United727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6249 times:
Quoting hotplane (Thread starter): The only two airworthy examples left are the pair operated by Northrop Grumman
Unless something has changed in the last month, N999BW remains completely airworthy in Dallas, TX. Although, it's currently for sale. Additionally N789CF (former VASP) remains complete, intact in Kansas (USA) awaiting its fate. There are two derelicts owned by NG in the CA desert and one other derlict somewhere else in the midwest.
In the past year, three BAC 1-11's (two complete @ MCO / formerly owned by Jack Safro) were destroyed a few months ago with the other one, which was supposedly near Sacramento (Castle Airport) has also "disappeared". Additonally, there still may be a couple frames out there for fire training thou I haven't looked into those.
This leaves 4 complete frames and 3 derelict frames remaining in the US (without the fire training frames that I haven't looked into.)
col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5890 times:
Fantastic little plane, my first flight was on a 1-11-400, in a backward facing seat. I have since flown on all versions that entered service 200-500. Spent a lot of time on 1-11's flying MAN-Europe when I lived there, mostly BA, but also flown on BCAL, EI and Dan Air. Hopefully some aircraft will be saved and used in Museums, or even flying.
rutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5213 times:
Quoting col (Reply 3): Fantastic little plane, my first flight was on a 1-11-400, in a backward facing seat. I have since flown on all versions that entered service 200-500. Spent a lot of time on 1-11's flying MAN-Europe when I lived there, mostly BA, but also flown on BCAL, EI and Dan Air. Hopefully some aircraft will be saved and used in Museums, or even flying.
During the 70 and early 80s they were ubiquitous with Manchester.
An example year 1978
Aer Lingus, British Airways (6 or 7 based an any one time) , British Caledonian (Aside - Did you know BCAL operated a Navajo on one of the weekday Gatwick flight that year !), Dan Air, Laker.
Others have included Phoenix Aviation (A Swiss outfif) , Bavaria, and even Swissair and SAS examples.
And just about ever UK charter carrier.
I think that the very best place for the RAE 1-11 to retire to must be the Manchester Aeropark - Its more fitting than that Trident and dart thing in the tent !
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
Flew the BAC1-11 BOI-PDX and back May 1982 on Pacific Express. Older interior over (seat cushions thin and not soft lol) with newer, "cushioner" ones back.
What I remember most of the 1-11 was , living in Boise, seeing the smoke trail of them as they departed town. If there was no wind you could follow it for quite awhile.
After FR got rid of their own and acquired the 732's, they still operated the DUB-LTN route with the European 1-11's which they acquired from BA. They were the last 1-11's to be regularly seen all over UK airports in the mid 90's operating ACMI flights and showed up all over Europe as a result. LTN was certainly one of the last regular ports of call. Some operated for the short lived Air Belfast and Air Bristol into STN too.
bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 9124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4634 times:
Sep 30 2009
It's time to give you an update regarding the BAC 1-11 fleet in the USA starting with N101PC. This aircraft was photographed by Simon Cod at Atwater Merced, a former US Air Force base on the 19th September 2009. It has been parked there for several years and most definitely won't be flying again, despite its appearance.
I also found this on the same site, (picture was included.
United727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
Not too long ago someone from over the pond remarked, that us "Yanks" aren't interested in the BAC 1-11. We are moreso interested in preserving the American airliners like Boeing, DC/MDD and Lockheed. Whilst this is somewhat true, it would be nice to see the remander of the 401AK subfleet (two AA) being preserved airworthy after they're retired by NG. Although, It would probably cost a small fortune to remodify the nose and interiors back to their PAX days....
Outside - quite, but not "the best". Anybody else here with me on this - the Trident 3 with the 4th (turbojet assister) turned on when the weather turned a little warm? Now, that roared, crackled and gave me a tingle!
Inside the 1-11cabin - at the back, yes. Certainly conversation limiting during take-off, climb. Forward - you wouldn't notice much vis-a-vis others of the day.
I flew on most of all the BA/BCal 1-11's and others from Dan-Air and even British Midland (G-WLAD -300 with the brown nose!).
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 16): Hell, as you say, even with hush-kits, like a Tu-134. And sorry for all the 1-11 lovers, but what an ugly airliner.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and those that miss 'em.
Loved 'em. Remember them for what they were - the first truly effective, efficient(!!?), Regional Jet. They changed many people's lives, directly and indirectly, just by showing what can be done. For that reason alone, one should be preserved. Take your hats off to them. Respect!
mrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3978 times:
Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 19): As of yesterday 2/27/13 it was still there, its parked on the Northwest side of the airport and clearly visible from Denton Dr.
Not only is she there, but I was in town last month and visited her during an engine run-up after a meeting with Southwest. Having a few hours prior to my departing flight and more than just a little curiosity, I ventured in to the facility and met the owners of the plane. She's still seeing semi-regular charter work but she's becoming more expensive to operate every day.
The owner has a love-affair with the BAC-1-11 and plans to keep her flying as long as he possibly can. A true AvGeek.
"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
I always found the BAC 111 to be an attractive airliner ... trim, proportionate, and when viewed from the front on final with full flaps, it showed a tremendous about of airfoil!
When I was a kid, I used to peddle my bike onto the roof on Toronto Terminal One, (then the only terminal). I recall seeing the BAC 111s of American, Mohawk and Allegheny and compare them to the prop airliners and the then new stubby DC-9, and considered it more attractive.
But I also read on here, someone considered the B727 "ugly" ... and them's fightin' words!
Just because I stopped arguing, doesn't mean I think you are right. It just means I gave up!
: How long did US AIR keep theirs? I know they came with the Mohawk. I use to see them in YUL with QB. Never flew one sadly.
: I posted this on that other thread about the 2 BAC 1-11s being scrapped recently but I thought it worth a re-post! I took this in early Sept, 2012 at
: Is this: The same as this: Is this the old "Castle AFB" near Merced, CA? Probably referring to "outside". When I worked for DL at ORD in the 70s, I be
: Their last 1-11s were retired in 1989. Here are a couple of earlier threads on US BAC 1-11s. Some Questions About USAir's BAC 1-11s. (by mkh32404 Jan
: I remember USAir / Allegheny One-Elevens quite well, roaring off (god they were LOUD little planes) from BOS for such exotic destinations as Albany an
: Yes, Mayor, that's one in the same! I want to admit I was WRONG. In fact, I finally got a hold of someone out at Castle who not only CONFIRMED N101PC
: I saw N999BW flying about 2 years ago. Lovely to see it landing at LAX. Also saw a bare metal one at Bournemouth 2 years ago which I've never been abl
: I was lucky enough to fly on 3 1-11's in the 90's on the following routes: BA BCN-LHR (1990) BA JER-MAN (1990) EAT DUB-STN (1996) operating for FR. I
: United727 Hope that you are not feeling bruised about this. We all often have to rely on info from others, and it is not always correct. Many thanks f
: I used to fly them all the time with TA. I once had a landing gear problem on one (wouldn't go down) , and I saw the captain come out of the cockpit a
: David, Not at all! I make mistakes all the time! Sent you a private message and awaiting your response....
: Sorry, I do not seem to have received it. Please can you re send.
: When you click into the "Civil Aviation Forum" look directly to the right and you'll see "YOU HAVE A MESSAGE" in yellow. Click on that! You have to b
: Growing up as a spotter in CLE in the early to mid 70's, my favorite memory of the BAC 1-11 was the crackling noise it made when taking off. IIRC, bot
: Chalk me up as a 1-11 fan. I used to ramp these at Gatwick for BA, EI, DA, KD and a few others. I loved the idea they had integral stairs at the front