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Irish 3/13: Winging It ...  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 18520 times:

Good evening folks and welcome to our third thread of 2013. Here's the link to the last one, in case anyone wants to refer back.

Irish 2/13: February Made Me Shiver ... (by kaitak Feb 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)

We've seen quite a few interesting developments over the past few weeks, not least among them the rejection by the EU of Ryanair's takeover plan for EI; unfortunately for Aer Lingus, Ryanair will be appealing, so it will be a while before the threat is completely removed and even still, it remains a shareholder.

As the evenings become brighter and the Summer season approaches (only a month from now), we're still seeing some new routes being announced, with FR having announced DUB-Bologna only very recently.

We also saw what is probably the worst kept secret in the aviation industry - the merger between US and AA - which is expected to take effect from the third quarter; we won't see any major changes this year, but years to come should see some interesting developments, particularly with larger types; what hubs will stay? What will replace US's 757s and 767s, etc etc.

There have been persistent rumours in recent weeks about the possibility of EI acquiring 757s for some of its thinner t/a routes, with Finnair being seen as the source (it is expected to retire its 757s in the near future). AY currently has six, ranging in production years from 1997 to 2002 and configured for 227, all Economy. It's amazing that nearly a decade after production ended, the 757 still has no real replacement, although from an Irish perspective, the A321NEO should be able to do all that's required of it in our market.

The government has been doing good work in focusing on the ability of aviation to contribute to growth, which has been something sought for many years on this forum - and something in which the previous government had almost no interest. One area being focused upon is aviation financing, which should hopefully help the IFSC, which has several aviation leasing agencies based there. The government also maintains its commitment to abolishing the €3 levy, if there is movement on new routes and capacity:

http://irishaviationresearchinstitut...t-targets-aviation-sector-for.html

Well, folks, here's to the next thread; over to you!

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User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18267 times:

Hi,

On a slightly separate note, there were rumours about EIR coming to Belfast, so how likely are we able to see EIR coming to BHD with the presence of BE? Would it be at all possible to start new routes because flybe have been there for donkeys, so they are quite a presence in the household to the local consumer, would EIR have a real chance? I see EI are trying to make head on competition with BE so is it a possibility in the near future? And would they take any routes head on or try out a Route which is not served like Bristol?

I am just really curious as i would pick the ATR any day!

Dublinspotter  



Dublinspotter :)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18257 times:

Thanks Kaitak for a new thread.  

I have finally put together my TR showing the BA CE experience from DUB-LHR for those interested. I know a few have flown it already.

British Airways Club And Cunard's Queen Mary 2 TA (by OA260 Feb 26 2013 in Trip Reports)

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
unfortunately for Aer Lingus, Ryanair will be appealing, so it will be a while before the threat is completely removed and even still, it remains a shareholder.

Well lets hope soon EI can finally get this thorn from its side and concentrate all its efforts on its future without take over threats or strikes.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
The government also maintains its commitment to abolishing the €3 levy, if there is movement on new routes and capacity:

I wonder how long they can keep doing that while proposing new domestic taxes on roads and other things etc... Soon enough people will question it. Im against it but others feel there should be tax hikes elsewhere including aviation to reduce the hikes on new toll roads and public services etc...


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17967 times:

Cork Airport have launched a new advertising campaign.

Cork Airport has announced a new advertising campaign to promote direct routes from Cork for 2013.

According to those behind it, the 'Better Still' campaign aims to cement Cork Airport's status as the No 1 airport in the south of Ireland.

Niall MacCarthy, airport director, Cork Airport, said: "This is an exciting new advertising campaign showcasing all the reasons why it's so easy and convenient to fly direct from Cork Airport. This campaign will naturally resonate with those living in Cork city and county but this campaign is also designed to reach our customer base throughout Munster and further afield".

http://www.businessandleadership.com...m/39797-cork-airport-launches-new/

Have to say I hope it works well for them. I quite like ORK as airports go .


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17931 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
According to those behind it, the 'Better Still' campaign aims to cement Cork Airport's status as the No 1 airport in the south of Ireland.

Pardon the cync in me, but I think effectively being the only airport in th South of Ireland is already pretty concrete. Not unlike SNN's claim to be the #1 (and only) Gateway to the Midwest. Don't get me wrong, it is good to see the secondary airports stepping up their marketing but I wish they could refrain from making ridiculous clichéd claims like these. You could also claim that KIR is the #1 airport in County Kerry, CFN is the #1 airport in County Donegal or Inverin Airport is the #1 airport in Connemara. Please use your imagination when marketing rather than claiming you are the #1 something in an area carefully you carefully selected such that you would be the #1.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17892 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 5):
CFN is the #1 airport in County Donegal

Speaking of which some welcome news regards BA connections.

BA sign deal with Loganair to provide Donegal – London link

Passengers using Donegal Airport will soon be able to buy an inclusive ticket from Donegal to London.

British Airways has confirmed a codeshare agreement with Loganair that will link Donegal Airport to London Heathrow via a connection in Dublin.

http://www.highlandradio.com/2013/02...ir-to-provide-donegal-london-link/

The luggage allowance and through tickets are a welcome addition.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17819 times:

As you may have read elsewhere, the Ryanair bid is, as expected, blocked by the EU Commission

Press release is @ http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-167_en.htm

And a longer version @ http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-144_en.htm

[Edited 2013-02-27 04:39:45]

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17583 times:

The basic press release says "no". The extended version reads "Hell, no!"

Anyway, good to hear this at last, but of course, it's far from the end of the story, because FR will be spending all our speedy boarding, food, bus ticket and other charges on legal action which is almost guaranteed to be thrown out.

On what basis is the appeal? I realise that a govt wouldn't dream (I hope!) of influencing an ECJ decision, but what about the commission? Would they have even felt the need to lobby the commission, given the paucity of FR's plans and this nonsense with BE? Is this anything more than MO'L throwing his toys out of the cot because his plan has now failed and FR is left with shareholding worth half of its original value (well, much less certainly), not to mention the MILLIONS the airline must have spent on legal action. I wonder if he is coming under serious board/shareholder pressure.

Some time ago, EI lost a case to force FR to sell its shareholding, but I wonder - given the failure of this third bid - is it time for legislators to look at this issue. You have a clearly hostile and bitterly competitive shareholder, which adds/contributes nothing constructive to the company in which it holds shares; now that it has lost a third and final bid has failed, it can effectively be said to have no further reason to have a shareholding. Should this now become grounds to force a sale?

(Of course, we await the decision of the British OFT, which may decide to require a sale, but I would much prefer to see our own legislature do this.)

If nothing else, I would like to hear MO'L's view on why FR should continue to hold a shareholding and why it believes it is in the consumer's interests for it to do so.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17557 times:

The new JetBlue Airspace Lounge will open at JFK T5 in May and will replace the Oasis Lounge used by EI in T4:

http://blog.jetblue.com/index.php/20...6/lounge-to-open-at-jfk-t5-in-may/



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17524 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
The new JetBlue Airspace Lounge will open at JFK T5 in May and will replace the Oasis Lounge used by EI in T4:

Yes it will be a great improvement so look forward to seeing it  


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 175 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17493 times:

Ryanair will resume a 3 weekly service between Dublin and Bremen from 18 September. They will also resume a 3 weekly service between Dublin and Bologna from 12 June.

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17491 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
There have been persistent rumours in recent weeks about the possibility of EI acquiring 757s for some of its thinner t/a routes, with Finnair being seen as the source (it is expected to retire its 757s in the near future). AY currently has six, ranging in production years from 1997 to 2002 and configured for 227, all Economy. It's amazing that nearly a decade after production ended, the 757 still has no real replacement, although from an Irish perspective, the A321NEO should be able to do all that's required of it in our market.

Oh, I didn't realise that Aer Lingus might acquire the 757s from Finnair. They're at least guaranteed a very well maintained fleet, and 1997-2002 means they are still fairly young. I'll be interested to see what the EI configuration is, and if they lease them from AY or buy them outright. Very interesting times ahead if this goes forward!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
British Airways Club And Cunard's Queen Mary 2 TA (by OA260 Feb 26 2013 in Trip Reports)

What a report! Very impressive - though the burnt breakfast on BA looked a bit rough. A friend flew on a breakfast flight on Friday and said the breakfast was godawful. Who is doing the catering for BA in Dublin? Same company as Aer Lingus or someone else? Certainly looked poor.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
British Airways has confirmed a codeshare agreement with Loganair that will link Donegal Airport to London Heathrow via a connection in Dublin.

That's very good news.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
The new JetBlue Airspace Lounge will open at JFK T5 in May and will replace the Oasis Lounge used by EI in T4:

I was quite pleased when I saw this actually. That totally makes sense... I'm looking forward to going to JFK again sometime on EI.

Thank goodness the Ryanair bid was shot down too really. I really enjoyed reading the rationale behind the decisions - it all sounds quite logical and well researched. I don't think FR have a prayer in any appeal to be perfectly honest. Hopefully that will mean the end of all of those shenanigans - I couldn't believe the millions it was costing Aer Lingus every time Ryanair made a bid.

I'll be interested to see what happens with the Ryanair shareholding (presumably after the appeal). I guess if EI sort out the pensions thing this year, there'll be serious movement in the share register shortly afterwards. I still think IAG should take a stake, though I imagine Etihad getting a serious percentage would be much more likely.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17475 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 11):
What a report! Very impressive - though the burnt breakfast on BA looked a bit rough. A friend flew on a breakfast flight on Friday and said the breakfast was godawful. Who is doing the catering for BA in Dublin? Same company as Aer Lingus or someone else? Certainly looked poor.

Thanks   It was a fab trip . Interesting to hear about your mates perceptions too. I thought it was just me but it used to be alot better. Id actually go as far to say the EI BOB breakkie is better. One reason the last 4 flights have been from BHD as being Gold I get row 1 and alot of the time middle seat is free. I get the extra luggage allowance also so the cost between CE and Domestic out of BHD is just not worth it. BHD has direct boarding from the lounge too which is a bonus. I buy a breakfast roll or similar at Obriens at BHD and take it into the lounge and get a cappuchino and orange juice and bobs your Uncle . Sorted. !  
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 11):
That's very good news.

Yes it certainly gives that area of the country a lifeline to a much wider network with the perks.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 17340 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Cork Airport have launched a new advertising campaign.

I noticed a billboard promoting ORK in Limerick city today too!



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17211 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
The new JetBlue Airspace Lounge will open at JFK T5 in May and will replace the Oasis Lounge used by EI in T4:

The Airspace Lounge is not owned or operated by JetBlue Airways, only that it is located in the JetBlue terminal at JFK. At present, there are also two other Airspace Lounges (in BWI and CLE) and they are open to the general public upon paying the entrance fee.

I'm sure JetBlue will earn some sort of commission on entry sales or some other sort of compensation for directing its passengers to it. Beyond that, I'd imagine EI and HA will probably organize a net rate for their premium passengers to use the lounge and then have Airspace bill them monthly on it while non-premium passengers can pay their own way in.

Airspace Lounge is a separate firm specializing in airport lounge development and they have contracted Swissport to operate the lounge at JFK as well as BWI and CLE.

Airspace Lounge is also a member of the American Express Lounge Access Program, providing complimentary entry for Platinum and Centurion card members.

One thing I would be concerned about from EI or HA's perspective is that these lounges tend to get very busy and crowded (especially when operations are disrupted) and it may actually be a turn-off to the premium passengers. $20 or so for entry with a free drink is a good deal and may entice a lot of JetBlue leisure passengers to pay the fee. I've flown on B6 out of JFK several times and the terminal can be a zoo at the best of times with the crowds. It is a lovely terminal but with all the Caribbean/Las Vegas/Florida flights they do, it can get crowded.



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17182 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 11):
What a report! Very impressive - though the burnt breakfast on BA looked a bit rough. A friend flew on a breakfast flight on Friday and said the breakfast was godawful. Who is doing the catering for BA in Dublin? Same company as Aer Lingus or someone else? Certainly looked poor.

Truth is BA just don't do breakfast very well. Even on its Longhaul flights it tends to be overly greasy with poor ingredients and just way too much egg which if not served within seconds starts to dry out and turn to a sponge. Then there are the "green" eggs!

On the DUB route I generally prefer to pass on breakfast onboard. As for the catering, it's a round tripped catering ex LHR however I'm not 100% sure about the overnight aircraft other than the food is the same as the morning flights ex LHR so I assume they either keep them chilled overnight onboard or someone stores them in DUB.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17157 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 13):
I noticed a billboard promoting ORK in Limerick city today too!

Good stuff  

TK did a good job on the Air Coach. I saw a fully branded one today just outside Belfast. Air Coach have re introduced the route Dublin Airport - Belfast but sadly not stopping in Newry like they used to . I found it a great service.

Quoting Reply 14):
One thing I would be concerned about from EI or HA's perspective is that these lounges tend to get very busy and crowded (especially when operations are disrupted) and it may actually be a turn-off to the premium passengers. $20 or so for entry with a free drink is a good deal and may entice a lot of JetBlue leisure passengers to pay the fee.

Thats what I thought also . Its a free for all so will not be exclusive but who knows maybe at evenings after the rush hour it might be ok for the EI passengers.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 16811 times:

The completion of the M18 motorway (linking Galway to Shannon Airport) has been approved by the government so this may prove a more convenient option down the line than Galwegians travelling on the M6 to DUB:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2013/0228/1224330607055.html

If only they would upgrade the N18 dual carriageway between Limerick and SNN to motorway standard. That 100km/h speed limit doesn't do it any justice  
Quoting Reply 14):
One thing I would be concerned about from EI or HA's perspective is that these lounges tend to get very busy and crowded (especially when operations are disrupted) and it may actually be a turn-off to the premium passengers. $20 or so for entry with a free drink is a good deal and may entice a lot of JetBlue leisure passengers to pay the fee. I've flown on B6 out of JFK several times and the terminal can be a zoo at the best of times with the crowds. It is a lovely terminal but with all the Caribbean/Las Vegas/Florida flights they do, it can get crowded.

The EI departure times from JFK this summer will be at 17:30, 18:20 and 21:15. Just out of interest I pulled the flights departing T5 an hour before the EI ones to see how many departures are facilitated for a random day in July. It does indeed appear crowded at times:

16:30-17:30
16:45 B6918 Boston
16:49 B689 San Diego
16:55 B637 Santiago, Dominican Republic
17:00 B6408 Portland, Maine
17:00 B6803 San Juan
17:00 B61119 Charlotte
17:00 B61516 Syracuse
17:05 B686 Rochester
17:15 B6415 San Francisco
17:20 B6167 Oakland
17:20 B61185 Raleigh/Durham
17:30 B6263 Seattle
17:30 EI104 Dublin

17:31-18:20
17:45 B61407 Washington-Dulles
18:00 B6201 Fort Lauderdale
18:00 B6351 Cancún
18:00 B6359 Burbank
18:15 B6153 West Palm Beach
18:20 EI110 Shannon

20:15-21:15
20:25 B6915 San Francisco
20:32 B6135 Phoenix
20:45 B61295 Austin
20:50 B6165 Portland, Oregon
20:50 B6775 New Orleans
20:59 B6523 Los Angeles
21:00 B6109 Santo Domingo
21:00 B6237 Santiago, Dominican Republic
21:00 B61103 San Juan
21:10 B6702 Buffalo
21:15 EI108 Dublin



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User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 16767 times:

Apologies if this was in the previous thread but I'm not sure it was - there was apparently some vague references to a GC points earning credit card appearing soon in an EI communication to holders, at least going on what was said on another forum. Anyone know if this actually is the case?

That we don't have *any* airline cards available to Irish euro accounts is very odd, and I'm surprised that one of the other airlines operating here hasn't tried to get in on the market.

If they bring one in, it'd also be very handy if they could get a points deal going with a hotel chain - I can and have in the past thrown Carlson points on to my TK card but it is EI I use more than any other airline still.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 16703 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 18):
Apologies if this was in the previous thread but I'm not sure it was - there was apparently some vague references to a GC points earning credit card appearing soon in an EI communication to holders, at least going on what was said on another forum. Anyone know if this actually is the case?

That we don't have *any* airline cards available to Irish euro accounts is very odd, and I'm surprised that one of the other airlines operating here hasn't tried to get in on the market.

I have wondered why they have not tapped into the market also. If there was one available I would certainly get one as it would rack me up alot of points if its anything like the other programs.


User currently offlineshamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 16626 times:
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Looks like EI-EAV had a technical problem today operating the Boston flight from Dublin.

It departed at 14:30 but had to turn back. Fortunately the problem was fixed and the flight left again at 17:30.

Does anyone know what the problem was?



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 16502 times:

Quoting shamrocka330 (Reply 20):

It was a medical diversion it would appear!!!!



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 16293 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 17):
The completion of the M18 motorway (linking Galway to Shannon Airport) has been approved by the government so this may prove a more convenient option down the line than Galwegians travelling on the M6 to DUB:

Yes, it is fantastic news. It will also improve travel time from Galway to NOC. The existing N17 from Ballindine to Charlestown is generally of a pretty good standard albeit single carrigeway. Once the M17/M18 is completed, there will only a relatviely short section of bad roadway left from Tuam to Ballindine. It will also make SNN more attractive for those living in towns located along the M6 (assuming there are services from SNN people want to use). Either way, this project can only be good for both SNN and NOC.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 17):
If only they would upgrade the N18 dual carriageway between Limerick and SNN to motorway standard. That 100km/h speed limit doesn't do it any justice

In fairness, it is but a minor inconvenience. Besides, think of the lost all the lost revenue from non-locals getting caught at the speed checks located just past the Shannon interchange where the limit drops from 120 to 100 kph. Kidding aside, it will be nearly impossible to upgrade that section of road to motorway standard without completely rebuilding and re-aligning it. Technical challenges include driveways that exit directly onto the southbound side, inadequate sight disdances, bend radii that are too sharp, inadequate crossfalls, entry-exit ramps that are too short with turns that are too sharp to name but a few. The road is more than adequate for the current levels of traffic and the money that it would cost to upgrade wouth be far better spent upgrading the horrible Limerick to Cork road which is nothing short of a national disgrace.

I remember when that road was built, they simply built a new road parallel to the existing single carrigeway N18. The current southbound side was the original N18 when it was still a single carrigeway (hence the driveways exiting onto it).



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 16167 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 18):
That we don't have *any* airline cards available to Irish euro accounts is very odd, and I'm surprised that one of the other airlines operating here hasn't tried to get in on the market.

I'd jump on something like that pretty quick smart. Surprised BA haven't done anything like that in Ireland really considering how many people have Executive Club cards.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 16160 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 22):

Agreed Tony, the Cork Limerick road is a nightmare. The travel time between limerick and cork should be in the region of an hour, rather than the current two+ hours. The distance isn't much more than 60 miles, IIIRC. To be honest, it's easier to drive to DUB than SNN from Cork and most of the subarbs. At least it's motorway all the way - other than a short stretch around newlands cross, even this has been improved greatly since they replaced the mad cow roundabout with an interchange.

I've seen an interesting post on another forum


Quote:

"Aer Lingus’s choice
Aer Lingus have selected Air Contractors as their preferred supplier for the provision of Wet Lease transatlantic services. Discussions, subject to contract, are underway with the intention of concluding arrangements for an initial period of four years. The concept is that Air Contractors will operate two/three 757 ER aircraft from Shannon and Dublin 7 days/week. Destinations are to be confirmed but will include New York and Boston. This development underscores the confidence Aer Lingus have in Air Contractors and our ability to provide cost effective, tailored solutions operating to the highest possible levels of customer service and reliability. The opportunity is testament to the great reputation that Air Contractors have developed with blue chip companies and is recognition of the hard work, commitment and professionalism displayed by the Air Contractors team."

It would seem there is some substance to the 757 rumour. I haven't been able to find this from air contractors themselves, their new section is currently down/empty. Seems to be a four year contract for 2/3 757s, which seems a pretty major commitment. Interestingly, Air Contractors don't operate the 757 as far as I can see, so they are hardly an obvious choice.
I'm honestly not sure how I feel about this development. On one hand it demonstrates EI are looking at new way of tackling old problems. On the other, does it demonstrate an inability, or unwillingness to invest in the fleet long-term. I can't help but recall the rate at which BD leased out frames (especialy the A330s) and wet-leased in frames to backfill (usually 757s). I hope this is a stopgap until A321 NEOs come available, but if EI do want them for 2017 they need to get a move on.



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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 175 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 16157 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 21):
http://avherald.com/h?article=45e803ee&opt=0


User currently offlineei737ng From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 16152 times:

I assume that the 757's will be painted in the EI livery?

User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months ago) and read 16223 times:

Say for argument sake EI leased three 757s. They'd probably base two at SNN during the summer for daily JFK and BOS services. That would leave the remaining 757 and freed up A330-200 for potential new routes and/or increased frequency on existing longhaul routes. Could DUB-YYZ be on the horizon? Or maybe an afternoon service on DUB-EWR to replace the UA decrease when they launched IAD?


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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months ago) and read 16165 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 24):
It would seem there is some substance to the 757 rumour. I haven't been able to find this from air contractors themselves, their new section is currently down/empty. Seems to be a four year contract for 2/3 757s, which seems a pretty major commitment. Interestingly, Air Contractors don't operate the 757 as far as I can see, so they are hardly an obvious choice.
I'm honestly not sure how I feel about this development. On one hand it demonstrates EI are looking at new way of tackling old problems. On the other, does it demonstrate an inability, or unwillingness to invest in the fleet long-term. I can't help but recall the rate at which BD leased out frames (especialy the A330s) and wet-leased in frames to backfill (usually 757s). I hope this is a stopgap until A321 NEOs come available, but if EI do want them for 2017 they need to get a move on.

This is a very interesting development and it certainly seems now to be more than just a rumour.
If it's true, then i think this is one of the first examples in a long long time we have seen some real innovation from EI rather than following some proven concept. I know others operate the TA 757 already but it's the interim measure they have come up with that impresses me.

The 321 NEO is some way away and EI are clearly looking at having a stopgap measure for both testing the viability of both thinner and year round TA services.
I think they have the perfect partner in ACL and those ex Finnair frames should be in excellent condition from a maintenance point of view. Just need to invest a bit on sprucing up the interiors.
There is minimal risk to EI as they don't have to make any investment in pilot or maintenance conversion training for such a small sub-fleet for only 4 years.
The cabin crew seconded over to operate on these aircraft would be fairly straight forward as they are operating on another Irish AOC so the additional requirements should be minimal.
ACL will have access to training resources through their close association with DHL and perhaps they might be able to piggyback on their ETOPS 757 approval at the start?
At the end of the contract ACL will probably convert the aircraft to freighters and will have probably added a few more to their fleet by that time anyway.

When Aer Arann way looking dodgy a while back i was expecting that EI might tie up with ACL but i didn't anticipate 757's being on the cards, just ATR's.

ACL is a quality operation and they are well used to high levels of reliability required from operating for DHL and FedEx.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16145 times:

It's a very interesting development right enough; are we looking at a 2013 start, or 2014?

This move will mean that apart from the 727, 777 and 787, Aer Lingus will have operated all Boeing jet types.

As for configuration, I would expect EI to go for a configuration of just under 200, to allow it to be operated by four cabin crew.

On another subject, Virgin has announced that the domestic operation will be operated under the marketing name "Little Red". Will we see the cabin crew wearing red hoods? Marketing strapline: "Ride with Little Red"?

[Edited 2013-03-01 09:14:02]

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16146 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 29):
This move will mean that apart from the 727, 777 and 787, Aer Lingus will have operated all Boeing jet types.

Well technically they are not operating the 757. ACL are.
But i would expect it would be painted in full EI colours and have EI seat covers if the contract is 4 years long.
And with the EI- reg and hopefully Irish pilots then who would know the difference anyway  


User currently offlinerufusisgod From Ireland, joined Nov 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15963 times:

Quick Question for someone in the know at ACL.

Anyone know what is happening with EI-STA the 737-300 used for charter work.

It's sitting with at least one engine missing for the past few days/weeks.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15951 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 23):
I'd jump on something like that pretty quick smart. Surprised BA haven't done anything like that in Ireland really considering how many people have Executive Club cards.

Yes I could have done the BA one at my UK address but was not worth the hassle and juggling accounts etc..So hopefully we see something in future. If your spending the money anyway its nice to get something back especially when its travel related  


User currently offlinedergay From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15879 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 29):

This move will mean that apart from the 727, 777 and 787, Aer Lingus will have operated all Boeing jet types.

Have EI operated the 717?



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User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15766 times:

Quoting dergay (Reply 33):
Have EI operated the 717?

Boeing in sticker-over-the-MDname only  


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15734 times:
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Quoting ei737ng (Reply 26):
I assume that the 757's will be painted in the EI livery?

And will the cabin be fitted with the EI seats and IFE system?



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15677 times:

I would be very surprised if EI did not have a common service level between the 757 and A330.

Here's a piece from the Indo on the British OFT investigation into FR's shareholding in EI:

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...eks-about-stake-sale-29103297.html

I have to say that I have mixed feelings about this, in that if there is a compulsory measure taken, I'd like it to be taken by either the govt or another Irish agency, not a foreign agency. I understand that LV is considering some measures, but what effect they will have remains to be seen. We have not seen anything quite like this in Irish company law, which is probably why it hasn't been anticipated in legislation, but I think it is possible to to draw up a series of legal tests which a company in FR's position would need to satisfy - and it would also need to produce a statement of its strategic plan for the competitor in which it has a stake (which, for commercial reasons, could be kept confidential); given the rather pathetic fiction that FR tried to cobble together involving Flybe, it would be interesting to see what vision FR could develop for EI.

I have to say that I'd be surprised if they did decide on an order to sell, given the angle they are taking: FR doesn't have any presence on the EI board and there is clearly anything but collusion between them.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15183 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 35):
And will the cabin be fitted with the EI seats and IFE system?

It would be, without a doubt. There would be no reason not to do this especially if the aircraft is coming from another airline - it would have to be done anyway. Though I suppose they could refurbish the current Y seats on the 757 and just install the proper J cabin. However, since competition is quite fierce, I think they would Aer Lingus the whole thing.



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User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15140 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 28):
If it's true, then i think this is one of the first examples in a long long time we have seen some real innovation from EI rather than following some proven concept. I know others operate the TA 757 already but it's the interim measure they have come up with that impresses me.

I don't understand what you consider innovative about this potential announcement? Is it the fact that Aer Lingus might be leasing aircraft to operate more T/A flights or that they might be leasing B757s to fly those routes?

Either way, I don't see how you can claim it is 'innovative'. EI have leased aircraft before to operate transatlantic flights, such as the World Airways lease. As for the B757s, Icelandair has been flying B757s on the Altantic since 1990 while Continental also introduced them on the routes over 15 years ago. Since then, American and US Airways have used the B757s on the Atlantic as well.

If this is true, it is a smart move by EI, but hardly innovative. I would consider EI more a laggard here than anything.



It is what it is.
User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15076 times:
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Quoting Reply 38):
I don't understand what you consider innovative about this potential announcement?
Quoting Reply 38):
If this is true, it is a smart move by EI, but hardly innovative. I would consider EI more a laggard here than anything.

I think the meaning here Styles is that its refreshing to see EI spotting a problem and leasing in B757's to deal with the problem, while at the same time using the B757's to allow tem to look elsewhere.

No one can claim that leasing in aircraft and/or using B757's for East coast Ops is innovative.
I suppose many here have just got used to hearing excuses from EI about the SNN network and the possibility of longhaul expansion. Refreshing to see EI deal with both issues from another direction.....


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14994 times:
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Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 39):
No one can claim that leasing in aircraft and/or using B757's for East coast Ops is innovative.
I suppose many here have just got used to hearing excuses from EI about the SNN network and the possibility of longhaul expansion. Refreshing to see EI deal with both issues from another direction.....

May I also add (assuming this announcement is true) that it vindicates those who claimed all along that SNN does in fact have a role to play in the EI long haul network. Ironically, it also vindicates the proponents of Open Skies because the Shannon Stopover rule would have dicatated EI operate at the same frequency with the same sized aircraft on both SNN and DUB routes which meant EI's long haul network lost money for decades. Now that EI can taylor capacity and frequency to suit demand, the long haul routes are performing very well which of course brings in more money that can be reinvested so it is a win-win sutation for everyone.



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 14895 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 40):
May I also add (assuming this announcement is true) that it vindicates those who claimed all along that SNN does in fact have a role to play in the EI long haul network. Ironically, it also vindicates the proponents of Open Skies because the Shannon Stopover rule would have dicatated EI operate at the same frequency with the same sized aircraft on both SNN and DUB routes which meant EI's long haul network lost money for decades. Now that EI can taylor capacity and frequency to suit demand, the long haul routes are performing very well which of course brings in more money that can be reinvested so it is a win-win sutation for everyone.

It's certainly a very interesting development, and I think people should take heary that under CM's reign, Aer Lingus has looked to exploit opportunities across Ireland, and not been overly Dublin centric.

The airline continues to pursue opportunites at Shannon, and indeed has not been put off by the one or two failures it has experienced there, such as CDG and LGW.

EI continue to adjust it's offering at Cork, and I'd really love to see them give ORK-JFK a go. Perhaps the 757 might be just the vehicle?

NOC has had a BHX rotation added to the succesful LGW route, and in Northern Ireland, the offer in Belfast has been renewed, and seems to be bringing greater success.

In other news, Ryanair, as mentioned above, is re-introducing Bremen to Dublin. This comes in addition to recent announcements of Bologna, Lublin and Maastricht. It seems now that FR are back in modest growth mode from Dublin, and i'd expect to see more of this, with a number of Short Haul airlines expanding service this summer, especially Norwegian, who FR must view as some threat. DY have not been pushed off the OSL route despite an FR fare war on that route, where FR often sell a one way to Rygge for 20 euro.

Meanwhile, the DAA have published the top ten connecting markets from Dublin for 2012:

Long Haul

1 Sydney
2 New York
3 San Francisco
4 Los Angeles
5 Melbourne
6 Johannesburg
7 Orlando
8 Toronto
9 Singapore
10 Chicago


Short Haul

1 Helsinki
2 Moscow
3 Billund
4 Stockholm
5 Luxembourg
6 Berlin
7 Kiev
8 Hamburg
9 Hanover
10 Venice

Interesting to note that among the Long Haul list, many of these points are already comprehensively served from Dublin, like New York and Chicago. It also suggests frequency could be added on Toronto and Orlando, and SFO / LAX are third and fourth on the list respectively....

It's similar on short haul - most of these routes are already served, though perhaps not at sufficient frequency.

In all, 2 million of the 19.1 m pax at DUB last year connected onwards after their initial departure from Dublin (ie at LHR, AMS, DXB etc).



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14821 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 41):
New Yor
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 41):
Orlando

These have and always will be on the list. Various reasons . Plenty still prefer to connect to a superior product from LHR . Plus the fares are often cheaper. If your saving EUR80-100 per ticket for a Family of 4 then the figures speak for themselves. BA have always done very well out of this and even more so now they are back in town.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14806 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 42):
These have and always will be on the list. Various reasons . Plenty still prefer to connect to a superior product from LHR . Plus the fares are often cheaper. If your saving EUR80-100 per ticket for a Family of 4 then the figures speak for themselves. BA have always done very well out of this and even more so now they are back in town.

I'm assuming many of these would be J or F class pax? There's not much in it service wise in Y that would make me add up to 4 or more hours to my journey to sit in steerage  

But yes, I understand the likes of New York will always be on the list with the likes of AFKL in particular offering quite low connecting fares out of DUB to directly served destinations.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14801 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 42):

Some routes will always be on the list, as you say NYC and Orlando are sure to be in the list, for a variety of reasons, BA often do good fares, as you say. All things being equal ou would expect a journey with a connection to be more attractively priced than a non-stop alternative. I guess figures to SYD, Asia and the West coast might be disproportionate as there is no non-stop option for these destinations, but they are well served by EY and EK.

I'm surprised HEL hasn't worked for EI on the occasions they have tried it. I wonder if a lot of those top ten markets need to launch with a daily service, at least, to be attractive, which would probably be too much capacity. Shocked to see LUX on the list, surely you could fly to CDG or AMS or DUS and get a TGV/ICE service rather than connect? It would seem a handful of smaller jets could work for EI and open up Europe like the ATR has done for UK destinations. I wonder if we will ever see it? Would something like the E190 have to be flown by mainline? I suppose the 757s won't be....



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14780 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 44):
I'm surprised HEL hasn't worked for EI on the occasions they have tried it

They still do HEL, it's just seasonal and only twice a week. DY are starting it this summer too, which means a decent schedule if you combine one ways with EI and DY.



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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14767 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 44):
Shocked to see LUX on the list, surely you could fly to CDG or AMS or DUS and get a TGV/ICE service rather than connect?

From my experience on the old Luxair service, this is heavily business traffic with an "in one day, back the next, or the day after" traffic. The connections that were there in the past, using LGW or LCY or CDG are very vulnerable to any service timing changes, weather delay, carrier switching problems etc, making the direct service the best, sometime the only, really workable option and the reason the Luxair service hung in there so long. The number of bad CDG transit experiences colleagues had, due to bus transfer delay and seeing the second plane leave without them.

Luxair never tried much to promote the service to fill empty seats in the off season or develop the tourist end of the business. I guess that the aircraft just makes more money going somewhere else.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14629 times:

I'm surprised to see BLL on that list, and so high up at that (despite having been one of those connecting pax last year, on SAS, luckily the CI flight CPH-BLL restarted two weeks before I had to go!).

There really isn't much demand there other than for Legoland - and there's a much cheaper to get to, get in to and shop at Legoland within driving distance of MUC. Although the BLL one is within walking distance as the airport was built by the Lego company.

If the demand is from Legoland, that'd be why SK or LH connections would probably remain popular even if FR returned to the route - baggage!


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14564 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 47):
I'm surprised to see BLL on that list, and so high up at that (despite having been one of those connecting pax last year, on SAS, luckily the CI flight CPH-BLL restarted two weeks before I had to go!).

There really isn't much demand there other than for Legoland - and there's a much cheaper to get to, get in to and shop at Legoland within driving distance of MUC. Although the BLL one is within walking distance as the airport was built by the Lego company.

If the demand is from Legoland, that'd be why SK or LH connections would probably remain popular even if FR returned to the route - baggage!

Cimber operated it for a while too using a CRJ, and any time I saw it arrive, it always seemed to have a decent load, but you have to wonder if it was mostly lesiure, and thus unable to command a decent enough yield to make such a sector work on a CRJ 200.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14449 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 43):
I'm assuming many of these would be J or F class pax? There's not much in it service wise in Y that would make me add up to 4 or more hours to my journey to sit in steerage  

No Y class . You would be surprised how many opt for one stop rather then non stop. It can be the Family of 4 who would rather spend the extra EUR300-400 on accomodation or Disney Park passes or the Silver/Gold card guy that wants to earn miles and status points. Everyone is different. People will often do LHR or CDG or FRA if there is a carrott.

Then you have the tour operators who have been pushing VS and BA for the USA packages.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 44):
Some routes will always be on the list, as you say NYC and Orlando are sure to be in the list, for a variety of reasons, BA often do good fares, as you say.

Indeed BA do some cracking fares and hard to beat sometimes. The EI fare to the likes of JFK and BOS are very high at the moment even when there are plenty of seats in all classes. Also EI have not lifted the Sat night stay requirement so alot of the time there can be a EUR 200 difference on a Mon-Fri itinerary between EI and Via LHR options.

BTW a Spring clean today and this showed up ! Duty Free between the UK and Ireland. A tenner IEP10 for a Litre of Jameson . Where would you go !  Smilehttp://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/BA063DBD-975C-4D78-939A-FBC80A033D55-3147-0000014A89B4F8AB_zps90d3f53f.jpg

[Edited 2013-03-03 10:55:49]

User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14346 times:

I can remember the media being certain that the end of EU duty free was the guaranteed death of Aer Rianta and that we'd be selling the airports for pennies and keeping the debt... which did eventually happen with Shannon I admit!

User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14132 times:

So I'm heading to BHX from DUB on Friday and was never in the gold circle Lounge in T2 and was just wonder should I bother spending €25 to visit the Lounge instead of waiting at the gate.


Next Flights: DUB-MAN, MAN-MCO, MCO-MAN, MAN-DUB, DUB-CFN,
User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14191 times:

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 51):

So I'm heading to BHX from DUB on Friday and was never in the gold circle Lounge in T2 and was just wonder should I bother spending €25 to visit the Lounge instead of waiting at the gate.

The lounge is well worth a visit, I wouldn't spend that amount of money regularly but every now and then it's fine. It has all the trimmings you'd expect, free wifi, great views and comfortable seating so it's a world away from the busy Pier E gates. The only thing I'd like to see offered in the "flagship lounge" is hot food, I think the EY lounge has it but maybe EI prefer to encourage people to purchase the hot food on board rather than fill them up for free in the lounge!


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14188 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 49):
Indeed BA do some cracking fares and hard to beat sometimes. The EI fare to the likes of JFK and BOS are very high at the moment even when there are plenty of seats in all classes. Also EI have not lifted the Sat night stay requirement so alot of the time there can be a EUR 200 difference on a Mon-Fri itinerary between EI and Via LHR options.

Yes the EI fares are high from BOS. Travelling back twice this year with family of 4. Not looking like I will be going with EI for either. BA and UA - saving myself lots of $$$, while I would prefer a direct flight, there is limit on everything. Given that there 3 EI flights on some days in the summer, cheapest fares of $1069 pp is tough to swallow.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13935 times:

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 51):
So I'm heading to BHX from DUB on Friday and was never in the gold circle Lounge in T2 and was just wonder should I bother spending €25 to visit the Lounge instead of waiting at the gate.

If you can get a few hours in there and take advantage of the bar and snacks then yes worth it once in a while.

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 53):
Yes the EI fares are high from BOS. Travelling back twice this year with family of 4.

Certainly is.

----

Congrats to EY on their 1M passenger :

Etihad Airlines flies 1,000,000 from Dublin to Abu Dhabi

Etihad Airways, the national airline of the United Arab Emirates has today, 28 February, passed a major milestone after flying the one millionth passenger on its Dublin route.

The Abu Dhabi-based airline launched services from Dublin in 2007 and since then the Irish capital has frequently featured in its top 10 most popular routes. The flights have also helped enhance commercial and cultural ties between Ireland and the UAE.

http://www.businessfirstonline.co.uk/?p=10986


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13913 times:

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 53):
Yes the EI fares are high from BOS. Travelling back twice this year with family of 4. Not looking like I will be going with EI for either. BA and UA - saving myself lots of $$$, while I would prefer a direct flight, there is limit on everything. Given that there 3 EI flights on some days in the summer, cheapest fares of $1069 pp is tough to swallow.

BOS needs a good, old fashioned fares war alright. I'm amazed that still no US carrier has seen fit to challenge EI's monopoly on the Boston route. AA and DL do operate TATL services from BOS if i'm not mistaken?



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User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13914 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 55):
BOS needs a good, old fashioned fares war alright. I'm amazed that still no US carrier has seen fit to challenge EI's monopoly on the Boston route. AA and DL do operate TATL services from BOS if i'm not mistaken?

Agreed. EI really have this one all to themselves in terms of direct service. Yes AA and DL do operate TATL service out of BOS. However in AA's case, that is diminishing. As of this month I think, they no longer operate their own metal to LHR. Instead BA have added another 747/777 flight.
I dont see any American airline jumping on the BOS-Ireland routes to be honest.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13675 times:

Did someone smile at you in DUB today for no good reason?

A syndicate of 17 Dublin airport authority employees have won last Saturday's €6.4 million lottery jackpot.
Not enough to buy the Governments remaining stake in EI, but nice enough.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13620 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 57):
Did someone smile at you in DUB today for no good reason?

A syndicate of 17 Dublin airport authority employees have won last Saturday's €6.4 million lottery jackpot.
Not enough to buy the Governments remaining stake in EI, but nice enough.

That's great . Fair play to them. I love it when syndicates at a work place win the lotto. Great to see it shared by many who will all benefit and hopefully use it wisely to improve their Families lifestyle.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13599 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 58):
That's great . Fair play to them. I love it when syndicates at a work place win the lotto. Great to see it shared by many who will all benefit and hopefully use it wisely to improve their Families lifestyle.

Yup, there was a palpable buzz in Terminal one on sunday, with one Spar employee saying "it's not you then?" as I paid for my purchase. Dare I say if i'd just won 6.5 mill, i'd wouldnt have been at work, that's for sure.

In other news, Aer Lingus and El Al have now signed an interline agreement to faciliate connections at Heathrow.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13442 times:

Nice photo of 'ELA on the front page, landing in BOS:


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A hugely welcome development today from the Dept of Transport:

http://irishaviationresearchinstitut...t-of-transport-launches-irish.html

Do our eyes deceive us? No ... it actually is ... an attempt to develop an aviation policy, something which should have been done years ago (particularly by the last government). It is vital to ensure that we tap every possible avenue of growth. Aviation still has a lot to give and I would definitely encourage those of us interested in aviation policy (hopefully most of us!) to make submissions to this - an email address is given on the attached website (which is also part of an excellent blog - well worth keeping an eye on!)

I think one key point should be co-operation between different departments, particularly enterprise/employment and tourism, to make sure that these three departments (and the DAA) work together when developing new markets. Ideally, I'd like to see all three work together to develop a "proforma" which could be adapted for different markets, i.e. how do you develop trade with emerging markets, how do you increase our visibility in these markets? You cannot say that aviation alone is the answer, but it's a big part of it.

Air freight needs to be looked at again; if the DAA won't do it, find someone who will. As a country which looks to exports as part of its climb out of economic gloom, air freight should be part of that solution.

Environmental issues must be considered; unlike the UK, we need to avoid the silly environmental taxes which do nothing for the environment, but merely act to raise revenues for central govt; we can develop means to lessen the negative effects of aviation on the environment without undermining the effectiveness of aviation as a catalyst for growth.


User currently offlinePhen From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13371 times:

A new subliminal advertising campaign by FR?



What next - "Don't fly EI"?  


User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13257 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 54):
If you can get a few hours in there and take advantage of the bar and snacks then yes worth it once in a while.

im in northwest Donegal and its a pain in the ass getting to DUB could i book lounge access at Check in with EI ?



Next Flights: DUB-MAN, MAN-MCO, MCO-MAN, MAN-DUB, DUB-CFN,
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13037 times:

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 62):

im in northwest Donegal and its a pain in the ass getting to DUB could i book lounge access at Check in with EI ?

I think you can walk in and pay for it at the lounge desk if I am not mistaken.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12995 times:

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 62):

Yes you can pay at the lounge reception.

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Good news for Waterford !

Regional carrier Flybe is to launch a new service between Waterford and Manchester from May 22.

Flights will depart Manchester at 1150 on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, arriving into Waterford at 1310, with the return leg leaving the Irish city at 1335 and landing back into Manchester at 1450.

An additional Sunday service will depart one hour earlier in both directions.

The Waterford-Manchester route had been served by Aer Arann under its Aer Lingus Regional franchise agreement up until this January, when the carrier withdrew from its base at Waterford (see online news November 7, 2012).

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...nounces-waterford-manchester-route


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12700 times:

Very good news for WAT, even if it starts quite late in the season. Is there any indication of whether it's seasonal or not?

They really need to recover a LON flight, to any of the original 5 airports (e.g. not OXF/SEN), to guarantee the airport's survival though.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12691 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 65):

Just looking at CAA traffic figures for SEN and the WAT-SEN route carried around 30,000 passengers in 2012; just 6,000 less than DUB-SEN (operated at a substantially higher frequency) so there must be a good market, as you point out, for WAT-LON. My question is, why not SEN?



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User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12642 times:

SEN had significantly lower pax than LTN had, from what I've heard. Slightly more awkward location and very little chance of connecting traffic.

User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12398 times:

SEN is probably still finding it difficult to convince London and the rest of the South East that it's a suitable alternative, it's only been about a year since it really hit the headlines as London's newest airport and it's going to take a while for it to build its profile. If the task of raising its profile in London is an uphill battle then it must be like climbing Kilimanjaro to get that message across to Waterford and Dublin.

LTN was well established and perfectly located, there's plenty of Irish around the west and north of London so it was right on their doorstep. The east end of London has been really popular with Irish in the past few years, Cara magazine even did a piece on it last year but it may never be enough for SEN to become one of the big London airports for people travelling to Ireland, it's location and poor transport links let it down. It'll be interesting to see if the DUB-SEN schedule changes have any impact, it's now focused on Dublin originating passengers so may have a chance. I'd be surprised to see it dropped for winter but next summer might be in doubt.

Congratulations to WAT on regaining that MAN link. There's proven demand for a London route so it must be around the corner, maybe it's just a matter of sorting out a suitable schedule for LTN.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12158 times:

I ended up in SEN in January following a diversion on an AGP-LCY flight because of the snow. I was trying to get to my other halfs place in South London and I have to admit, SEN is not a suitable alternative to the greater London area. Ideal for east London and parts of central but for the rest I just don't believe the rail service (although brilliantly located by the terminal) is fast enough!!!!!


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User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2818 posts, RR: 15
Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12074 times:

The Urbus link between Blanchardstown/Castleknock to DUB/Swords has ceased since 1/3/13. Very sad, it was a great link between D15 & the airport, without having to go through town on Dublin Bus. They even got me hat back when I left it on the bus! I really thought they had a little niche service there, but obviously the recession is still hitting businesses hard. I took me last trip with them on 28/2/13, close enough!

Best of luck to all the staff.

http://urbus.ie/

    



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12062 times:

Aer Lingus figures (traffic) were marginally down - just by 1.5% - on last year, a fact put down to the leap year (last Feb having one extra day).

Any further updates on the 757 reports?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12027 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 68):
SEN is probably still finding it difficult to convince London and the rest of the South East that it's a suitable alternative

Yes very true . Its excellent for areas such as Stratford/Olympic Village and Central parts of London but for West London and down to Surrey its a long way often with three trains.

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 70):
The Urbus link between Blanchardstown/Castleknock to DUB/Swords has ceased since 1/3/13. Very sad, it was a great link between D15 & the airport

Sign of the times. Some survive others dont. The decline has effected numerous Airport services with cuts to schedules and a rise in fares.


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 73, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11979 times:

Wizzair pulling out of Cork from April/May with three routes dropped:

Katowice-Cork
Poznan-Cork
Gdansk-Cork

Seems Ryanair have done the job they set out to do. Now you have to wonder how long they remain on the routes.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 74, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11949 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 73):
Wizzair pulling out of Cork from April/May with three routes dropped:

Was only a matter of time. There is only so much capacity it can sustain from ORK .

Still with a record number of seats on offer to other destinations this Summer from ORK its a case of you win some you loose some.

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On a positive note the new BFS-SZG flights for Winter 2013 are now on sale with Jet2.


User currently offlinerufusisgod From Ireland, joined Nov 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11636 times:

Evening,

Did Minoan Air start their Oxford service today? i see it listed on the dublin aiport website.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 175 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11512 times:

AA will be operating DUB-JFK 4 weekly in winter effective 27 October.

Aer Lingus Feb traffic very good considering capacity down 9.7% (SH) and 3.4% (LH) because of one less day and Belfast route changes. LF also increased.


User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

Metroliner accident at DUB this morning. Looks like nose gear failed.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/03/07/meanwhile-at-dublin-airport-16/

[Edited 2013-03-07 01:12:54]

User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 78, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11433 times:
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It seems there was an incident at DUB within the last 30 minutes. Photos on broadsheet.ie show what appears to be a Metroliner (?) with a collapsed nose gear. Various aircraft in the holds and likely diverting.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/03/07/meanwhile-at-dublin-airport-16/



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11426 times:

EI124, EI151 diverting to SNN along with two FR flights from EDI and BHX. It looks like various a/c are now intitiating approaches to Runway 16.

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11416 times:

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 78):
Various aircraft in the holds and likely diverting.

I think they are opening runway 16 now.

Has it been confirmed a metroliner? Operator?


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11417 times:

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 79):
EI124, EI151 diverting to SNN along with two FR flights from EDI and BHX. It looks like various a/c are now intitiating approaches to Runway 16.

Looks like those flights ran out of time and had to divert. A steady flow of arrivals now heading for 16 on flightradar.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 82, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11389 times:

Bound to have an effect on all flights today .

User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 83, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11385 times:
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Quoting clydenairways (Reply 80):
Has it been confirmed a metroliner? Operator?

Looks like Binair's D-CAVA to me, which has been to DUB before.


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User currently offlineanfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 438 posts, RR: 11
Reply 84, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11382 times:

Some news about the UK Competition Commission's investigation of Ryanair's near 30% share in Aer Lingus. Not a big news item, so I'm putting it into this thread rather than opening a new one.
Britain's Competition Commission has announced that - with the EU Commission's investigation of the proposed takeover now over - it has resumed its investigation into Ryanair's current share in EI. Findings will be published by July 11th. The authority has the power to order FR to sell its stake in EI.
(Source)



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11367 times:

Clearer pic here

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0307/breaking12.html


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 86, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11160 times:

I think this was already mentioned in the previous thread but EI is rumoured to be close to the B757 deal to use on SNN-BOS/JFK which will then free up the A330 for YYZ and SFO. Would be great to see if that happens.

User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 87, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11038 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 86):

I think this was already mentioned in the previous thread but EI is rumoured to be close to the B757 deal to use on SNN-BOS/JFK which will then free up the A330 for YYZ and SFO. Would be great to see if that happens.

It does seem to be gathering more momentum and doesn't just seem like wishful thinking/rumours.

http://www.ittn.ie/bulletins/aer-lin...pand-flights/#.UTiaFEAKPWI.twitter

The next A319s should be appearing soon and of course there's the Virgin Atlantic 'Red' aircraft hopping over the Irish sea at the end of the month.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2818 posts, RR: 15
Reply 88, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11029 times:

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 83):
Looks like Binair's D-CAVA to me, which has been to DUB before.

Binair...kind of appropriate name...  

It does seem to be gathering more momentum and doesn't just seem like wishful thinking/rumours.

http://www.ittn.ie/bulletins/aer-lin...pand-flights/#.UTiaFEAKPWI.twitter
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I really hope they come with winglets  



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User currently offlineanfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 438 posts, RR: 11
Reply 89, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11013 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 86):
I think this was already mentioned in the previous thread but EI is rumoured to be close to the B757 deal to use on SNN-BOS/JFK which will then free up the A330 for YYZ and SFO. Would be great to see if that happens.

Would be interesting indeed. Any word on whether the 757s would be limited to SNN only, or if there'd be any chance of some transatlantic routes from ORK as well?

A 4-year lease seems a good start - during that time they can see how the routes and plane sizes work for them, and then they can decide whether to buy/lease A321neo or 737-9MAX.



Flown on: A300B4, A310-200/-300, A319, A320-100/-200, A321-200, A330-200, A340-500/-600, A380-800, An-24, An-26, ATR42,
User currently offlineeirbus06 From Ireland, joined Apr 2006, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10897 times:

EI715 currently diverting to SNN after circling ORK. Any idea's?

User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 91, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10867 times:

Quoting eirbus06 (Reply 90):
EI715 currently diverting to SNN after circling ORK. Any idea's?

Low visibility being the reason reported on Twitter.


User currently offlinef1eddie From Ireland, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10755 times:

Anyone on here have any idea when the WIFI will be activated on EI. Im flying out to MCO on Tue to hour build... Cant wait.


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User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10736 times:

Quoting f1eddie (Reply 92):
Anyone on here have any idea when the WIFI will be activated on EI. Im flying out to MCO on Tue to hour build... Cant wait.

May 2013 is the start date with the A330 fleet. I think the widebody fleet is been configured with the infrastructure to support this currently.(last 2 330's are in maintenance now).


User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 94, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10685 times:

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 88):
I really hope they come with winglets

100% certain they will.


User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10528 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 71):
Aer Lingus figures (traffic) were marginally down - just by 1.5% - on last year, a fact put down to the leap year (last Feb having one extra day)


Load factor is not a good measure to judge how well or poorly an airline is doing as it gives no indication of how profitable the carrier is at transporting its passengers and I think is better to look at the RASM. EI could have had a higher RASM in Feb 2013 than Feb 2012 and thus been more profitable despite having a lower load factor.



It is what it is.
User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 96, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10220 times:
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Quoting aerdingus (Reply 88):
It does seem to be gathering more momentum and doesn't just seem like wishful thinking/rumours.

It certainly does seem to be gathering momentum. Still no word on whether this will see a return of year round EI transatlantic services from SNN. Hopefully this comes off as it is clearly the besy way forward for EI transatlantic services from SNN as well as opening up other possible thinner long haul routes from DUB.

Quoting anfromme (Reply 89):
Would be interesting indeed. Any word on whether the 757s would be limited to SNN only, or if there'd be any chance of some transatlantic routes from ORK as well?

I very much doubt it. EI will be unwilling to further split the market even further. The current capacity on transatlantic routes from SNN seems to be a perfect fit to while at the same time, avoiding the scenario of EI's SNN services competing with their own DUB services to the detriment of their yield. However, throwing ORK into the mix as well will change everything and it is hard to imagine that there is enough demand to offer transatlantic services from all three. EI will also be reluctant to withdraw services from SNN and move the whole operation to ORK as in spite of everything, SNN has the history and has proven that certain targeted transatlantic flights are sustainable and can be profitable provided the right aircraft and frequencies can be put in place. ORK has no such history and is therefore is a huge gamble for EI.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 97, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

I guess a fair reward for a job that has been quite hard?

Aer Lingus chief executive Christoph Mueller saw his combined pay, bonus and pension rise by 4 per cent to almost €1.3 million last year.

According to the airline's annual report, Mr Mueller's basic salary was unchanged at some €475,000, while his bonus rose to €647,000, the company's pension contribution on his behalf was some €119,000 and other benefits amounted to pre-tax profit to €40.6 million, roughly half the level of 2011.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0308/breaking10.html


User currently offlinePhen From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10183 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 97):
I guess a fair reward for a job that has been quite hard?

He has s tough job and has clearly been leading EI in the right direction so he does deserve to be rewarded. The amount however is large but I suppose thats par for the course these days.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 99, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10140 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 96):

The current rumours seem to suggest the fleet will be deployed
SNN-JFK
SNN-BOS
DUB-YYZ

DUB-SFO is the speculated use for The freed up A330 capacity.

I imagine the SNN services would operate between 10 and 14 weekly, they might need just a little slack in the schedule to operate a reliable timetable. Again, I'm not sure if YYZ would stay daily year round, maybe 4-6 weekly. I suppose some of it depends on what AC does with their seasonal service. Could they leave the Irish market altogether, or maybe send "Rouge" to DUB and leave business traffic to EI or withdraw entirely?



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 100, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10112 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 99):
The current rumours seem to suggest the fleet will be deployed
SNN-JFK
SNN-BOS
DUB-YYZ

DUB-SFO is the speculated use for The freed up A330 capacity.

I presume in an All Y config.

From Shannon, i wonder if they could use the 757 to operate a sector down to Spain or over to Heathrow from Shannon, freeing up a morning A320 frequency?

Now, im allowing my imagination to run wild, but If they did an AGP or FAO they could operate a 1 stop to JFK for example.

someone somewhere mentioned a 4 year lease - this is a long enough period to do a proper aircraft config - with IFE in y, and recliners in J if they decide to operate a Business cabin - 12 seats probably enough for Shannon.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 101, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10106 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 100):
I presume in an All Y config.

No I would expect two class.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 100):
- with IFE in y, and recliners in J if they decide to operate a Business cabin - 12 seats probably enough for Shannon.

Im sure they would. How long was the lease on the MD11'? When they used to operate BFS-SNN-JFK?


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 102, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10161 times:
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Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 99):
He has s tough job and has clearly been leading EI in the right direction so he does deserve to be rewarded. The amount however is large but I suppose thats par for the course these days.

Clearly the man has done a remarkable job turning EI around and deserves his due reward for doing that. However, with the whole pensions row still not fully resolved maybe now is not the best timing for such an announcement. It makes it much harder for lower paid employees to make sacrifices when they see the CEO not only getting well paid but getting massive bonuses.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 99):

I imagine the SNN services would operate between 10 and 14 weekly, they might need just a little slack in the schedule to operate a reliable timetable.

10 to 14 weekly from SNN would be pretty sweet. I'd imagine BOS would get a daily seeing as they have that one to themselves and JFK would get 5x weekly. In terms of maintenance, would EI likely outsource this as it hardly seems worth retraining their crews to service a new aircraft type that is probalby only going to be in the fleet for 4 years?



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 103, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9982 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 100):
I presume in an All Y config.

Plan is to have 12 Business Class seats with some form of hand held IFE unit to be provided. Apparently IFE in Economy at this moment in time will consist of a main screen.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 104, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9947 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 103):
Plan is to have 12 Business Class seats with some form of hand held IFE unit to be provided. Apparently IFE in Economy at this moment in time will consist of a main screen.

Surely they can rent out iPads or something like some low cost carriers do. Pre-loaded. It's a boring old flight with no IFE and I'd choose to fly from another city/with another carrier in Y if I had no IFE.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 105, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9931 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 104):
Surely they can rent out iPads or something like some low cost carriers do. Pre-loaded. It's a boring old flight with no IFE and I'd choose to fly from another city/with another carrier in Y if I had no IFE.

Well I guess large LCD overhead is better than nothing and if it saves a SNN route in Winter then I guess people can pre load and take their own iPads if they need it that much.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 106, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9905 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 103):
Apparently IFE in Economy at this moment in time will consist of a main screen.

considering EI has spent so much time and effort in improving the onboard experience, this will set them back.

Quoting tonystan (Reply 103):
Plan is to have 12 Business Class seats with some form of hand held IFE unit to be provided. Apparently IFE in Economy at this moment in time will consist of a main screen.

They cannot be any worse than the old AC 767s i flew on a few years back.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 107, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9896 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 105):
Well I guess large LCD overhead is better than nothing and if it saves a SNN route in Winter then I guess people can pre load and take their own iPads if they need it that much.

Oh, he said mainscreen - which I equate to "the big screen at the front of the cabin" - old school style.

It didn't cross my mind they'd be flip down LCDs - that wouldn't be so bad, apart from the sheer lack of choice. Better than nothing!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 108, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9893 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 107):
It didn't cross my mind they'd be flip down LCDs - that wouldn't be so bad, apart from the sheer lack of choice. Better than nothing!

These are the ones that AA had on their B757s last year. Id expect them to be similar or should I say hope  

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/AA757/file-65.jpg


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 109, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9845 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 104):
Quoting tonystan (Reply 103):
Plan is to have 12 Business Class seats with some form of hand held IFE unit to be provided. Apparently IFE in Economy at this moment in time will consist of a main screen.

Surely they can rent out iPads or something like some low cost carriers do. Pre-loaded. It's a boring old flight with no IFE and I'd choose to fly from another city/with another carrier in Y if I had no IFE.

Well still early days I suppose. But you throw up an interesting discussion. I know from my own experience "up there" that these days on flights operating within "the developed nations" so to speak that the amount of people bringing their own devices with their own downloaded content onboard is anything there above 50% and growing. Sure EI have clearly recognised this hence they are about to provide WIFI on their fleet. Maybe they are hoping that customers will realise this when booking on a 757!

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 106):
considering EI has spent so much time and effort in improving the onboard experience, this will set them back.

Depends how you look at it. If anything they are matching the competition but in another way they are providing a niche service so it's better than nothing. Having said that, all Iv said is based on present plans. It'll be at least 6 months when the plans do come about so who knows what may happen. What I don't foresee however is EI paying for a very costly refit of a lease in aircraft which will only be around for a few years.

I still find the concept exciting if not 10 years too late!!!!!



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 110, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9853 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 109):
I still find the concept exciting if not 10 years too late!!!!!

When did CO start flying to Dublin using the 757 - 16 years ago?

Well, I still think that EI should have gone the frequency route with the 787, which would have helped the hub concept they are trying to build in Dublin, allowed them to start new routes like YYZ and maintain SNN year round.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9842 times:

There are a few pics in the db of the Finnair interiors which show small dropdown monitors every few rows. You can also see the seats which i would expect would just be re-upholstered with the current EI covers. I'd be very surprised if the entire seat units were replaced as they are very expensive.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 112, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 111):
There are a few pics in the db of the Finnair interiors which show small dropdown monitors every few rows. You can also see the seats which i would expect would just be re-upholstered with the current EI covers. I'd be very surprised if the entire seat units were replaced as they are very expensive.

Indeed. Those are not too bad and if it had wifi it would be acceptable I think. J would need rebranded though.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 113, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9753 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 112):
Indeed. Those are not too bad and if it had wifi it would be acceptable I think. J would need rebranded though.

They'd have to have the current EI J seat you'd think. For a few rows per aircraft, the cost, even on a 4 year lease would be worth it. Especially since J has been going very well for EI - you don't want to have a different experience on certain aircraft - it's not been that long since the old J seats were gone and the same product was fleetwide.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 114, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9742 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 113):
They'd have to have the current EI J seat you'd think. For a few rows per aircraft, the cost, even on a 4 year lease would be worth it. Especially since J has been going very well for EI - you don't want to have a different experience on certain aircraft - it's not been that long since the old J seats were gone and the same product was fleetwide.

Yes much easier to do it in J with the numbers involved than Y . The ones similar to what UA have would be suitable. I found a few pics of when I flew Premier on the MD11 from BFS and they were green leather with Premier headrests in J but standard grey down the back .


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 115, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9747 times:

I think another factor to consider is that EI will want to keep cabin crew to 4, which means that they'll need to have less than 200 seats, which suggests J class - either 12 or 16 - is more than likely.

It's amazing when you step back and think about it ... the only aircraft that can do the job is a plane that has been out of production for seven (?) years. It's certainly unprecedented in EI's history. It would be like bringing the 707 back into service in the late 1980s.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 116, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9745 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 113):
They'd have to have the current EI J seat you'd think. For a few rows per aircraft, the cost, even on a 4 year lease would be worth it. Especially since J has been going very well for EI - you don't want to have a different experience on certain aircraft - it's not been that long since the old J seats were gone and the same product was fleetwide.

Does the EI seat fit onto a 757?



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 117, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 110):
Quoting tonystan (Reply 109):
I still find the concept exciting if not 10 years too late!!!!!

When did CO start flying to Dublin using the 757 - 16 years ago?

Well, I still think that EI should have gone the frequency route with the 787, which would have helped the hub concept they are trying to build in Dublin, allowed them to start new routes like YYZ and maintain SNN year round.


What I mean is its an exciting concept for EI!!!! And I forgot its already 2013, it's something RI should, have implemented in the late 90s of not earlier. A fleet of smaller aircraft providing niche routes into Ireland could have successfully developed Dublin as the perfect transit hub for east/west traffic. But suppose that needs to go hand in hand with a progressive government aviation policy which is something that has regretfully lacked in Ireland and allowed other European airports developed rapidly.

If this little experiment works for EI I would almost expect a good sized order of NEOs for expansion and I feed allowing Longhaul routes out of Cork!



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 118, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9646 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 116):
Does the EI seat fit onto a 757?

Presumably!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 119, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 118):
Presumably!

Could be an issue with width and weight so would probably need to be the UA type version.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 120, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 119):

I think the seat EI use is the CL6510 from Recaro. AA use a lightly customised version of this seat in their 757s, so it should fit. I would hope EI would fit these to the 757s, but I don't think a recliner would be too terrible either. I say this because the SNN routes are hardly any longer than a run down to the canaries and the YYZ route from DUB is similar. Competition on these routes hardly sports the latest and greatest on these route either. DL 757s have recliners in J, although AVOD throughout, the 767s are a bit hit and miss but will soon have AVOD and flat beds. US 757s and 767s are pretty basic. AA don't have AVOD, but do have flat beds. AC have neither AVOD nor flatbeds on the DUB route. I think most of the airlines even charge for headphones in Y!

So really, flip down screens a clean, comfortable cabin and a decent J recliner would be quite competitive from SNN-JFK, the only offering to BOS and the only offering in the winter to YYZ. Frankly, EI can get away with an inferior product compared to the A330 on these routes.



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 121, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9530 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 115):
It's amazing when you step back and think about it ... the only aircraft that can do the job is a plane that has been out of production for seven (?) years. It's certainly unprecedented in EI's history. It would be like bringing the 707 back into service in the late 1980s.

I would say that (presuming this arrangement comes to pass) that this will be the most radical shake up in EI's long haul route strategy since the A330 was introduced.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 120):
So really, flip down screens a clean, comfortable cabin and a decent J recliner would be quite competitive from SNN-JFK, the only offering to BOS and the only offering in the winter to YYZ. Frankly, EI can get away with an inferior product compared to the A330 on these routes.

Those pictures of the Finnair interiors that clydenairways posted above are at least as good as the old CO interiors before the refit and are hell of a lot better than the best that I have ever seen with AA. I have never flown US or DL so I cannot comment. As Brian points out that apart from SNN-NYC, EI does not face much competition on the routes these aircraft are to be dispatched on so they can get away with a slightly inferior product in economy. Obviously they don't want to let down their business class product. At the end of the day, these B757's are concept proving before they commit a massive investment in the A321NEO so they might as well hold off investing in the interiors until they place an order for those.



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9408 times:
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Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 120):
I don't think a recliner would be too terrible either. I say this because the SNN routes are hardly any longer than a run down to the canaries and the DUB is similar. Competition on these routes hardly sports the latest and greatest on these route either. DL 757s have recliners in J, although AVOD throughout, the 767s are a bit hit and miss but will soon have AVOD and flat beds. US 757s and 767s are pretty basic. AA don't have AVOD, but do have flat beds. AC have neither AVOD nor flatbeds on the DUB route. I think most of the airlines even charge for headphones in Y!
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 120):
Frankly, EI can get away with an inferior product compared to the A330 on these routes.

I'm with Brian, while I would like to think that EI would maintain their hard product.....I feel that the stopgap nature of this deal will result in the men with the cheque books asking "what is the minimum we can get away with in this situation?"

As regards Wi-Fi on the rumoured B757's, I doubt it, Short term damp lease.....can't see doing any refits more than the neccesary to install a dozen or so J class seats. I could be pleasantly surprised however.



As an aside can anyone confirm that the US carriers use 6 cabin crew on their B757's?

[Edited 2013-03-08 16:33:47]

User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9401 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 103):
Apparently IFE in Economy at this moment in time will consist of a main screen.
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 104):
Surely they can rent out iPads or something like some low cost carriers do. Pre-loaded. It's a boring old flight with no IFE and I'd choose to fly from another city/with another carrier in Y if I had no IFE.

I think people will get over the lack of seat-back audio/video on demand if inflight WiFi is available - does anyone know if this will be the case?

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 122):
As an aside can anyone confirm that the US carriers use 6 cabin crew on their B757's?

My last transatlantic 757 flight was in 2010 with Continental Airlines (EWR-SNN) and I believe six cabin crew were working it. I think US have six as well judging by their post on Twitter today which incidentally includes a picture of an all-female crew of three pilots and six cabin crew standing outside DUB Terminal 1 before working a DUB-CLT run last summer. This was in recognition of International Women's Day.

http://twitpic.com/aulncx

So three female pilots are needed to perform the duties of two males on the flight deck?   

[Edited 2013-03-08 16:16:17]


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User currently offlinerufusisgod From Ireland, joined Nov 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9133 times:

Minimum crew on EI reg for 757 is 5 regardless of the 1:50 rule. For anything of 2 class service most airlines use 6 cabin crew.

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 125, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9073 times:

Incredible array of 737s and MDs in DUB this afternoon. I initially thought it was for the Rugby but when I saw a LOT thrown in to the mix I got a little confused!!!!!!

Anyone have any ideas????



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User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 126, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9059 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 125):

The LO was a rugby charter, arrived yesterday from CDG.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 127, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Could EI do something radical eastbound with the 757, like CAI, TLV, or even south to Lagos - all (somehow???) feeding the DUB trans-Atlantic services?


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 128, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8970 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 127):
Could EI do something radical eastbound with the 757, like CAI, TLV, or even south to Lagos - all (somehow???) feeding the DUB trans-Atlantic services?

I doubt it no demand for those to the extent of a dedicated flight. It would have been hard enough in the boom days. Only thing I could see is EI teaming up with tour operators as they have with routes such as BHD-PMI this Summer and maybe running B757s down to SSH in a tie up with Thomas Cook or similar for Wintersun hols.

Thet could try Cape Verde but that didnt work the last time with Falcon either.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

DUB's website is having some trouble with the codes for the rugby charters leaving, listing flights as being operated by Proteus (gone for over a decade) and Air Jamacia Express. Huge amount of charters on though, not seen that many since the Europa League final.

User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 175 posts, RR: 2
Reply 130, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

Would EI's A321 not be able to fly DUB-SSH? ZB use them from MAN and BHX etc but I think they have some work done to make it possible.

User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 131, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8786 times:
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God I really hope this B757 plan goes ahead. There are going to be so many disappointed members here if it doesn't!

[Edited 2013-03-09 14:10:37]


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User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8789 times:

EI's A321s are comparatively very, very old - although ZB have some similar age ones most of their fleet is much newer. There's presumably been a lot of performance improvements since 1998.

I wouldn't be too surprised if TLV could have a proper go made of it now, as there's fairly significant corporate traffic with Intel and other firms these days that wasn't there in the past. Arkia seem to operate it as a tourist service only.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 175 posts, RR: 2
Reply 133, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8641 times:

An nterview with EY CEO and his "plans" for EI:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...rt/9919835/Etihads-Irish-plan.html


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 134, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8564 times:

Some of the charters out of DUB today :



User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8337 times:

So according to the EI timetable, tomorrow was to see EI starting up SNN t/a operations again and also start extra t/a fligths from DUB. The timetable shows 3 fligths tomorrow to BOS, 2 to JFK and 1 to ORD. That would 6 aircraft but currently EI-ELA and EI-DUZ are in France for maintenance which leaves the l/h fleet at 5. (just checked and can't find EI133 for tomorrow - guess it got cancelled)

Going back to the 757 discussion and the standard of the cabins etc that will be offered. Since the rumours seem to be expecting 3 757's in the fleet, one would assume that at least 1 if not 2 would be DUB based. This IMO is where having a marked difference in the Business seating, IFE, WiFi etc would be bad considering the work that has been done to the 330's to improve the onboard product. Would J class fares be different based on which aircraft one would fly? Same for economy? Will be interesting to see what EI is going to do here(if all the romours are in fact true)


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 8270 times:

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 135):

The EI139 doesn't start till 31st Mar. EI133 still operating as scheduled according to AerLingus.com
Only the SNN-BOS operates tomorrow, no JFK service.



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User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8212 times:

SNN have started marketing their three new routes both on the website and at the airport itself.



I presume (and hope) a wider marketing campaign will follow.

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 135):
one would assume that at least 1 if not 2 would be DUB based.

I'd assume two 757s would be based at SNN during the summer (for three or four days of the week anyway) to cover a daily SNN-BOS and 4/5/6/7 weekly SNN-JFK.



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 138, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7836 times:
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Good morning all, pretty old day here in Dublin,

Just heard that that dusting of icing sugar is causing delays from DUB.
(Well its a mere dusting in the city centre where I am)


Also EI now have a date or the move to T5 on their website:
http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinfor...nowbeforeyoufly/newyorkjfkairport/

"Effective April 3, 2013 Aer Lingus will arrive into and depart from Terminal 5 at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK). While known as JetBlue’s T5, Aer Lingus will have its own dedicated area within the terminal, allowing for easy check in, baggage handling and seamless connections."


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 139, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7752 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 138):
Just heard that that dusting of icing sugar is causing delays from DUB.
(Well its a mere dusting in the city centre where I am)

Well Im not sure what its like in DUB but further North along the border its terrible. One hour to do a car journey normally 20 minutes and quite a few accidents. Im not sure what its like at BFS/BHD.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 138):
Also EI now have a date or the move to T5 on their website:
http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinfor...port/

Thats great and hope it works well for EI and B6 .


User currently offlineORKCC From Ireland, joined Mar 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7728 times:

The first of the new ATR 72-600's for EIR are due for delivery from May. What ATR's are due to leave the fleet? Will they keep the 42's for the KIR-DUB for example?

User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 141, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

Quoting ORKCC (Reply 140):

I don't think it's been confirmed yet. I do seem to recall the frames leased from Air Cntractors were for a period of 3 years. The leases are coming due about now if that is the case, so I suspect SLL and SLM will be the first to go. Hopefully after those it will be REI and REH. Bloody awful pair those are!



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User currently offlineORKCC From Ireland, joined Mar 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 141):
Hopefully after those it will be REI and REH. Bloody awful pair those are!

Yes I agree there. The reliability issues are unbelievable at this stage. It will be good to get some fresh metal into the fleet.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7578 times:

Lots of diversions into SNN this morning (which also took a dusting of "icing sugar"):

- FR153 (LBA-DUB)
- US722 (PHL-DUB)
- EI149 (LHR-DUB)
- BA832 (LHR-DUB)
- EI231 (LGW-DUB)
- DL92 (JFK-DUB)
- FR771 (PIK-DUB)
- FR2972 (KUN-DUB)

Also EI is currently positioning down EI-DUO to operate the first SNN transatlantic flight of the season, operating as flight EI135 to BOS, estimated to depart at 13:30



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 143):
Lots of diversions into SNN this morning (which also took a dusting of "icing sugar"):

Very expensive sugar indeed.


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 145, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7234 times:

Anyone know what happened EI137 today? Looks like it went back to DUB. The return EI136 seems to be cancelled.

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 146, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

Dublin actually did pretty well this morning.

Out of nowhere, it got a heavy burst of snow accompanied by gusts over the course of about 40 minutes, with the snow sticking very quickly. It did stop almost as suddenly as it started, and there was about 4cm on the ground at that stage, which did need clearing.

10/28 was shut for just about 30 minutes while that was completed.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 147, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 146):
Out of nowhere

Although it was reported on the news and weather 24 hours before so they knew it was coming.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 148, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 147):
Although it was reported on the news and weather 24 hours before so they knew it was coming.

LOL! Sorry, should have made myself clearer!

It had been expected all night, but failed to materialise until the morning rush. I remember being outside around 6;30 this morning, and it was calm and clear. At 6:35, I looked outside, and all of a sudden it was blustery and chucking it down with snow. Typical Irish weather, just with snow instead of rain....



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User currently offlinerufusisgod From Ireland, joined Nov 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

Question for those in the know @ EI.

I'm trying to book a flight from JFK to DUB on 23rd March. There is a flight EI2016 on that day operated by Air Zambezi.... i'm pretty sure that 1. EI wouldn't use them for work & 2. they don't have 767s.

Anyone any idea? i'd imagine it's Titan doing the extra flights.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 175 posts, RR: 2
Reply 150, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6980 times:

Quoting rufusisgod (Reply 149):

Its an extra flight due to high demand. They had planned to operate it with the spare A332 but I am guessing its due to some aircraft in France having checks. So they may overrun. It won't be Titan operating it, EI always use an American company to operate any extra flights that they can't. I think its Air Transport International that they use.

[Edited 2013-03-11 15:11:07]

User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

EI's seasonal return to SNN-BOS and SNN-JFK was celebrated today with a cake. Photo taken next to Gate 109 shortly before the departure of EI135:

http://i50.tinypic.com/4pw9du.jpg

http://www.shannonairport.com/gns/ab...s_as_Aer_Lingus_returns_early.aspx



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User currently offlineORKCC From Ireland, joined Mar 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

Story on tomorrow's Irish Indo stating Ryanair to announce new Boeing deal for 200 a/c next week

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 153, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6881 times:

Quoting ORKCC (Reply 152):
Story on tomorrow's Irish Indo stating Ryanair to announce new Boeing deal for 200 a/c next week

Interesting! any indication if for replacement and / or expansion?



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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 175 posts, RR: 2
Reply 154, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

EI 137 DUB-BOS yesterday had flaps problem.

http://avherald.com/h?article=45f0905a&opt=0


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 155, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6863 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 154):
EI 137 DUB-BOS yesterday had flaps problem.

http://avherald.com/h?article=45f090...opt=0

That may present a problem tomorrow given that EI have 6 scheduled t/a flights tomorrow and only 4 planes(assuming EI-LAX is still tech tomorrow).


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4161 posts, RR: 13
Reply 156, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 155):
That may present a problem tomorrow given that EI have 6 scheduled t/a flights tomorrow and only 4 planes(assuming EI-LAX is still tech tomorrow).

LAX was back in service today and operated to Boston.



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 157, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6702 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 151):
EI's seasonal return to SNN-BOS and SNN-JFK was celebrated today with a cake. Photo taken next to Gate 109 shortly before the departure of EI135:

Good to see them making a bit of publicity about the return of the summer transatlantic services. In years gone by, they just sort of started with little or nothing said about it. The SNN marketing team have really srtarted to put in a badly needed effort this past year or so. I thing the press releases section of the SNN website has posted more articles in the past year alone than the 10 years previous put together.



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User currently offlineORKCC From Ireland, joined Mar 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6623 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 153):

Some fleet replacement but mostly expansion. Can they still buy 737NG or does it have to be 737Max?


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 156):
LAX was back in service today and operated to Boston.

Yes it did operate the 137 but had to return to DUB with flap issues. Doesn't look like any of the t/a flights are cancelled today though. So I am guessing that some other metal will be operating some flights today for EI.


User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 160, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6539 times:
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Quoting rufusisgod (Reply 149):
Anyone any idea? i'd imagine it's Titan doing the extra flights
Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 150):
It won't be Titan operating it, EI always use an American company to operate any extra flights that they can't. I think its Air Transport International that they use.

Air Zambezi (defunct since 2002) previously used the IATA code ZT, which is now used by Titan. This is obviously another of those IT issues with old IATA codes and the flight will be flown by a Titan 767. The outbound is the EI 2017 earlier in the day.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 161, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6531 times:

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 160):
will be flown by a Titan 767

God love anyone on those . Not the nicest product .


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 162, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6492 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 161):
Yes it did operate the 137 but had to return to DUB with flap issues. Doesn't look like any of the t/a flights are cancelled today though. So I am guessing that some other metal will be operating some flights today for EI.

So EI-LAX is back in service today operating the 105. Still short one plane for today.


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 131):
God I really hope this B757 plan goes ahead. There are going to be so many disappointed members here if it doesn't!

There have been rumours about a lot of things over the years but usually you can find holes in their story, this one sounds a bit more credible to me. If it's a wind-up then the guy who started it over on prune is going to get an earfull.
I hope it happens myself, i think Ireland's location is positioned that it can take advantage of A321NEO services to deeper N American cities than from any other European and even most UK airports.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 127):
Could EI do something radical eastbound with the 757, like CAI, TLV, or even south to Lagos - all (somehow???) feeding the DUB trans-Atlantic services?

I can't see CAI or TLV on the cards but Lagos would be very interesting. It seems to have decent yields and you can time it to fit in with all the UK connections.