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WN/FL March 4, 2013 Schedule Extension Predictions  
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12336 times:

The schedule will be extended to November 3, 2013.

WIth expanded codeshare, will we see ATL transferring?
More International flights?
There are 3 more domestic cities without WN service, MEM, PNS and RIC. What do you think?


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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12298 times:
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No predictions here but with the codeshare Id like to see WN begin ATL-STL on their own metal.

User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2857 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12276 times:
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Maybe ATL-ISP now that the codeshare could help with connections?


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User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12227 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
No predictions here but with the codeshare Id like to see WN begin ATL-STL on their own metal.

To be honest, I expected this AGES ago. Especially since WN flies to 7 of their other top-10 cities from ATL (the exceptions being DAL [because of the Wright Amendment] and OAK [served through SFO I suppose]).

As for predictions, I would love to see LGA and DCA converted to all-WN; with the codeshare coming 100% online by April, I think it's only a matter of time.

I'd also like to see MHT (got to rep your hometown) get some additional Florida service back as well as a connection to either BNA or STL. I think both of these cities offer a wide range of connections that are too circuitous when routed through either BWI or MDW. One can dream, right?  


User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12218 times:

I think if you look at what they did with FL and MEM service last time.
Maybe will see some FL 717 flying added to PNS and RIC.
2 PNS-HOU, 1 PNS-MDW and 1 PNS-BWI.
2 RIC-MDW, 2 RIC-HOU maybe 1 RIC-MCO.
ADD 2 MEM-HOU or 2 MEM-DEN.
At DAY FL could ADD some 717 flying with 3 MDW flights connecting to the WN network.
Wnfg

  



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User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12163 times:

I think since they added back DEN-BUR service with a line of flying.
Instead of having the A/C with a long RON in DEN they could tag on DSM,DAY or ROC with another RON.
wnfg  

[Edited 2013-02-24 16:25:08]


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User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12112 times:

With SNA now that the code share is in place for MEX and SJD via SNA.
Maybe they could Drop the FL SFO flight add a Red eye turn to MEX.
Also I'm still hoping for the FL LAS flight being dropped and redeploy it for a ATL n/s.
wnfg 



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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12087 times:

I think WN needs to wake up from this long line of keeping PHX idle....

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4080 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12086 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 3):
I'd also like to see MHT (got to rep your hometown) get some additional Florida service back as well as a connection to either BNA or STL. I think both of these cities offer a wide range of connections that are too circuitous when routed through either BWI or MDW. One can dream, right?

Fellow MHT alum, too. The one route that would be absolutely mint: MHT-ATL. DL runs a couple MD-88s a day in the high season but none in the low season...and that's an awfully long run for an RJ. No wonder people 'flee' to Logan.

But aside from that, it has been a LONG time since WN outright added a route at MHT. The norm has been a reinstatement of routes previously suspended, and that's been it. We already lose MHT-LAS this summer, making the only 'far-west' flight MHT-DEN. It used to be MHT-PHX and MHT-LAS; now it will be neither of them.

If you're heading west out of MHT, you would like to connect in some city that is NOT at risk of snow, which is why the PHX and LAS routes were so welcome. Now, your connection choices are Midway and Denver...two cities that can be snowbound on any given day.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11883 times:
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Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 2):
Maybe ATL-ISP now that the codeshare could help with connections?

ISP is a dying airport

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 4):
2 PNS-HOU, 1 PNS-MDW and 1 PNS-BWI.

I think youll see PNS-STL before MDW. JAN-MDW does poorly


Im not expecting any real ATL growth.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2857 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11736 times:
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Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 9):

I'd hardly call it a dying airport. Recently, we've had WN return it's seasonal RSW-ISP flight that wasn't here last year, US adding DCA-ISP AND upping it from 2-3 daily roundtrips fairly quickly (within a year of starting the service).

Plus, with the fairly new airport commisioner, we have high hopes for the airport, including B6 in the future and maybe some changes in service with the US/AA merger.

Granted ISP isn't what it once was, it's far from dying.



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User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11727 times:

Maybe some additions at PHX in anticipation of a US draw down ? Might be a little premature but ya never know.

User currently onlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11561 times:

[quote=wnflyguy,reply=6]With SNA now that the code share is in place for MEX and SJD via SNA.
Maybe they could Drop the FL SFO flight add a Red eye turn to MEX.

The only problem I see with that is that now there will be no FL crew to operate the MEX and SJD sectors as FL has no west coast base to pull crews from. I though the reason for the FL SFO flights was to rotate crews to the SNA INT'L flights operated by FL. With out those crews the SNA to MEX and SJD can not operate. Correct me if I am wrong?

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User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11299 times:

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 12):

Ya that's why I think a SNA-ATL n/s would work out great.
Crew 3 or 4 days of flying rotations would cover weekly flying.
I would only run the extra SNA-MEX n/s Sunday thru Friday.
CREW 3 day line day 1 ATL-SAT-MEX-SNA day 2 SNA-MEX-SNA day 3 SNA-ATL.
CREW 4 day line day 1 ATL-SNA day 2 SNA-SJD-DEN day 3 DEN-SJD-SNA day 4 SNA-MEX-SAT-ATL.
Wnfg  



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6996 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11211 times:

With the code share now appearing to be functional, I think we will see pretty massive change. I expect more FL cities to lose ATL service and I think you will finally see round two of new routes from ATL on WN metal finally supported by the code share. Maybe stuff like LIT or JAN.

User currently offlinePhilly65 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11199 times:

Southwest schedule and new route/city predictions are no longer exciting nor worthy of much commentary. The airline is a typical legacy airline with legacy costs, and the airline is transforming itself to adjust to the new reality it operates in. The good old days of Southwest being a short haul, high frequency airline are past. The integration with AirTran is nothing more than connecting the dots and seeing what sticks. However, it will be interesting to see what they do in the Caribbean/Mexico and potentially Hawaii.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22679 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11145 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 9):
I think youll see PNS-STL before MDW. JAN-MDW does poorly

Do you think JAN-STL would do better? The problems with JAN are that it is small and that it lacks many connections to the midwest. There's some VFR, but not many business connections.

JAN-STL is shorter, but the local market is also likely to be much smaller.

Quoting Philly65 (Reply 15):
The good old days of Southwest being a short haul, high frequency airline are past.

They passed a decade or more ago. I'm not sure what's different now versus ten years ago other than that a few of the not very useful, super-short routes (MCO-RSW, BHM-BNA) are finally gone.



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User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11042 times:

I've given up hope for DSM. It seems WN is completely happy with 2X MDW.

User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11032 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 10):
US adding DCA-ISP AND upping it from 2-3 daily roundtrips fairly quickly (within a year of starting the service).

I wonder if AA/US will keep ISP with the JFK hub within an hour for most that might use ISP. If it left, it would be good for WN's ISP-BWI. Pax that might have switched to ISP-DCA for DC travel, won't have that option. However, AA will likely launch GRR-DCA which will take pax from WN's GRR-BWI.

I'd say ISP-ATL could be done or maybe offered seasonally, because DL isn't at ISP, and WN would own the route, like NK on ACY-ATL and F9 now on TTN-ATL. Anyways, WN inherited an ATL crew base and wants to make ATL work. Part of that is keeping feed into ATL where possible. With WN pricing PHL-ATL at $191 lowest WGA, but PHL-ATL-JAX at $131 lowest WGA, it seems it wants to keep ATL active with connections, in the east coast or on north-south travel.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3702 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11015 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
I'm not sure what's different now versus ten years ago other than that a few of the not very useful, super-short routes (MCO-RSW, BHM-BNA) are finally gone.

Besides gutting a lot of the short-haul routes, I can think of at least eight ways that WN has changed compared to ten years ago.

WN has:

1) built up connecting complexes at airports like MDW and BWI as opposed to the traditional point-to-point WN focus
2) moved into airports that Herb vowed to never serve like LGA, DEN, and ATL (more on the last one next)
3) acquired FL to gain access to ATL and international markets, both of which were nevers at old WN
4) ditched the eight-flight rule by allowing smaller stations to be opened with contract ground handling as opposed to higher-cost WN employees (more on that toward the end)
5) expanded their market share in flights to Florida while gutting Florida intrastate flying, which was part organic growth and partly due to the FL acquisition
6) offered more business-traveler friendly products like Business Select fares, and charging higher fares for many business markets
7) started experimenting with smaller cities like PWM, DSM, ICT, and GRR at 2-6x/daily schedules, a change from Herb's "we're not in the small city business, we're in the leakage business" mantra, and made possible in part by ditching the eight-flight rule
8) abandoned the "passionately neutral" stance on the Wright Amendment, pushed for a repeal, and got a phased repeal

[Edited 2013-02-25 11:47:35]


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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10968 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):

All airlines have struggled flying from Chicago to Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana and the Florida panhandle. There just isn't much traffic via air to the Midwest from these states. There is lots of road traffic down I-55 but not air. ORD is not a good hub for these states. Traffic goes via DFW or ATL mostly. UA, AA and WN have all done poorly in these places to Chicago.

I don't think PNS to STL is likely but neither is MDW.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3702 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10913 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 20):
All airlines have struggled flying from Chicago to Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana and the Florida panhandle. There just isn't much traffic via air to the Midwest from these states. There is lots of road traffic down I-55 but not air.

I used to live in a Chicago suburb, and I went to high school there about a decade ago. Destin was THE place to go for spring break at my high school, and everyone drove down there for that week in March.

No one flew to VPS or PNS, and higher cost plus family traditions were often cited as reasons, even though Destin was a 14+ hour drive on I-65 each way from the suburb in question. These families would get up at 5 AM for a full-day drive there and do the same on the way back. However, they could just drive to ORD in an hour, arrive two hours before departure for parking and security, and be at VPS or PNS in about five to seven hours total (depending on if the flight is a nonstop or not).

Oh, and I never understood the appeal of Destin. My spring breaks in high school were to LHR, LAS, and CUN - the last one senior year was a college searching road trip.

[Edited 2013-02-25 12:37:41]


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6996 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10823 times:

Quoting Philly65 (Reply 15):
The airline is a typical legacy airline with legacy costs, and the airline is transforming itself to adjust to the new reality it operates in.

Can't argue that...

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Quoting Philly65 (Reply 15):
The good old days of Southwest being a short haul, high frequency airline are past.

They passed a decade or more ago. I'm not sure what's different now versus ten years ago other than that a few of the not very useful, super-short routes (MCO-RSW, BHM-BNA) are finally gone

They may have started that mutation 10 years ago, but it is nearing completion now.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 19):
Besides gutting a lot of the short-haul routes, I can think of at least eight ways that WN has changed compared to ten years ago.

Agreed. They are turning into a hubbed legacy. They are mostly there already. The Wright Amendment ending will probably be the final gasp of the old model as they retrieve airplanes to add service from their newest nationwide hub.


User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10781 times:

No predictions but a wish-list for PVD that includes reinstatement of LAS, PHX, or HOU. Probably unlikely at this point, but thats why they call it a wish list!

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22679 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10782 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
Agreed. They are turning into a hubbed legacy. They are mostly there already.

Which UA or DL stations resemble WN stations like MCI, AUS, SAT or BNA?



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25 FWAERJ : For DL, CVG and MEM. For UA, CLE. Though to be fair, the WN stations are all mainline and CVG/CLE/MEM are mostly RJs.
26 airliner371 : Those are dying hubs, its different.
27 WNCrew : People DO often forget that WN's thousands of flights per day are ALL mainline and WN-operated. Thanks for stating that.
28 FWAERJ : CVG has been right-sized to profitability, and CLE has seen several new routes as of late - neither are dying at this point. Though I think we can al
29 Cubsrule : Regardless, I'm not sure how a 200 flight/day operation that is predominantly RJ and heavily connecting can be compared to a 50 or 60 flight/day all
30 Post contains images wnflyguy : With every small schedule update from now until Dec 2015 will be the elimination of FL flying into WN. Along with this merger at the end of 2014 will
31 JBAirwaysFan : Who's to say DL won't jump back on it though? Their old gate is still there (and their old ticket counter still has the DL designation as of 2011). T
32 mesaflyguy : They could, per say, but DL has shown zero interest in anything in th NYC area other than JFK and LGA, so I can't see how 1 737 a day from ATL-ISP wo
33 Post contains images OzarkD9S : I hope they'll finally integrate RIC into either WN metal or added to the codeshare. I was hoping to book FL from STL to RIC for travel in May, then t
34 JONC777 : With the codeshare in place now, I think theres a decent chance there will be some changes to ATL at this point. As for other changes, I wouldnt expec
35 JBAirwaysFan : I won't disagree. However that wasn't my point. What I meant is that WN starting a new route from ATL is at risk for the backlash from Delta. Granted
36 mesaflyguy : Gotcha, didn't realize you were talking about the ATL end of it. Also, I neve realized DL had ever served ISP-ATL. I knew they served CVG-ISP
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : And have since exited the market. Was 2x CR7s (1x on certain week days and on Sat) to the recent end. We have to be a little realistic here. You thin
38 CIDFlyer : The Florida Panhandle is a beautiful area! I think the reason flights to the midwest havent been as successful here (I am currently on vacation here)
39 ATLgaUSA : Another reason that flights to the panhandle haven't worked is that none of the towns on the panhandle are equipped to handle large numbers of tourist
40 JBAirwaysFan : Just recently they did. They maintained the route for 4 years after AirTran left. At SOME POINT IN TIME. Meaning not right away, but if DL and WN beg
41 Cubsrule : Having lived in both, I can assure you that Saint Louis is far more of a Destin town than Chicago is. VPS is the best airport for Destin, but as far
42 Post contains images BD338 : my very first WN flight back in 1996. Had the seats in the middle of the aircraft that faced each other...thought that was brilliant! I dream of more
43 CIDFlyer : yeah 98 isnt too bad but can get busy. Too bad there isnt some sort of expressway from PNS to Ft Walton/Destin, 98 from Pensacola to Destin is about
44 GentFromAlaska : Because WN operates a focus city in BNA it would makes since. I'm not real familiar with the STL operations other than what I've read on A.net I unde
45 ouboy79 : As of last month, STL is the 10th largest station for WN with 82 flights to 33 cities. It is actually a larger operation than Nashville.
46 Post contains images wnflyguy : Well looks like the FL schedule loaded. The only change I see so far is FLL-SJU service going over to WN. LAS losing the ATL red eye.. wnfg
47 knope2001 : I didn't find anything yet very notable in the new FL load, neither additions nor subtractions.
48 kkephart13 : It looks like SNA is going back to 1x SJD and up to 2x SFO.
49 flyiguy : Hot off the Press Today, we opened the Southwest and AirTran schedules out for sale through November 1, giving us 242 days of bookable inventory. No f
50 JONC777 : wonder if ATL-SAN will be an -800 ??
51 Post contains images jporterfi : IIRC, FL operated this route for a time and discontinued it a few years ago. I guess WN feels like it can sucessfully compete with DL on the route. I
52 flyiguy : WN operates close to 90 flights a day in SAN so there are chances for connections and feed to ATL from passengers connecting in SAN. This will not ju
53 dbo861 : You just needed to be patient. This route begins exactly one year after Southwest started flying to DSM. I'm curious how soon before Allegiant drops
54 FlyPNS1 : FL had no customer base in SAN, whereas WN does. Between WN's strong base in SAN, plus the hub in ATL, they should be able to make the route work, th
55 awacsooner : Man...ELP and ABQ have been getting royally screwed over by WN in the past few years...they're losing N/S flights left and right.
56 knope2001 : Assuming the seasonal drop of service between Seattle/Tacoma and Seattle is a typo, anyone catch what the 3rd SEA seasonal drop is?
57 WNCrew : That WHOLE section of the post was not worded properly IMO. Is it service ending between Seattle-ATL/BNA and then SEPARATELY CLE-LAS and MDW-RNO.....
58 SANFan : I'm glad to see SAN-ATL added. As mentioned, FL offered flights in this market (as many as 3x daily at the height of AirTran's SAN-experiment which la
59 Cubsrule : As a somewhat frequent traveler to PIT with no good option at present, I'm excited by BNA-PIT. MDW-JAX has been a long time coming, but with the rece
60 MasseyBrown : CLE and CVG, with their current size and high yield fares, are about 60% O&D, and represent a good use for RJ's that the airlines can't get rid o
61 JONC777 : Its just a business. . .if its not making money it doesnt work end of story.Unless those cities are somehow paying SWA's bills another way. . . no on
62 MSPNWA : No surprise at all for ATL-SAN. Been waiting for that one.
63 SANFan : I don't think so, WN'. I agree with knope', where's the 5th seasonal cancellation? There are lots of schedules to weed through to try to figure this
64 knope2001 : Agreed, it was confusing. But I do think there's one more because it says five seasonal markets are being discontinued, and then it lists these: SEA-
65 knope2001 : It appears SEA-STL is the other seasonal drop in this new schedule.
66 usflyguy : LGA-STL is getting an additional frequency, anyone see where that slot came from? An FL LGA-MKE flight?
67 knope2001 : Looks like AirTran LGA-CAK is dropping from 3x to 2x to fund that added STL flight. MKE-LGA is all Southwest (as of this weekend) and remains a stead
68 QANTAS747-438 : Nope, it'll be a -700.
69 SANFan : The surprise (to me) was that it took so long to be added. Personally, I'd given up on seeing it anytime soon. Good work Sherlock. Has that been seas
70 awacsooner : I know...figure of speech man.
71 steex : It has indeed been seasonal. I would naturally assume that AS has wrapped up the O&D from the SEA end and probably also benefits from capturing s
72 Philly65 : Somewhat predictable news. It will get more interesting when we see new routes to Caribbean, Mexico or Hawaii.
73 iowaman : As a WN station it certainly has over the past several years. A look at a summer 2003 schedule out of ISP shows 21 daily flights. At the end of this
74 evanbu : With the new WN service to LAS from DSM, G4 is running out of options from DSM. WN will DOMINATE G4 on that route and its only a matter of time before
75 dbo861 : I'm kind of surprised the first flight out of DSM is such a late departure. You'd think they'd want to get the aircraft back in the system..by 0800,
76 iowaman : Oops my apologizes, I stand corrected. IIRC NW wasn't daily where as WN will be.
77 knope2001 : Looks like this fall, ELP total flights will be 6609 seats on 56 daily departures to 12 nonstop cities, half of which are in Texas. Southwest itself
78 dadoftyler : Mea culpa, guys. Sorry, I typed Seattle instead of St. Louis in the post--it will be corrected tommrrow. WNCrew--it would have been worded properly i
79 nwcoflyer : No... they are finding more profitable markets to fly. Just like US dumped the LAS hub, and DL downsized MEM... ABQ/ELP (though no where near as comp
80 Post contains images wnflyguy : Just wait until Fall 2014 once WN can open up non stops from DAL to all of the WN network. Cites like ELP and ABQ will scale down even more with one
81 bobloblaw : When DAL opens up the cities that will really scale down will be MCI and STL probably by 50%. I am not expecting a huge change in DAL. I don't think
82 airliner371 : I highly doubt they would build STL to the 10th larget city and make that temporary. STL also serves as a releaver to MDW. And if your not expecting
83 bobloblaw : I mean DAL-STL will be cut by 50%. Not STL itself. Same with MCI.
84 airliner371 : Gotcha. Makes more sense.
85 Cubsrule : I expect we'll see other cuts too, including but not limited to BHM, OKC and intra-Texas.
86 knope2001 : Really, that makes perfect sense. If they add DAL-MDW nonstop, a lot less traffic will flow from Dallas to Chicago over places like St Louis and Kans
87 Cubsrule : I can tell you anecdotally that DAL-BHM carries a lot of thru traffic, though perhaps less now that BHM-BNA is cut. It was not uncommon for DAL-BHM-B
88 ScottB : I'd expect that they're trying to give themselves some leeway with respect to crew rest since the terminator arrives at 2220 the previous night. The
89 bobloblaw : I think all current DAL service will see some reductions come 2014. I am only guessing but I think the DAL adds will be: ATL 3 flights MDW 3-4 flight
90 usflyguy : You're missing SAN, LGA/EWR, FLL, TPA, OAK/SFO...
91 QANTAS747-438 : A ton. Our LAX-ELP-DAL flights are often full with at least half, 60, being thru paxs in ELP. Same is true for our LAX-ABQ-DAL and LAX-SAT-DAL flight
92 bobloblaw : My understanding is about 50% of the traffic on ATL-AUS is going to DAL
93 chrisair : I've done the PHX-ELP run several times and whenever the plane continued to DAL, it'd have 80+ thrus. Many of whom are employees going to visit the m
94 737tanker : I don' think the time is due to crew rest requirements. In order to meet the SWA pilot's contract with a 2220 arrival they couldn't leave until 0820.
95 knope2001 : Regarding guessing how DAL longer-haul traffic migrating to nonstops might affect the short-haul hops those passengers now transit, I did some playing
96 bobloblaw : OKC-DAL might be on the elimination list. Short flight less than 20% local. Eliminating DAL but keeping HOU would seem to be a possibility.
97 knope2001 : For what it's worth, here are the approximate driving distances from the generic "Dallas TX" to each city 3.00 OKC 3.00 AUS 3.50 HOU 4.00 SAT 4.00 TUL
98 ouboy79 : I don't think we'll see an outright elimination of the route, but might go down to 3 daily flights instead of 5. It's hard to say though. DAL is goin
99 awacsooner : I want to know why so many people are so quick to think that DAL-OKC is going to be chopped as soon as WA goes away next year. Do you guys even do an
100 Cubsrule : DAL-OKC O&D is not even enough to fill a single daily 737. It's around 70 PDEW. Total O&D to the Metroplex is around 120 PDEW.
101 awacsooner : Incorrect. The numbers the WN station manager showed me in January reflected a 180 pax per day AVERAGE have O/D OKC-DAL. AA, with their increasing fli
102 Cubsrule : Unless WN is lying to the government, I can't help you. You sure they weren't counting thru passengers? In any event, it's a small fraction of the nu
103 steex : The speculation is driven not by the idea that there is zero traffic between Dallas and Oklahoma City, but rather that the route is similar in terms
104 ouboy79 : We'll just have to see how it all plays out. Will the route go completely away? Doubt it. It'll get reduced as they move things around.
105 steex : I certainly don't know either way, just clarifying the basis for speculation. If you'd told me five years ago that WN would cut MDW-IND, though, I'd
106 awacsooner : So, using that logic, why does WN keep all those short flights from HOU? My point is: everyone is predicting doom and gloom for all these markets whe
107 alggag : It's the forgotten station on the WN route map but I've wondered about the possibility of CRP being converted into a DAL spoke in 2014 (as in all CRP-
108 ouboy79 : DAL - 275 ppd HOU - 183 ppd Seems like an opportunity to bring a flight or two in from DAL, unless they like routing over HOU. Considering the 25 dai
109 Cubsrule : Not at all, but the additions at DAL have to get funded somehow.
110 Flytravel : I'm not sure WN would offer so much in DAL- east coast spoke flights given that it'd want connection traffic supporting BWI, ATL, BNA and/or STL. It'd
111 Post contains images KLAXAirport : We want Hawaii!!!!! Cheers, KLAXAirport
112 Post contains images alggag : Yeah, I was going to add that maybe 2x DAL and 3x HOU to possibly get some slightly better numbers out of the CRP station. As for HOU-DAL, I could se
113 Post contains images ouboy79 : Completely agree, I just see DAL-OKC pretty important still when it comes to a connection point. There is still a lot of OKC-Texas traffic that will
114 usflyguy : Take another look at the schedule. As it stands, they don't leave every half hour.
115 ouboy79 : Dear god...picky aren't we? I guess 0615 and 0630 aren't thirty minutes apart. Then the 2PM only runs on Saturday...same with the 6PM. Of course it s
116 Cubsrule : No, but I tend to think that a lot of the aircraft for DAL are going to come from short-ish routes without a lot of O&D, sort of the tier above M
117 southwest737500 : I would love to see DAL-CLT!
118 Post contains images ouboy79 : Of course you would. :-P LOL I see what you are saying. We'll just have to see how things work out. I'm sure Bill's fingers will start to hurt from t
119 southwest737500 : No offensive but whats wrong with me saying that.
120 ERJ170 : Wait! Southwest dropped FLL? When did this happen? I know it was given to Airtran as a seasonal flight, but I thought it was supposed to revert back t
121 airliner371 : I don't think he indicated anything was wrong with that but just poking fun with you. I think everyone knows you would like any city to CLT so he was
122 Post contains images ouboy79 : This. Nothing wrong with it at all. I love that people support their hometowns like you do. I'm just glad you don't take it to the extreme and troll
123 Post contains images southwest737500 : Hehe thank you! I've lived here for 10 years so CLT has come a long way from 22 million to 41 million! I just love SWA and hope they do well here
124 JetBlue1058 : Well firstly I have no idea what they are talking about when they say the AirTran PIT-FLL is NEW. We have had that route for may years now and it's pe
125 southwest737500 : Any proof that it has performed well?
126 Post contains links sdoyon : Somewhat related (and I'm mostly putting this here because we don't have a catch-all WN thread), it looks like BWI has updated their terminal map as o
127 ouboy79 : Next phase of the codeshare is now live on both Southwest.com and AirTran.com.[Edited 2013-03-17 08:28:21]
128 WNCrew : Maybe I'm not understanding this all, but when I try to book say, CLT-SNA it still tries to throw me over to the Airtran.com website... so... which r
129 airliner371 : The full codeshare is now bookable for flights on & after April 14, 2013.
130 WNCrew : ..but it's still only domestic right? What's left domestically that we codeshare on at that point? I'm curious... thanks!
131 Post contains images Atrude777 : For starters STL-ATL! For months even with the code share starting, STL-ATL was not code shared at all nor flown by WN Metal (odd to me considering b
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