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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 557 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11214 times:
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I read an inside newsletter today that states AA's Miami new upcoming service to be

MIA-FDF B738
MIA-PTP B738
(Which were already announced)

MIA-CWB-POA-MIA B763
(We finally know equipment and routing)

MIA-GEO B738
MIA-PBM B738

Once this is confirmed, will AA be the first Airline to serve every country in North, Central and South America? If we throw in the Caribbean, of course Cuba is left out ( charters dont count). Aside from Cuba, which Islands that are currently receiving some sort of airline service are not served by AA or Eagle? Or Seaborn/Cape Air for that matter since they will be code sharing with AA soon.

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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10984 times:

Quoting aacun (Thread starter):
I read an inside newsletter today that states AA's Miami new upcoming service to be

Did they say anything about DFW-BOG and what equipment and schedule would be?



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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 557 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10886 times:
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No, sorry. It just mentioned upcoming new Miami service. Nothing on DFW-BOG. I will let you know if I find out anything on that.

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2230 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10866 times:

[quote=LAXdude1023,reply=1 Did they say anything about DFW-BOG and what equipment and schedule would be?[/quote]

Ditto. I want to know concrete information about this route, before we de-rail into topics about LAN/TAM/LATAM codeshares/routes until the DFW-BOG and new MIA routes are addressed. Thx.

This is the last I've heard:


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10846 times:

What about French Guiana?


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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10614 times:

Suppoesdly 3x weekly each to Paramaribo and Georgetown starting in the fall. But not quite official just yet. I had heard AA was considering serving them in a triangle.

MIAGEO and MIAPBM are both about 40 PDEW, but the majority of Georgetown demand comes from Broward. MIA-PBM has no non-stop service, as Surinam Airways has always opted to serve it via a third point. Currently Surinam Airways flies MIA-AUA-PBM 3w and MIA-GEO-PBM 2w. The fares are sky high to Surinam, though. Could be a goldmine. Guyana, not as easy.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
t about French Guiana?


As it is part of France, it is still technically correct that AA will serve every country in South America (and Latin America for that matter; as Cuba is served with scheduled charters to Havana, Cienfuegos, Santiago and Holguin).
Quoting aacun (Thread starter):
Aside from Cuba, which Islands that are currently receiving some sort of airline service are not served by AA or Eagle? Or Seaborn/Cape Air for that matter since they will be code sharing with AA soon.

Among independent countries, just Dominica (which will have Seabourne take over) and St. Vincent & The Grenadines.

However, AA is studying service to DOM with its own planes from Miami, and the new airport in St. Vincent, which I believe opens late this year, has a runway long enough for (and designed to attract) non-stops to Miami.

[Edited 2013-02-26 10:07:40]


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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10375 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
However, AA is studying service to DOM with its own planes from Miami

Could a CRJ700 do this? Not sure if there is enough of a market for it, but maybe a couple of times a week.



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10227 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 6):
Could a CRJ700 do this? Not sure if there is enough of a market for it, but maybe a couple of times a week.

Apparently Amerijet flies a 727 into DOM. I wonder if AA could do MIA-DOM with an E190?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10190 times:

If AA is to start GEO and PBM, then the only South American countries not served by AA will be French Guiana and Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas).
Now that DL has left JFK-GEO maybe AA could do a JFK-GEO-MIA-GEO-JFK rotation w/B737-800 3-4 days per week.



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User currently offlineSFOJFK From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10153 times:

PBM and all of Suriname have links to the Netherlands. Wonder if this could spark an AA flight to AMS from MIA.

User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days ago) and read 9893 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
If AA is to start GEO and PBM, then the only South American countries not served by AA will be French Guiana and Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas).
.

The Falkland Islands are not a country. They are a British Overseas Territory.



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User currently offlinerwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9832 times:

Quoting SFOJFK (Reply 9):
PBM and all of Suriname have links to the Netherlands. Wonder if this could spark an AA flight to AMS from MIA.

PMB is already served daily from AMS on both KLM and Suriname Airways. I suppose AA could pick up some traffic, but the market already has plenty of nonstop service. I doubt anyone would go through the hassle of transferring at MIA (or getting a US visa) unless the cost savings were substantial (and thus meaning AA's yields aren't good).


User currently offlineNostromopilot From Mexico, joined Feb 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9564 times:

This appears to be unprecedented and quite an achievement for a singular airline to fly (if rumors prove truthful) to every country on a continent/region. Are we still hearing Cordoba, Argentina at some point?

The only other historical examples of an airline coming remotely close to this would possibly be (soviet) Aeroflot flying to literally everywhere in its area (USSR) and/or TWA and Pan Am flying to about every country in Europe in the 1970s or Sabena flying to just about everywhere in Africa.

Is SA really the only place where this is even feasible?

Thoughts?


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4103 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9436 times:

Quoting Nostromopilot (Reply 12):
Is SA really the only place where this is even feasible?

Flying to every country in Europe seems like it shouldn't be too difficult given the relatively small distances involved although small countries like Andorra and Monaco could complicate the attempt. South America seems like even more of a feat because it's a carrier from North America flying from distant hubs.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4751 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):


If AA is to start GEO and PBM, then the only South American countries not served by AA will be French Guiana and Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas).

The Falklands are not part of South America, that was assured in 1982.

Quoting DCAJet (Reply 10):

The Falkland Islands are not a country. They are a British Overseas Territory.

Well said.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6312 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8501 times:

MIA-GEO B738
MIA-PBM B738

All good unless BW decides to start GEO - MIA with a Gov't fuel subsidy   



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8315 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
Currently Surinam Airways flies MIA-AUA-PBM 3w and MIA-GEO-PBM 2w. The fares are sky high to Surinam, though.

And PY are notoriously unreliable, or at least this is the impression I get from the passengers who come up to me.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
All good unless BW decides to start GEO - MIA with a Gov't fuel subsidy

BW already serves GEO-MIA via POS.


User currently offlineBommerJan From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
What about French Guiana?

You mean from the Unoited Staits?  


User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 14):
The Falklands are not part of South America, that was assured in 1982.

A British overseas territory, but still South America.
Besides, with a population of less than 3000 people I doubt AA would fly there in a hurry!


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2425 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 14):
The Falklands are not part of South America, that was assured in 1982.

Thats like saying that the former British Honduras(Belize) wasnt part of central america simply due to English rule.

British governance is irrelevant, the Falklands sit on the South American tectonic plate so they are geologically part of South America.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

Quoting Nostromopilot (Reply 12):
This appears to be unprecedented and quite an achievement for a singular airline to fly (if rumors prove truthful) to every country on a continent/region. Are we still hearing Cordoba, Argentina at some point?

The only other historical examples of an airline coming remotely close to this would possibly be (soviet) Aeroflot flying to literally everywhere in its area (USSR) and/or TWA and Pan Am flying to about every country in Europe in the 1970s or Sabena flying to just about everywhere in Africa.

Is SA really the only place where this is even feasible?

Depending in how you define the continent, it would be easy to argue that any airline that flies down here serves every country on the Australian continent.

But yes, it certainly is a massive achievement.


User currently onlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 800 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5686 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
All good unless BW decides to start GEO - MIA with a Gov't fuel subsidy

Come on, you know they will.



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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 876 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

The Falklands are an interesting case given the forthcoming referendum on March 10/11 concerning the islands future 'ownership'. The UK ownership is disputed by Argentina, so two possible sovereignties to consider going forward.

If British sovereignty continues then the islands are covered as part of the UK via the AA flights to mainland GB.

If, unlikely as it seems, the Falklanders vote against being British and presumably would then join Argentina then the islands are covered by AAs flight to mainline Argentina, eg EZE.

If the Falklanders decide to be totally independent of any other country then the route planners at AA better get their globes out, find out where the islands are, and send a 757 down there pronto - and if they really wanted to be sneaky they could put Mount Pleasant on as an add on to their flights to EZE....

PS At the moment international flights comprise, I believe, a weekly flight A320 by LAN from Santiago and ad hoc flights from RAF Brize Norton [England] operated by the UK Ministry of defence and open to civilian travellers.


User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

With passengers with final destination of POA, will they have to exit the plane or clear customs in CWB?

User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9961 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4402 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
Suppoesdly 3x weekly each to Paramaribo and Georgetown starting in the fall. But not quite official just yet. I had heard AA was considering serving them in a triangle.

Interesting, is this the first route in the region that AA wants to serve in a triangle? To my knowledge all their flights in the region are nonstop flights, is that correct?

Meanwhile, I'm still hoping AA will increase capacity to CUR as they have been flying full on both daily flights for a long time now and their fares aren't the cheapest. Even if AA can't introduce a third daily 738 flight, maybe replace one of the flights with a 757 on a daily basis or 3 times a week? I think they can fill the extra capacity.

A388

[Edited 2013-02-27 10:52:31]

25 mah4546 : Don't think it will be a triangle. Independent flights to each; but honestly a triangle routing would not shock me. As for triangles in the region, M
26 A388 : I was actually referring to the Caribbean region but now I know, thanks. A388
27 guyanam : BW will not likely do GEO MIA nonstop. If AA does this they definitely will not be stupid enough to try it. Dont know if you know this but Guyana doe
28 OB1504 : Are they really that lucrative if AA is dropping them?
29 guyanam : Lucrative as defined by volume though not necessarily yield as B6 is killing them. Islands with nonstop AA service from JFK are PAP,SJU,STT,SKB,ANU a
30 ikramerica : All very interesting, but they are not currently a country, just a place. AA never claims to fly to every place in South America, but every country.
31 mah4546 : Small? No. NYCSXM, NYCPAP and NYCSTT are all larger than NYCBGI, but even NYCBGI is a very large local market. Problematic? You fly a plane to PAP an
32 Max Q : Er, being on the same tectonic plate does not mean you are politically part of an adjacent continent ! And believe me, British Government is extremel
33 A388 : Just to clarify, I didn't say that AA will do a triangular routing, but mah4546 did and he already said that such a routing is unlikely to happen. Re
34 mah4546 : FDF/PTP are Small markets (around 15 PDEW each to Miami, the largest mainland local market from both), but outstanding yield.
35 2travel2know2 : Mainland as mainland U.S.A.? I'd think numbers between FDF/PTP and YUL; FDF/PTP and CAY (mainland Americas) are higher.
36 A388 : Thanks for the replies mah4546 and 2travel2know2. AA can indeed be an option for traffic between Canada and these islands but I think AC already flie
37 FoxBravo : Just curious, what drives the high yields to these islands? There isn't much high-end tourism from the US and I can't imagine there is much business
38 A388 : Maybe the fact that they use the Euro as their local currency, being a French overseas territory. A388
39 BoeingGuy : So AA is applying for ORD-GRU and LAX-GRU. What's next? When does COR come? What other secondary SA markets could support AA service? Sounds like CUZ
40 guyanam : MIA PTP and MIA FDF are quite likely to be booked out by the Club Med and other package deals. The same folks who currentky use AE out of SJU. I woul
41 Byrdluvs747 : Still doesn't remove the fact that the Falklands are part of South America. Just as British Honduras is was part of central america. The british flag
42 BigGSFO : They are? Has this been announced? Edited: nevermind. I found it.[Edited 2013-02-28 23:08:23]
43 guyanam : Here is the difference between S Africa and Falklands. Most of the people who live in the latter are of British extraction, and desire to remain a Br
44 Byrdluvs747 : Again. Neither people, flags, nor governments change geography/geology. The Falklands still rest as part of South America.
45 guyanam : Falklanders consider themselves British, most of them. Thats is what governs what they are.. Also do you consider Grenada to be part of South America
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