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User currently offlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2074 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7577 times:

I was having dinner tonight with a friend from Cleveland who mentioned that he's booked tickets on a nonstop CLE-PDX flight this summer. I didn't think UA flew the route, so I went onto United.com to check and sure enough, there's one nonstop roundtrip leaving CLE at 6pm, arriving PDX just after 8pm. The return service is a redeye. Equipment is a 73G.

Great news for CLE... a mainline flight addition is always nice to see these days.

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User currently offlineusctrojan18 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7416 times:

I flew into CLE last summer and it was a nice little airport. Seemed kinda empty so the more service there the better. Especially to SAN, since it provides connections to some eastern cities.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

Looks like it runs daily June 6 through August 26.

Somehow I missed this in the OAG threads. I hope the route additions for our fair Rose City continue!



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

Very interesting! And I seem to have missed any announcement by UA about a brand new route as well!

I'm sorry but I'm really surprised by this; I just looked up the DOT stats and last summer (3Q12), PDX-CLE had a total O&D count of 126 pax/day. That equals ~63 PDEW and I don't understand a daily nonstop in that market. There would certainly be some connectors on board but... Someone please explain this one to me?

In any case, congrats to PDX on a new (and very unexpected) route... and from UA! (I bet it's been a while since that happened.)

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

It's a nice add for CLE, not sure if CO has flown CLE-PDX in the past. The only West Coast market missing is SAN, which has been served from CLE in the past. Kind of strange they would fly CLE-PDX and not CLE-SAN, figure there would be more traffic for SAN.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Someone please explain this one to me?

Three months in summer—a nice red-eye from the west which helps keep UA's numbers at CLE up for the meantime. I don't think it needs much more explanation. Strategically, it looks like a nice win all 'round.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
The only West Coast market missing is SAN, which has been served from CLE in the past. Kind of strange they would fly CLE-PDX and not CLE-SAN, figure there would be more traffic for SAN.

CO (UA) tends to fly CLE-SAN for about 15 days a year -- during Novembers, Decembers, and January -- and has done so for the last few years.

After seeing this thread about PDX-CLE, the first thing I checked was the schedules for CLE-SAN for the summer (since PDX-CLE hasn't been announced I wondered what else might be quietly starting.) Needless to say, there's no nonstop showing CLE-SAN.

The traffic between CLE and SAN last summer (3Q) was virtually identical to that of CLE-PDX. (And the O&D count between SAN and CLE was higher than PDX-CLE for the 1st and 2nd quarters of 2012.)

It is interesting to see a new route from CLE too. I didn't think that was happening much lately...

Oh well, some things are difficult to figure out but it is what it is. Again, good for Portland!

bb


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3350 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6906 times:
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Good for both ends! I am as surprised an anybody else to see a new mainline route out of CLE and, to be honest, I would've thought it would have been operated by an a319. Glad to see some PMCO metal still flying from PMCO hubs!

And before anybody corrects me and says that there is indeed CO metal at CO hubs, I hope you know what I meant by the joke. 



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

EXCELLENT NEWS! I am so proud of CLE.

I can see the logic behind this route as an alternative to ORD, DEN and IAH to get to the West coast. UA also has a pretty sizable operation in Portland. Received great customer service at the lounge there last month. Congrats to both cities on this!



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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1923 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

Didn't see this coming either. Cool addition.


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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

Good news for CLE! Would like to see CLE-SAN and SEA go year round as well


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6702 times:

Checking Shares it appears to be a 73G Flight #70 CLE-PDX round-robin

CLE-PDX #70 1800-2007
PDX-CLE #70 2315-0630



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User currently offlinelhpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

This is great news for the city of Roses (Portland) and Cleveland! More summer flying options is always a good thing......

User currently offlinesmed63 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
It's a nice add for CLE, not sure if CO has flown CLE-PDX in the past.

I remember flying CLE-PDX once in the early 2000s, I recall. No more specifics than that, sorry. But happy to see this seasonal addition to UA's schedule!


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6478 times:

IMHO, any adds to PDX regardless of the origin is great. My wife grew up in the PDX area and we return frequently, only to find the IAH-PDX fares to be out of control as most from IAH. Maybe IAH-CLE-PDX would be a better fare?   Just sayin!


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

Quoting smed63 (Reply 13):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):It's a nice add for CLE, not sure if CO has flown CLE-PDX in the past.
I remember flying CLE-PDX once in the early 2000s, I recall. No more specifics than that, sorry. But happy to see this seasonal addition to UA's schedule!

They did. I can't recall the year, but I believe CO flew CLE-PDX at one point..I think during the holiday season.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

Quoting smed63 (Reply 13):
I remember flying CLE-PDX once in the early 2000s, I recall.

This old thread linked below indicates there was holiday service for at least what appears to be for four days around Thanksgiving 2004. Perhaps there was other seasonal service as well.

PDX Future Domestic Flights? (by Leneld May 26 2005 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

With PDX having a high leisure component, a seasonal red-eye makes a lot of sense. And it might make use of a plane that would otherwise have limited evening use?

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Doesn't this addition run counter to the prevailing thought that UA is closing the CLE hub?

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

Quoting Noise (Reply 18):

The difference is that publicly UA has admitted that CLE makes money. It will go away if it stops making money.



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User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Quoting Noise (Reply 18):

Good point. It's actually running counter to the thought that CLE is grossly unprofitable which many on this forum (some with very high RR's) insisted was true back in 2010. UA has added BNA, OKC and PDX from CLE recently. Clearly there is a plan for the hub and it's not a money pit.


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

Thanks for the feedback guys. I was under the impression that service has been cut recently from CLE. Am I wrong on that? I'm not from CLE so I don't know exactly what's going on. I hear things on airliners.net and I see CLE sandwiched between IAD, EWR and ORD and wonder whether UA has a plan for it besides scaling down. The addition of PDX and the others you mentioned comes as a surprise, albeit a pleasant one.

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

It will be interesting to see what happens to CLE as UA starts to draw down 50-seaters. Right now it is safe as the economics of the hub are solid, but that might change if UA begins to push out the ERJs and phase in larger jets to replace them. Cleveland is dependent on the 50-seaters, so things will necessarily change as UA inevitably begins to rid itself of them.

I'm not saying the hub will close, but the dynamics will change as capacity is adjusted. It will be interesting to watch, and if it goes well, CLE will be the first hub that has successfully made the transition out from a primarily 50-seater-driven hub.


User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4951 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
. The only West Coast market missing is SAN, which has been served from CLE in the past

Uhm, what? SEA, and unsurprisingly YVR and SJC don't have direct service to/from CLE either.


User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 23):

CLE-SEA is seasonal on UA


25 RyanairGuru : I imagine that CLE will be the final hub with 50 seaters, assuming the fuel doesn't do something crazy. I could see the ideal replacement for the ERJ
26 cle757 : CLE has slowly added the CR7's and now the E170's so the 50 seat ERJ's are being replaced at CLE.
27 RWA380 : Back in the day, CO flew a PDX-SEA-CLE flight on an M80, as a red-eye. I flew this once going to BOS, and yes CLE was a nice little airport to change
28 panam330 : SEA is seasonal (as has been pointed out above), YVR is much too thin a market from CLE, and SJC is (arguably) served 2-3x daily through SFO. What ro
29 MasseyBrown : Unfortunately these acft are being used to other hubs (ORD and DEN) and not on CLE spoke routes. I agree that CLE is dependent on the 50-seaters; it
30 ramprat74 : CLE days as a hub are numbered. In the new TA just sent out to the IAM. The company has CLE grouped with the large stations for job security, and not
31 greenair727 : ^ramprat74 -- is there anywhere I can publicly see a copy of the new TA? is it posted anywhere? --thanks.
32 coairman : Those E170's are actually replacing mainline flights. Capacity is being reduced from A319/320/737's to a large regional jet on the first flights of t
33 MasseyBrown : Keeping their options open, it sounds like. That's not much different from what Smisek has been saying all along: CLE has to earn its way.
34 N766UA : Wow, haven't heard THAT before!
35 Post contains links AeroWesty : Well at least the Port of Portland has made an announcement about the flight: http://www.portofportland.com/Notices/PDX_United_ancmnt_02_BLT.htm
36 SANFan : Hey, how 'bout that, apparently PDX cares about the new route and seems interested in getting the word out! I notice that CLE doesn't, and neither do
37 izbtmnhd : Wasn't UA going to pull out after the teeth of the Ohio AG deal expired last fall? So many forum regulars went on and on about how the deal proved CL
38 FutureUScapt : This is simply replacing the CLE-PHX flight that was originally slated to operate as a red-eye during this time period. Sorry folks, but this doesn't
39 greenair727 : If 'originally slated' but not operated, then this is an expansion. Also, as CLE already has non-stop PHX service, but does not for PDX, then this is
40 FutureUScapt : Let me rephrase: Up until last week, PHX was scheduled to fly as a red-eye. PDX was then substituted for it. Except that during this period, there wi
41 BACCALA : Does UA divert many planes to CLE when ORD and EWR are all messed up?[Edited 2013-02-27 11:30:54]
42 as739x : From EWR, they will get a handle full. Some will speculate that this is why their ramp has received WB training recently. Some of the locals can give
43 Post contains links and images ramprat74 :
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