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50 Years Of The One-Eleven  
User currently offlinehotplane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

August 2013 marks the 50th anniversary of the BAC 1-11 entry in to service.

The only two airworthy examples left are the pair operated by Northrop Grumman as testbeds, both of which have recently been repainted. www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=8246.

The last one flying in the UK was the QinetiQ aircraft based at Boscombe, and that has just been retired. http://www.bac1-11jet.co.uk/bac1-11j....uk%20The%2050th%20Anniversary.htm

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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
The only two airworthy examples left are the pair operated by Northrop Grumman

Unless something has changed in the last month, N999BW remains completely airworthy in Dallas, TX. Although, it's currently for sale. Additionally N789CF (former VASP) remains complete, intact in Kansas (USA) awaiting its fate. There are two derelicts owned by NG in the CA desert and one other derlict somewhere else in the midwest.

In the past year, three BAC 1-11's (two complete @ MCO / formerly owned by Jack Safro) were destroyed a few months ago with the other one, which was supposedly near Sacramento (Castle Airport) has also "disappeared". Additonally, there still may be a couple frames out there for fire training thou I haven't looked into those.

This leaves 4 complete frames and 3 derelict frames remaining in the US (without the fire training frames that I haven't looked into.)

[Edited 2013-02-26 10:23:39]


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User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

And a pair of ex Austral 1-11 500 in Buenos Aires - LV-MZM (c/n 187) and LV-OAX (c/n 197). Neither of the two in flying conditions - one being used as a trainer for the fire dept @ SADM.


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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Fantastic little plane, my first flight was on a 1-11-400, in a backward facing seat. I have since flown on all versions that entered service 200-500. Spent a lot of time on 1-11's flying MAN-Europe when I lived there, mostly BA, but also flown on BCAL, EI and Dan Air. Hopefully some aircraft will be saved and used in Museums, or even flying.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
The last one flying in the UK was the QinetiQ aircraft based at Boscombe

Here it is:

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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Once, in the 70s, I've had the chance to fly with this bird from CGN-BIA and back. It was a nice ride.

But, hell, this was one of the loudest beasts out there.

[Edited 2013-02-27 03:52:26]


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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

UNITED727

I thought that only 2 BAC 111 were scrapped in MCO last year, (N200EE and N200JX).

Please can you confirm the id of the third.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting col (Reply 3):
Fantastic little plane, my first flight was on a 1-11-400, in a backward facing seat. I have since flown on all versions that entered service 200-500. Spent a lot of time on 1-11's flying MAN-Europe when I lived there, mostly BA, but also flown on BCAL, EI and Dan Air. Hopefully some aircraft will be saved and used in Museums, or even flying.

During the 70 and early 80s they were ubiquitous with Manchester.
An example year 1978
Aer Lingus, British Airways (6 or 7 based an any one time) , British Caledonian (Aside - Did you know BCAL operated a Navajo on one of the weekday Gatwick flight that year !), Dan Air, Laker.

Others have included Phoenix Aviation (A Swiss outfif) , Bavaria, and even Swissair and SAS examples.

And just about ever UK charter carrier.

I think that the very best place for the RAE 1-11 to retire to must be the Manchester Aeropark - Its more fitting than that Trident and dart thing in the tent !


User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

@Bennett123

Please REREAD reply 1 : "with the other one, which was supposedly near Sacramento (Castle Airport) has also "disappeared".

Contact with FBO's at Castle airport has clearly noted that "101PC" is now a memory. The plane is NO LONGER THERE and I could attain no further comment as to where or when it might it been displaced.

If you have any further questions please have Peter email me privately. TY.



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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4338 times:
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Flew the BAC1-11 BOI-PDX and back May 1982 on Pacific Express. Older interior over (seat cushions thin and not soft lol) with newer, "cushioner" ones back.
What I remember most of the 1-11 was , living in Boise, seeing the smoke trail of them as they departed town. If there was no wind you could follow it for quite awhile.
Good times  



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4193 times:

A type sadly missing from my log, but one I practically grew up with at LTN as a kid as this was one of the few scheduled movements (to DUB) at that time
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Whoever would have thought back then...

After FR got rid of their own and acquired the 732's, they still operated the DUB-LTN route with the European 1-11's which they acquired from BA. They were the last 1-11's to be regularly seen all over UK airports in the mid 90's operating ACMI flights and showed up all over Europe as a result. LTN was certainly one of the last regular ports of call. Some operated for the short lived Air Belfast and Air Bristol into STN too.


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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

United727

Sorry, my mistake.

http://www.bac1-11jet.co.uk/?oo=0 shows that it was there in 2000, but no end date.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...ts.aspx?NNumbertxt=101PC&x=10&y=14

Shows that it was registered to Sky King Inc on 14/08/2003 and that the reg expired on 30/06/2012.

My guess is that it was scrapped between those dates.


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Sep 30 2009

It's time to give you an update regarding the BAC 1-11 fleet in the USA starting with N101PC. This aircraft was photographed by Simon Cod at Atwater Merced, a former US Air Force base on the 19th September 2009. It has been parked there for several years and most definitely won't be flying again, despite its appearance.

I also found this on the same site, (picture was included.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7000 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Ah, my first ever jet flight was on an EI 1-11 from Dublin to Cork in 1966. Wonderful plane.   

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 5):
But, hell, this was one of the loudest beasts out there.

  


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/richsnyder/4280098467/lightbox/

I have now found this image dated 16/01/2010.

And this one http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7349172 dated 23/03/2012.

The earlier image is definitely reg N101PC, but the later image is not at a good angle.

However, unless there is a second BAC 111 with the same markings, it seems that N101PC survived until at least 23/03/2012. I am of course assuming that the images are correctly dated.

It may still be there, given that the reg expired rather than being cancelled.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

US Air used to operate them into ROC a long time ago!


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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 2047 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 5):
But, hell, this was one of the loudest beasts out there.

Hell, as you say, even with hush-kits, like a Tu-134. And sorry for all the 1-11 lovers, but what an ugly airliner.



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

I remember as a kid hearing these things absolutely roar out of LTN.

Incredible how such a small aircraft could make such a disproportionately loud noise.


User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

Not too long ago someone from over the pond remarked, that us "Yanks" aren't interested in the BAC 1-11. We are moreso interested in preserving the American airliners like Boeing, DC/MDD and Lockheed. Whilst this is somewhat true, it would be nice to see the remander of the 401AK subfleet (two AA) being preserved airworthy after they're retired by NG. Although, It would probably cost a small fortune to remodify the nose and interiors back to their PAX days....


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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 1):
Unless something has changed in the last month, N999BW remains completely airworthy in Dallas, TX.

As of yesterday 2/27/13 it was still there, its parked on the Northwest side of the airport and clearly visible from Denton Dr.



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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 19):
As of yesterday 2/27/13 it was still there, its parked on the Northwest side of the airport and clearly visible from Denton Dr.

Thank you for your follow up and affirmation that it's still there!  



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User currently offlineBSRadar From UK - England, joined Jan 2013, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 5):
But, hell, this was one of the loudest beasts out there.

Outside - quite, but not "the best". Anybody else here with me on this - the Trident 3 with the 4th (turbojet assister) turned on when the weather turned a little warm? Now, that roared, crackled and gave me a tingle!

Inside the 1-11cabin - at the back, yes. Certainly conversation limiting during take-off, climb. Forward - you wouldn't notice much vis-a-vis others of the day.

I flew on most of all the BA/BCal 1-11's and others from Dan-Air and even British Midland (G-WLAD -300 with the brown nose!).

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 16):
Hell, as you say, even with hush-kits, like a Tu-134. And sorry for all the 1-11 lovers, but what an ugly airliner.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and those that miss 'em.

Loved 'em. Remember them for what they were - the first truly effective, efficient(!!?), Regional Jet. They changed many people's lives, directly and indirectly, just by showing what can be done. For that reason alone, one should be preserved. Take your hats off to them. Respect!


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 20):

Welcome  



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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 19):
As of yesterday 2/27/13 it was still there, its parked on the Northwest side of the airport and clearly visible from Denton Dr.

Not only is she there, but I was in town last month and visited her during an engine run-up after a meeting with Southwest. Having a few hours prior to my departing flight and more than just a little curiosity, I ventured in to the facility and met the owners of the plane. She's still seeing semi-regular charter work but she's becoming more expensive to operate every day.

The owner has a love-affair with the BAC-1-11 and plans to keep her flying as long as he possibly can. A true AvGeek.



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User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5157 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 16):
And sorry for all the 1-11 lovers, but what an ugly airliner.

I always found the BAC 111 to be an attractive airliner ... trim, proportionate, and when viewed from the front on final with full flaps, it showed a tremendous about of airfoil!

When I was a kid, I used to peddle my bike onto the roof on Toronto Terminal One, (then the only terminal). I recall seeing the BAC 111s of American, Mohawk and Allegheny and compare them to the prop airliners and the then new stubby DC-9, and considered it more attractive.

But I also read on here, someone considered the B727 "ugly" ... and them's fightin' words!



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25 bobloblaw : How long did US AIR keep theirs? I know they came with the Mohawk. I use to see them in YUL with QB. Never flew one sadly.
26 Post contains images woodsboy : I posted this on that other thread about the 2 BAC 1-11s being scrapped recently but I thought it worth a re-post! I took this in early Sept, 2012 at
27 mayor : Is this: The same as this: Is this the old "Castle AFB" near Merced, CA? Probably referring to "outside". When I worked for DL at ORD in the 70s, I be
28 Post contains links Viscount724 : Their last 1-11s were retired in 1989. Here are a couple of earlier threads on US BAC 1-11s. Some Questions About USAir's BAC 1-11s. (by mkh32404 Jan
29 AVIATEUR : I remember USAir / Allegheny One-Elevens quite well, roaring off (god they were LOUD little planes) from BOS for such exotic destinations as Albany an
30 United727 : Yes, Mayor, that's one in the same! I want to admit I was WRONG. In fact, I finally got a hold of someone out at Castle who not only CONFIRMED N101PC
31 goosebayguy : I saw N999BW flying about 2 years ago. Lovely to see it landing at LAX. Also saw a bare metal one at Bournemouth 2 years ago which I've never been abl
32 Post contains images yyz717 : I was lucky enough to fly on 3 1-11's in the 90's on the following routes: BA BCN-LHR (1990) BA JER-MAN (1990) EAT DUB-STN (1996) operating for FR. I
33 bennett123 : United727 Hope that you are not feeling bruised about this. We all often have to rely on info from others, and it is not always correct. Many thanks f
34 yellowtail : I used to fly them all the time with TA. I once had a landing gear problem on one (wouldn't go down) , and I saw the captain come out of the cockpit a
35 United727 : David, Not at all! I make mistakes all the time! Sent you a private message and awaiting your response....
36 bennett123 : Sorry, I do not seem to have received it. Please can you re send.
37 United727 : When you click into the "Civil Aviation Forum" look directly to the right and you'll see "YOU HAVE A MESSAGE" in yellow. Click on that! You have to b
38 quiet1 : Growing up as a spotter in CLE in the early to mid 70's, my favorite memory of the BAC 1-11 was the crackling noise it made when taking off. IIRC, bot
39 babybus : Chalk me up as a 1-11 fan. I used to ramp these at Gatwick for BA, EI, DA, KD and a few others. I loved the idea they had integral stairs at the front
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