Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
PIT Update Thread Part 25  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13885 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Please continue the discussion here if desired.

Previous thead: PIT Update Thread #24 (by srbmod Sep 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

205 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13796 times:

The PIT-JFK route ends today

[Edited 2013-02-27 14:35:29]

User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13791 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 1):
Te PIT-JFK route ends today

That is on B6. Correct?


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13780 times:

Quoting dabpit (Reply 2):

Yes


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3023 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13696 times:

A few months ago we had discussion about previous Concorde charter(s) at PIT. I have nothing else to add to that discussion, however I came across this photo I wanted to share:

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/SCAN0001_zpsc8ee6cde.jpg
Photo: Osprey Civil Aircraft/Christopher Orlebar



FLYi
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9103 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13626 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):

Coolness! Thanks for sharing!

By the way, regarding the whole thing with AA and US possibly merging and the new airline having some 60 daily flights, I doubt that would last too long. Would the newly merged entity want to operate a minimum of 18 flights or so to New York (JFK and LGA)? I'm thinking PIT-New York will be right-sized. We might see 5x daily to each. LGA might have either more frequencies or larger aircraft since most of the New York bound PIT flyers use LGA, but that's my 2cents.



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3023 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13609 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):
Would the newly merged entity want to operate a minimum of 18 flights or so to New York (JFK and LGA)? I'm thinking PIT-New York will be right-sized.

AA only serves JFK, once a day, and US Airways to LGA 7x daily. So I don't see much downsizing here at all. If anything perhaps a second JFK flight could be added.

Also remember AA is adding a 5th DFW, and 7th ORD. Interestingly, United will now also be adding a 7th ORD frequency as well according to Enilria's OAG thread, and DL a 7th DTW as well.



FLYi
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3023 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13544 times:

No surprise here:
"$500M drilling deal for Pittsburgh airport riles nearby residents"
http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/3...irport-county-rights#axzz2M4HQxYOM


"Dynamics of drilling are nothing new for airports"
http://www.timesonline.com/special_s...4-f5b6-5861-8b78-12d4121da2a1.html

"Budget cuts won't ground Spirit Airlines at Latrobe"
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...s-wont-ground-spirit.html?page=all



FLYi
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13537 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):
By the way, regarding the whole thing with AA and US possibly merging and the new airline having some 60 daily flights, I doubt that would last too long. Would the newly merged entity want to operate a minimum of 18 flights or so to New York (JFK and LGA)? I'm thinking PIT-New York will be right-sized. We might see 5x daily to each. LGA might have either more frequencies or larger aircraft since most of the New York bound PIT flyers use LGA, but that's my 2cents.

Why would you right-size what clearly is underservice? AA has only flown 1x daily JFK service for a while now, LGA is a US stronghold from here. None of the routes overlap--US has no service to ORD, DFW or MIA to speak up from here. I can however, see AA keeping their own station for a while and US staying seperate too for a while longer. As it is, AA can add no more mainline flights and keep it an American Eagle station. Five is the maximum mainline flights allowed for an Eagle station per their AA contract.



It's a Great Day for Hockey!
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9103 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13382 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 8):
Why would you right-size what clearly is underservice? AA has only flown 1x daily JFK service for a while now, LGA is a US stronghold from here. None of the routes overlap--US has no service to ORD, DFW or MIA to speak up from here. I can however, see AA keeping their own station for a while and US staying seperate too for a while longer. As it is, AA can add no more mainline flights and keep it an American Eagle station. Five is the maximum mainline flights allowed for an Eagle station per their AA contract.

Yeah,, someone beat me to that already. When is that fakockta AA contract going to be null and void? Even if/when AA and US merge it will be rendered as one massive Eagle station (massive in that it will become a 60-op AA airport)? That kinda sucks... Then again, as you say, they could remain as seperate entities for a little while...



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3023 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13144 times:

PeoplExpress update, for what its worth:

"We are in the final days of the process," Morisi said, referring to the purchase of the charter airline."

"Newport News and the Pittsburgh airport are in the running to be the corporate headquarters for People Express, which, if successful, would create about 1,000 jobs, Morisi has said "

http://www.dailypress.com/news/newpo...extension-20130301,0,4957916.story



FLYi
User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 512 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13049 times:

With US ops more than likely moving out of Pittsburgh, I know of a few buildings that will become available in a few years here for PE. The new ops center is a REALLY REALLY nice facility if you haven't been there.


Commercial Pilot- SEL, MEL, Instrument
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9103 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13001 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 10):

I guess that's pretty much the gist of the article? Unfortunately you need a subscription to view this article. As I've said all along, not holding my breath here...

In any event, if US and AA do merge, I really hope that renders AA's eagle contract null and void. For the airline to have 60-65 flights a day with 90 percent of them on eagle equipment would be silly. Not to mention, it would be a slap in the face to the local US FF members who will likely be transfered over to AAdvantage. I'm guessing there are still quite a few of those still around. Just my 2cents.



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1962 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 12856 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 12):
For the airline to have 60-65 flights a day with 90 percent of them on eagle equipment would be silly. Not to mention, it would be a slap in the face to the local US FF members who will likely be transfered over to AAdvantage.

If passengers demand frequency, then they will get RJs. If AA can reduce frequency and put mainline equipment on the route, they will likely do so. To characterize a decision like that as an insult is patently absurd. Then again, hyperbole like that is why I rarely venture into PIT related topics, or A.net as a whole very often anymore.


User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12791 times:

This is old but I thought it was intresting enough to share..

http://avherald.com/h?article=443c635b&opt=0


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9103 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 13):
To characterize a decision like that as an insult is patently absurd.

With AA, tho, I don't think demand has anything to do with it. PIT-MIA has more O&D traffic on it than PIT-BWI. Yet, PIT-BWI is served with a few daily 737s, while PIT-MIA is served with 2x daily E45s. AA has a contract to maintain PIT as an Eagle (or RJ) base. They have a maximum of 5 mainline jets allowed. All I am saying is I hope this contract goes away once the merger with US goes through. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense, at least to me anyway.

Then again, do the PIT travelers prefer higher frequency over higher capacity? I guess it depends on the route...



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12581 times:

WN will start daily PIT-BNA on 9/29.

User currently offlinejfk69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12538 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):

By the way, regarding the whole thing with AA and US possibly merging and the new airline having some 60 daily flights, I doubt that would last too long. Would the newly merged entity want to operate a minimum of 18 flights or so to New York (JFK and LGA)? I'm thinking PIT-New York will be right-sized. We might see 5x daily to each. LGA might have either more frequencies or larger aircraft since most of the New York bound PIT flyers use LGA, but that's my 2cents.

B6 is absolutely missed already as DL has flights in the $600 range. Such a shame B6 could not make it.


User currently offlinetooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 12514 times:

Am I reading correctly that FL will be down to three r/t's in the fall? I know they are shifting the connecting traffic away (and that must help justify the BNA flight) but that is a big drop from their peak.

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9103 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12412 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 16):
WN will start daily PIT-BNA on 9/29.

I saw the article in the PG. Did I read that correctly that they only have 13 daily flights to 7 destinations? They fly to MDW, LAS, PHX, BWI, MCO, DEN, and TPA. So it looks like they're only averaging 2 flights to each.

For March 11, this is what I am looking at courtesy of WN's website:

MDW 5x
BWI 4x
LAS 2x
PHX 1x
MCO 2x (WN only)
TPA 2x (WN only)
DEN 1x

That's 17 just on WN metal. The HOU and BNA flights will make it 19 just on WN metal.

I remember when AA used to have PIT-BNA service. My mom flew that route on an AA puddle jumper back when I was about 7.



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 357 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12388 times:

Doesn't WN do PBI too?


www.TarmacPhotos.com
User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12372 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 19):
For March 11, this is what I am looking at courtesy of WN's website:

MDW 5x
BWI 4x
LAS 2x
PHX 1x
MCO 2x (WN only)
TPA 2x (WN only)
DEN 1x

That's 17 just on WN metal. The HOU and BNA flights will make it 19 just on WN metal.
Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 20):

Doesn't WN do PBI too?

Yes, 1x Daily. However it looks like it ends for the season on 4/13.

Combining the WN/FL network. A average of 31 flights to 13 different markets (Including HOU and BNA and PBI). That will surpass DL on most cities served when FL/WN goes to all WN metal.


User currently offlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

Nice to see more growth from WN. Nashville is a fun town, and the new service makes it much more conductive for me to get away for a weekend if I want.

Any guesses as to their next new market from PIT? My thoughts are that it's likely to be one of MCI or STL. I also wonder if they could make weekend service to MSY work.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9103 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12322 times:

Yeah, I didn't include the seasonal services; I just included the city pairs that are available year-round. As for which cities might be next for PIT on WN, I guess MCI and/or STL would be next. I'd like to see IND, but I think that's a bit of a stretch, along with SAN or SEA.

DL is growing SEA, aren't they? If they, by chance, were to add SEA-PIT, that would be pretty much a p2p route, wouldn't it?

Looking at Faremeasure.com, now that PIT-BNA has 1x daily and that it has less daily O&D (143) than SAN (262) and SEA (263), I wonder if a pitch could be made for either one of those.



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3023 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

Isn't it amazing what lower landing fees (via the new incentive program) will do wrt getting a new destinaltion or two? This is a route that Southwest could have added at least 5 years ago.


FLYi
25 Post contains images USPIT10L : I would like to keep my job, Steeler83. Even if they keep US mainline people upstairs, the ramp will likely be Eagle anyway. US is not happy with Jet
26 Post contains links PITrules : Post-Gazette updated its article: "Mr. Fitzgerald said that Southwest also is considering adding more service and more cities to its network from Pitt
27 steeler83 : I'd like to see DL give it another shot on PIT-BOS, only this time NOT use 50-seater tuna cans! CR7s or E70/75s would do just fine... The combined ca
28 southwest737500 : I totally agree with you. B6 will end PIT very soon I think this 4 daily BOS is going to be a disaster. If DL comes in B6 is gone
29 steeler83 : DL did PIT-BOS before, but they failed. They had abysmal market share and a subpar product (3x daily cr200). I'm thinking B6 will go away before DL g
30 pit : I dont understand why everyone on this thread has no faith in B6 and there PIT operations. No one has seen the numbers.. Now that JFK is out of the w
31 JetBlue1058 : Firstly to start off im a new guy to airliners.net but I have read these PIT posts for years now and enjoy them. Im from PIT and live and breath for t
32 Post contains images steeler83 : Hey, thanks! Welcome to the discussion. In any event, this should be interesting indeed. I wonder which route this could be. I know PIT-MCO is going
33 Post contains images JetBlue1058 : I think that one idea might be JAX. The reason why is it has offered incentives by PIT since it was popular in that servey thingy of new routes. JAX h
34 silentbob : While WN doesn't have any official "hubs" BNA serves as a major connection point in their network. WN has tried to avoid adding near transcon flights
35 crj900lr : Don't forget about Piedmont possibly coming to PIT to do the below wing work.
36 PITrules : I don't get it either. -If they were to discontinue BOS they certainly wouldn't be adding to the service like they have been. -They outlasted Delta.
37 Post contains links PITrules : A few observations about the upcoming resumption of PIT-CDG: -25 corporations have contracts for the flight. -25% of tickets sold for the flight were
38 southwest737500 : PIT isn't that attractive to LCC beacuse of ther gate fees. JAX is a different story there attractive because fees are way lower and JAX is a better
39 JetBlue1058 : When you say it's not attractive did you see the nice incentives package the airport put out to carries. Although I think FLL is probably the most lik
40 Post contains links Cush : Dumb article in the PG about a canceled flight for NK at LBE. Must have been a very slow news day. haha. http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...led-be
41 tarmacphotos : Sounds like another reason not to fly out of a small airport with no other options in the case of mx issues. At PIT, you more than likely could have
42 Post contains links PITrules : "Ms. Witting was upset because she said Spirit refused to provide passengers with food vouchers while they waited in the terminal. At one point, she s
43 USPIT10L : Pretty sad when the carrier issues you a voucher worth more than the price or cost of the ticket. This could happen on a legacy carrier too. Think ab
44 dabpit : Only a few seats are sold at $9 but most seat were sold over $120 not including extra fees they had to pay.
45 Post contains links PITrules : "Without JetBlue, fares from Pittsburgh to New York City go sky high" http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-new-york-city-go-sky-high-678202/ Good r
46 USPIT10L : Another useless article. Did anyone ever see any B6 advertising around here when they flew PITJFK? We're airline people; we know when someone flies h
47 PITrules : Personally I think advertising is one of the most overrated things in the airline business. People book their tickets online, and JetBlue's name pops
48 tarmacphotos : I don't really fly to New York, but I do like the B6 product. Whenever I book a flight anywhere, I have always wanted to give B6 a shot, but always fo
49 kpitrrat : To me it seems like everyone is acting like these B6 JFK flights were leaving empty. From what I understand that is far from the truth. I understand B
50 southwest737500 : I think 4X is way to much for BOS, lets be real here, 2X or 3X is a good amount
51 mesaflyguy : Do keep inmind that, in order to get most of those $9 fares, you need to be a paid member of the $9 fare club, so who knows how many people actually
52 PITrules : That's what I understood as well, as far as the loads were concerned. What I don't understand is, before totally giving up on a route, since they kno
53 steeler83 : Likewise. I am happy to see any airline taking market share from US Airways. I live near PHL and even out here my wife and I don't give them any of o
54 tarmacphotos : Every time I've flown recently US has been the same or beat the other legacies and WN in fare. Maybe in PHL where US has a fortress hub their fares a
55 silentbob : Wait, you can't say anything marginally positive about US in a PIT topic. Logic will not be tolerated in here.
56 mesaflyguy : Why is that? I'm not criticizing you or saying you're wrong, I'm just always curious to see why people don't like airlines. In the 14-15 flights I've
57 PITrules : US will match other airlines in markets they compete, but I'm not sure how fares are not high from PIT to other markets such as PHL, DCA, and LGA. An
58 Post contains images USPIT10L : Because they have the majority of FFs here and that has not changed. UA does have some significant corporate contracts, but US still carries the majo
59 JetBlue1058 : Like othes have said, US airways still has a TON of PIT loyalty when in reality nobody here realizes that US have gone from 550 flights to now 42. Als
60 tarmacphotos : I'm pretty sure most people know PIT is not a US hub anymore. The fact is they still offer more flights out of PIT than any other carrier. They also
61 steeler83 : Because the flights that are as cheap as WN was offering were either at 6 am or rather late in the evening. If you wanted to fly out later in the day
62 tarmacphotos : That is untrue. I fly US a lot and always get a window seat. The fare is set before you pick your seat. Only the first few rows of the aircraft and t
63 atct : Im sorry. I flew them ANC-PHX-MCO and return on UA miles, first class. Other than a big front seat, nothing to write ho,e about. Not even a plug for
64 pit : Just because a flight is going out full, doesn't mean its making money. On a route like PIT-NYC where five different airlines fly the same route, its
65 Post contains links and images PITrules : The remaining airlines on the route had no problem raising fares 6 fold. It was JetBlue who came in and slashed fares, causing others to follow. Agai
66 mesaflyguy : FYI I believe that 75 belongs to google.
67 Post contains images tarmacphotos : Its Ron Burkle's 757. He owns the Pens. Here it is on short final today:
68 Post contains images mesaflyguy : That must've ended a while ago because it doesn't happen anymore. Thanks for the correction! I take your word for what you are saying, as they are YO
69 flightsimer : He does not own the pens, just a portion. Mario Lemieux is the majority owner.
70 tarmacphotos : Co-owner. I stand corrected. Thanks!
71 JetBlue1058 : Does anybody here spot/work at the airport? (PIT)
72 tarmacphotos : I do, and quite a few other posters do as well. What's up?
73 Flaps : That 75 has always been a frequent visitor to PIT. I guess now we know why.
74 Post contains links PITrules : "Pentagon to announce decision on 911th on Wednesday" http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...sion-on-911th-on-wednesday-678850/
75 flightsimer : lets hope for good news!
76 tarmacphotos : We need some good news at PIT for once.
77 Post contains links and images PITrules : Anyone know what this diversion was about: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA2601 View Large View MediumPhoto © Sean Norman It sure would be nice
78 kkephart13 : Im guessing that 767 is the Boston Bruins, as they played in Ottawa last night.... I wouldnt even mind seeing WestJet Encore in PIT...
79 PITrules : Encore (after they expand into eastern Canada) is the most likely avenue for WestJet to add PIT if that ever happens.
80 Post contains links PITrules : "911th to stay open at least until 2014, Rep. Murphy and Sen. Casey announce" http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-open-rep-murphy-announces-679082
81 tarmacphotos : Great news about the 911th! Those 1500 employees are not all related to the C-130 flying mission though. There are many squadrons at the base that do
82 PITrules : Excellent points. I hope the 911th is as efficient as the politicians say it is allowing the unit to remain active for the long term.
83 tarmacphotos : Me too. What I think would make sense would be to combine the 171st and 911th bases. I think there are definite duplications of services. The Air For
84 Post contains links PITrules : I believe they are removing the foundation work and sewer lines from the old terminal to make way for more corporate hangars and another office build
85 Post contains links PITrules : "Airport officials fear airline merger could cost jobs at Pittsburgh International" http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/3...davin-authority-jobs#axzz2N
86 Post contains links Cush : Cool little article about Arnold Palmer Airport (LBE). http://www.ConcourseA.com/latrobe-airport-lbe/
87 NWADC9 : Speaking of the 911th, spotted a C-17 over there Friday afternoon. What's that all about?
88 PITrules : Thanks for the link; one other unique gem about LBE is what might be the last outside observation deck in America?
89 tarmacphotos : Good article about the LBE experience, but it re-affirms LBE is somewhere I would not want to fly out of. From the article: "I hate the big overbeari
90 Cush : @tarmacphotos: I understand what you are saying. It all comes down to this. Are you traveling to Myrtle Beach, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, or Dallas? If
91 tarmacphotos : So is it LBE you like or Spirit? What if the Spirit operation was at PIT? Would you still support it? My problem is LBE is so out of the way and hard
92 PITrules : The nice thing about LBE is that in the amount of time it takes to walk from the end of one of PIT's concourses to the core, you could be back in you
93 Cush : @PITRules: I agree with everything you said. I live about 15 minutes from PIT and about 2 weeks ago I had the pleasure of having 1 trip out of LBE and
94 Flaps : Security at PIT can be a real pain. I've frequently seen 30-45 minutes waits on Sunday afternoons even using the priority lanes. Although the pre 9/11
95 tarmacphotos : US does not have employees checking boarding passes for the first class line anymore, and TSA is not allowed to discriminate based on class. Just walk
96 YNGguins : YNG draws a decent amount of their traffic from along 376 and 79 in Mercer, Lawrence, and Beaver Counties and even down into northern Allegheny. One d
97 steeler83 : I wonder if the newer folks calling PIT their home labor under this delusion. I'm hopeful this is not the case. To be honest, I wonder why so many fo
98 JetBlue1058 : How about instead of complaining about a dead PIT, support the airport and travel out of it more. I don't understand how people can stand spirits crap
99 tarmacphotos : What delusion? The facts are US has more flights than any carrier out of our region. Period. Now add the AA destinations and you have even more. Woul
100 steeler83 : That US is still "king" at PIT. THey may still offer more flights than any other carrier, but I wouldn't be one to call the margin between them and W
101 flightsimer : It's quite possible that more people use YNG from PIT's catchment area than YNG's own. Though in my opinion, living just 4 miles south of the Beaver
102 tarmacphotos : Who would you say is "king" at PIT then? FF clubs do develop loyalty. Why wouldn't you want to be a member of the FF club that offers the most flight
103 YNGguins : The I-77 corridor in OH (CLE-CAK) is close, but it does not surpass the YNG catchment. PIT isn't far behind the CLE-CAK catchment though. The positio
104 Post contains links PITrules : There is not one airline that is 'king' at PIT. US/AA will offer service to 12 markets (I considered LGA and JFK the same), Delta and United to 8, and
105 tarmacphotos : I agree totally. I said if someone steps up and invests in PIT on new markets like this and the DL CDG flight, they should be supported. If US came i
106 PITrules : But the thing is, it isn't US Airways who is coming in; they've been in the market for 5 decades. Its the low cost competition which resulted in a $5
107 steeler83 : PITrules, thank you for chiming in. I was trying to say what you posted, but apparently had a hard time finding the words. I also agree that no "singl
108 dabpit : I chose to fly DL out of PIT because they offer the best flights to the destinations I need to go to. My fall back airline is B6. I had a lot of miles
109 Post contains images pit : Dont be supprised if you see a thrid airline at DAB in the near future
110 dabpit : I am aware of B6. The announcement will be made soon if DAB will be on their map but a few people at B6 are very optimistic.
111 southwest737500 : I think he's trying to say that it's more convient to fly out of LBE, you save way more money its more convient. Btw I don't think it's right that yo
112 JetBlue1058 : Southwest737500: Have u even been to Pittsburgh airport? Or do have you read any of this forum? Earlier others dissucced this topic and how at PIT the
113 Post contains links PITrules : "Development in high gear at Pittsburgh International Airport site" http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...international-airport-site-680409/
114 tarmacphotos : I didn't realize ACAA owns the land all the way on the other side of business 376?
115 Post contains links PITrules : They have quite a bit of land extending along the 28L/C and 32 final approach courses, up to a mile out. http://vision.mindmatrix.net/knowlet...378&am
116 Post contains images southwest737500 : Yeah I've been here a lot actually flown in there more times than you
117 tarmacphotos : Yea, they should allow only aviation related development on the property on the airport side of the highways and use the property on the other side o
118 southwest737500 : Oh yeah, please correct that, I've never hated AA! I just didn't like Tom Horton. So don't come on anet making fake accusations!
119 PITrules : Primarily Dicks Sporting Goods, and the Airside Business Park (the non-aviation part such as offices for Baker Corp). All of that could have gone on
120 tarmacphotos : At least Dick's built a hangar to go with their HQ building. They have a small air force including a G650 on order, so they get a pass from me! I agre
121 Post contains links PITrules : Chief Exec Fitzy continues to search for every opportunity to divert airport revenue away from the airport: "Past discussion proposed extending a line
122 steeler83 : Yeah, I'm with you there. The ACAA should just use the bulk of the cash and pay off the airport debt sooner rather than later. One, it's the sensible
123 flightsimer : Isn't there also at least one office building by the Dick's location that is not owned by Dick's? Im thinking its on the B-376 side of the road that
124 tarmacphotos : Does anyone really use the "T" here? There is a "T" stop near my house, and for the first time I thought it would be a good idea for my friends and I
125 PITrules : I'm really not aware of anything in that immediate area other than Dicks Sporting Goods. Dicks is however planning on a major expansion of their alre
126 kpitrrat : Yea same here. As far as I know there are 3 buildings there. 2 of the Dicks office buildings and the hangar. I was wondering, does anyone know what s
127 Post contains links and images PITrules : Regarding light rail, there was a very detailed study some years ago about a multi-modal corridor between downtown and the airport. I can't remember i
128 jetblue1058 : Where do people spot at PIT? I spot on a hill close to the end of 10L which has great views for rotation shots for planes taking off on 28R
129 AGCPilot : I have been following this PIT thread for a while. Finally decided to jump in. It is a bit more difficult now then it used to be. When 32 was used hea
130 tooluther : Trib just ran a story on Sunday quoting Pittsburgh's Light Rail as having the 6th largest increase is ridership nationwide with 7.7 million riders in
131 atct : I lived in Library and rode the T frequently. If I was going into town, about 70% of the time I would ride the T. I think an airport-city run would wo
132 Post contains links tarmacphotos : For spotting guide check : http://tarmacphotos.com/PIT_Spotting_Guide.html I haven't updated it to include the Sweeney Drive location off of Clinton R
133 PITrules : That 10L spot is my favorite; when landing on 10L it doesn't get any better. The new bike trail makes access even better if you need to park at the t
134 Post contains links PITrules : "Marcellus Shale boom could restore link between Avoca airport, Pittsburgh" http://citizensvoice.com/news/marcel...avoca-airport-pittsburgh-1.1462922
135 steeler83 : Hey tarmac, I know we've gotten into a bit of an argument lately about airlines and their services, but I'm actually somewhat on-board with you here.
136 tarmacphotos : I think it was a weekend where there were multiple events on the North Shore and the first event after the new station was open. I think people don't
137 tarmacphotos : Which spot are you talking about?
138 Post contains links and images PITrules : The area of Clinton Rd that goes right past the 10L threshold. There's a couple elevated bluffs which offer views down the runway. Here's a few examp
139 tarmacphotos : That road is closed now. Where do you get on that trail? I'd like to check that out on foot one day the 10's are in use. As I said earlier there is a
140 Post contains links PITrules : You can access it straight from the airport parking lot or Clinton Rd. The second link I posted has a pretty good map. Its a much closer location tha
141 flightsimer : The last time I was up in that area and was actually pulled off the road to watch was a long long long time ago. And when I was there it was always a
142 PITrules : The area was pretty broad; you could position yourself to be directly under the flight path or move more to the south allowing for side views.
143 tarmacphotos : Any of those spots would be backlit for photography though. It is much better to go across B-376 and spot 28R arrivals in the Airside Business Park p
144 Post contains links PITrules : The building was built by US Airways on land owned and leased from the ACAA. The article I linked above has since been updated and expanded: "To win
145 steeler83 : I disagree... Horse and buggy would be faster! I never understood why in the hell the T is slower than a walking pace. I've seen a few recent article
146 Post contains links PITrules : "US Airways offers severance to 300 nonunion workers at flight operations center in Moon" http://triblive.com/business/headlin...airways-jobs-workers#
147 tarmacphotos : I guess you can't blame them for picking the ops center at DFW, but they should have to repay the government subsidies to the taxpayers here since th
148 tooluther : Apparently (and I would like to see this confirmed by the state) the subsidies accepted were WAY less than originally decided. From the Trib today: T
149 Post contains links PITrules : The more I look at this, I think Pittsburgh is actually coming out ahead in this deal: "When US Airways built the operations control center in Moon To
150 tarmacphotos : Well I checked this location out Saturday afternoon. I parked in the extended term parking lot where there are signs directing you to the trail entra
151 tooluther : PIT logistics question for the experts: I've never been through customs at PIT, but I am thinking about taking the CDG flight in August. I am trying t
152 Post contains links PITrules : When he checks his luggage at CDG, I would think he should be able to interline his luggage from Delta through to United or Southwest via PIT. Altern
153 tarmacphotos : Even if you had a connecting flight in PIT, you will still need to clear customs with your baggage first. International arrivals can not have bags che
154 Post contains links GSP psgr : American announces new service on the Pittsburgh-Los Angeles route: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...tinations-this-year-202326051.html I wonder
155 Post contains links tooluther : Business Times incorrectly reporting this as the only service PIT-LAX non-stop. http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...h-los-angeles-nonstop-flights.h
156 Post contains links PITrules : I don't see this as being an issue with the merger being wrapped up by then. The biz journal article has been updated to correct the omission of Unit
157 southwest737500 : UA route is going to probably drop that route soon
158 tarmacphotos : This should be moot as the New American won't have the same contract right?
159 PITrules : The flight is timed perfectly to connect to all of Qantas' nonstop destinations (SYD/MEL/BNE), both ways.
160 Post contains images steeler83 : Is there local demand for Australia? In any event, great to see someone coming in to fill in the PIT-LAX gap! I wish them all the success in the worl
161 PITrules : Not a large amount by any means. Maybe ~30-35 PDEW. ALCOA does have a huge facility in Perth. If AA can grab a greater chunk of this traffic then it
162 steeler83 : Yeah, I didn't think there'd be a whole lot. Still, should help the overall viability of PIT-LAX nonetheless. I'm willing to bet that those Alcoa wor
163 USPIT10L : Incorrect, the flight will be made with Republic 175s. Look at aa.com for additional info. Everybody swears these are 738 routes, they are not. AE is
164 NWADC9 : So where are they refueling? PIT-LAX is just out of range for an E-175LR. Are they instead replacing Mad Dogs with 175s on the DFW route or changing
165 USPIT10L : They just say Republic aircraft, that probably implies 190s. I heard 175 from one of my co-workers.
166 NWADC9 : Sounds better. Still stretching the range, but still doable.
167 PITrules : ?? The flights are not even loaded on AA.com. Where are you seeing this? How is PIT an American Eagle station going forward? I assume you know they a
168 PITrules : Looks like United will try to defend their market share. United.com is now showing PIT-LAX to be 6x weekly next winter, up from 3-4x weekly last winte
169 tarmacphotos : What makes you think this 5 mainline flight maximum is going to exist with the New American? Will all of the CLT, PHX, and PHL flights be downgraded
170 steeler83 : I thought their press release said specifically that the new routes would be operated by a 737, and booking begins this Sunday. In any event, I'm with
171 PITrules : Keep in mind AMR is still in bankruptcy; whatever silly agreement there is with AE regarding station issues can be taken care of with a trip to the BK
172 Cush : I have some great news for everyone. I recently made a trip out to my families house and picked up my collection of airline photos from PIT (1998-Pres
173 Post contains images steeler83 : Um... define "old paint" and "new paint" in that context.
174 Post contains images USPIT10L : Right now, it doesn't matter what will happen going forward. Currently, American here is an American Eagle station, so the AMR rules apply. The maxim
175 dabpit : Can you post the link to AA where they state the service will be handled by republic?
176 USPIT10L : IINM, I saw in an email sent to my supervisor, so it was internal. AA has not loaded the skeds as of yet. Good to see UA attempting to fight, that he
177 primetimeDC9 : With US having atleast decent service to all of their hubs, and with the recently announced upgrading of ORD to 175s and the new LAX service, should w
178 USPIT10L : Maybe, but let's allow the financial part of the merger to clear first. I've heard AA may let the JFK feed die, and rely on local traffic to carry th
179 steeler83 : I'd be interested to see what happens to PIT-New York once this goes through, particularly PIT-LGA. That seems to be AA's domestic NYC station while
180 Post contains links and images PITrules : I'd love to see these. Perhaps its time to put the new gf to work scanning pics I agree its a better source coming straight from the airline. "Americ
181 USPIT10L : It's two daily flights on one E135 and one E145. One in the morning and one in the afternoon.
182 steeler83 : Still, that's only 100 seats each way. If anything I'd like to see E75s or E90s on here if no mainline is possible...
183 Post contains links PITrules : "Business park to grow at former Greater Pittsburgh International Airport terminal" http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...rnational-airport-terminal-
184 tarmacphotos : I hope UA keeps the route too. It will be nice to still have a west coast option to easily connect internationally with Star Alliance carriers. Also
185 tarmacphotos : Looks like AA updated their schedules to include the E175 as mentioned above. Looks like 7 daily PIT-ORD frequencies with 4 being served by Republic E
186 PITrules : Nice upgrade indeed. Interestingly, before the E175s show up two of the flights will be operated by AE CR7s, for a couple weeks only then they go awa
187 tarmacphotos : Great news! I don't know anything about Texas airports, and not much about WN ops so I was wondering is HOU more convenient for business travelers go
188 PITrules : I do believe this flight will offer a fair amount of connecting opportunities in addition to serving the increased O&D to Houston. HOU looks to b
189 tarmacphotos : Showing 738 service.
190 USPIT10L : What mixed me up was the emails regarding Republic beginning AA flying August 1st and the LAX flying being announced on the same day. AA has 5 daily
191 tarmacphotos : eh its all good
192 PITrules : No need for apologies, however I am still unsure about the reduction of DFW to 4x daily as a 'requirement' to fly the LAX flight. I would think that
193 Post contains images steeler83 : Hmmmm... Then, by that logic, we'll be up to 60 or 61 daily departures if/when the merger with US goes through, which would give us more than enough
194 jetblue1058 : Just spent the past hour checking the flights out of PIT on July 1st. My birthday and it goes as: SWA: 19 daily AirTran: 12 daily JetBlue: 4 daily Air
195 southwest737500 : HAHAHAHAHA
196 tarmacphotos : So which destination will you choose to spend your birthday?
197 jetblue1058 : Tarmacphotos, Somewhere involving JetBlue!
198 PITrules : What's the point post merger? PIT already is a mainline station for US, has been for about 75 years. As far as an AA station needing 20 flights for i
199 Post contains links PITrules : To add to this, here is a pretty good press release with details about connection opportunities: "The additional Houston Hobby service adds 20 connec
200 steeler83 : I guess what I'm getting at is it'll be nice to potentially see more AA mainline equipment instead of the occasional AA Eagle RJs... That, and people
201 PITrules : Agreed, but more AA mainline will happen by default post merger. Possibilities for AA... -upgauge MIA to perhaps 2x E175 -bring DFW back up to 5x dai
202 steeler83 : STL is a pretty solid business market for PIT travelers, is it not? I don't see why AA would want to give that up all together only to allow WN or so
203 PITrules : BDL, and RDU - another solid market; and one which has a large AA following.[Edited 2013-04-17 16:24:03]
204 steeler83 : That's what I thought. Is AA pretty strong at BDL or getting strong(er)? I know it was another market added from LAX. I'm thinking AA might hang on t
205 tarmacphotos : FYI there is a F-18E at AGC today. Looks like it will leave tomorrow.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
PIT Update Thread #23 (with Old Pics) posted Mon Sep 10 2012 20:23:49 by PITrules
PIT Update Thread #22 posted Fri Jan 13 2012 15:57:55 by PITrules
PIT Update Thread #21 posted Tue Nov 29 2011 02:42:26 by PITrules
Indian Aviation Thread: Part 25 posted Tue Jul 25 2006 20:32:52 by LAXDESI
Finnish Aviation Thread - Part? posted Tue Feb 19 2013 04:47:00 by ilari
New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 124 posted Sun Feb 10 2013 21:52:16 by 777ER
Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 5 posted Sat Feb 2 2013 09:25:11 by iowaman
A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 7 posted Mon Jan 21 2013 13:35:01 by Luxair747SP
SFO Aviation Thread Part 2 posted Sat Jan 19 2013 08:44:14 by iowaman
787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13 posted Mon Jan 14 2013 13:08:53 by iowaman
PIT Update Thread 27 posted Mon Aug 5 2013 12:42:58 by PITrules
PIT Update Thread 28 posted Mon Jan 13 2014 11:48:47 by PITrules
787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 25 posted Thu Jan 2 2014 09:03:45 by iowaman
PIT Update Thread 27 posted Mon Aug 5 2013 12:42:58 by PITrules
PIT Update Thread 26 posted Thu Apr 18 2013 02:04:19 by PITrules
PIT Update Thread #24 posted Thu Sep 13 2012 13:27:21 by srbmod
PIT Update Thread #23 (with Old Pics) posted Mon Sep 10 2012 20:23:49 by PITrules
PIT Update Thread #22 posted Fri Jan 13 2012 15:57:55 by PITrules
PIT Update Thread #21 posted Tue Nov 29 2011 02:42:26 by PITrules
Indian Aviation Thread: Part 25 posted Tue Jul 25 2006 20:32:52 by LAXDESI
A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 15 posted Wed Mar 26 2014 09:28:10 by SA7700