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User currently offlineBoeing777300 From North Korea, joined Jan 2004, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10911 times:

I have noticed that the latest batch of 767-322ER's N664UA-N677UA, have all now visited Europe, previously being restricted to the American continent and Hawaiin routes and was wondering what the chances of the missing 777-200ER's being refurbished and visting Europe eventually. The batch in question is N210UA-N215UA inclusive, which to my knowledge have not yet been across the pond.

Any comments would be welcome.


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

All of PMUA's domestic 763s have been converted to a 2 class international product. There are no plans to get rid of the domestic 777 subfleet (in fact I believe they are going to grow the fleet slightly) so they won't be visiting Europe anytime soon.

User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10663 times:

Quoting Boeing777300 (Thread starter):
what the chances of the missing 777-200ER's being refurbished and visting Europe eventually

The 6 domestic 772s are not going anywhere. They are the only sUA aircraft that can operate ORD-HNL and it continues on to GUM. I suppose the 764 might make it but sCO does not have any to spare.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10547 times:

Quoting Boeing777300 (Thread starter):
have all now visited Europe, previously being restricted to the American continent and Hawaiin routes and was wondering what the chances of the missing 777-200ER's being refurbished and visting Europe eventually. The batch in question is N210UA-N215UA inclusive, which to my knowledge have not yet been across the pond.

UAs actually increasing the number of domestic 777-200s from 6 frames to 9. UA uses them on flights from the lower 48 to Hawaii and onto GUM/Japan....probably no chance of ever seeing them in Europe.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 2):
I suppose the 764 might make it but sCO does not have any to spare.

The 4 low-J 764's are being reconfigured to the standard lie flat configuration.



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User currently onlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10428 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 2):
I suppose the 764 might make it but sCO does not have any to spare.

The 764 can make ORD-HNL. It does EWR/IAD-HNL so ORD would not be an issue. With that said I think the plan (at least today) is for the domestic 777 to end up on HNL while the 764s are moved to Europe flying from ORD/IAD/EWR


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2726 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

While the 764 with new international configuration does not have F seating as the sUA772A with old international config, it has only 16 fewer total seats (22 fewer premium seats, but 6 more Y seats).

The 772A in Hawaiian config should hold about 100 seat more than the sCO 764 which have flown Hawaii and GUM until last year.

That's good trade for seat demand along with standardizing both fleets, isolating both fleets in East Coast (764) and HNL (772A). They have the same stated range and are both capable of EWR-HNL and TATL up to EWR-IST.

Expect the 9 772A Hawaiian configured aircraft to fly the following when completed:

1.) GUM-NRT X2
2.) HNL-GUM
3.) EWR-HNL
4.) IAD-HNL
5.) IAH-HNL
6.) ORD-HNL
7.) SFO-HNL
8.) DEN-HNL??
9.) SPARE (maybe ORD-OGG Sat.)

This would put 5-7 of the 9 units in HNL in the early evening for swap out. HNL could do light maint work, with SFO being the heavier maint shop.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10275 times:

Not giving UA any ideas here, but I wonder if UA would be interested in converting the Domestic 777s into 3-4-3 in Economy.


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User currently offlineN505FX From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
Not giving UA any ideas here, but I wonder if UA would be interested in converting the Domestic 777s into 3-4-3 in Economy.

I'm not giving A.net mods any ideas...but you should be banned from this site for life  


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10222 times:

Quoting N505FX (Reply 7):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
Not giving UA any ideas here, but I wonder if UA would be interested in converting the Domestic 777s into 3-4-3 in Economy.

I'm not giving A.net mods any ideas...but you should be banned from this site for life  

hehe.....now now

AFAIK 3*3*3 was the plan....I did hear a rumor at one point that it would retain 2*5*2 reusing the old international Y seats.



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User currently offlineairsmiles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8639 times:

So which aircraft are now the 9 domestic B772's? 210-215 + which 3 others?

Thanks


User currently offlineflybhx764 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 272 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

I am not sure if it was a 752 or a 763 in LHR on the night of 26/02/2013. I seen it parked up opposite gate 411. Looked like a 752 in the old United colours. I did not know they flew the UA aircrafts there, thought they only used the CO ones

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5):
That's good trade for seat demand along with standardizing both fleets, isolating both fleets in East Coast (764) and HNL (772A).

Has it been confirmed from UA that 3 international 772s are going domestic (HNL/GUM based) and the 4 764s AirMike (GUM based) are going international? If so, I think the UA widebody fleet will finally have a rational organization to it post merger...

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
Not giving UA any ideas here, but I wonder if UA would be interested in converting the Domestic 777s into 3-4-3 in Economy.
Quoting N505FX (Reply 7):
I'm not giving A.net mods any ideas...but you should be banned from this site for life

Funniest thing I have heard on A-Net in a long time and I have heard some funny things!

Quoting airsmiles (Reply 9):
So which aircraft are now the 9 domestic B772's? 210-215 + which 3 others?

According to the thread below, three of these 7 will become the domestic birds and 4 still need the new international seats.
768/772/779/786/791/796/799

United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 15 (by iowaman Feb 19 2013 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 10):
I am not sure if it was a 752 or a 763 in LHR on the night of 26/02/2013. I seen it parked up opposite gate 411. Looked like a 752 in the old United colours. I did not know they flew the UA aircrafts there, thought they only used the CO ones

If it was in old UA colors then it had to be a 767. No UA 757s are sent across the pond (many are not even ETOPS rated). It is the PMCO 757's that perform the transatlantic flying.


User currently offlineTW870 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4594 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 11):

According to the thread below, three of these 7 will become the domestic birds and 4 still need the new international seats.
768/772/779/786/791/796/799

I believe 786, and certainly 791, 796, and 799 were all delivered as PW4084-powererd 777-200ERs, whereas 768, 772, and 779 - plus 210-215 - are PW4077-powered 777-200s. So is the idea that they might mix the 2-class fleet with both -200s and -200ERs?


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting TW870 (Reply 13):
I believe 786, and certainly 791, 796, and 799 were all delivered as PW4084-powererd 777-200ERs, whereas 768, 772, and 779 - plus 210-215 - are PW4077-powered 777-200s. So is the idea that they might mix the 2-class fleet with both -200s and -200ERs?

So, is 768, 772 and 779 are converted to the 2-class domestic (HNL and GUM) fleet, then the 9 planes in that fleet would all be 777-200. Is that correct?


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 14):
So, is 768, 772 and 779 are converted to the 2-class domestic (HNL and GUM) fleet, then the 9 planes in that fleet would all be 777-200. Is that correct?

I believe that was the conclusion we came to on these boards anyway. There are 3 772As (768, 772, 779) that haven't been converted to IPTE, so those would go to HI config. It makes absolutely no sense to put a 77E in domestic config.

799, one of the ERs, had just entered for IPTE when the 787s were grounded, so it was returned to service in the old config. I believe 786 is undergoing IPTE right now.


User currently offlineflybhx764 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 272 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 12):
If it was in old UA colors then it had to be a 767. No UA 757s are sent across the pond (many are not even ETOPS rated). It is the PMCO 757's that perform the transatlantic flying.

I was thinking the same thing but I am very certain it was a 752.


User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3996 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3471 times:
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Quoting Polot (Reply 12):
It is the PMCO 757's that perform the transatlantic flying.

Right. And when you see United 757s you can tell which is which, because PMUA 757s are PW powered and PMCO 757s are RR powered. The PW engines have their nozzle coming out of the cowling, the RR engines don't. That's how I can tell a United 757 comes from Continental.
It is true that United (pre merger) never flew the 757 to Europe.

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User currently offlinerocket45 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

Bad news for the business traveler flying United SFO-GUM or MNL. The almost 8 hour HNL-GUM flight in business/first is the old 38 inch seat while fares match competitors fares offeringr 60 inch to flatbed seating.

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Quoting rocket45 (Reply 18):
Bad news for the business traveler flying United SFO-GUM or MNL. The almost 8 hour HNL-GUM flight in business/first is the old 38 inch seat while fares match competitors fares offeringr 60 inch to flatbed seating.

UA is removing the domestic first class seats and installing the old J class seats in their place. Should be a fairly comfortable ride.



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User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 15):
I believe that was the conclusion we came to on these boards anyway. There are 3 772As (768, 772, 779) that haven't been converted to IPTE, so those would go to HI config. It makes absolutely no sense to put a 77E in domestic config.

It does make a little since because supposedly the 4 CO 764 that are in HI Config will be converted to international service with CO lie flat businessfirst seats. So once all the conversions have been done there will be no 767-300 or 400 in domestic config and all the domestic 777 will get refreshed with all new cabins although UA has not to my knowledge release the details on the interior config. However, I suspect that UA will still use some 764's for HI service because a 777 on the IAD-HNL route is really to much capacity on that route I think EWR-HNL will remain a 764 as well even though it probably could support a 777 and DEN-HNL I think will either be a 763 (2 class) or 764 during the high season. I suspect SFO-HNL will probably go to 3 777 and a 753 a day during the high season. ORD, IAH will have 777 service daily LAX might get 777 service back while the other flights would be on a 753. The remaining 777 aircraft will be used for HNL-GUM and NRT-GUM routes which should leave UA with a few spares.


User currently onlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 16):

If it was the United blue tulip paint, it was a 767. The PMUA 757s do not cross the Atlantic.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

Quoting DualQual (Reply 21):
The PMUA 757s do not cross the Atlantic.

Correct. The reason why: Why United Can’t Use Its Own 757s to Fly to Europe



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
Not giving UA any ideas here, but I wonder if UA would be interested in converting the Domestic 777s into 3-4-3 in Economy.

Ooh no no no, please take that back! Have you been on a 10-abreast 777? It's absolutely horrible.

Quoting N505FX (Reply 7):
I'm not giving A.net mods any ideas...but you should be banned from this site for life

Ditto!



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User currently offlinerocket45 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Thanks United1 for the seat news. Will look forward to flying SFO-HNL-GUM -MNL when the J seats are flying, assuming they will have the 55-60 inch leg room.

25 United1 : Should be a good ride....I should put the caveat out there that UA has announced nothing formally but that is what has been reported on here by multi
26 Norcal773 : That's good to know. I've avoided UA to MNL specifically for that reason, crappy J...thus have flown longer routes to enjoy the SQs and OZs of this w
27 flybhx764 : I contacted my friend at United and she told me that is was a 767 not a 757, it was the cancelled flight from Washington. Sorry for the confusion.
28 LHCVG : Just clarify regarding the fate of the 764s, is it confirmed that they are in fact all going to be int'l configured in the future a la DL, or are we g
29 TW870 : Just a clarification on this. Can a PW4077-powered 777-222 make EWR-HNL fully loaded? I think FRA-ORD was about the longest flight sUA flew the stand
30 FriendlySkies : Nothing was publicly confirmed from United but reliable sources on this board have said the first of the 4 high density 764s is already in mod.
31 CODC10 : I believe the ship in HKG receiving the mods is N69063 (#3063), one of the sCO 76H birds in the 20/236 configuration.
32 LHCVG : Fair enough, thanks for the info! I must have missed that.
33 CALPSAFltSkeds : Not sure. The 777-200 has a 5240NM stated range and the 764ER has a 5625NM stated range. EWR-HNL is 4962NM, but there are heavy winds at times and ET
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