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PIT Update Thread Part 25  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14586 times:
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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14497 times:

The PIT-JFK route ends today

[Edited 2013-02-27 14:35:29]

User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14492 times:
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Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 1):
Te PIT-JFK route ends today

That is on B6. Correct?



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14481 times:

Quoting dabpit (Reply 2):

Yes


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14397 times:

A few months ago we had discussion about previous Concorde charter(s) at PIT. I have nothing else to add to that discussion, however I came across this photo I wanted to share:

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/SCAN0001_zpsc8ee6cde.jpg
Photo: Osprey Civil Aircraft/Christopher Orlebar



FLYi
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14327 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):

Coolness! Thanks for sharing!

By the way, regarding the whole thing with AA and US possibly merging and the new airline having some 60 daily flights, I doubt that would last too long. Would the newly merged entity want to operate a minimum of 18 flights or so to New York (JFK and LGA)? I'm thinking PIT-New York will be right-sized. We might see 5x daily to each. LGA might have either more frequencies or larger aircraft since most of the New York bound PIT flyers use LGA, but that's my 2cents.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14310 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):
Would the newly merged entity want to operate a minimum of 18 flights or so to New York (JFK and LGA)? I'm thinking PIT-New York will be right-sized.

AA only serves JFK, once a day, and US Airways to LGA 7x daily. So I don't see much downsizing here at all. If anything perhaps a second JFK flight could be added.

Also remember AA is adding a 5th DFW, and 7th ORD. Interestingly, United will now also be adding a 7th ORD frequency as well according to Enilria's OAG thread, and DL a 7th DTW as well.



FLYi
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14245 times:

No surprise here:
"$500M drilling deal for Pittsburgh airport riles nearby residents"
http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/3...irport-county-rights#axzz2M4HQxYOM


"Dynamics of drilling are nothing new for airports"
http://www.timesonline.com/special_s...4-f5b6-5861-8b78-12d4121da2a1.html

"Budget cuts won't ground Spirit Airlines at Latrobe"
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...s-wont-ground-spirit.html?page=all



FLYi
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14238 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):
By the way, regarding the whole thing with AA and US possibly merging and the new airline having some 60 daily flights, I doubt that would last too long. Would the newly merged entity want to operate a minimum of 18 flights or so to New York (JFK and LGA)? I'm thinking PIT-New York will be right-sized. We might see 5x daily to each. LGA might have either more frequencies or larger aircraft since most of the New York bound PIT flyers use LGA, but that's my 2cents.

Why would you right-size what clearly is underservice? AA has only flown 1x daily JFK service for a while now, LGA is a US stronghold from here. None of the routes overlap--US has no service to ORD, DFW or MIA to speak up from here. I can however, see AA keeping their own station for a while and US staying seperate too for a while longer. As it is, AA can add no more mainline flights and keep it an American Eagle station. Five is the maximum mainline flights allowed for an Eagle station per their AA contract.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14083 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 8):
Why would you right-size what clearly is underservice? AA has only flown 1x daily JFK service for a while now, LGA is a US stronghold from here. None of the routes overlap--US has no service to ORD, DFW or MIA to speak up from here. I can however, see AA keeping their own station for a while and US staying seperate too for a while longer. As it is, AA can add no more mainline flights and keep it an American Eagle station. Five is the maximum mainline flights allowed for an Eagle station per their AA contract.

Yeah,, someone beat me to that already. When is that fakockta AA contract going to be null and void? Even if/when AA and US merge it will be rendered as one massive Eagle station (massive in that it will become a 60-op AA airport)? That kinda sucks... Then again, as you say, they could remain as seperate entities for a little while...



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13845 times:

PeoplExpress update, for what its worth:

"We are in the final days of the process," Morisi said, referring to the purchase of the charter airline."

"Newport News and the Pittsburgh airport are in the running to be the corporate headquarters for People Express, which, if successful, would create about 1,000 jobs, Morisi has said "

http://www.dailypress.com/news/newpo...extension-20130301,0,4957916.story



FLYi
User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13750 times:

With US ops more than likely moving out of Pittsburgh, I know of a few buildings that will become available in a few years here for PE. The new ops center is a REALLY REALLY nice facility if you haven't been there.


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13702 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 10):

I guess that's pretty much the gist of the article? Unfortunately you need a subscription to view this article. As I've said all along, not holding my breath here...

In any event, if US and AA do merge, I really hope that renders AA's eagle contract null and void. For the airline to have 60-65 flights a day with 90 percent of them on eagle equipment would be silly. Not to mention, it would be a slap in the face to the local US FF members who will likely be transfered over to AAdvantage. I'm guessing there are still quite a few of those still around. Just my 2cents.



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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13557 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 12):
For the airline to have 60-65 flights a day with 90 percent of them on eagle equipment would be silly. Not to mention, it would be a slap in the face to the local US FF members who will likely be transfered over to AAdvantage.

If passengers demand frequency, then they will get RJs. If AA can reduce frequency and put mainline equipment on the route, they will likely do so. To characterize a decision like that as an insult is patently absurd. Then again, hyperbole like that is why I rarely venture into PIT related topics, or A.net as a whole very often anymore.


User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 13492 times:

This is old but I thought it was intresting enough to share..

http://avherald.com/h?article=443c635b&opt=0


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13443 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 13):
To characterize a decision like that as an insult is patently absurd.

With AA, tho, I don't think demand has anything to do with it. PIT-MIA has more O&D traffic on it than PIT-BWI. Yet, PIT-BWI is served with a few daily 737s, while PIT-MIA is served with 2x daily E45s. AA has a contract to maintain PIT as an Eagle (or RJ) base. They have a maximum of 5 mainline jets allowed. All I am saying is I hope this contract goes away once the merger with US goes through. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense, at least to me anyway.

Then again, do the PIT travelers prefer higher frequency over higher capacity? I guess it depends on the route...



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13282 times:

WN will start daily PIT-BNA on 9/29.

User currently offlinejfk69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13239 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):

By the way, regarding the whole thing with AA and US possibly merging and the new airline having some 60 daily flights, I doubt that would last too long. Would the newly merged entity want to operate a minimum of 18 flights or so to New York (JFK and LGA)? I'm thinking PIT-New York will be right-sized. We might see 5x daily to each. LGA might have either more frequencies or larger aircraft since most of the New York bound PIT flyers use LGA, but that's my 2cents.

B6 is absolutely missed already as DL has flights in the $600 range. Such a shame B6 could not make it.


User currently offlinetooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13215 times:

Am I reading correctly that FL will be down to three r/t's in the fall? I know they are shifting the connecting traffic away (and that must help justify the BNA flight) but that is a big drop from their peak.

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13113 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 16):
WN will start daily PIT-BNA on 9/29.

I saw the article in the PG. Did I read that correctly that they only have 13 daily flights to 7 destinations? They fly to MDW, LAS, PHX, BWI, MCO, DEN, and TPA. So it looks like they're only averaging 2 flights to each.

For March 11, this is what I am looking at courtesy of WN's website:

MDW 5x
BWI 4x
LAS 2x
PHX 1x
MCO 2x (WN only)
TPA 2x (WN only)
DEN 1x

That's 17 just on WN metal. The HOU and BNA flights will make it 19 just on WN metal.

I remember when AA used to have PIT-BNA service. My mom flew that route on an AA puddle jumper back when I was about 7.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

Doesn't WN do PBI too?

User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13073 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 19):
For March 11, this is what I am looking at courtesy of WN's website:

MDW 5x
BWI 4x
LAS 2x
PHX 1x
MCO 2x (WN only)
TPA 2x (WN only)
DEN 1x

That's 17 just on WN metal. The HOU and BNA flights will make it 19 just on WN metal.
Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 20):

Doesn't WN do PBI too?

Yes, 1x Daily. However it looks like it ends for the season on 4/13.

Combining the WN/FL network. A average of 31 flights to 13 different markets (Including HOU and BNA and PBI). That will surpass DL on most cities served when FL/WN goes to all WN metal.


User currently offlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13056 times:

Nice to see more growth from WN. Nashville is a fun town, and the new service makes it much more conductive for me to get away for a weekend if I want.

Any guesses as to their next new market from PIT? My thoughts are that it's likely to be one of MCI or STL. I also wonder if they could make weekend service to MSY work.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13023 times:

Yeah, I didn't include the seasonal services; I just included the city pairs that are available year-round. As for which cities might be next for PIT on WN, I guess MCI and/or STL would be next. I'd like to see IND, but I think that's a bit of a stretch, along with SAN or SEA.

DL is growing SEA, aren't they? If they, by chance, were to add SEA-PIT, that would be pretty much a p2p route, wouldn't it?

Looking at Faremeasure.com, now that PIT-BNA has 1x daily and that it has less daily O&D (143) than SAN (262) and SEA (263), I wonder if a pitch could be made for either one of those.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12953 times:

Isn't it amazing what lower landing fees (via the new incentive program) will do wrt getting a new destinaltion or two? This is a route that Southwest could have added at least 5 years ago.


FLYi
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13065 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 12):
In any event, if US and AA do merge, I really hope that renders AA's eagle contract null and void. For the airline to have 60-65 flights a day with 90 percent of them on eagle equipment would be silly. Not to mention, it would be a slap in the face to the local US FF members who will likely be transfered over to AAdvantage. I'm guessing there are still quite a few of those still around. Just my 2cents.

I would like to keep my job, Steeler83.   Even if they keep US mainline people upstairs, the ramp will likely be Eagle anyway. US is not happy with JetStream's performance. Also, don't forget, US has a very senior workforce here, they'll probably be looking at heavy retirements sooner rather than later.

Quoting jfk69 (Reply 17):
B6 is absolutely missed already as DL has flights in the $600 range. Such a shame B6 could not make it.

How many times do I have to say it, jetBlue's business model was/is all wrong for this market. Their primary business is not providing rock-bottom fares to JFK one-way. It's to connect people to their Caribbean and transcon networks, something they will be very unlikely to do with flights just to BOS in the future. They'll be gone from PIT in about a year, IMHO.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13044 times:

Post-Gazette updated its article:

"Mr. Fitzgerald said that Southwest also is considering adding more service and more cities to its network from Pittsburgh, although he would not discuss specifics. But he added that West Coast flights could be "part of the mix."
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...om-pittsburgh-to-nashville-677974/

I don't trust Fitzgerald for as far as I can throw him, but I wouldn't be surprised to see another destination, or eventually another frequency to HOU/BNA or year round PBI.



FLYi
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13076 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 25):
How many times do I have to say it, jetBlue's business model was/is all wrong for this market. Their primary business is not providing rock-bottom fares to JFK one-way. It's to connect people to their Caribbean and transcon networks, something they will be very unlikely to do with flights just to BOS in the future. They'll be gone from PIT in about a year, IMHO.

I'd like to see DL give it another shot on PIT-BOS, only this time NOT use 50-seater tuna cans! CR7s or E70/75s would do just fine...

Quoting PITrules (Reply 26):
Post-Gazette updated its article:

"Mr. Fitzgerald said that Southwest also is considering adding more service and more cities to its network from Pittsburgh, although he would not discuss specifics. But he added that West Coast flights could be "part of the mix."
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...om-pittsburgh-to-nashville-677974/

I don't trust Fitzgerald for as far as I can throw him, but I wouldn't be surprised to see another destination, or eventually another frequency to HOU/BNA or year round PBI.

The combined carrier will have 23 flights to 12 cities? Where are they getting their information? I pulled my info right from Southwest, and without FL, they'll have 19 daily flights to 8 or 9 cities. With FL integrated, they'll pick up an additional 6 to MCO and TPA, not counting ATL or their other FLA route(s).

Also, you gotta love the PG readers. When this article was initially published, someone posted to facebook:

"At this rate, maybe they'll open a regional hub."

You don't follow the world of aviation very well, do you? This is only one flight to one destination. Even with that new service, PIT is still a rather miniscule operation compared to some other WN markets.

On a related note, so much for the hopes of seeing a "Keystone One" livery. My how the mighty have fallen. After April, WN is down to serving only 10 markets nonstop from PHL. RDU, PBI, and RSW are gone by then.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13065 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 25):

I totally agree with you. B6 will end PIT very soon I think this 4 daily BOS is going to be a disaster. If DL comes in B6 is gone


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13008 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 28):
If DL comes in B6 is gone

DL did PIT-BOS before, but they failed. They had abysmal market share and a subpar product (3x daily cr200). I'm thinking B6 will go away before DL gives it another shot tho. DL has other fish to fry for now.



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User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12946 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 28):
I totally agree with you. B6 will end PIT very soon I think this 4 daily BOS is going to be a disaster. If DL comes in B6 is gone

I dont understand why everyone on this thread has no faith in B6 and there PIT operations. No one has seen the numbers.. Now that JFK is out of the way, this leave room for greater profitability for this statoin. I think that all of you are wrong and that you will see some grwoth from B6 in PIT.


User currently offlineJetBlue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12899 times:

Firstly to start off im a new guy to airliners.net but I have read these PIT posts for years now and enjoy them. Im from PIT and live and breath for this airport. i always enjoy reading steeler83 and pit posts on PIT.
On the topic of Jetblue i did get an email from the annoying JoAnn Jenny saying that they have a focus for LCC at the airport and that they are working with jetblue to try and get another route in Florida. She then said she cant be more specific at the moment but that they really want this route. I think she is probably talking a little bit of trash but it could be interesting.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12861 times:

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 31):
i always enjoy reading steeler83 and pit posts on PIT.

Hey, thanks! Welcome to the discussion.  

In any event, this should be interesting indeed. I wonder which route this could be. I know PIT-MCO is going to be dominated by WN, as is FLL. I think those would be the best bets for any new FLA service IMHO. I think anything else would be more like p2p.



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User currently offlineJetBlue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12807 times:

I think that one idea might be JAX. The reason why is it has offered incentives by PIT since it was popular in that servey thingy of new routes. JAX has a nice amount of jetblue routes but im not sure how the route daily travelers are. I find it funny how that servey that PIT airport put out has been taken seriously for the most part when I easily put in 10% of the votes for some of the routes. Funny how things works out  


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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12809 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 23):
Looking at Faremeasure.com, now that PIT-BNA has 1x daily and that it has less daily O&D (143) than SAN (262) and SEA (263), I wonder if a pitch could be made for either one of those.

While WN doesn't have any official "hubs" BNA serves as a major connection point in their network. WN has tried to avoid adding near transcon flights lately, I don't know that I would expect them to add any from PIT in the near future without some type of added incentive/guarantee.


User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12797 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 25):
the ramp will likely be Eagle anyway.

Don't forget about Piedmont possibly coming to PIT to do the below wing work.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12746 times:

Quoting pit (Reply 30):
I dont understand why everyone on this thread has no faith in B6 and there PIT operations. No one has seen the numbers..

I don't get it either.

-If they were to discontinue BOS they certainly wouldn't be adding to the service like they have been.
-They outlasted Delta.
-When JetBlue pulled out of BNA and CMH, they ended both JFK and BOS and pulled out.

I could see B6 take a look at PIT-FLL. South Florida is a huge market and should be able to sustain more than the 2 Eagle RJs and one AirTran flight currently serving the market.



FLYi
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12738 times:

A few observations about the upcoming resumption of PIT-CDG:

-25 corporations have contracts for the flight.
-25% of tickets sold for the flight were bought outside the US
-The new departure time from CDG is 14:00, arriving at PIT at 17:10

http://www.flypittsburgh.com/europe

The departure time from CDG was previously one of the earliest flights to leave Europe, which restricted some of the connecting opportunities for passengers originating in Europe. The new departure time will afford much greater flexibility by allowing additional and more convenient connecting opportunities from India and the Middle East; as well as from within Europe as there should now be at least 3 connecting banks available instead of the previous one.

Hopefully this will greatly increase the amount of tickets bought outside the US.




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FLYi
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12713 times:

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 31):

PIT isn't that attractive to LCC beacuse of ther gate fees. JAX is a different story there attractive because fees are way lower and JAX is a better performer. Why would B6 waste capital on PIT if its not a big money maker. JAX has 3X JFK 2 BOS, 1 SJU, they are trying to get a slot so they can add DCA-JAX


User currently offlineJetBlue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12665 times:

When you say it's not attractive did you see the nice incentives package the airport put out to carries. Although I think FLL is probably the most likely choice it won't have any incentives given to JetBlue while JAX does. The market in MCO has to much competition and ACAA won't support B6 on the route.


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User currently offlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12478 times:

Dumb article in the PG about a canceled flight for NK at LBE. Must have been a very slow news day. haha.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...led-because-of-bird-strike-678152/

I cannot wait til the day we post LBE Update Thread Part 1 =)



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12430 times:

Quoting Cush (Reply 40):

Dumb article in the PG about a canceled flight for NK at LBE. Must have been a very slow news day. haha.

Sounds like another reason not to fly out of a small airport with no other options in the case of mx issues. At PIT, you more than likely could have gotten to your intended destination the same day on another carrier.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12361 times:

"Ms. Witting was upset because she said Spirit refused to provide passengers with food vouchers while they waited in the terminal. At one point, she said, the airline offered customers a $50 credit for a future flight. She was unimpressed.

"Who cares about a $50 voucher when you don't want to fly this airline again?" she said."

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...led-because-of-bird-strike-678152/

Must be nice to collect a $50 voucher for a $9 ticket. The things people complain about, and think they are entitled to these days.



FLYi
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12295 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 42):
Must be nice to collect a $50 voucher for a $9 ticket. The things people complain about, and think they are entitled to these days.

Pretty sad when the carrier issues you a voucher worth more than the price or cost of the ticket. This could happen on a legacy carrier too. Think about it, you spend say $250 on a discount fare, your flights get delayed or cancelled due to MX or crew problems and you get a meal voucher and hotel for about 75% of your ticket cost. If it drags out over multiple days, it's cost the airline more than the cost/revenue from your ticket in expenses due to the hotel rooms and food vouchers.



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User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12278 times:
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Quoting PITrules (Reply 42):
Must be nice to collect a $50 voucher for a $9 ticket. The things people complain about, and think they are entitled to these days.

Only a few seats are sold at $9 but most seat were sold over $120 not including extra fees they had to pay.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

"Without JetBlue, fares from Pittsburgh to New York City go sky high"
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-new-york-city-go-sky-high-678202/

Good reading.

"It didn't take David Brooks long to learn how wallet-unfriendly trips to New York City from Pittsburgh can be without JetBlue Airways.

Accustomed to $200 round-trip fares to the Big Apple, Mr. Brooks was shocked to find that the cheapest ticket for a flight to a meeting in New York on Wednesday was about $874. That, he said, was even more than his boss paid for a flight from London to New York for the same meeting.

.........

Mr. Brooks, who prefers to fly US Airways,........
"

Perhaps Mr. Brooks should have supported JetBlue, especially when they had 4 flights to JFK.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12094 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 45):

Another useless article. Did anyone ever see any B6 advertising around here when they flew PITJFK? We're airline people; we know when someone flies here. Just curious.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12083 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 46):
Did anyone ever see any B6 advertising around here when they flew PITJFK? We're airline people; we know when someone flies here. Just curious.

Personally I think advertising is one of the most overrated things in the airline business. People book their tickets online, and JetBlue's name pops up on travel booking sites just like most other airlines. I don't see American or United advertising in PIT, or Spirit at LBE for that matter. Its not a lack of advertising that hurt JetBlue; its Pittsburgher's shooting themselves in the foot as usual by preferring US Airways and not the airline that makes the low fares possible. We've seen it when AirTran attempted a focus city at PIT, WN to PHL, and this is merely the latest example.

But to answer your question, I actually do remember some limited local advertising from JetBlue when they entered the market, including billboards on the way to the airport.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12045 times:

I don't really fly to New York, but I do like the B6 product. Whenever I book a flight anywhere, I have always wanted to give B6 a shot, but always found the connections to/from PIT were inconvenient to go to the places I want. Everyone bashes US on here, but the fact is they more often than not offer the best connections and flights to the places I go from PIT. I'm sure if I had to fly to NYC a lot, I would have used B6 if the times were convenient. I definitely would prefer having their IFE over nothing offered on the US flights.

User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11948 times:

To me it seems like everyone is acting like these B6 JFK flights were leaving empty. From what I understand that is far from the truth. I understand B6 adores the business traveler (esp to a market like JFK I get it) but if the flights are doing well, why end it?

Does anyone have any numbers on the JFK flights?

Also, I don't know how they will be able to sustain 4x daily BOS flights come May. Including other airlines, it seems like that market may be saturated from PIT.


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Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11890 times:

I think 4X is way to much for BOS, lets be real here, 2X or 3X is a good amount

User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3338 posts, RR: 6
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11863 times:
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Quoting PITrules (Reply 42):
Must be nice to collect a $50 voucher for a $9 ticket. The things people complain about, and think they are entitled to these days.

Do keep inmind that, in order to get most of those $9 fares, you need to be a paid member of the $9 fare club, so who knows how many people actually got these fares. Also, like stated above, with all NK's taxes and fees, you end up paying well oer $50 to get to your destination.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11781 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 49):
To me it seems like everyone is acting like these B6 JFK flights were leaving empty. From what I understand that is far from the truth. I understand B6 adores the business traveler (esp to a market like JFK I get it) but if the flights are doing well, why end it?

That's what I understood as well, as far as the loads were concerned. What I don't understand is, before totally giving up on a route, since they know they are setting the price floor why not increase the fares - the other airlines will eventually follow. JetBlue must have known fares on the route would go to the $600-$800 range when they pull out. They were charging ~$100, so why not charge $200-$300? Loads would not have gone down that much if at all.

Same for WN on the PHL route. They were up to 7x daily on that route at one point. Why not 4x daily and double the fares both WN and US were charging, which would still be half what US is now charging under their monopoly. US would have eventually matched WN in such a case.

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 49):

Also, I don't know how they will be able to sustain 4x daily BOS flights come May. Including other airlines, it seems like that market may be saturated from PIT.

Well, US Airways has 5 flights, so I don't see how it is B6 saturating the market with 4 flights. US might still have a ff following in PIT, but they don't have a focus city on either end. JetBlue on the other hand has a hub in BOS, and a very large following there.

Regardless, I just checked USAirways.com, and they will be going from 5x daily to 4x daily on PIT-BOS, so there is no real change in capacity. I have no problem with JetBlue taking market share from US Airways. In fact, I'm happy to see it.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 51):
Also, like stated above, with all NK's taxes and fees, you end up paying well oer $50 to get to your destination.

Granted I've never flown Spirit and am not familiar with all their small print fee structure. But if the flight is cancelled, I would think those are all refunded outright. They can't not refund a prepaid $50 checked bag fee if they never checked the bag.

I went back and re-read the article and it stated:
"Ms. Pinson said passengers also have the option of rebooking on another flight or taking a future flight credit or refund"
So I take that to mean a full refund, if the ticket cost was $9 or $300.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11777 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 52):
I have no problem with JetBlue taking market share from US Airways. In fact, I'm happy to see it

Likewise. I am happy to see any airline taking market share from US Airways. I live near PHL and even out here my wife and I don't give them any of our pennies when we fly.

I really do not understand PIT flyers' infatuation with an airline that no longer has a hub there and continues to charge arms and legs for short hops to top destinations, at least the ones they still serve non-stop anyway.

Since I do a lot of travel between PIT and PHL, yeah, my wife and I don't get out to PIT that much. WN not serving that route has a great deal to do with it. I haven't flown US in several years, by the way...



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11719 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 53):
I really do not understand PIT flyers' infatuation with an airline that no longer has a hub there and continues to charge arms and legs for short hops to top destinations, at least the ones they still serve non-stop anyway.

Every time I've flown recently US has been the same or beat the other legacies and WN in fare. Maybe in PHL where US has a fortress hub their fares are high, but not at PIT anymore.


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11707 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 54):
Every time I've flown recently US has been the same or beat the other legacies and WN in fare. Maybe in PHL where US has a fortress hub their fares are high, but not at PIT anymore.

Wait, you can't say anything marginally positive about US in a PIT topic. Logic will not be tolerated in here.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3338 posts, RR: 6
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11701 times:
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Quoting steeler83 (Reply 53):
I live near PHL and even out here my wife and I don't give them any of our pennies when we fly.
Quoting steeler83 (Reply 53):
I haven't flown US in several years, by the way...

Why is that? I'm not criticizing you or saying you're wrong, I'm just always curious to see why people don't like airlines.

In the 14-15 flights I've had with them (granted, none to/from PIT) I've never had a problem. You, of course, have probably had more experience than me so that is why I am wondering.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11684 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 54):

Every time I've flown recently US has been the same or beat the other legacies and WN in fare. Maybe in PHL where US has a fortress hub their fares are high, but not at PIT anymore.

US will match other airlines in markets they compete, but I'm not sure how fares are not high from PIT to other markets such as PHL, DCA, and LGA.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 55):
Wait, you can't say anything marginally positive about US in a PIT topic. Logic will not be tolerated in here.

And what would "logic" be?



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11678 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 53):
I really do not understand PIT flyers' infatuation with an airline that no longer has a hub there and continues to charge arms and legs for short hops to top destinations, at least the ones they still serve non-stop anyway.

Because they have the majority of FFs here and that has not changed. UA does have some significant corporate contracts, but US still carries the majority of FF traffic here.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 55):
Logic will not be tolerated in here.

Then I guess I'll have to post somewhere else, then.  



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User currently offlineJetBlue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11596 times:

Like othes have said, US airways still has a TON of PIT loyalty when in reality nobody here realizes that US have gone from 550 flights to now 42.
Also it seems like SWA has alot of loyalty here in PIT. If more businesses contracting WN from PIT they would have a much bigger operation here but like wise what business traveler would want to travel in a cramped 737 while they could be flying on first on UA/US/AA/DL



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11526 times:

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 59):
Like othes have said, US airways still has a TON of PIT loyalty when in reality nobody here realizes that US have gone from 550 flights to now 42.

I'm pretty sure most people know PIT is not a US hub anymore. The fact is they still offer more flights out of PIT than any other carrier. They also offer first class and great connections with *A partners. I don't get the constant US bashing on this thread. 42 flights is still better than what the other airlines have here. If another carrier wants to step up and offer more convenient flights to places I want to go, I will support them too.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11486 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 56):
Why is that? I'm not criticizing you or saying you're wrong, I'm just always curious to see why people don't like airlines.

In the 14-15 flights I've had with them (granted, none to/from PIT) I've never had a problem. You, of course, have probably had more experience than me so that is why I am wondering.

Because the flights that are as cheap as WN was offering were either at 6 am or rather late in the evening. If you wanted to fly out later in the day, I you'd have to pay double, whereas WN charges the same flat rate for any flight you want, providing they're still available. Since I'd tend to make travel plans several months in advance, I'd be sure to take advantage of the $110 each way fare.

Plus, US started charging extra for a windor or isle seat. Didn't exactly care for that. Since when is a window/isle seat a frill? Like I said (or at least implied), my wife doesn't care for them too much either. She's a life-long Philly resident...



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11493 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 61):
Plus, US started charging extra for a windor or isle seat. Didn't exactly care for that.

That is untrue. I fly US a lot and always get a window seat. The fare is set before you pick your seat. Only the first few rows of the aircraft and the emergency exit rows are choice seating for preferred members and people who want to pay extra.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2349 posts, RR: 38
Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11381 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 62):
I fly US a lot

Im sorry. I flew them ANC-PHX-MCO and return on UA miles, first class. Other than a big front seat, nothing to write ho,e about. Not even a plug for my laptop. United has outlets (Continental I should say) in everything ahead of the emergency exit row and at least Delta has it on most planes in first class. Way to win me over to US there airways. Not. Decent food, comfy seat, same old crappy airline.

I really would like to see more UA metal into PIT, or even a daily SEA on AS, but as I get older, more of my family dies off and that equals less reasons to go back to Pittsburgh. As a buddy of mine up here (from the 'Rocks) says, "Pittsburgh, a great place to be from."

atct



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User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11256 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 49):

To me it seems like everyone is acting like these B6 JFK flights were leaving empty. From what I understand that is far from the truth. I understand B6 adores the business traveler (esp to a market like JFK I get it) but if the flights are doing well, why end it?

Just because a flight is going out full, doesn't mean its making money. On a route like PIT-NYC where five different airlines fly the same route, its hard to raise fares.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 65, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

Quoting pit (Reply 64):

Just because a flight is going out full, doesn't mean its making money. On a route like PIT-NYC where five different airlines fly the same route, its hard to raise fares.

The remaining airlines on the route had no problem raising fares 6 fold. It was JetBlue who came in and slashed fares, causing others to follow. Again I don't understand why they didn't try to at least raise fares considering they set the price floor by a considerable margin.



Another cool VIP aircraft came in today:

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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3338 posts, RR: 6
Reply 66, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11185 times:
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Quoting PITrules (Reply 65):

FYI I believe that 75 belongs to google.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11190 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 66):
FYI I believe that 75 belongs to google.

Its Ron Burkle's 757. He owns the Pens. Here it is on short final today:




User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3338 posts, RR: 6
Reply 68, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11160 times:
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Quoting steeler83 (Reply 61):
Plus, US started charging extra for a windor or isle seat.

That must've ended a while ago because it doesn't happen anymore.

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 67):

Thanks for the correction!  
Quoting steeler83 (Reply 61):
If you wanted to fly out later in the day, I you'd have to pay double, whereas WN charges the same flat rate for any flight you want, providing they're still available.

I take your word for what you are saying, as they are YOUR experiences. But, I have very seldom seen all WN flights for one day the same price. Many times, morning and evening flights are much more money than mid-day and late-evening/nighttime flights.



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11104 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 67):

He does not own the pens, just a portion. Mario Lemieux is the majority owner.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 70, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11054 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 69):
He does not own the pens, just a portion. Mario Lemieux is the majority owner.

Co-owner. I stand corrected. Thanks!


User currently offlineJetBlue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11025 times:

Does anybody here spot/work at the airport? (PIT)


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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10946 times:

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 71):
Does anybody here spot/work at the airport? (PIT)

I do, and quite a few other posters do as well. What's up?


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 73, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

That 75 has always been a frequent visitor to PIT. I guess now we know why.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 74, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

"Pentagon to announce decision on 911th on Wednesday"
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...sion-on-911th-on-wednesday-678850/



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 74):

lets hope for good news!



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10723 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 75):
lets hope for good news!

We need some good news at PIT for once.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 77, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10690 times:

Anyone know what this diversion was about:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA2601


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It sure would be nice to see them on a scheduled basis.


Looks like the Swift Air 767 is back:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ2121


Traffic up 1% in Jan, essentially the first increase since WN dropped the PHL route a year ago and fares shot up 600%.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/PIT_Pas...er_Traffic_Report_For_January_2013

I imagine it will be down again (after the Feb report) for the next several months as the same is now happening in the NYC market.



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 78, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 77):
Looks like the Swift Air 767 is back:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...Q2121

Im guessing that 767 is the Boston Bruins, as they played in Ottawa last night....

Quoting PITrules (Reply 77):
Anyone know what this diversion was about:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA2601


It sure would be nice to see them on a scheduled basis.

I wouldnt even mind seeing WestJet Encore in PIT...


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 79, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10649 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 78):

I wouldnt even mind seeing WestJet Encore in PIT...

Encore (after they expand into eastern Canada) is the most likely avenue for WestJet to add PIT if that ever happens.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 80, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10436 times:

"911th to stay open at least until 2014, Rep. Murphy and Sen. Casey announce"
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-open-rep-murphy-announces-679082/

As both a fan of Pittsburgh and aviation, I'm glad to see this remain open.

OTOH.... 1500 employees to support 8 airplanes? No wonder the base is constantly on the closure list, causing this battle to be fought seemingly every single year. I can't imagine an airline with 8 airplanes requiring 1500 employees.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 81, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10403 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 80):
OTOH.... 1500 employees to support 8 airplanes? No wonder the base is constantly on the closure list, causing this battle to be fought seemingly every single year. I can't imagine an airline with 8 airplanes requiring 1500 employees.

Great news about the 911th! Those 1500 employees are not all related to the C-130 flying mission though. There are many squadrons at the base that do other missions for the Air Force such as medical, security, communications, ect. that do not directly support the C-130s, but contribute to the war fighting effort in other ways. Also, the military doesn't have the luxury of sub contracting out ground handlers, maintenance, fuelers ect. when they are deployed to a war zone. The unit has to have enough personnel to keep the aircraft mission ready 24-7 away from their base in a war zone without any outside help. It is not really a fair comparison to equate the personnel strength of a military flying unit to an airline.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 82, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10347 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 81):
Great news about the 911th! Those 1500 employees are not all related to the C-130 flying mission though. There are many squadrons at the base that do other missions for the Air Force such as medical, security, communications, ect. that do not directly support the C-130s, but contribute to the war fighting effort in other ways. Also, the military doesn't have the luxury of sub contracting out ground handlers, maintenance, fuelers ect. when they are deployed to a war zone. The unit has to have enough personnel to keep the aircraft mission ready 24-7 away from their base in a war zone without any outside help. It is not really a fair comparison to equate the personnel strength of a military flying unit to an airline.

Excellent points. I hope the 911th is as efficient as the politicians say it is allowing the unit to remain active for the long term.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 83, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10314 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 82):
Excellent points. I hope the 911th is as efficient as the politicians say it is allowing the unit to remain active for the long term.

Me too. What I think would make sense would be to combine the 171st and 911th bases. I think there are definite duplications of services. The Air Force has tried the "total force" concept in other bases where active, reserve, and guard units work together on one base. Why have two mess halls, two security offices, two chapels, two fuel farms ect. right across the runway from each other. There is no coordination between the two bases for anything. I think this has a lot to do with the politics of federal vs. state control, but there is plenty of ramp space (unless ACAA gives it away to non-aviation business) to combine the bases if the real objective is to cut costs.

BTW does anyone know what is being built between Atlantic and Heinz's hangar near the 911th's ramp?


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 84, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 83):
BTW does anyone know what is being built between Atlantic and Heinz's hangar near the 911th's ramp?

I believe they are removing the foundation work and sewer lines from the old terminal to make way for more corporate hangars and another office building. Here's an article from a year ago:
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...irport-site-to-be-revamped-215368/



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 85, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

"Airport officials fear airline merger could cost jobs at Pittsburgh International"
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/3...davin-authority-jobs#axzz2NdDpITN6



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User currently offlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

Cool little article about Arnold Palmer Airport (LBE). http://www.ConcourseA.com/latrobe-airport-lbe/


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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 87, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9860 times:

Speaking of the 911th, spotted a C-17 over there Friday afternoon. What's that all about?


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 88, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9859 times:

Quoting Cush (Reply 86):
Cool little article about Arnold Palmer Airport (LBE)

Thanks for the link; one other unique gem about LBE is what might be the last outside observation deck in America?



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 89, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9849 times:

Quoting Cush (Reply 86):
Cool little article about Arnold Palmer Airport

Good article about the LBE experience, but it re-affirms LBE is somewhere I would not want to fly out of.

From the article:
"I hate the big overbearing feel of Pittsburgh International Airport, and try to fly out of Latrobe whenever possible."

PIT is overbearing? Even at peak times, it is far from overbearing. In 2011 we were the 45th busiest airport in the country and not even in the top 100 in the world. What would happen if you ever had to fly to JFK, ORD, ATL, LAX ect? This is the kind of backwards mentality that seems to keep our region in the stone age. It reminds me of MTV's show "Buckwild" where they refer to Morgantown (WV) as the "big city".

"There is one restaurant, which comes highly recommended from a few people, and a snack bar/bar down in the gate area."

As has been mentioned in a previous post, what happens when there are inevitable mx or wx delays? I'd much rather be in an airport that has multiple options to dine and if need be to get to my destination on another carrier. At LBE if your aircraft has a mx issue and your flight is cancelled, you have no other option. You essentially have to go home and try to get on the flight the following day. At PIT, you can catch a flight on another carrier to at least get to your destination that same day.

I still don't see how anything other than free parking is an advantage over PIT.


User currently offlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9796 times:

@tarmacphotos: I understand what you are saying. It all comes down to this. Are you traveling to Myrtle Beach, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, or Dallas? If not, then you are going to Pittsburgh and you will like it! haha. I love Latrobe and give it all of the support in the world. It's basically a drop in the bucket compared to PIT, so that's why i support them. The concerns you raised are true. Yes, what if a flight goes Mechanical, what about the lack of many destinations, what about the lack of backup aircraft, etc.... However, that is what makes the airport unique. Free parking, small building, and 5 minutes from seat to seat. Yes a trip to anywhere but those 4 cities requires the use of a larger airport, but if you are going to one of those places, give Spirit a shot! It's a great experience.


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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9777 times:

Quoting Cush (Reply 90):
but if you are going to one of those places, give Spirit a shot! It's a great experience.

So is it LBE you like or Spirit? What if the Spirit operation was at PIT? Would you still support it? My problem is LBE is so out of the way and hard to get to. The free parking and the 5 minutes from car to aircraft mean nothing when it takes over an hour to get there. Who wants to fly home from vacation and then have a road trip in the car to get home. It is almost like the people that would drive to CLE during the US hub days here to save a few bucks. It just is not worth it to me, and I ever got it. If Spirit would move their operation to PIT, even though the ticket prices may go up slightly because of the higher fees an taxes, then I would try them if flying to one of those destinations. I'd like to know if the ACAA dropped the ball by not courting Spirit to come to PIT, or is it Spirit's business model that won't allow them to operate out of the mainstream airports like PIT? Does Spirit ever compete with WN or B6 on routes such as MCO or FLL?


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 92, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9766 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 89):
I'd much rather be in an airport that has multiple options to dine

The nice thing about LBE is that in the amount of time it takes to walk from the end of one of PIT's concourses to the core, you could be back in your car and half way to a number of Rt 30 restaurants at LBE.

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 89):

I still don't see how anything other than free parking is an advantage over PIT.

Plus the ticket price.

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 91):
My problem is LBE is so out of the way and hard to get to. The free parking and the 5 minutes from car to aircraft mean nothing when it takes over an hour to get there. Who wants to fly home from vacation and then have a road trip in the car to get home. It is almost like the people that would drive to CLE during the US hub days here to save a few bucks. It just is not worth it to me, and I ever got it. If Spirit would move their operation to PIT, even though the ticket prices may go up slightly because of the higher fees an taxes, then I would try them if flying to one of those destinations. I'd like to know if the ACAA dropped the ball by not courting Spirit to come to PIT, or is it Spirit's business model that won't allow them to operate out of the mainstream airports like PIT? Does Spirit ever compete with WN or B6 on routes such as MCO or FLL?

I don't think LBE is as far off the beaten path as you make it sound. In fact, it is as convenient as PIT for anyone in the middle of the eastern suburbs. That's a huge chunk of our population. A one hour drive to PIT is routine for those of us out here.

The free parking is HUGE if you are going away for a week.

The ACAA did in fact try to court Spirit, and Spirit has flown into some of the busiest and most congested airports for many years. Losing Spirit to LBE because of the high fees at PIT is a huge setback for the ACAA.



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User currently offlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9751 times:

@PITRules: I agree with everything you said. I live about 15 minutes from PIT and about 2 weeks ago I had the pleasure of having 1 trip out of LBE and another out of PIT, so I made the following comparisions:

My House to Latrobe Airport:
Total Drive Time and parking: 55 minutes driving and 0 minutes finding a space.
Total walking time from car to security line (was in furthest parking space in lot) - 3 minutes
Total time waiting in security line - 0 minutes
Total time spent walking from security to gate - 0 minutes
Total of all time from moment I left my home until I was sitting on the aircraft: 1 hour

My House to Pittsburgh Airport:
Total Drive Time and parking: 20 minutes driving and 10 minutes finding a space.
Total walking time from car to security line (again was in furthest parking space near gas station) - 12 minutes
Total time waiting in security line - 32 minutes
Total time spent walking from security to gate - 6 minutes
Total of all time from moment i left my home until i was sitting on the aircraft (excluding the delay): 1 hour 20 minutes

The big difference also is that at Latrobe I walked at a slow pace, whereas at PIT i was running like a mad man. I hate the parking at PIT, because I swear there is never a space open in Extended Lot when i travel!

If Spirit flew out of PIT, i probably wouldn't frequent them as much, simply because of the high fees that add on to the ticket price. I frequent LBE a lot, because where else can you fly somewhere for under $100 roundtrip? It's unheard of! I feel like my $75 ticket would run $160-180 out of PIT.

I have turned about a dozen people into loyal Spirit Airlines / Latrobe Airport flyers. Many folks are turned off by the "Drive" to Latrobe, but once they make the trek, and experience "hassle free travel", they see the amount of time wasted at PIT by parking, walking, waiting, security lines, etc...

I love PIT, don't get me wrong, but just saying that LBE is awesome for so many reasons. Plus, look at this fact. How many carriers have moved into PIT, only to have a better portion of the Western PA market forget the airline exists to fly our "HUB carrier" US Airways instead. haha. It's a use it or lose it mentality. We have this amazing airline and airport just an hour away, so lets support it and keep the competition building at PIT. If People Express ever does take off, I can almost guarantee you that it will fail if based in PIT. Even if US/AA cut back to service to just their core hub cities (PHL/CLT/ORD/JFK/DFW), people would still think that US is king at PIT.



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 94, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9723 times:

Security at PIT can be a real pain. I've frequently seen 30-45 minutes waits on Sunday afternoons even using the priority lanes. Although the pre 9/11 design of the terminal doesn't help, the most annoying issue is the failure of the TSA to staff effectively, I understand all about costs, its my business after all but nevertheless it is still frustrating to spend 40 minutes waiting in security lines when only half of the lanes are open in the first place.

User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 95, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9683 times:

US does not have employees checking boarding passes for the first class line anymore, and TSA is not allowed to discriminate based on class. Just walk up to the first class line and skip the wait. TSA can not say anything if you do not have a first class boarding pass. This is only true for PIT, as other airports have employees of the dominant carrier checking boarding passes, and since they are not the government, they can enforce the special lines for their first class passengers.

User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 513 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9634 times:

YNG draws a decent amount of their traffic from along 376 and 79 in Mercer, Lawrence, and Beaver Counties and even down into northern Allegheny. One day I will find the heat map of how far south into PIT Allegiant draws people in from. I do know Spirit is starting to get people from up this way to MYR until Allegiant gets that cranking in May.


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 97, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9621 times:

Quoting Cush (Reply 93):
I love PIT, don't get me wrong, but just saying that LBE is awesome for so many reasons. Plus, look at this fact. How many carriers have moved into PIT, only to have a better portion of the Western PA market forget the airline exists to fly our "HUB carrier" US Airways instead. haha. It's a use it or lose it mentality. We have this amazing airline and airport just an hour away, so lets support it and keep the competition building at PIT. If People Express ever does take off, I can almost guarantee you that it will fail if based in PIT. Even if US/AA cut back to service to just their core hub cities (PHL/CLT/ORD/JFK/DFW), people would still think that US is king at PIT.

I wonder if the newer folks calling PIT their home labor under this delusion. I'm hopeful this is not the case. To be honest, I wonder why so many folks still have US dividend miles. Fewer flights equals fewer options; options at picking up miles. With US slashing flights across the board, what would have been the point? If I were a US flyers member, I guess I'd be among the only ones telling them to shove it...



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User currently offlineJetBlue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

How about instead of complaining about a dead PIT, support the airport and travel out of it more. I don't understand how people can stand spirits crap service and rude employees.
Also people who complain about the waits at PIT for security, go in the first class line!
Geeze! Nobody is stopping you; I do it all the time and nobody ever says anything.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 99, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9605 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 97):
people would still think that US is king at PIT.

I wonder if the newer folks calling PIT their home labor under this delusion.

What delusion? The facts are US has more flights than any carrier out of our region. Period. Now add the AA destinations and you have even more. Would you rather see them leave so we are stuck driving an hour and a half through Rt. 30 traffic to catch some airline that serves 4 destinations a few times a week? Until another carrier steps up and serves more destinations conveniently from PIT, I'll continue to support US if they fly where I want when I want. I just don't get all the bitterness on here for US when they still provide more options than any other carrier for this entire region.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 100, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9568 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 99):
What delusion?

That US is still "king" at PIT. THey may still offer more flights than any other carrier, but I wouldn't be one to call the margin between them and WN or DL substantial. We're talking about a difference of roughly 15 or 16 flights give or take. Of course, they will become bigger if/when they merge with AA by a larger margin. It's not so much bitterness at US. There are people who continue to fly US to places where there are other options (i.e WN to PHL or B6 to JFK), yet, they still prefer US.

I dunno. Considering how they shrunk their service (I know it was done for the better of the airline, and PIT was not only expensive to operate out of but it also lacked the local traffic to run a financially viable operation), would it be worth it to spend an arm and a leg to travel to the places you want to go to rack up miles just so that the same flight later on will be free (fly 10 times and fly an 11th time on us)? I guess it really depends on where you're flying, but to me, IMO, it really would not be worth it in the long run. I know AA will provide more options to even more top destinations out of PIT, but still... My 2cents.

I guess I can see both the perks and drawbacks from FF clubs. You rack up miles that lead to free flights every now and then. you can have free checked-bags on certain flights, upgrade to first class, have access to all the clubs, etc. One drawback is -- what if you're trying to fly some place at a certain time, but it costs too much and you don't have enough points to redeem for a free flight for that particular time? Would it be worth it to cough up the cost when a competitor would offer the same or similar service for far less? I guess you don't have to be committed to one single carrier if you're an FF member...

Ok... that's my 2cents. Had to ponder both sides of the argument there, but I still don't see the value in becommong a FF member for any particluar airline. Again, my honest opinion.



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9529 times:

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 96):

It's quite possible that more people use YNG from PIT's catchment area than YNG's own.

Though in my opinion, living just 4 miles south of the Beaver Co/ Lawrence Co line in Beaver Co, driving to to YNG makes just as much sense as driving to LBE... None, for the limited flights.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 102, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9568 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 100):
What delusion?

That US is still "king" at PIT.

Who would you say is "king" at PIT then?

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 100):
I guess I can see both the perks and drawbacks from FF clubs. You rack up miles that lead to free flights every now and then. you can have free checked-bags on certain flights, upgrade to first class, have access to all the clubs, etc. One drawback is -- what if you're trying to fly some place at a certain time, but it costs too much and you don't have enough points to redeem for a free flight for that particular time? Would it be worth it to cough up the cost when a competitor would offer the same or similar service for far less? I guess you don't have to be committed to one single carrier if you're an FF member...

FF clubs do develop loyalty. Why wouldn't you want to be a member of the FF club that offers the most flights out of PIT? You (or others on here) seem to condemn people who would pick US over WN on the PIT-PHL route. The fact is, if the fares were the same or similar (WN rarely beat US prices on the same routes from PIT), I would be a fool to pick WN and not earn points that I could use in the future. US also offers first class, in which I could get upgraded to at times. Now if US was more expensive on the route, had less options for connections at PHL and did not offer first class then WN would have had my business. If WN or DL decided to increase their support for PIT and surpass US as the carrier that offers the most flights and options from here then I will join their FF club instead. WN chose to abandon the route rather than compete with and offer a better product than US. Your question is hard to answer because as I said I rarely paid more on US than WN for the same route. IF WN was significantly cheaper on the same route, then yes I would agree it is stupid to blindly pick US.


User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 513 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9530 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 101):
It's quite possible that more people use YNG from PIT's catchment area than YNG's own.

Though in my opinion, living just 4 miles south of the Beaver Co/ Lawrence Co line in Beaver Co, driving to to YNG makes just as much sense as driving to LBE... None, for the limited flights.

The I-77 corridor in OH (CLE-CAK) is close, but it does not surpass the YNG catchment. PIT isn't far behind the CLE-CAK catchment though.

The positioning of YNG is very favorable to any airline if they wanted to somehow market it as PIT and CLE's alternative. Whether any attempt it is beyond me.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 104, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 9490 times:

There is not one airline that is 'king' at PIT. US/AA will offer service to 12 markets (I considered LGA and JFK the same), Delta and United to 8, and WN/FL to 13 (including PBI, HOU, and BNA). US Airways offers the most departures, however 3 of their destinations (8 flights) are flown at risk by Trans States. Furthermore a large proportion of their flights go to only two hubs (more on that in a moment). When you look at the number of seats offered by the different carriers, the gap closes even more, as WN/FL uses only mainline equipment.

Both WN and DL (to BOS for example) DID offer to increase their support and options for PIT. It was the yinzers who chose to continue to chase ff miles and not support the new competition, even though it resulted in substantially reduced prices for them on US Airways.

Make no mistake, this is by no means bashing US Airways. They are a very well run profitable airline, and they know what they are doing in the PIT market. I would do the same if I ran them. The yinzers on the other hand have proven time and again that they are oblivious as to why fares to PHL and NYC on US Airways were under $100 and not $600, and fail to support the carrier that made those low fares possible. JetBlue and Southwest are equally well run airlines, and they are not a charity for the Yinzer USAir following. Use it or lose it. Good for US Airways and their greatly increased fares to PHL.

I think Pittsburgh deserves better transportation options to PHL and NYC than a choice between Megabus and a $600 airline ticket.

So when an airline not only offers low fares, but CAUSES fares to be low, then it needs to be supported. Unless one thinks that ff miles and seat selection are worth the $500 more per flight it would cost without that competition.

Also, when an airline offers Pittsburgh more direct flights instead of merely to their hubs, that also needs to be supported. Here is an editorial from Ken Zapinsky, Director of the Pittsburgh Regional Air Service Partnership:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...-need-to-fly-nonstop.html?page=all

I agree 100% with his sentiments.

"But the Pittsburgh region has a simple but effective tool at hand to offset the financial challenges the industry is facing: Buy more tickets from airlines that have shown a willingness to invest in Pittsburgh."

Its really not rocket science. If we want robust air service at PIT in the future, it means supporting the airline that offers the nonstop service to LAX, MIA, Europe, etc. So when Southwest starts nonstop service to Nashville, I really hope it gets supported instead of flying US Airways via CLT. And that is by no means US Airways bashing.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 105, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 104):
Its really not rocket science. If we want robust air service at PIT in the future, it means supporting the airline that offers the nonstop service to LAX, MIA, Europe, etc. So when Southwest starts nonstop service to Nashville, I really hope it gets supported instead of flying US Airways via CLT. And that is by no means US Airways bashing.

I agree totally. I said if someone steps up and invests in PIT on new markets like this and the DL CDG flight, they should be supported. If US came in and offered the same non stop flight at the same price with the opportunity to fly first class and earn FF points you can blame people for choosing them.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 104):
The yinzers on the other hand have proven time and again that they are oblivious as to why fares to PHL and NYC on US Airways were under $100 and not $600, and fail to support the carrier that made those low fares possible.

If US came in and offered the same non stop flight at the same price with the opportunity to fly first class and earn FF points you can't blame people for choosing them. Offering first class and seat assignments are important to me. In my opinion US offers a better product for the type of flier I am. Again, I agree WN or any other carrier should be supported on routes that they are the only carrier to take a shot at. I think its the yinzer mentality that has people driving an hour and a half away to LBE and YNG to save a few bucks that is hurting our chances of an airline investing heavily in our market again. Not business travelers picking US over WN because they offer a better product IMO for business travelers.

[Edited 2013-03-17 10:56:16]

[Edited 2013-03-17 10:56:44]

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 106, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 105):

If US came in and offered the same non stop flight at the same price with the opportunity to fly first class and earn FF points you can't blame people for choosing them.

But the thing is, it isn't US Airways who is coming in; they've been in the market for 5 decades. Its the low cost competition which resulted in a $500 decrease on some of these key routes. I'm not saying US Airways should be avoided at all costs, but some of the business should go to the competition on occasion. They all have loyalty programs. When AirTran attempted their PIT focus city, they said they would be satisfied if they only got 25% of the travelers on their routes. But they didn't even get that much.

I understand the importance of business class, but US only uses mainline equipment to PHL, PHX, and CLT. While their larger regional jet partners have a business class, it is highly over rated IMHO. JetBlue's economy is a nicer product.

Personally, I belong to all the major FF programs. It will take me 5 times as long to get a free ticket, but when I do I will get 5 free tickets. Over my lifetime it all evens out and therefore I don't let it drive my travel decisions. It allows me to chose the airline that works best for me on any given occasion without the need to feel any loyalty towards a FF program.

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 105):
I think its the yinzer mentality that has people driving an hour and a half away to LBE and YNG to save a few bucks that is hurting our chances of an airline investing heavily in our market again. Not business travelers picking US over WN because they offer a better product IMO for business travelers.

I think Spirit is truly stimulating the market with new flyers. People that just wouldn't go anywhere if they weren't here. And taking people off the roads as well, kind of like what Southwest did back in the day.

Earlier in the thread I stated losing Spirit to LBE is a huge setback for the ACAA, and I firmly believe that has been the case over the past few years, and will continue to be in the near future. However, trying to be objective about it, Spirit at LBE may very well turn out to be a GOOD thing for PIT in the long term. Why? No doubt Spirit entering the market from LBE lit a fire under the ACAA's ass, and I sense a renewed urgency on their part. What has happened at PIT since Spirit entered LBE? For one the Allegheny County Chief Exec dropped the nonsense about redirecting mineral revenue away from the airport, and struck what seems to be a nice deal for the airport. Then the incentive program, which no doubt is related to the increased revenue the airport will be getting from the Consol Energy deal. Immediately afterward we have BNA announced, and PE will benefit from this program as some of the cities they mentioned are not served from PIT such as PVD and PHF. According to another thread, we should know tomorrow which airline they are buying. It shouldn't be too long after that they announce their routes.

[Edited 2013-03-17 13:22:38]


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 107, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9392 times:

PITrules, thank you for chiming in. I was trying to say what you posted, but apparently had a hard time finding the words. I also agree that no "single" airline is "king" at PIT. US has the most departures of any airline. WN/FL are poised to have the most mainline flights of any airline. UA and DL add another bunch of departures.

And as you said, I guess i'm also saying I blame the "yinzers" for reasons already stated.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 106):
Earlier in the thread I stated losing Spirit to LBE is a huge setback for the ACAA, and I firmly believe that has been the case over the past few years, and will continue to be in the near future. However, trying to be objective about it, Spirit at LBE may very well turn out to be a GOOD thing for PIT in the long term. Why? No doubt Spirit entering the market from LBE lit a fire under the ACAA's ass, and I sense a renewed urgency on their part. What has happened at PIT since Spirit entered LBE? For one the Allegheny County Chief Exec dropped the nonsense about redirecting mineral revenue away from the airport, and struck what seems to be a nice deal for the airport. Then the incentive program, which no doubt is related to the increased revenue the airport will be getting from the Consol Energy deal. Immediately afterward we have BNA announced, and PE will benefit from this program as some of the cities they mentioned are not served from PIT such as PVD and PHF. According to another thread, we should know tomorrow which airline they are buying.

It should be interesting to see how this all plays out in the end.



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User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9239 times:
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I chose to fly DL out of PIT because they offer the best flights to the destinations I need to go to. My fall back airline is B6. I had a lot of miles on US but since they scaled back in PIT I have not flown them. I fly between DAB and PIT on an almost monthly basis and there are only two carriers in DAB (US or DL) I still chose DL because of the better times and prices into PIT.

I also have the option of driving an hour to MCO to catch a direct flight on Southwest/AirTran to PIT or I can fly Spirit to LBE and pay more than flying DAB to PIT on DL (have to take gas, tolls, and parking into account when going to MCO).

Most people do not look at all the cost involved in travel but if they did they would realize that some airlines like Spirit are not so low-cost...

That is my opinion and based off of my travel experiences.



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User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9139 times:

Quoting dabpit (Reply 108):
. I fly between DAB and PIT on an almost monthly basis and there are only two carriers in DAB (US or DL)

Dont be supprised if you see a thrid airline at DAB in the near future  


User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9093 times:
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Quoting pit (Reply 109):
Dont be supprised if you see a thrid airline at DAB in the near future

I am aware of B6. The announcement will be made soon if DAB will be on their map but a few people at B6 are very optimistic.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 111, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9035 times:

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 98):

I think he's trying to say that it's more convient to fly out of LBE, you save way more money its more convient. Btw I don't think it's right that you go into the first class line unless your silver and up, it's very inappropriate. You need to respect the people who achieved that.

First if all you can't hate on an airline that you've never flown, that also is very disrespectful


User currently offlineJetBlue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8960 times:

Southwest737500:
Have u even been to Pittsburgh airport?
Or do have you read any of this forum?
Earlier others dissucced this topic and how at PIT there in no airline employees checking to see if your in first. This airport was built to be a "hub" so it includes simply things like first class lines for security which have no use today yet are still open. Also when you say you can't hate an airline you haven't been on how come you have a burning hate for AA when you have never stepped foot on an eagle or AA aircraft?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 113, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8647 times:

"Development in high gear at Pittsburgh International Airport site"
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...international-airport-site-680409/



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 114, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8625 times:

I didn't realize ACAA owns the land all the way on the other side of business 376?

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 115, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

They have quite a bit of land extending along the 28L/C and 32 final approach courses, up to a mile out.

http://vision.mindmatrix.net/knowlet...378&CFID=47267924&CFTOKEN=75259618

That is why it irks me that they developed land that was once intended to expand the airfield and aviation related facilities when all this land around the periphery of the airport could have served that purpose; yet most of it sits empty. Developing that land first would have benefited the ACAA just the same.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 116, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 112):

Yeah I've been here a lot actually flown in there more times than you  


User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 117, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8443 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 115):
That is why it irks me that they developed land that was once intended to expand the airfield and aviation related facilities when all this land around the periphery of the airport could have served that purpose; yet most of it sits empty. Developing that land first would have benefited the ACAA just the same.

Yea, they should allow only aviation related development on the property on the airport side of the highways and use the property on the other side of the highways for office buildings and such. Just curious which areas you are talking about that they developed on the airport side?


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 118, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8391 times:

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 112):

Oh yeah, please correct that, I've never hated AA! I just didn't like Tom Horton. So don't come on anet making fake accusations!


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 119, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8350 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 117):
Just curious which areas you are talking about that they developed on the airport side?

Primarily Dicks Sporting Goods, and the Airside Business Park (the non-aviation part such as offices for Baker Corp). All of that could have gone on the outside of the I-376 loop, yet remained on airport land so the ACAA still gets revenue from leases.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 120, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8209 times:

At least Dick's built a hangar to go with their HQ building. They have a small air force including a G650 on order, so they get a pass from me! I agree though that there is no reason for office buildings to be on the airport side. That land should be reserved for aviation related business. I'm sure the corporations chose that space though because it wasn't woods and was probably less expensive to build on.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 121, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day ago) and read 8173 times:

Chief Exec Fitzy continues to search for every opportunity to divert airport revenue away from the airport:

"Past discussion proposed extending a line along Route 65 and crossing the Ohio River en route to the airport, Fitzgerald said. He said officials would investigate whether it's possible to use any of the projected $500 million the county Airport Authority will get from natural-gas drilling at Pittsburgh International to develop a transit line to the airport. Federal rules require that money from the drilling lease with Cecil-based Consol Energy Inc. be used for airport-related purposes."
http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/3...4/north-million-rail#axzz2OPAHMzCm

I have no problem with airport revenues being used to build a station at the airport. Beyond that, it should not be up to the airport (and the airlines/users that fund it) to support local mass transit outside the airport boundary.

[Edited 2013-03-24 05:06:07]


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 122, posted (1 year 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 8029 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 121):
I have no problem with airport revenues being used to build a station at the airport. Beyond that, it should not be up to the airport (and the airlines/users that fund it) to support local mass transit outside the airport boundary.

Yeah, I'm with you there. The ACAA should just use the bulk of the cash and pay off the airport debt sooner rather than later. One, it's the sensible thing to do, and B they law requires it (or at least, doing so would comply with the law).

But no, this manure-spreading windbag would rather be a politician and do things his (the wrong) way...

The only thing I like about this guy is he seems to favor Peduto for Mayor. Other than that, eh...



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 119):

Isn't there also at least one office building by the Dick's location that is not owned by Dick's? Im thinking its on the B-376 side of the road that runs parallel to 28R/10L. Its been a while since i have been up in that area.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 124, posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

Does anyone really use the "T" here? There is a "T" stop near my house, and for the first time I thought it would be a good idea for my friends and I to take it from my house to the casino on New Years Eve. I had never ridden it before, so I looked into the schedule to and from the casino from South Hills. Well in typical backwards Pittsburgh fashion, the "T" quit running at 12:15 AM on New Years Eve! What kind of city would rather people drive on New Years Eve than have the public transportation take people home after 2 AM? The public transportation is a joke in this city. I don't understand why anyone would spend a penny on adding to it. What is the max speed of the "T" anyway, like 15 m.p.h.? Could you imagine how long that thing would take to get to the airport? You may as well drive to LBE if you are going to take the "T" anywhere. Before wasting money on this slow antiquated system, I would consider scrapping the whole thing and building a real subway that actually includes areas of the city that people go to such as Oakland and Shadyside.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 125, posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 123):

Isn't there also at least one office building by the Dick's location that is not owned by Dick's? Im thinking its on the B-376 side of the road that runs parallel to 28R/10L. Its been a while since i have been up in that area.

I'm really not aware of anything in that immediate area other than Dicks Sporting Goods.

Dicks is however planning on a major expansion of their already huge campus.



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 7985 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 125):
I'm really not aware of anything in that immediate area other than Dicks Sporting Goods.

Dicks is however planning on a major expansion of their already huge campus.

Yea same here. As far as I know there are 3 buildings there. 2 of the Dicks office buildings and the hangar.

I was wondering, does anyone know what sort of deal was made when Dicks was permitted to essentially connect their hangar to 28R.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 127, posted (1 year 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 7982 times:

Regarding light rail, there was a very detailed study some years ago about a multi-modal corridor between downtown and the airport. I can't remember if I posted the report in one of the previous PIT threads, so here it is:

http://www.spcregion.org/pdf/transstudies/airportmm_final.pdf

Of interest is a toll expressway that would go from Rt.65 a mile or so past the casino then across a new Ohio River bridge on or near Brunot Island and on to the airport where it would join the I-376 split. This was to be known as the "Airport Gateway project". Check out the map on page 66. The bridge and expressway would include right of way for rail transit and I assume cycling trail as well.

Since Rt 65 is already an expressway on that section of the north side, I think this would be a natural extension of that road, and would be an excellent bypass of the Ft. Pitt Tunnels. With Rt. 28 improvements underway, folks in the Allegheny Valley would also have a clear shot to the airport avoiding the Ft. Duquense and Ft. Pitt bridges, as well as the Ft. Pitt tunnels. The entire report is interesting and covers all sorts of issues in the corridor such as Rt. 51 flyover ramps at the bottom of Greentree Hill, expanding the Ft. Pitt tunnels, and more.




Speaking of non-aviation use on airport land, another thing I don't care about is the alignment of the Findlay Connector, and the convoluted ramps at the airport's front door. That area west of I-376 was also reserved for a new runway parallel to 32 at one point. At first it was to be 10,000', then scaled back to 8,300'. That can no longer happen because the new highway is in the way. Yes, I know the last thing PIT needs is more runways, but who knows what the demands will be in 30 years and beyond. It would be nice to have the capability if needed in the distant future.

But its more than the nixed runway. When the entire beltway is complete, it will end abruptly at the terminal instead of flowing smoothly into the other highways in the area. I imagine only a small percentage of users would actually need to enter the terminal, while everyone else would be forced to go about in a roundabout manner. I would have preferred if the Beltway joined I-376 further south. This would also flow nicely into the 'Gateway' Expressway (not that that will ever get built).

Here's a drawing illustrating what I would have done. I included the Gateway expressway as well.

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/pit2_zpsa6e1ef6d.jpg


Yes, I'm bored.



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User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Where do people spot at PIT?
I spot on a hill close to the end of 10L which has great views for rotation shots for planes taking off on 28R



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User currently offlineAGCPilot From United States of America, joined May 2007, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

I have been following this PIT thread for a while. Finally decided to jump in.

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 128):
Where do people spot at PIT?
I spot on a hill close to the end of 10L which has great views for rotation shots for planes taking off on 28R

It is a bit more difficult now then it used to be. When 32 was used heavily, I would sit in the parking lot of Scally's golf center by the driving range. It was great during the days when there would be 3 lined up on final.

Now if they are using the 28s I have parked in the lot for Coventry healt care. Its right near the MMJ vor and gives you a good look down 28L.


User currently offlinetooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7877 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 124):
Does anyone really use the "T" here?

Trib just ran a story on Sunday quoting Pittsburgh's Light Rail as having the 6th largest increase is ridership nationwide with 7.7 million riders in 2012. I don't disagree that the system needs expanded, but the part that exists is getting heavy usage...I take it every day and I am increasing surprised at how many people are using the expansion to the north shore. IMO it is all the more an indication that the expansion west needs to occur and the fact that gas revenue could pay for the anchor station at PIT and the system on airport property (of 20% as the feds will pick up the rest) could kick start that expansion.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2349 posts, RR: 38
Reply 131, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

I lived in Library and rode the T frequently. If I was going into town, about 70% of the time I would ride the T. I think an airport-city run would work. Not so much as for airport traffic (would work) but for commuters as well from the Coraopolis / Moon area. Ease up congestion on the parkway west.


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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 132, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

For spotting guide check :

http://tarmacphotos.com/PIT_Spotting_Guide.html

I haven't updated it to include the Sweeney Drive location off of Clinton Road for 10L arrivals. There is a cul-de-sac at the end of that road where you can park and spot. Don't go beyond the road where there are "no trespassing" signs posted by ACAA.

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 128):
I spot on a hill close to the end of 10L which has great views for rotation shots for planes taking off on 28R

For photography that can not be too good as the shots would be all backlit, unless you are on the airport side of 28R.

[Edited 2013-03-25 11:53:09]

[Edited 2013-03-25 11:55:45]

[Edited 2013-03-25 11:56:11]

[Edited 2013-03-25 11:56:33]

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 133, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7799 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 128):
Where do people spot at PIT?
I spot on a hill close to the end of 10L which has great views for rotation shots for planes taking off on 28R

That 10L spot is my favorite; when landing on 10L it doesn't get any better. The new bike trail makes access even better if you need to park at the terminal. Another great spot for 32 landings is the Resurrection Cemetery. For 28R landings there is a gravel lot at the intersections of Business 376 and Hangar Rd., or various lots at the Airside Business Park. 28L landings can be viewd from Coventry Healthcare as well as the new Pittsburgh Int'l Business Park along Cherrington Parkway. For 10R landings the rental car storage lots seem like it would offer good views although I've never gone in there.

Court Street, the new road between Int'l Drive and Dick's Sporting Goods has nice views along 28R/10L and distant views of the terminal. It even has a sidewalk, although you might have to park at Dicks and walk back out.

For ramp views you can drive all the way through Hangar Road and find little nooks and crannies, although I wouldn't stay for long as it looks suspicious. But areas to check out back here are the US Airways employee lot at their maintenance hangar. It sits on a bluff overlooking the ramp between their two largest hangars. Other areas are back by Republic's hangars (the double blue ones), and a small lot by Integrated Deicing (the old FBO). Views of Atlantic Aviation's ramp and rwy 14 movements can be had from the top of their garage, and a small parking lot in front of Cargo A.

I would think the "new" employee parking lot of the terminal has great views of the terminal. You would need an employee pass to park there. But I don't think there's anything stopping you from walking out there from the alternate security checkpoint. I don't park there so not 100% sure. Maybe one of the guys that works in the terminal can verify if one is free to walk out to the employee lot without requiring a badge to be swiped.

I haven't spotted in years other than an occasional shot I'll take while commuting to/from work, but I used to go to all these places while growing up (see photos in PIT Update Thread #23, and #15 for G-20 photos). These spots are all still there.

[Edited 2013-03-25 11:40:48]


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 134, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

"Marcellus Shale boom could restore link between Avoca airport, Pittsburgh"
http://citizensvoice.com/news/marcel...avoca-airport-pittsburgh-1.1462922



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 135, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7750 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 124):

Hey tarmac, I know we've gotten into a bit of an argument lately about airlines and their services, but I'm actually somewhat on-board with you here. That wasn't the first time that Port Authority left its riders stranded. Wasn't there a busy weekend last summer involving a Pirates game and at least one or two concerts? And wasn't the T non-operational at the time IIRC?

I'm thinking, and hoping, that as Pittsburgh becomes more and more of a 24-hour community, we might see later and later runs past 12 or even 1am, possibly 2am, which I think would make sense. For special events, such as New Years Eve, they really should have run extra trains after hours given the huge crowds that that event draws.

I, too, don't understand why it seems that Pittsburgh is more auto-centric than anything else. It's roads and freeway infrastructure is beyond suckish, so why do people insist on driving!?? Not to mention, it seems that people would rather not take the train to anywhere else as well. They'd rather fly, drive, or resort to "hobos R us" that is Greyhound or Megabus. I seriously hope Pittsburgh's demographic is going to change enough that it would support more rail transportation. It's only a matter of time before we look at better transit service...

Tooluther, could you post that article? Did I read correctly that Pittsburgh's LRT system handled 7.7 million pax in a year? That translates to only 21k riders per day. I thought the system would be handling close to 30k riders if not more...



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7737 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 135):
That wasn't the first time that Port Authority left its riders stranded. Wasn't there a busy weekend last summer involving a Pirates game and at least one or two concerts? And wasn't the T non-operational at the time IIRC?

I think it was a weekend where there were multiple events on the North Shore and the first event after the new station was open. I think people don't use the "T" more because it doesn't go anywhere people want to go. If it would hit every neighborhood like Shadyside, Oakland, the entire length of Carson Street ect. and run later, I'm sure it would be used by the younger crowd. As of now, its only good for taking people from a few neighborhoods in the South Hills to work in downtown. Also, as I have said before, the "T" is ridiculously slow. It equates to horse and buggy speeds. It isn't even close to any subway system in any city I've ever visited. I enjoy going to other cities and leaving my car at the hotel and taking the subway everywhere.


User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 137, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 133):
That 10L spot is my favorite; when landing on 10L it doesn't get any better. The new bike trail makes access even better if you need to park at the terminal.

Which spot are you talking about?


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 138, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7645 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 137):
Which spot are you talking about?

The area of Clinton Rd that goes right past the 10L threshold. There's a couple elevated bluffs which offer views down the runway. Here's a few examples I took back in the day to hopefully give a better idea of where I'm taking about:

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/SCAN0050.jpg
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/1111.jpg
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/160-1.jpg
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/SCAN0078.jpg
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/SCAN0084.jpg

That last shot was a bit of a rarity, as departing off 10L is a very rare event. IIRC, that section of Clinton Road was closed when they built Dick's Sporting Goods campus. To be honest, I'm not sure if it's still closed to cars but with the new trail it should be accessible again, at least on foot. Based on the map below, the trail goes right through that area.



Here's the full article:
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...tour-trail-set-for-opening-220988/

http://linkup.shaw-weil.com/airportconnector.htm



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 139, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 138):
To be honest, I'm not sure if it's still closed to cars but with the new trail it should be accessible again, at least on foot. Based on the map below, the trail goes right through that area.

That road is closed now. Where do you get on that trail? I'd like to check that out on foot one day the 10's are in use. As I said earlier there is a culd-de-sac at the end of Sweeney Road off of Clinton that gives good spotting for 10L arrivals.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 140, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 139):
That road is closed now. Where do you get on that trail? I'd like to check that out on foot one day the 10's are in use. As I said earlier there is a culd-de-sac at the end of Sweeney Road off of Clinton that gives good spotting for 10L arrivals.

You can access it straight from the airport parking lot or Clinton Rd. The second link I posted has a pretty good map. Its a much closer location than Sweeney Rd.





The latest on the SOC straight from Parker. Employees seem to be Texas bound. I wonder if and how they will handle the incentives US Airways received to build that.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-operations-control-center-680799/

http://triblive.com/business/headlin...rways-center-control#axzz2ObhE84xr

Renewed hope for the MFE/Southern beltway;
http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yo...-turnpike-expressway#axzz2ObhE84xr



Looks like the planned 7th daily American Eagle flight to ORD won't be happening until later in the year if at all, however they will be upgrading one of the flights to a CR7 with business class.

[Edited 2013-03-25 19:26:47]


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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 141, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 138):


The last time I was up in that area and was actually pulled off the road to watch was a long long long time ago. And when I was there it was always at sunset or was already dark out (my dad couched a softball team which played in the sports complex at the top of Clinton road behind the EMT station at night).

However, am I correct in remembering the pull off on the airport side of Clinton road was directly in line with the runway and approach lighting or was it further south which allowed a view on an angle like in your first shot?

In my head I have a memory of being able to look perfectly straight down the runway and I remember a plane flying directly over me.

As for other spots, when I have my car serviced at Kenny Ross which is next to the Arby's now, I will take my camera and walk up the street and sit in the parking lot there on the corner of B-376 and University Blvd, which now has new cars parked in it. The planes fly directly overhead there.

I have also gone into the back parking lot of Eat N' Park which is next to the old abandoned hotel and spotted up there. The only time I did that however, as I was walking out I noticed there was an airport security guard parked at the front of the parking lot in an unmarked truck watching me and was on the radio talking. My guess was the guy who worked at Eat 'n Park and was out smoking as I walked by called me in.

However, I stayed in open view the entire time so they didn't even approach me but I don't know if that was just lucky timing of me leaving or not because I cant tell you how long he was sitting there watching as I didn't notice until I was leaving. However, its a really neat place to sit and watch as you get a perfect clear view down to the 28R threshold and when the planes are on very short final, they are nearly at eye level with completely unobstructed view.

Also, I have spotted at the business park right off Thorn Run Road, which the planes come directly overhead there as well.

Another place that I found during Wings Over Pittsburgh, but would not try to go to during normal ops without getting approval from the airport, as its in a very suspicious looking location to passersby, is again at the corner of B-376 and University Blvd behind the row of hedges on the Atlantic Aviation side of B-376. When spotting here, you can again get a nice side profile of the aircraft, however, your limited in the number of photos per plane because the telephone lines are in the pictures most of the time IIRC.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 142, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 141):

However, am I correct in remembering the pull off on the airport side of Clinton road was directly in line with the runway and approach lighting or was it further south which allowed a view on an angle like in your first shot?

The area was pretty broad; you could position yourself to be directly under the flight path or move more to the south allowing for side views.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 143, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7556 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 141):
As for other spots

Any of those spots would be backlit for photography though. It is much better to go across B-376 and spot 28R arrivals in the Airside Business Park parking lots.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 140):
The latest on the SOC straight from Parker. Employees seem to be Texas bound. I wonder if and how they will handle the incentives US Airways received to build that.

Does US own that property and building, or is it leased from ACAA? I wonder if something can be done with this to lure Peoples here if they ever get off the ground.

[Edited 2013-03-25 23:53:33]

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 144, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 143):
Does US own that property and building, or is it leased from ACAA? I wonder if something can be done with this to lure Peoples here if they ever get off the ground.

The building was built by US Airways on land owned and leased from the ACAA. The article I linked above has since been updated and expanded:

"To win the bid, the state and the county provided a $16.25 million incentive package that included $3 million in state and county grants, $12.5 million in loans and $750,000 in state tax credits tied to the number of jobs created by the project. The $25 million center was built by US Airways on land leased from the county. The airline agreed to a 20-year lease with two 10-year options."
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...ways-moon-center-may-close-680893/

Considering how tight the office market is in Pittsburgh, I would just continue the lease agreements and sublease the space if I were US Airways. But yes, it sure would be great to get PeoplExpress off the ground and into some of that space.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 145, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7450 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 136):
Also, as I have said before, the "T" is ridiculously slow. It equates to horse and buggy speeds.

I disagree...

Horse and buggy would be faster!

I never understood why in the hell the T is slower than a walking pace. I've seen a few recent articles about how slow the system is, and yet there doesn't seem to be any talk of how to improve it. I rode on the new extension, and I don't think the speed got up above 10 mph at all! We kept stopping and starting every 20 feet or so. Topping out at a speed of 30 or 40 would be nice; the top speed of those CAF light rail cars is up around 50, maybe 55. I rode on the Market-Frankford line as well as the PATCO speed line in Philly, and those trains are pretty swift, traveling at speeds of around 30 or 40 in the tunnels, while the PATCO train tops out at about 50 or 55 in New Jersey.

My parents live in Baldwin, and I actually timed a drive from there to PIT. It's roughly 20 minutes, about the same amount of time to go from Gateway Center to the airport (given perfectly clear traffic conditions, which doesn't always happen!). If they do extend the T to the airport, You'll be lucky to get there in 30 to 45 minutes given how slow the system is!

I agree with you. What this city calls a subway is a joke. Something needs to be done about it. When planning out new routes, they should consider routes that will generate the most ridership and/or favor the best land development (T.O.D)...

Regarding those pics from 10L, is that a BA 752?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 146, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7181 times:

"US Airways offers severance to 300 nonunion workers at flight operations center in Moon"
http://triblive.com/business/headlin...airways-jobs-workers#axzz2ObhE84xr

So much for a decision being two years away.



FLYi
User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 147, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 146):
So much for a decision being two years away.

I guess you can't blame them for picking the ops center at DFW, but they should have to repay the government subsidies to the taxpayers here since the jobs are not staying as was agreed.


User currently offlinetooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7034 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 147):
I guess you can't blame them for picking the ops center at DFW, but they should have to repay the government subsidies to the taxpayers here since the jobs are not staying as was agreed

Apparently (and I would like to see this confirmed by the state) the subsidies accepted were WAY less than originally decided. From the Trib today:

Quote:
Although US Airways was offered $16.25 million in local and state incentives to build the flight operations center near Pittsburgh International Airport, it accepted from the state a $1.25 million infrastructure development grant, $2 million in opportunity grants and $750,000 in tax credits, according to the state Department of Community and Economic Development.

Read more: http://triblive.com/business/headlin...airways-state-county#ixzz2OvvqDpBU

The infrastructure money probably can't be recouped since there is building there; the opportunity grants DO have a penalty, but only if the jobs last less than five years...which won't be the case here by the time everything is finalized.

I know it is crass for us to be discussing the livelihood of others, but fighting for the ops center is clearly a loosing proposition. Better to use its loss as leverage to keep the maintenance jobs IMO.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 149, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6960 times:

The more I look at this, I think Pittsburgh is actually coming out ahead in this deal:

"When US Airways built the operations control center in Moon Township, the cost was $32.1 million. US Airways' portion was about $29 million, Lehmacher said. US Airways received $3 million to $4 million in state grants, as well as tax credits tied to the number of jobs created. The airline has fully lived up to the terms of those agreements," Lehmacher said. "No additional subsidies or grant money was ever received."
http://www.philly.com/philly/busines..._Pittsburgh_operations_center.html

I'm still shocked the SOC didn't go to either PHX or CLT in the first place after they merged with America West. In the meantime US Airways built the region a $29 million office building with their own funds; a building which will undoubtedly not sit unused for long considering the demand for Class A office space. Some of the Facebook comments at the end of these articles about how US Airways is "once again screwing over the region" are nonsense.



FLYi
User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 150, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 138):
That last shot was a bit of a rarity, as departing off 10L is a very rare event. IIRC, that section of Clinton Road was closed when they built Dick's Sporting Goods campus. To be honest, I'm not sure if it's still closed to cars but with the new trail it should be accessible again, at least on foot. Based on the map below, the trail goes right through that area.

Well I checked this location out Saturday afternoon. I parked in the extended term parking lot where there are signs directing you to the trail entrance. From the parking lot, you cross over the airport road in the area right before the parking lot exit and toll booths. The beginning of the trail is clearly marked, and does not say anything about not being able to loiter or walk the trail on foot. The only thing the signs prohibited was vehicles other than airport or emergency vehicles. It was about a 5-7 minute walk to the area closest to RWY 10L. There is a vehicle gate right before the RWY 10L flight path. The signs indicate that you can bypass the gate, if you are using the trail. If you chose to go through the gate, you can go directly underneath the 10L approach path very close to the pre threshold area. I chose to stay South of the gate to take photos of the arriving aircraft as the airport was in East operations. This is the best spot to view 10L arrivals and 28R departures, and is the spot where people used to go in the past when Clinton Road was open to vehicle traffic. There are several large concrete blocks on the side of the trail you can stand on to avoid having the fence get in your pictures. I was there for about an hour and a half and was able to view 10L arrivals and 28R departures since they switched to West operations while I was there. Only two pedalcyclists came past while I was there and no police or airport personnel. I did wear my airport badge just incase someone stopped me, but I imagine since the trail is open to the public and obviously not in the S.I.D.A. area there should not be any problems with spotting there as long as you stay on the trail. As with anywhere else on airport property, you can be stopped and questioned so be respectful and use common sense.


User currently offlinetooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

PIT logistics question for the experts:

I've never been through customs at PIT, but I am thinking about taking the CDG flight in August. I am trying to drag a buddy of mine who lives in Houston with me.

I assume there is no official way to get a DL CDG-PIT UA PIT-IAH ticket. So what would happen to him if he wanted to check bags from Paris when he gets to Pittsburgh if he were to book separate tickets. WORSE, what would happen if he tried to do this with a WN ticket from PIT-HOU.

I assume US used to have bag re-check desks down at International Arrivals, and I guess Delta has to do it now as you can't take you baggage without back into the Airside Terminal if it is checked all the way through???

Any advice on how this all works at PIT now that it is all O/D traffic?


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 152, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

Quoting tooluther (Reply 151):

When he checks his luggage at CDG, I would think he should be able to interline his luggage from Delta through to United or Southwest via PIT.

Alternately just check it to PIT and pick it up in customs when clearing at PIT. Take it straight to the IAH gate and have them gate check it. No need to go to the landside terminal.



"Airport authority gets $35K grant to partner with Spirit Airlines, others on touting Highlands"
http://triblive.com/news/westmorelan...and-ligonier-tourism#axzz2PSJCOiXv



FLYi
User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 153, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Even if you had a connecting flight in PIT, you will still need to clear customs with your baggage first. International arrivals can not have bags checked "all the way through" to your final destination. You can then re-check them on your next carrier land side.

User currently offlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

American announces new service on the Pittsburgh-Los Angeles route:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...tinations-this-year-202326051.html

I wonder if this means that they'll have to replace a PIT-DFW frequency due to the restrictions in their ground handling contract.


User currently offlinetooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 155, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

Business Times incorrectly reporting this as the only service PIT-LAX non-stop.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...h-los-angeles-nonstop-flights.html

United is still bookable on the route on 8/27...at least for now it is


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 156, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 154):
I wonder if this means that they'll have to replace a PIT-DFW frequency due to the restrictions in their ground handling contract

I don't see this as being an issue with the merger being wrapped up by then.

The biz journal article has been updated to correct the omission of United's LAX service. Also, it now states the AA service will be daily, using 738s.

"The one-flight-a-day in either direction will be daily and run for the foreseeable future, according to an American Airlines spokesman. The flight leaves Los Angeles at 8:10 a.m. Pacific time and arrives in Pittsburgh at 3:45 p.m. Eastern time; the return flight leaves Pittsburgh at 4:30 p.m. and arrives at 6:50 p.m. Pacific time.

American's service will be in addition to the several times a week service that United Airlines has between Pittsburgh and Los Angeles. It's also part of only a handful of nonstops between Pittsburgh and the West Coast.

American's flights from Pittsburgh International Airport and Los Angeles International Airport will begin Tuesday, Aug. 27, and can be booked beginning Sunday.

The flights will be made on a Boeing 737 twin jet.
"
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...h-los-angeles-nonstop-flights.html


Great news for PIT; and another predicted route coming to fruition.

[Edited 2013-04-10 13:04:09]


FLYi
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 157, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

UA route is going to probably drop that route soon

User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 158, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 154):
I wonder if this means that they'll have to replace a PIT-DFW frequency due to the restrictions in their ground handling contract.

This should be moot as the New American won't have the same contract right?