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Most Expensive Landing Fees In North America  
User currently offlinejethawk From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 21 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 22323 times:

I know there are other threads discussing landing fees, but they seem outdated. Does anyone have a list of the most expensive landing fees in North America or for the US?


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User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 22135 times:

I know #1 is YYZ... most expensive airport to fly into in North America.

User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9102 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 22059 times:

My guess would be any carrier, could run a small country for the small number of movements they serve.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21926 times:

Figures will need to be provided, e.g. price per tonne and per passenger. Airport websites, or annual reports, normally have them somewhere. Without it, it's pretty much meaningless.

[Edited 2013-02-28 01:19:10]


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User currently offlinebraniff722 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21907 times:

KSHV is in the top 7 or so!

And because of that, it has literally killed this market, passenger-wise. The cost of flying in and out of KSHV is pathetic and its been a major issues with Ark-La-Tex passengers and local government officials for years, but as usual, nothing ever gets done or resolved. KSHV airport authority and the crooks that serve on it, are a joke!

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User currently offlineb777erj145 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21115 times:

I think bigger the airport is higher the cost is

User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20909 times:

IAD has some of the most expensive real estate in the U.S.

User currently offlineMIflyer12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20778 times:

Quoting braniff722 (Reply 4):
Figures will need to be provided, e.g. price per tonne and per passenger. Airport websites, or annual reports, normally have them somewhere. Without it, it's pretty much meaningless.

Arguments do benefit from verifiable information.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6043 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20733 times:

I would think that given the size of the airport, and the traffic that flies in, that Catalina Island (AVX) would be pretty expensive.


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User currently offlineN747PE From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20144 times:

We only fly cargo in C208/B's but if you go by price per pound some of the fee's we have to pay are awful MRY AND SBA come to mind but I will have our top ten for California tomorrow  

User currently offlinecanadianpylon From Canada, joined May 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19670 times:

Quoting jethawk (Thread starter):

I know there are other threads discussing landing fees, but they seem outdated. Does anyone have a list of the most expensive landing fees in North America or for the US?

I don't know if you will find a cross comparison that can answer this question. Some of the smaller airports may charge more per 1000lb of MTOW/MLW simply because of the size of the aircraft that land there. If you were to extrapolate that cost to the MTOW/MLW of a 747-8i, per say, it would appear to be the most expensive airport in the world.

I remember reading that YYZ was the 2nd most airport in the world to land a 747 after NRT. I also know that YYZ has revised their landing fee and terminal fee schedule.

Also, how landing fees are calculated is different from country to country and airport to airport. For example I know many airports charge a fee based on Maximum Take off Weight, and others based on Maximum Landing Weight. Another significant change is gate rent. I think for many airports in the USA, an airline leases a gate and pays per square foot of gate space. I think this is how Southwest determines that a minimum of 8 flights per day per station to be cost-effective. Many, if not all, of the airports in Canada pay a gate fee per use depending on the number of seats on the aircraft. For example, all of the gates at YWG are common use, and charged this way.

A long story short, what may appear to be a high landing fee can be offset by lower gate rent charges, and vice versa. You have to look at the whole picture.



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User currently offlinerOw44SeAtK From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19624 times:

Well here some specific landing fees for MIA & FLL.

MIA - Average Cost per Passenger (FY 2013) - $20.56, plus $1.75 per 1K pounds of landed weight.

FLL - A.C.P. - $5.34, plus $2.11 (currently) per 1K pounds of landed weight. (Expected to drop to $1.24 once new south runway is completed)

No wonder a majority of the LCC's call on FLL.



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User currently offlineLemmy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19211 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):

I would think that given the size of the airport, and the traffic that flies in, that Catalina Island (AVX) would be pretty expensive.

KAVX costs $25.



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User currently offlinenovak500 From Canada, joined Dec 2007, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19114 times:

My question about landing fees is this? Are the types of fee’s charged by airports standard (so we can compare apples to apples), or do some airports landing fees include things that other airports would have a separate fee for? I seem to remember reading something (sorry can’t recall where or if it was even correct) but the landing fees at YYZ included things that other airports would charge additional fees to the airline.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6043 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18693 times:

Quoting Lemmy (Reply 12):

KAVX costs $25.

Which doesn't seem like a lot, but is a lot for a 172 (especially considering that they could land on the mainland for free.)



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 17602 times:

Quoting b777erj145 (Reply 5):
I think bigger the airport is higher the cost is

I do not know how all Canadian, Mexican and Central American airports are funded but most are self funding. All in the USA that accept federal funds are self funding, which is every scheduled commercial airport except for I think BKG. The management of the airport (usually municipalities) can add funds to the airport but cannot take revenue from it. Funds generated by the airport have to be used for the airport.

The result is that landing fees are usually balanced between airport capital expenses and the amount of traffic. Some airports have high capital expenses but have moderate fees because of large amounts traffic. Some airports with more moderate expenses have high fees because traffic declined or they overbuilt too far ahead of future flights. Some GA airports have extremely low fees because they have not built anything in years.

Some overcrowded airports get worse because their lack of investment led to lower fees, making them more attractive. Others that overspent go into death spirals, driving away traffic through higher fees which leads to even higher fees due to the diminished traffic.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16885 times:

The fees for YYZ are:
General terminal for international arrivals - $6.34/seat
Landing fee for aircraft in excess of 19,000kg - $25.00
Gate charge (jetbridge) - $100/operation
Variable gate charge (jetbridge) - $2.80/seat
Gate occupancy fee (jetbridge) - $100/15 minutes
Landing fees for fixed wing aircraft of 19,000kg or less during peak hours - $145.00
Non-peak hours - $82.50

For YUL:
Jet or turboprop: $9.09/1000kg (based on MTOW); minimum charge of $54.50
Transborder terminal charge: $20.79/enplaned passenger
International terminal charge: $17.99/enplaned passenger

For YVR:
Jet: $3.65/kg under 21,000 kg MTOW
$4.63/kg between 21,001-45,000 kg MTOW
$5.47/kg above 45,001 kg
Landing fees (excl. 0730-1030 Sat and Sun): $35.10
Terminal fees vary depending on the number of seats on the aircraft. $437.36 for international flight on an aircraft with 46-60 seats, $699.92 between 61-89, $3,018.75 for between 301-400 seats.

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User currently offlineIBOAviator From Canada, joined Sep 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16642 times:

Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 10):
I remember reading that YYZ was the 2nd most airport in the world to land a 747 after NRT.

Wonder how much it costs EK to land the whale, gate, deplane pax at YYZ? Probably more money than I made last year in total.

Further, I was reading the published airport fees for YYZ on their website (http://www.torontopearson.com/uploadedFiles/B2B/Content/Business_Opportunities/Aeronautical%20Fees.pdf) and I have a few questions:
1) I am having a hard time actually navigating this page, not surprisingly. For example, how much would it cost to land a non-rev twin on a Friday afternoon, park at the Esso FBO and then depart again on Sunday.

2) Why don't they have a more streamlined fee schedule? Like a single landing/gate fee for aircraft?

Regards,
IBO



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User currently offlineIBOAviator From Canada, joined Sep 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16559 times:

I guess I don't have an appreciation for how high landing fees can get. For example, I pay a mere 10$ (and only if the controller is in a bad mood) when I land a Cessna at YWG. Now obviously this is a cessna and not a Boeing but still, it seems that landing a Cessna in YYZ would cost upwards of 100$.  Wow!

Regards,
IBO



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4001 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16410 times:
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Quoting AADC10 (Reply 15):
The management of the airport (usually municipalities) can add funds to the airport but cannot take revenue from it. Funds generated by the airport have to be used for the airport.

If they run an airport system, instead of just a single airport (a la Houston or Las Vegas), can the funds be transferred from one airport to another or do they have to be spent at the airport where they were collected?



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16023 times:

There was an article a few years ago in the Chicago Tribune, showing how the increases by the City of Chicago had made ORD one of the most expensive airports in the U.S. I seem to recall that the three most expensive, and not in any particular order, were EWR, ORD, and SFO.

At ORD, it was a bit of a vicious circle. Since passenger traffic was down, UA and AA switched a lot of mainline flights to RJs. Because of fewer people in the terminals, concession revenue was down. Because of the RJs, landing fees were down.

So, landing fees went up. Needless to say, AA was increasing the size of the DFW hub (among the cheapest landing fees of the larger airports), and UA was standing pat.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15899 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 2):
My guess would be any carrier, could run a small country for the small number of movements they serve.

I don't qiite follow that statement.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15768 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 15):
The result is that landing fees are usually balanced between airport capital expenses and the amount of traffic.

yes

Quoting Lemmy (Reply 12):
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):

I would think that given the size of the airport, and the traffic that flies in, that Catalina Island (AVX) would be pretty expensive.

KAVX costs $25.
Quoting b777erj145 (Reply 5):
I think bigger the airport is higher the cost is

Not at all. Depends on operating costs divided by operation level...essentially. A small airport could be expensive or cheap. Same for a large. It would be fairer to say that airports with newer facilities cost more than airports with older facilities. "New" is more expensive.

Quoting novak500 (Reply 13):
My question about landing fees is this? Are the types of fee’s charged by airports standard (so we can compare apples to apples), or do some airports landing fees include things that other airports would have a separate fee for? I seem to remember reading something (sorry can’t recall where or if it was even correct) but the landing fees at YYZ included things that other airports would charge additional fees to the airline.

Landing fees are apples to apples, but airports also collect fees to use the terminal. The balance between these two fee types varies wildly and follows no particular convention.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15732 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 20):

There was an article a few years ago in the Chicago Tribune, showing how the increases by the City of Chicago had made ORD one of the most expensive airports in the U.S. I seem to recall that the three most expensive, and not in any particular order, were EWR, ORD, and SFO.

At ORD, it was a bit of a vicious circle. Since passenger traffic was down, UA and AA switched a lot of mainline flights to RJs. Because of fewer people in the terminals, concession revenue was down. Because of the RJs, landing fees were down.

So, landing fees went up. Needless to say, AA was increasing the size of the DFW hub (among the cheapest landing fees of the larger airports), and UA was standing pat.

Makes you wonder how NK can make ORD work with their super-cheap fares. If that's true, I think NK would be better off at RFD and/or GYY than ORD.



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User currently offlinelouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15410 times:

Quoting IBOAviator (Reply 18):
seems that landing a Cessna in YYZ would cost upwards of 100$

YYZ keeps the fees for small Cessna's and General Aviation aircraft high as more of a "you're not welcome" signal to deter them from flying into the airport. It disrupts the flow of traffic and you have airports at Burlington, Brampton, Guelph and Kitchener close by that don't charge landing fees for small planes. Buttonville has a $15 landing fee and I think its about $12 for city center airport. So bottom line is YYZ would rather keep the slower aircrafts away from there



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25 WhiteWasp : CVG comes to mind. I know in the past, it was one of the most expensive airports to fly into and out of in the USA. Not sure if it still is ranked tha
26 cosyr : no idea what the landing fees are at these airports, but it's not twice as expensive to fly to these cities than nearby alternatives because the land
27 spudsmac : How do they collect these fees? The only fees I've even been aware of have been ramp fees, which have been waived each time with fuel purchases.
28 FWAERJ : IIRC, after the new terminal opened, IND went from one of the cheapest major airports in the Midwest to operate from into one of the most expensive. H
29 cosyr : at SYR they sent a monthly invoice, and the airlines send a check. Just like you paying your utility bill. SYR was pretty quiet, so the Commissioner'
30 Post contains links and images point2point : Just doing some quick googling on this, well..... I think that it is very difficult to find a single source (at least after a few pages, I haven't fou
31 YYZAMS : I wondered that too and am too lazy to calculate it. Anyone want to do the landing fee for EK?
32 Alasizon : For one flight, $7194.46. For an entire year, $160,333.68 Assuming no delays and every seat filled. That is the total from wheels down to wheels up.
33 web500sjc : That's the total landing and terminal fees, there is still the fuel+tax and security fees (do they have the similar per passenger TSA security fee in
34 Alasizon : I hadn't even factored that into it. I don't have the figures handy but I know I had some of the terminal costs (including the cost per square foot o
35 web500sjc : Wow....I didn't really expect anyone to have those, I was just putting those extra charges out before someone comes on and says running the whale mus
36 WildcatYXU : Are you sure? According to schedule posted by Texan and IBOaviator it should look like this (assuming charges based on MTOW, MTOW of 560 t and 496 se
37 WildcatYXU : It's not. The landing fee is $25 per 1000kg.
38 web500sjc : Sorry I just say a straight 25$ My bad.
39 danimarroquin : YYZ fees are outrages , for sure the most expensive airport in North america for no reason . still I dont understant why its so expensive ????
40 jethawk : Socialized Healthcare
41 Post contains links canadianpylon : I ran the numbers and came up with the same $$$ amount as Alasizon, minus the Gate Occupancy fee. I interpretted the statement about the Gate Occupan
42 Post contains links zeke : http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_d..._the_nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier "That means each carrier launch costs $80,600."
43 flyingturtle : Reading this thread, I tried to think of an airport where the landing fees entitle you to land with the gear up.... David
44 Post contains links tarmacphotos : Here is the entire breakdown of all fees for 2013 at PIT: PIT had some of the highest fees in the country, which was the main reason US left their hub
45 flyiguy : For WN, IAD does not have the most expensive landing fees however when you factor is all the other fees, rents and taxes that come with bringing in a
46 FWAERJ : Sounds a lot like what I said about IND, which happens to be another WN station: cheap landing fees, expensive everything else. I have noticed that W
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