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Jetairfly (Tui)'s Use Of E190  
User currently offlineEltomzo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 67 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6077 times:

I was surprised to see this company operates an E190. I haven't seen a European charter airline operating regional aircraft before. Then I saw this:

Jetairfly chairman Elie Bruyninckx said, “With the E-190, we can reduce the number of costly triangle and intermediate-stop flights that are necessary with our larger airplanes to consolidate loads in smaller markets. That means more nonstop flights and shorter travel times for our passengers.”

Does this mean that the Embraers will be used as feeders to the airport's hubs? If so, is this the first example of a charter airline operating an (embryonic) hub and spoke system?


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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

Quoting Eltomzo (Thread starter):
Does this mean that the Embraers will be used as feeders to the airport's hubs?

No, it means that instead of having a 738 operating BRU-AGA-RAK-BRU they will now have the E190 operating BRU-AGA-BRU and BRU-RAK-BRU.

Quoting Eltomzo (Thread starter):
If so, is this the first example of a charter airline operating an (embryonic) hub and spoke system?

No.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5893 times:

Quoting Eltomzo (Thread starter):
Does this mean that the Embraers will be used as feeders to the airport's hubs? If so, is this the first example of a charter airline operating an (embryonic) hub and spoke system?

No it is means the Belgium market for TUi Package holidays is somewhat limited in size, even to the Spanish hotspots.
They have to combine flights over Ostend and Liege with Brussels, on one end, or do multiple stops around the Greek Isles and Morocco for instance.
They can also tailor some of the smaller markets such as Dalmatian coast resorts where the B738 are just too much capacity.
Further they also operate a from a few small northern French markets again where Corsair are too large.

These Regional Jets will allow more point to point round trip operations and they are NOT creating a Hub and spoke least not in their Belgian operations.


User currently offlinemrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1672 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

Also, there is nothing regional about these jets. Unless your region is 2000nm wide...  

User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2399 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5431 times:

They plan to use them on many different routes, right now they are scheduled to operate to AJA, ALC, LEI, ATH, BIA, CTA, DJE, DBV, NBE, FAO, GRO, IBZ, XRY, CFU, LDE, AGP, MAH, NAP, OHD, OLB, PMO, PMI, PRN, REU, SKP, TIA and ZTH according to our database. All from Brussels.


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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Flybe use their E195's on IT charters on summer weekends, mainly from BHX, to Croatia and elsewhere.

User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

So no plans on visiting the Canary islands then, What reg is it out of interest?


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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 6):
What reg is it out of interest?

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User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 456 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4574 times:
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Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 4):
They plan to use them on many different routes, right now they are scheduled to operate to AJA, ALC, LEI, ATH, BIA, CTA, DJE, DBV, NBE, FAO, GRO, IBZ, XRY, CFU, LDE, AGP, MAH, NAP, OHD, OLB, PMO, PMI, PRN, REU, SKP, TIA and ZTH according to our database. All from Brussels.
So about half of these destinations make sense, the other half doesn't. I was expecting they would deploy the E190 on OST and LGG outbound flights so they can use the 737s of OST/LGG at BRU/CRL...


I think the E190 is a good aircraft to replace some routes during the low season but deploying an E190 on BRU-PMI/AGP/ATH/FAO (high season) sounds unrealistic. Anyway the E190 looks good with Jetairfly/TUI livery!

Photoshooter

[Edited 2013-02-28 04:56:30]


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User currently offlineaxelesgg From Sweden, joined Jan 2010, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Quoting Eltomzo (Thread starter):

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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3852 times:
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I'm booked on Jetairfly in the summer EDI-PIM and had hoped that I might get another ride on an E190 which is an aircraft I love.

But it looks like I'll be on the good old 738. Yawn.

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User currently offlineavroarrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

As axelesgg says, they used to have the F100 as well, there is even a cockpit video program featuring a flight in it to Nador. Air Canada also uses the E jets to do vacation charters, since they are well suited/designed for short to mid length thin routes.


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User currently offlineTomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 8):
So about half of these destinations make sense, the other half doesn't. I was expecting they would deploy the E190 on OST and LGG outbound flights so they can use the 737s of OST/LGG at BRU/CRL...

The poster of the destinations probably didn't add these destinations depend on season. You'd suppose IBZ is not as busy in the winter season as it is in the summer season for instance  .



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 12):
You'd suppose IBZ is not as busy in the winter season as it is in the summer season for instance

Almost no charters to Ibiza from anywhere between November and May - The isle hibernates !


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

I think they will more fly from Liège and Ostend than from BRU. They may also fly some routes out of Charleroi and from Morocco for the ex-Jet4You  

User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 456 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3433 times:
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Quoting rutankrd (Reply 13):
Quoting Tomskii (Reply 12):
You'd suppose IBZ is not as busy in the winter season as it is in the summer season for instance

Almost no charters to Ibiza from anywhere between November and May - The isle hibernates !

I was about to say the same... I doubt they fly to IBZ during the low season. All I am saying is that I'm a bit surprised they are not basing it in OST/LGG with lower costs and not difficult to fill them. The F100 they had was a frequent visitor in OST/LGG/CRL as well, or even based there for a period.

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 14):
I think they will more fly from Liège and Ostend than from BRU. They may also fly some routes out of Charleroi and from Morocco for the ex-Jet4You  

Jet4You had quite some flights from Morocco to other places in Europe.. JAF seems to be interested in doing the same but limited and only within The Netherlands - Belgium - France.



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Why limited to NL-B-F ? The opensky agreement allow any European airline to establish routes to/from Morocco with no regards to registration or country of origin... confirm ?!

User currently onlinestarrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

No legal reason why not but it's probably to avoid treading on the other parts of the TUI group...

User currently offlineTomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 15):
I was about to say the same... I doubt they fly to IBZ during the low season. All I am saying is that I'm a bit surprised they are not basing it in OST/LGG with lower costs and not difficult to fill them. The F100 they had was a frequent visitor in OST/LGG/CRL as well, or even based there for a period.

I would not underestimate loads at LGG nor OST (but more on LGG). The few times I flew them out of LGG (it's not that far for me) the flights were pretty full. That's high season of course but there are a lot of walloons liking the fact to fly out closer to home in a less busy airport than BRU or CRL.  



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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

Well it passed through LPA on delivery yesterday....be interesting to see if more follow if it works out well.
Might other parts of the TUI group also be interested...



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 1963 times:
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How many seats does this bird have? 100 or 110-114?


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User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 456 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 1926 times:
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Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 19):
be interesting to see if more follow if it works out well.

I believe they ordered two E190s... Stay tuned  .

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 20):
How many seats does this bird have? 100 or 110-114?

112 seats on OO-JEM. That sounds a bit tight for me on a 2.5-3 hour flight... Seat pitch must be 29'' inch or less.



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