seems it would be more about the rest of the world's
29 Post contains images N243NW : Was it A Walk in the Woods, by any chance? Great book. Until a US airline can prove beyond reasonable doubt that passengers will view the addition of
30 Post contains images Schweigend : Yes! That would be the main thing for me, too. In coach class, there is nowhere to set your drink, unless the tray table is down, which can be cumber
31 TSS : Agreed. At the end of the armrest more or less where the individual ash trays used to be (and where some seats now have plates blocking off the forme
32 YLWbased : CX and RJ have them forever, so you're wrong. YLWbased
33 cmf : Pretty sure US based airplanes average less number of flights than European due to longer average flight length. Also doubt there is much difference
34 LH422 : My main reason for liking the cupholder is to be able to get out of the seat before my drink has been emptied or collected. I can see why people are
35 toobz : Love these!! I guess if you have never had a flight with them it may be hard to grasp why they are great. A lot if times you only have a drink in fron
36 B2468 : MU has the cup holders on its 346 aircraft. Yeah, they are pretty damned flimsy...I have probably repaired at least half a dozen cup holders that were
37 B777LRF : SK used to have cupholders as well on the MD80s. Don't know what the case is on the Airbii or Boeings, but they're not to be found on the CRJs. Always
38 DTW2HYD : Because anything smaller than 24oz is not acceptable here.
39 max999 : I believe 'cost management professionals' have a more difficult time making business recommendations based on factors which are more qualitative in n
40 max999 : Cupholders are just a minor item when it comes to the entire flying experience. If the seat has them, it's a sign that the airline invests in its pro
41 MaverickM11 : Customers everywhere care about price, it's not just the US. They all *say* they care about service, but they aren't willing to pay a dime extra for
42 Post contains links and images debonair : What about... View Large View MediumPhoto © Allen Yao
43 Post contains links and images kgaiflyer : Yes, I remember that. And I remember one particularly turbulent IAD-EWR flight where everyone in the last couple rows wore their beverages off the pl
44 Post contains images asctty : Jet2 have had fold down metal cup holders for ages since they installed the slimline seats - which are very comfortable on short-haul by the way! [Edi
45 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : At least those cup holders come in handy, unlike the electronically tinted windows on the 787, which allow the crew to override pax and darken them h
46 strfyr51 : You can make BOOK that a Bean counter would veto it! They're Naturally Myopic AND just plain Cheap!
47 YULWinterSkies : You seem to pay a lot of attention to AF cup holders, which are greatly convenient to me, but the bottom line is that you do not have to use them. It
48 JBAirwaysFan : I always use the seat back pouch as a holder for bottled drinks. Other than that there's the indent in the tray table that works just fine for the cup
49 HALFA : You will be happy to find out that there is one US Airline with cup holders in the seat backs, and that is Hawaiian Airlines. The cup holders are not
50 Post contains images airportugal310 : Or we can go the a.net way where every airline has every kind of plane "because it just makes sense..." or paint every airplane every color in the Cr
51 Post contains images OB1504 : As mentioned above, Virgin America has cupholders on their fleet. Remind me again how they're doing financially. It's only an investment if it pays o
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