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XL Airways France Launches Miami  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

XL AIrways France will launch seasonal flights to Miami starting 28 Jun 2013.

SE 18 CDG 1615-2035 MIA MoThFr 332
SE 19 MIA 2235-1345+1 CDG MoThFr 332

Source: OAG


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User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 632 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
XL AIrways France will launch seasonal flights to Miami starting 28 Jun 2013.

SE 18 CDG 1615-2035 MIA MoThFr 332
SE 19 MIA 2235-1345+1 CDG MoThFr 332

Source: OAG

This flight is seasonal and due to stop on Aug 31st, 2013.
It is a new competitor for AF and AA on this route. SE will operate a A330-200 with 364 seats (21J, 343Y).
Fares from 499€ RT.
Good luck to them !



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things - A. de Saint Exupery
User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

The new route isn't showing up on the XL Airways France website or in SABRE, but once it does, I'll probably book. I've been wanting to take a trip to Europe this summer and a €499 ($653) roundtrip would be over $200 cheaper than flying AA to DUS via ORD from MIA, and it would help me avoid AA's terribly inconsistent product.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

I've never understood why Europeans want to visit Florida in mid-summer when the weather is so oppressively hot and humid.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 2):

The new route isn't showing up on the XL Airways France website or in SABRE, but once it does, I'll probably book. I've been wanting to take a trip to Europe this summer and a €499 ($653) roundtrip would be over $200 cheaper than flying AA to DUS via ORD from MIA, and it would help me avoid AA's terribly inconsistent product.


AA's product is inconsistent, but even the worse of it is going to be better than being squeezed in to a 364 seat charter configured A330.



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User currently offlinePMUA787 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Gets them there in time to party on South Beach.

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
I've never understood why Europeans want to visit Florida in mid-summer when the weather is so oppressively hot and humid

Shh! Don't spoil the secret!   

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
AA's product is inconsistent, but even the worse of it is going to be better than being squeezed in to a 364 seat charter configured A330.

I'd rather pay less and know I'm going to get less (like when I fly Spirit for almost nothing) than pay more and have it be hit-or-miss. I'm sure AA's product will improve once the merger is complete, but right now, I can't in good conscience recommend them when there are other options available.

Whatever happened to Corsair's ORY-MIA service?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 6):
Whatever happened to Corsair's ORY-MIA service?

AA matched the fares and drove SS out. The CEO of Corsair even said as much, they didn't want to bother competing with AA and gave up.



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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

I would love to fly XL.... but in business class.

The problem is that these guys have the most terrible booking system. Not a single online travel agent offers them. Their online website is also terrible, it advertises their Galaxy class but never lets you book it... I called twice and some rather clueless agents said that either it did not exist or you had to buy a coach seat and calll back later to get a business class seat. No way I am doing this taking the risk of flying in the back.

Their booking process is so badly run I don't want to get to the next step, which is flying them. I only know people who flew them in coach and they said that it is no fun there, depsite being cheap. I like it fun.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
AA matched the fares and drove SS out. The CEO of Corsair even said as much, they didn't want to bother competing with AA and gave up.

   There goes another budget option to Europe...

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 8):
Their booking process is so badly run I don't want to get to the next step, which is flying them. I only know people who flew them in coach and they said that it is no fun there, depsite being cheap. I like it fun.

You get what you pay for, I suppose, though I find it odd that they'd make it so difficult to book a higher-yielding seat.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):

Hey Mark on a little unrelated subject how is SU doing vis-a-vis UN? Are they trying to drive eachother out of the market? I also noticed that AF will operate a daily 744 to MIA this summer instead of the 773. Is this a permanent change?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8501 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
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Quoting miaintl (Reply 10):
Hey Mark on a little unrelated subject how is SU doing vis-a-vis UN? Are they trying to drive eachother out of the market? I also noticed that AF will operate a daily 744 to MIA this summer instead of the 773. Is this a permanent change?

AF sending their old 744 to MIA shows just how unimportant MIA is to them. The route had a very nice 777 flying them.


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2598 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
AF sending their old 744 to MIA shows just how unimportant MIA is to them. The route had a very nice 777 flying them.

Your information are obviously outdated. All AF 744 have been retrofitted with new J seats (NEV4 instead of NEV2) in a 2-2-2 layout, and with "new" Y seats. So now, all 744 have PTV at all seats.


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
I've never understood why Europeans want to visit Florida in mid-summer when the weather is so oppressively hot and humid.

Because that's what they don't get in Europe  

Kidding aside, I think this flight could work quite well at such low fares. It's in the middle of the "season". For all those house-hard kids in ol' Europe Miami is like a Mekka in those months.
Remember the KL flight that was chartered like a party boat? Hell of a PR!

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
AF sending their old 744 to MIA shows just how unimportant MIA is to them. The route had a very nice 777 flying them.

Though MIA is an attractive market for Europeans all year round, the premium heavy flights come down in winter. That's why LH uses the A380 in the winter schedule.



// You know you're an aviation enthusiast when you look at your neighbour's cars and think about fleet commonality.
User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 632 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
AF sending their old 744 to MIA shows just how unimportant MIA is to them.

I have to disagree ! Why would AF send one of their 7 retroffited 744 to MIA if the destination was "unimportant" to them ?
These aircraft are owned freehold by AF (no lease agreement on them, unlike most if not all their 777s) and are therefore able to support a low yield traffic, which is certainly the case for MIA during the summer season. It is an appropriate decision IMHO.
Anyway, the business of an airline consists in making money out of flying. From this prospect, there are no "important" or "unimportant" destinations, but profitable or unprofitable destinations. You cannot blame an airline that makes whatever decision deemed necessary to maximise a destination profitability.



Quoting Semaex (Reply 13):
Because that's what they don't get in Europe  

Obviously you have never been to the French Riviera during the summer season !



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things - A. de Saint Exupery
User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 14):
These aircraft are owned freehold by AF (no lease agreement on them, unlike most if not all their 777s) and are therefore able to support a low yield traffic, which is certainly the case for MIA during the summer season. It is an appropriate decision IMHO.

Which goes to support the argument that Miami's warm weather is too much of a good thing during the summer. I don't know if I would go as far as to call the route low-yielding, though.

In any case, I'm glad to see another regular 747 back at MIA. Sadly, it won't be long before they're all just memories.


User currently offlinemiaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 14):

"Old" or "New" 744...we will take it, the days of the 747 heavies coming from Europe back to back are no more. Now we just have British Airways twice daily and seasonal LH 744 service. I remember the days of 747 rush hour: IB, BA, AZ, LH, AF!

Good luck to XL Airways! those fares sound great, I may have to cross the pond come fall!



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User currently offlinespinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 8):
The problem is that these guys have the most terrible booking system. Not a single online travel agent offers them. Their online website is also terrible, it advertises their Galaxy class but never lets you book it... I called twice and some rather clueless agents said that either it did not exist or you had to buy a coach seat and calll back later to get a business class seat. No way I am doing this taking the risk of flying in the back.

I flew them last year CDG-JFK. I found the fare searching on Kayak and booked via Cheapoair (at least I think it was them).

I was quite pleased with the service. I was able to snag a bulkhead seat too which was nice.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Loaded into the GDS yesterday. A MIA-CDG roundtrip is pricing at $699 and change. Not bad at all!

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