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AA Slot Divestment At JFK  
User currently offlinedirtyfrankd From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 196 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10121 times:

This has been talked about before on this forum but for the life of me I can't seem to find the thread. I remember reading that AA offloaded several of its slots at JFK in the past. Does anyone have specifics on this? When this happened, how many slots, why, etc.?

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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9937 times:

AA has also bought JFK slots from others, most recently B6 when they announced their interline agreement.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9705 times:
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AA is in growth mode at JFK not downsizing. Sure they are stopping some Caribean routes but Terminal 8 is going to be one happy Oneworld family under one AA controlled roof.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9566 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
e they are stopping some Caribean routes

Tthey dumped a ton of flying to the Caribbean over the past 10 years:

SA)">AA / TWA's JFK-Caribbean flights 2001:

JFK-
ANU 1 M80 (SA)- AUA 1 A300- BDA 1 757, 1 762- BGI 1 762- CUN 1 M80- FPO 1 M80- KIN 1 738- MBJ 1 757- NAS 1 M80- PAP 1 A300- PLS 1 738 (SA)- POP 1 A300, 1 762, 2 757- PUJ 1 M80- SDQ 3 A300, 1 762, 1 757- SJU 5 A300, 6 757- STT 757- SXM 1 757-

Let's also not forget their Regional flying they dumped.

SA)">AA / TWA JFK Regional 2001:

JFK-
ALB 4 SF3- BDL 4 SF3- BOS 3 ERJ, 10 SF3- BUF 6 SF3- BWI 6 SF3- CLE 1 ERJ, 2 SF3- DCA 5 ERJ, 5 SF3- ORH 1 SF3- PIT 4 SF3- PVD 5 SF3-RDU 6 SF3- ROC 5 SF3- SYR 3 SF3- YUL 5 SF3-



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1526 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9167 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
AA has also bought JFK slots from others, most recently B6 when they announced their interline agreement.

They leased slots from JetBlue at JFK, in response, B6 got 1 flight from HPN and DCA slots. No sales, just leases.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8857 times:

Quoting dirtyfrankd (Thread starter):

AA cut most the the eagle regional flying(listed by STT) but I don't believe that JFK/EWR were under the current slot program at the time.

AA has also cut back on some of the Caribbean flying thanks to the growth of LCCs. (mostly B6)



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 5):
AA cut most the the eagle regional flying(listed by STT) but I don't believe that JFK/EWR were under the current slot program at the time.

Correct. Slots went in effect full time when B6 and DL built up in the mid 2000s. Prior to that, they were only in effect in the evening rush hours.

AA had around 100 flights. B6 and DL were slightly less.

In short time, B6 shot up to 160 flights and DL shot up to 200.

That basically where we stand today: B6 holding around 160 slots, Delta holding 200 slots and AA around 100.

AA continues to shrink, and will lose the slots if they do not ramp up soon. They have to be used a percentage of the time


User currently offlinecorinthians From United States of America, joined May 2008, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):
Correct. Slots went in effect full time when B6 and DL built up in the mid 2000s. Prior to that, they were only in effect in the evening rush hours.

Actually, the FAA lifted slots completely in 2007 (it was slotted in the evening hours before, but this rule expired). They only re-introduced slots in 2008 after delays got really bad in the summer of '07.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

You're correct.

I figured I'd keep it less complicated because it was such a short period

Afternoon slots -> No Slots-> All slots


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):
You're correct.

I figured I'd keep it less complicated because it was such a short period

Afternoon slots -> No Slots-> All slots

So as we stand today JFK is slot controlled 24/7? I thought it was only 2pm-10pm or something along those lines.



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1526 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Heres the current slot information.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

What are the differences between JFK and Reagan, that justifies why slots can be sold/bought at one but not the other?


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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 10):
Heres the current slot information.

Thank you very much!! Ive been looking for something like that to reference.



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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):

I understand the point you were making with your post, but AA/AE still flies several of the routes you mentioned with similar equipment/frequency. For example, ANU, CUN, BGI, STT, SXM, DCA, and YUL.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
SA)">AA / TWA's JFK-Caribbean flights 2001:

JFK-
ANU 1 M80 (SA)- AUA 1 A300- BDA 1 757, 1 762- BGI 1 762- CUN 1 M80- FPO 1 M80- KIN 1 738- MBJ 1 757- NAS 1 M80- PAP 1 A300- PLS 1 738 (SA)- POP 1 A300, 1 762, 2 757- PUJ 1 M80- SDQ 3 A300, 1 762, 1 757- SJU 5 A300, 6 757- STT 757- SXM 1 757-

Why are slamming AA for a business decision TWA made ? In case you forgot, TWA had a hub in San Juan before they were sold to AA. AA has no more A300 and JB is owning the Caribean, AA is foscusing places A320 can't fly to like Brazil.


User currently offlinecorinthians From United States of America, joined May 2008, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 11):
What are the differences between JFK and Reagan, that justifies why slots can be sold/bought at one but not the other?

From what I understand, DCA's rules are permanent and the NYC ones are more of a temporary nature that keep getting extended. The FAA hasn't come up with a permanent set of rules for the NYC airports yet.


User currently offlinecorinthians From United States of America, joined May 2008, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Another thing about Reagan’s slots…it’s capped at 67 movements an hour, but maybe 50-60 of those slots are for commercial aviation (commuter and mainline) - I don’t know the exact numbers. The rest are for general aviation aircraft, whose numbers have fallen off a cliff since 9/11. Those general aviation slots are essentially unused and haven’t been allocated to airlines. So, it’s generally under capacity for much for the day.

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