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50 Years Of The One-Eleven  
User currently offlinehotplane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

August 2013 marks the 50th anniversary of the BAC 1-11 entry in to service.

The only two airworthy examples left are the pair operated by Northrop Grumman as testbeds, both of which have recently been repainted. www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=8246.

The last one flying in the UK was the QinetiQ aircraft based at Boscombe, and that has just been retired. http://www.bac1-11jet.co.uk/bac1-11j....uk%20The%2050th%20Anniversary.htm

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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
The only two airworthy examples left are the pair operated by Northrop Grumman

Unless something has changed in the last month, N999BW remains completely airworthy in Dallas, TX. Although, it's currently for sale. Additionally N789CF (former VASP) remains complete, intact in Kansas (USA) awaiting its fate. There are two derelicts owned by NG in the CA desert and one other derlict somewhere else in the midwest.

In the past year, three BAC 1-11's (two complete @ MCO / formerly owned by Jack Safro) were destroyed a few months ago with the other one, which was supposedly near Sacramento (Castle Airport) has also "disappeared". Additonally, there still may be a couple frames out there for fire training thou I haven't looked into those.

This leaves 4 complete frames and 3 derelict frames remaining in the US (without the fire training frames that I haven't looked into.)

[Edited 2013-02-26 10:23:39]


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User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

And a pair of ex Austral 1-11 500 in Buenos Aires - LV-MZM (c/n 187) and LV-OAX (c/n 197). Neither of the two in flying conditions - one being used as a trainer for the fire dept @ SADM.


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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2127 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

Fantastic little plane, my first flight was on a 1-11-400, in a backward facing seat. I have since flown on all versions that entered service 200-500. Spent a lot of time on 1-11's flying MAN-Europe when I lived there, mostly BA, but also flown on BCAL, EI and Dan Air. Hopefully some aircraft will be saved and used in Museums, or even flying.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7679 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
The last one flying in the UK was the QinetiQ aircraft based at Boscombe

Here it is:

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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

Once, in the 70s, I've had the chance to fly with this bird from CGN-BIA and back. It was a nice ride.

But, hell, this was one of the loudest beasts out there.

[Edited 2013-02-27 03:52:26]


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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7742 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

UNITED727

I thought that only 2 BAC 111 were scrapped in MCO last year, (N200EE and N200JX).

Please can you confirm the id of the third.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3024 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4479 times:
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Quoting col (Reply 3):
Fantastic little plane, my first flight was on a 1-11-400, in a backward facing seat. I have since flown on all versions that entered service 200-500. Spent a lot of time on 1-11's flying MAN-Europe when I lived there, mostly BA, but also flown on BCAL, EI and Dan Air. Hopefully some aircraft will be saved and used in Museums, or even flying.

During the 70 and early 80s they were ubiquitous with Manchester.
An example year 1978
Aer Lingus, British Airways (6 or 7 based an any one time) , British Caledonian (Aside - Did you know BCAL operated a Navajo on one of the weekday Gatwick flight that year !), Dan Air, Laker.

Others have included Phoenix Aviation (A Swiss outfif) , Bavaria, and even Swissair and SAS examples.

And just about ever UK charter carrier.

I think that the very best place for the RAE 1-11 to retire to must be the Manchester Aeropark - Its more fitting than that Trident and dart thing in the tent !


User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

@Bennett123

Please REREAD reply 1 : "with the other one, which was supposedly near Sacramento (Castle Airport) has also "disappeared".

Contact with FBO's at Castle airport has clearly noted that "101PC" is now a memory. The plane is NO LONGER THERE and I could attain no further comment as to where or when it might it been displaced.

If you have any further questions please have Peter email me privately. TY.



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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2478 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
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Flew the BAC1-11 BOI-PDX and back May 1982 on Pacific Express. Older interior over (seat cushions thin and not soft lol) with newer, "cushioner" ones back.
What I remember most of the 1-11 was , living in Boise, seeing the smoke trail of them as they departed town. If there was no wind you could follow it for quite awhile.
Good times  



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User currently onlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

A type sadly missing from my log, but one I practically grew up with at LTN as a kid as this was one of the few scheduled movements (to DUB) at that time
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Whoever would have thought back then...

After FR got rid of their own and acquired the 732's, they still operated the DUB-LTN route with the European 1-11's which they acquired from BA. They were the last 1-11's to be regularly seen all over UK airports in the mid 90's operating ACMI flights and showed up all over Europe as a result. LTN was certainly one of the last regular ports of call. Some operated for the short lived Air Belfast and Air Bristol into STN too.


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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7742 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

United727

Sorry, my mistake.

http://www.bac1-11jet.co.uk/?oo=0 shows that it was there in 2000, but no end date.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...ts.aspx?NNumbertxt=101PC&x=10&y=14

Shows that it was registered to Sky King Inc on 14/08/2003 and that the reg expired on 30/06/2012.

My guess is that it was scrapped between those dates.


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7742 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Sep 30 2009

It's time to give you an update regarding the BAC 1-11 fleet in the USA starting with N101PC. This aircraft was photographed by Simon Cod at Atwater Merced, a former US Air Force base on the 19th September 2009. It has been parked there for several years and most definitely won't be flying again, despite its appearance.

I also found this on the same site, (picture was included.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6955 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Ah, my first ever jet flight was on an EI 1-11 from Dublin to Cork in 1966. Wonderful plane.   

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 5):
But, hell, this was one of the loudest beasts out there.

  


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7742 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/richsnyder/4280098467/lightbox/

I have now found this image dated 16/01/2010.

And this one http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7349172 dated 23/03/2012.

The earlier image is definitely reg N101PC, but the later image is not at a good angle.

However, unless there is a second BAC 111 with the same markings, it seems that N101PC survived until at least 23/03/2012. I am of course assuming that the images are correctly dated.

It may still be there, given that the reg expired rather than being cancelled.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

US Air used to operate them into ROC a long time ago!


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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1978 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 5):
But, hell, this was one of the loudest beasts out there.

Hell, as you say, even with hush-kits, like a Tu-134. And sorry for all the 1-11 lovers, but what an ugly airliner.



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

I remember as a kid hearing these things absolutely roar out of LTN.

Incredible how such a small aircraft could make such a disproportionately loud noise.


User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Not too long ago someone from over the pond remarked, that us "Yanks" aren't interested in the BAC 1-11. We are moreso interested in preserving the American airliners like Boeing, DC/MDD and Lockheed. Whilst this is somewhat true, it would be nice to see the remander of the 401AK subfleet (two AA) being preserved airworthy after they're retired by NG. Although, It would probably cost a small fortune to remodify the nose and interiors back to their PAX days....


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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1386 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 1):
Unless something has changed in the last month, N999BW remains completely airworthy in Dallas, TX.

As of yesterday 2/27/13 it was still there, its parked on the Northwest side of the airport and clearly visible from Denton Dr.



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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 19):
As of yesterday 2/27/13 it was still there, its parked on the Northwest side of the airport and clearly visible from Denton Dr.

Thank you for your follow up and affirmation that it's still there!  



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User currently offlineBSRadar From UK - England, joined Jan 2013, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 5):
But, hell, this was one of the loudest beasts out there.

Outside - quite, but not "the best". Anybody else here with me on this - the Trident 3 with the 4th (turbojet assister) turned on when the weather turned a little warm? Now, that roared, crackled and gave me a tingle!

Inside the 1-11cabin - at the back, yes. Certainly conversation limiting during take-off, climb. Forward - you wouldn't notice much vis-a-vis others of the day.

I flew on most of all the BA/BCal 1-11's and others from Dan-Air and even British Midland (G-WLAD -300 with the brown nose!).

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 16):
Hell, as you say, even with hush-kits, like a Tu-134. And sorry for all the 1-11 lovers, but what an ugly airliner.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and those that miss 'em.

Loved 'em. Remember them for what they were - the first truly effective, efficient(!!?), Regional Jet. They changed many people's lives, directly and indirectly, just by showing what can be done. For that reason alone, one should be preserved. Take your hats off to them. Respect!


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1386 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 20):

Welcome  



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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 19):
As of yesterday 2/27/13 it was still there, its parked on the Northwest side of the airport and clearly visible from Denton Dr.

Not only is she there, but I was in town last month and visited her during an engine run-up after a meeting with Southwest. Having a few hours prior to my departing flight and more than just a little curiosity, I ventured in to the facility and met the owners of the plane. She's still seeing semi-regular charter work but she's becoming more expensive to operate every day.

The owner has a love-affair with the BAC-1-11 and plans to keep her flying as long as he possibly can. A true AvGeek.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5121 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 16):
And sorry for all the 1-11 lovers, but what an ugly airliner.

I always found the BAC 111 to be an attractive airliner ... trim, proportionate, and when viewed from the front on final with full flaps, it showed a tremendous about of airfoil!

When I was a kid, I used to peddle my bike onto the roof on Toronto Terminal One, (then the only terminal). I recall seeing the BAC 111s of American, Mohawk and Allegheny and compare them to the prop airliners and the then new stubby DC-9, and considered it more attractive.

But I also read on here, someone considered the B727 "ugly" ... and them's fightin' words!



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

How long did US AIR keep theirs? I know they came with the Mohawk. I use to see them in YUL with QB. Never flew one sadly.

User currently offlinewoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

I posted this on that other thread about the 2 BAC 1-11s being scrapped recently but I thought it worth a re-post! I took this in early Sept, 2012 at Fairbanks International Airport and its obviously one of the Northrup Grumman 1-11s while here on avionics flight testing. From where I work I can see all the northerly departures from FAI and when this beauty departed as it did daily for 10 days or so, it rattled the windows and left a long black smoke trail off into the distance! Love it!
N164W at Fairbanks International, Sept, 2012


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10580 posts, RR: 14
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Is this:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 12):
This aircraft was photographed by Simon Cod at Atwater Merced, a former US Air Force base on the 19th September 2009.

The same as this:

Quoting United727 (Reply 1):
which was supposedly near Sacramento (Castle Airport)

Is this the old "Castle AFB" near Merced, CA?

Quoting BSRadar (Reply 21):
Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 5):
But, hell, this was one of the loudest beasts out there.

Outside - quite, but not "the best". Anybody else here with me on this - the Trident 3 with the 4th (turbojet assister) turned on when the weather turned a little warm? Now, that roared, crackled and gave me a tingle!

Inside the 1-11cabin - at the back, yes. Certainly conversation limiting during take-off, climb. Forward - you wouldn't notice much vis-a-vis others of the day.

Probably referring to "outside". When I worked for DL at ORD in the 70s, I believe that Allegheny and Braniff both had them. Along with the CV880s of DL and TW, it truly was a NOISY place. Pretty well explains where some of my hearing has gone to.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 25):
How long did US AIR keep theirs? I know they came with the Mohawk. I use to see them in YUL with QB. Never flew one sadly.

Their last 1-11s were retired in 1989. Here are a couple of earlier threads on US BAC 1-11s.
Some Questions About USAir's BAC 1-11s. (by mkh32404 Jan 21 2012 in Civil Aviation)
Allegheny/Mohawk/US Air BAC 111 Flights (by Sargek May 11 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineAVIATEUR From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1357 posts, RR: 11
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2815 times:

I remember USAir / Allegheny One-Elevens quite well, roaring off (god they were LOUD little planes) from BOS for such exotic destinations as Albany and Rochester and Buffalo.


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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 27):
Is this:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 12):
This aircraft was photographed by Simon Cod at Atwater Merced, a former US Air Force base on the 19th September 2009.

The same as this:

Quoting United727 (Reply 1):
which was supposedly near Sacramento (Castle Airport)

Is this the old "Castle AFB" near Merced, CA?

Yes, Mayor, that's one in the same!

I want to admit I was WRONG. In fact, I finally got a hold of someone out at Castle who not only CONFIRMED N101PC is still there, but also may be willing to take some digital shots of it in the next couple weeks, so I can get photos of this bird up for the BAC 1-11 fans out there! I've made a request for pics both inside and out. Well see if it happens!



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User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

I saw N999BW flying about 2 years ago. Lovely to see it landing at LAX. Also saw a bare metal one at Bournemouth 2 years ago which I've never been able to find out the registration for. Anyone know which it is?

User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 10):
After FR got rid of their own and acquired the 732's, they still operated the DUB-LTN route with the European 1-11's which they acquired from BA. They were the last 1-11's to be regularly seen all over UK airports in the mid 90's operating ACMI flights and showed up all over Europe as a result.

I was lucky enough to fly on 3 1-11's in the 90's on the following routes:
BA BCN-LHR (1990)
BA JER-MAN (1990)
EAT DUB-STN (1996) operating for FR. I remember sitting on this flight thinking it would be my last 1-11 flight, most likely.

Quoting AVIATEUR (Reply 29):
I remember USAir / Allegheny One-Elevens quite well, roaring off (god they were LOUD little planes) from BOS for such exotic destinations as Albany and Rochester and Buffalo.

I also remember the MohawkAllegheny/US 1-11's at YYZ from the late 60's through to the mid-80's. Similar destinations.  

YYZ also saw AA and QB (Quebecair) 1-11 service.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7742 posts, RR: 3
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

United727

Hope that you are not feeling bruised about this. We all often have to rely on info from others, and it is not always correct.

Many thanks for making contact at Castle.

Look forward to seeing the pictures.

David


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6292 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

I used to fly them all the time with TA. I once had a landing gear problem on one (wouldn't go down) , and I saw the captain come out of the cockpit and walk down the aisle with a winch in his hand. Where he was headed I dunno, but we landed safely


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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 33):
Hope that you are not feeling bruised about this. We all often have to rely on info from others, and it is not always correct.

David, Not at all! I make mistakes all the time! Sent you a private message and awaiting your response....



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7742 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Sorry, I do not seem to have received it.

Please can you re send.


User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 36):
Sorry, I do not seem to have received it.

When you click into the "Civil Aviation Forum" look directly to the right and you'll see "YOU HAVE A MESSAGE" in yellow. Click on that! You have to be on the main page of this forum at the top of the list of threads!



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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Growing up as a spotter in CLE in the early to mid 70's, my favorite memory of the BAC 1-11 was the crackling noise it made when taking off. IIRC, both AA and Allegheny flew them to CLE.

User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Chalk me up as a 1-11 fan.

I used to ramp these at Gatwick for BA, EI, DA, KD and a few others. I loved the idea they had integral stairs at the front and back. They were easy to board and quick to turnaround. They were great fun to fly in especially if you got the exit face to face seats.

I'm sure I saw an airworthy 1-11 in one of the Middle East airports I flew through recently.


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