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Who Will Fly The Pope If AZ Goes Belly Up?  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8359 times:

Although I'm fully aware about how minimal are the chances that AZ could effectively disappear ( I think that chances are minimal even in the current political and economical situation in Italy ), I'm curious about how could a situation like that will be handled by the Vatican. According to all the experts, the next Pope will be much younger than Ratzinger, and one could expect he will be more active and probably a FF, but who will carry him if AZ finally can't survive the crisis ?

Rgds.
G.


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

Well, I just checked, and there is no pope anymore for the moment. Maybe they will first check out Alitalia before appointing another one.  

User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8228 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Well, I just checked, and there is no pope anymore for the moment. Maybe they will first check out Alitalia before appointing another one.

You are one hour too early with that statement  . His resignation is effective 2000 hours Z+0100, 28FEB13  .



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8218 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
but who will carry him if AZ finally can't survive the crisis ?

The new entity that will inevitable emerge from the ashes if AZ goes down......think Swissair >> Swiss


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8218 times:
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Maybe LH will bring back Lufthansa Italia and name one of the airframes "Vatican City".   

User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 3):

The Papal Swiss Guards are Swiss soldiers also......think Swissair >> Swiss!


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8128 times:

At one time, PA, TW and AA flew the Pope to the US, not AZ.

I'd say that in the event of an AZ collapse, he would fly the flag carrier of the country that he is going to, much like how it used to be.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

Emirates! They go pretty much anywhere and everywhere!

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8034 times:

Could they just buy a private aircraft? and like, supersize the security on it?

Or buy Prince Waleed's A380 that's purportedly on sale    (talk about interfaith dialogue    )

Quoting n729pa (Reply 7):
Emirates! They go pretty much anywhere and everywhere!

I doubt they'd sell a jet a catholic   



我思うゆえに我あり。(Jap. 'I think, therefore I am.')
User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

EI always made a (likely completely spurious) claim about being the first airline to carry the Pope that wasn't AZ. They're getting in to a lot of contract flying again now...

User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7969 times:

Just put wings on the Pope-mobile...

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting n729pa (Reply 7):
Emirates! They go pretty much anywhere and everywhere!

I don't think that's an option for TLV...  



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

Ryanair.

They serve the better suited Rome airport anyway.

More seriously, maybe he would have access to the Italian government's fleet? Noted this afternoom that he used a Repubblica Italia helicopter for his farewell flight.


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7879 times:

The pope flew AA once from DEN to FCO I think it was around 1991 or so.

User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 13):
The pope flew AA once from DEN to FCO I think it was around 1991 or so.

The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that carrier), whereas the inbound flight is on Alitalia.


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7844 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 14):
The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that carrier), whereas the inbound flight is on Alitalia.

Interesting did not know that, thanks for the tip. Perhaps the Pope can buy a Ferrari and just drive real fast instead of fly.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 14):
The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that carrier), whereas the inbound flight is on Alitalia.

Wouldn't that be very expensive, having two empty ferry flights ?


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7684 times:

You would have two emtpy ferry flights anyway as most papal visits last a couple of days (or even longer if it is a tour) which make it rhater unlikely that an aircraft would stay with the pope for the duration of the trip.

Anyway, afaik, the costs are covered by the rather hefty ticket prices journos have to pay to travel on board Papa Force 1.


User currently offlinemastermis From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2008, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

VIRGIN seems appropriate!  

User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7554 times:

Or he will go for this one:

http://www.italylogue.com/about-ital...er-airline-takes-to-the-skies.html


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7452 times:

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User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7421 times:

Well... Ryanair:
http://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/...the-pope-thing-covered-584467.html
 



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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 20):
Here are my proposals:

I swear I was expecting a picture of the beloved "Hooters Air "....  

G.



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User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7313 times:

I guess it will depend on what frequent flyer program he will sign up for  

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 14):
Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 13):
The pope flew AA once from DEN to FCO I think it was around 1991 or so.

The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that carrier), whereas the inbound flight is on Alitalia.

Prior to their demise, TWA was the most frequently-used US carrier on papal visits to the U.S. TW carried the Pope on at least 5 different trips between 1965 and 1999.

Story and photo from a 1995 trip from BWI to FCO (on TWA's first 767-200, N601TW). More photos with the story.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/papalcharter.html



25 Gonzalo : Wow... what a wonderful experience.... thanks for sharing that photo too, combines my passion for aviation with the image of a man that, regardless a
26 Ratypus : "The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that ca
27 vfw614 : Interesting reference in one of the clippings on the TWA Flight Attendant's website that on an earlier flight, TWA served Pope John Paul II a meat dis
28 Post contains images EGPH : I'm sure that for all but long-haul flights to North/South America and the Far East/ Oceania the Aeronautica Militare (Italian Air Force) could give h
29 Post contains images Quokkas : It would be a no go for Berlin as well. And he'd have to be careful what day he wanted to visit Toronto. At least if he wanted to go to Israel he cou
30 braynfeeble : Pope John Paul II flew on us (5T) the plane still has a plaque near the entry door.
31 DCAJet : I am certain that the Vatican will have no problem procuring an airline that will gladly fly His Holiness. All flights ex-Rome are the responsibility
32 n729pa : I heard a rumour that the Pope was scared stiff of flying....... Well how many passengers do you see come off a plane and the first thing they do is k
33 longhauler : Its funny you should say that. I remember when the Pope visited Canada, and watching his arrival on television from the Alitalia airplane. After kiss
34 Post contains images alfa164 : In all probablitiy, you shouldn't use the term "stiff" and "Pope" in the same sentence...
35 bx737 : In 1979 Pope John Paul II flew from Rome to Dublin and then onwards to Boston with Aer Lingus. I think it was one of the first times the Pope flew wi
36 Post contains images alfa164 : I would thing Virgin would be a natural...
37 jfk777 : FROM the USA to Rome, but Alitalia few the Popes to America. Its the airline of the country where the flight originates that carries the Pope. The on
38 EGPH : Surprising really, I thought LOT would have been only too happy to oblige in that circumstance. Even both ways if need be.
39 jfk777 : The vatican approving his holiness fly a russian plane, I don't think so. Some of those trips to Poland were during Iron Curtain times. Since when is
40 jfk777 : The vatican approving his holiness fly a russian plane, I don't think so. Some of those trips to Poland were during Iron Curtain times. Since when is
41 Viscount724 : The AZ 777 also carried the Pope on one U.S. domestic sector on that trip, IAD-JFK if memory correct.
42 Post contains links and images Aesma : No mention of the Pope flying Concorde, and the one that ultimately crashed to boot ?
43 WROORD : That was on his first trip. Indeed AZ did it both way. However, all other trips he flew to Poland on AZ and back on LO 737-400, which at that time wa
44 enilria : If all else fails he can be ferried around by the Flying Nun. I'm sure there is a Super-Guppy Model...
45 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Would that remove PR from the blacklist and allow it to fly to Rome in case the elected Pope decides to visit RP? Well, HH flew on MM81806 before....
46 baw716 : I think we are putting the cart before the metaphorical horse. We need a Pope first. Then we can talk about who he will fly (and yes, as long as AZ is
47 Post contains images captainstefan : I don't want to be one to perpetuate rumors - but with some of the scandals bubbling up lately I'd leave Sir Richard's entity out of the discussion I
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