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727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)  
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3113 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12799 times:

http://www.adn.com/2013/02/26/280358...ooth-landing-at-merrill-field.html

IIRC the runway measures 4000'x100'. FedEx donated the aircraft to UAA for training purposes.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5720 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12739 times:

I missed it today, but I'm glad the ADN managed to grab someone's footage!

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12718 times:

Made two low approaches before landing on third time around.

http://youtu.be/mxynk6cTjTg

http://youtu.be/nc8OuEwsOGM



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User currently offlineWhiteWasp From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12382 times:

I'm assuming it was bare bones. Still very very impressive! Wasn't there a UA 727 that landed at Meigs many years ago?

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2994 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12340 times:

That is the most impressive airliner landing I've ever seen! 11 seconds from touchdown to basically stopped. Wow!


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5720 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12235 times:

Quoting WhiteWasp (Reply 3):
I'm assuming it was bare bones. Still very very impressive! Wasn't there a UA 727 that landed at Meigs many years ago?

Indeed; that was a -100 model, and it is now glue to the wall at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. I walked through it last summer; pretty neat exhibit!

This one that landed at Merrill today was a -200, though.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11832 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 4):
That is the most impressive airliner landing I've ever seen! 11 seconds from touchdown to basically stopped. Wow!


Indeed. The -100 was capable of using some pretty short runways, one of the reasons it was developed.....truly awesome machines the B727-100 and 200.



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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11620 times:

Simply impressive to see how fast planes can stop when they really want to and max breaking is used.

Does anyone know how much of the 4,000 ft runway was used up here/how much was left when the plane stopped?

How far pass the threshold did it touch down?



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User currently offlinewilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11548 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Simply impressive to see how fast planes can stop when they really want to and max breaking is used.

Does anyone know how much of the 4,000 ft runway was used up here/how much was left when the plane stopped?

How far pass the threshold did it touch down?

Fly enough, and one will experience a landing like that. I know I have. I was on a TWA 727 into Houston Hobby and we landed on 12R and was stopped and turning on taxiway K, about halfway down a 7602 ft runway, impressive.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8151 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11501 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 4):
That is the most impressive airliner landing I've ever seen! 11 seconds from touchdown to basically stopped. Wow!

You think that's impressive, take a look at this landing on a 15m wide runway and with a crosswind. This runway is 4,800ft though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap_nyRzEOMI


User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11465 times:
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Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Does anyone know how much of the 4,000 ft runway was used up here/how much was left when the plane stopped?

I don't know this - but I do recall reading in the book "Loud and Clear" that they demonstrated ground rolls in the 1000 ft range during development. The 727 had nose gear brakes - largely deactivated later because they were not needed. I believe they demonstrated 700ft-ish landing rolls during testing.



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User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1320 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11400 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Does anyone know how much of the 4,000 ft runway was used up here/how much was left when the plane stopped?

Can't speak for this flight, but when I use to work for DL at PWM, the morning FedEx 727 flight from MEM use to regularly pull off the runway at the 4,000ft mark after landing.

That's exactly what the 727 was designed to do. Fly in and out of strips that were to big for the earlier jets such as 707s or DC-8s.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24629 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11220 times:

After AC retired the last of their DC-9-32s in 2002 they donated one to the Canadian Aviation Museum in Ottawa. It landed on the 3,300 ft. runway at Rockliffe Airport (YRO) near the city center where the museum is located. Used about 2,000 ft. of runway.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11161 times:
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Quoting 4holer (Reply 4):
That is the most impressive airliner landing I've ever seen! 11 seconds from touchdown to basically stopped. Wow!

It was certainly very cool....but I was going to say this:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
You think that's impressive, take a look at this landing on a 15m wide runway and with a crosswind. This runway is 4,800ft though.

Definitely not cooler than the SP landing at Rand Airport. May have had a slightly longer field, but obviously a much bigger bird.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2994 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10072 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
You think that's impressive, take a look at this landing on a 15m wide runway and with a crosswind. This runway is 4,800ft though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap_ny...zEOMI

I've seen that and it's indeed impressive but in a different way. The quickness of the decelleration with the 727 was what I meant.



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User currently offlineseat55a From New Zealand, joined Jan 2013, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9675 times:

I think the Globemaster that landed at Peter O Knight instead of MacDill beats them all...no precautionaries, no planning (well, at least not that they admitted).

And it was able to take off again with no issues.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9213 times:

Anyone catch the tail number?

User currently offlineil75 From Argentina, joined May 2001, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9078 times:

Nice video, impressive landing!

A question a bit OT: Both the 727 and the South African 747 have the landing gear down while performing low bypasses/ flyovers. Why that if they never intended to land? Is it precautionary? Is it to brake the plane? I just wonder.

Thanks!


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

Awesome video here,

http://youtu.be/dNYqIl7P9RQ

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 16):
Anyone catch the tail number?

N492FE

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8494 times:
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Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 18):
Awesome video here,

Certainly is. Thanks a lot for that one.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8666 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7760 times:

While we're at it, here's a video from Germany, courtesy of some pretty bloody skilled Russian pilots: AN-22 landing in Speyer Years ago, I had the chance to go inside that aircraft - it is every bit as massive as it looks in the video.


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User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7542 times:
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Quoting il75 (Reply 17):
A question a bit OT: Both the 727 and the South African 747 have the landing gear

I suspect you'd have configuration warnings going off - and better to configure for the situation you are in.

Also - if they were really doing test approaches, they want the aircraft configured the same way as the real one.



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User currently offlinebtfarrwm From United States of America, joined May 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

Here's another impressive landing. Evergreen flew this 747-100 to McMinnville, OR and it now sits on top of their waterpark with waterslides. The runway is ~5420' long and 150' wide.

http://youtu.be/tbYi8QnEU7I


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4262 times:
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Quoting btfarrwm (Reply 22):
Here's another impressive landing. Evergreen flew this 747-100 to McMinnville, OR and it now sits on top of their waterpark with waterslides. The runway is ~5420' long and 150' wide.

And they sure 'wasted' a lot of runway on this landing it looks like.



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User currently offlineAlaskanJohn From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4246 times:

Th FedEx 727 landed literally right on the numbers! After a small bounce, he was down and at taxi speed in what I estimate was about 2800 ft. The bird was so light that, prior to the first of two planned practice approaches the captain advised when asked by ATC that he would check his fuel after the first pass and then decide whether to do the planned second practice approach or just do the full stop landing. To the delight of the spectators, he did the second pass before coming around for the very exciting landing! While being towed to parking, the captain joked with ATC that this was not his typical airline landing, to which ATC replied that it looked pretty good to all of us! Local television stations' news report there were three fly-bys before landing. That is not true.

[Edited 2013-02-27 19:59:07]

User currently offlineAlaskanJohn From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4405 times:

Another interesting back story to this flight: N492FE is named "Two Bears." FedEx Express has a tradition of christening each of its jets with the name of an employee's child. The father of Two Bears (who is now an adult "child") is a 28-year Fedex aviation maintenance employee (Manager) here in Anchorage. So it seems especialy fitting that Two Bears is now retired in Anchorage!

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

The news said something about a second 727 going to a school in Fairbanks, anybody got the info?


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User currently offlinebraniff722 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

It kills me to see the 727 story coming to an end! Without a doubt, one of Boeing's greatest design and plane ever built!

Honestly, in the 21st century, I think if Boeing built a 727-300, based on the same design, but with 21st century technology, it could be a huge bank roll profit for them. Can not see a reason why airline wouldn't snatch these up again.

Just dreaming people, don't get panties in a wad over it!  



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Video of the Meigs Field landing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=NV4tgjSPgks



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5720 posts, RR: 11
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Back on topic, lol:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Simply impressive to see how fast planes can stop when they really want to and max breaking is used.

Keep in mind, it was utterly empty.

Quoting william (Reply 8):
Fly enough, and one will experience a landing like that. I know I have.

Not really. As a passenger, you're ~never~ going to experience a landing like a completely empty plane with no fuel, even if you're the only passenger onboard an aircraft fitted out with cabin furnishings.

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 10):
I believe they demonstrated 700ft-ish landing rolls during testing.

I'd have to see some hard data to believe that number. A 727 simply cannot operate in the same distances as a Cessna 410!

Quoting 4holer (Reply 14):
I've seen that and it's indeed impressive but in a different way. The quickness of the decelleration with the 727 was what I meant.

Indeed, it was impressive!

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 18):
N492FE

Aye, a beautiful ex-Braniff ultra red bird. She looked better as a Braniff jet!


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Another good video of the Merrill Field landing, with ATC communication:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06RGK89pyNU



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User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 52
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3519 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 29):
I'd have to see some hard data to believe that number. A 727 simply cannot operate in the same distances as a Cessna 410!

I just finished reading the book "Loud and Clear" (Serling) which discussed demonstrated 1000 ft ground rolls. The 700ish comes from the web as a supposed quote from the book building the impossible plane (which I have not read).

Keep in mind these test were during development and they were probably pushing the envelope. Most operators later stipulated that you not use the 40 degree flap setting (or was it 50 degree - well it was the last step in flap deployment). This was after a series of crashes in the 727 about a year after EIS - generally attributed to getting into high sink rate situations by pilots transitioning from prop to jet. Those crashes were not purely the 727's fault - there were lots of issues with airport landing aids as well.
I don't have the book anymore - it was a library "ebook" and I checked it back in.



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User currently offlineairbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Hey I landed a Fokker 70 fully loaded on 27L at heathrow and got off at S4, that's about 3000 ft. So I'm sure the 727 being empty can get down and stopped in no time.

Nice video and love the meigs one too!



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

AS used to fly the 737-200 in revenue service to Dutch Harbor, and that runway was only 3,900 feet, don't think they ever flew the 727-100 there but it could have been done.


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

DC-8 takeoff after landing at the wrong (3,200') airfield at Da Nang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bvK6enoQDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mId1WK6sYuk

Gotta love the Stewardess uniforms.

[Edited 2013-03-02 07:01:41]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24629 posts, RR: 22
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 34):
DC-8 takeoff after landing at the wrong (3,200') airfield at Da Nang

I think the runway was longer than 3,200 feet. That number is mentioned in some sources re that incident but other sources refer to something between 4,000 and 5,000 ft. and if you look at the Google maps image of the remnants of that airfield it appears at least 1,000 feet longer than 3,200 feet. Even so it was still short for a fully-loaded DC-8-63.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 35):

I think the runway was longer than 3,200 feet. That number is mentioned in some sources re that incident but other sources refer to something between 4,000 and 5,000 ft. and if you look at the Google maps image of the remnants of that airfield it appears at least 1,000 feet longer than 3,200 feet. Even so it was still short for a fully-loaded DC-8-63.

Thanks; I was just going off of the commentary in the video. Pretty impressive takeoff nonetheless.



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