Gonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1673 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6896 times:
Although I'm fully aware about how minimal are the chances that AZ could effectively disappear ( I think that chances are minimal even in the current political and economical situation in Italy ), I'm curious about how could a situation like that will be handled by the Vatican. According to all the experts, the next Pope will be much younger than Ratzinger, and one could expect he will be more active and probably a FF, but who will carry him if AZ finally can't survive the crisis ?
AustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1264 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6765 times:
Quoting KL911 (Reply 1): Well, I just checked, and there is no pope anymore for the moment. Maybe they will first check out Alitalia before appointing another one.
You are one hour too early with that statement . His resignation is effective 2000 hours Z+0100, 28FEB13 .
WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
EIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 207 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6560 times:
EI always made a (likely completely spurious) claim about being the first airline to carry the Pope that wasn't AZ. They're getting in to a lot of contract flying again now...
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3590 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6448 times:
Ryanair.
They serve the better suited Rome airport anyway.
More seriously, maybe he would have access to the Italian government's fleet? Noted this afternoom that he used a Repubblica Italia helicopter for his farewell flight.
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3590 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6401 times:
Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 13): The pope flew AA once from DEN to FCO I think it was around 1991 or so.
The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that carrier), whereas the inbound flight is on Alitalia.
JoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 194 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6381 times:
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 14): The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that carrier), whereas the inbound flight is on Alitalia.
Interesting did not know that, thanks for the tip. Perhaps the Pope can buy a Ferrari and just drive real fast instead of fly.
KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6238 times:
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 14): The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that carrier), whereas the inbound flight is on Alitalia.
Wouldn't that be very expensive, having two empty ferry flights ?
" The European consumer would crawl naked over broken glass to get low fares." Michael O'Leary
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3590 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6221 times:
You would have two emtpy ferry flights anyway as most papal visits last a couple of days (or even longer if it is a tour) which make it rhater unlikely that an aircraft would stay with the pope for the duration of the trip.
Anyway, afaik, the costs are covered by the rather hefty ticket prices journos have to pay to travel on board Papa Force 1.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 24, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5454 times:
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 14): Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 13):
The pope flew AA once from DEN to FCO I think it was around 1991 or so.
The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that carrier), whereas the inbound flight is on Alitalia.
Prior to their demise, TWA was the most frequently-used US carrier on papal visits to the U.S. TW carried the Pope on at least 5 different trips between 1965 and 1999.
25 Gonzalo: Wow... what a wonderful experience.... thanks for sharing that photo too, combines my passion for aviation with the image of a man that, regardless a
26 Ratypus: "The return flight from a country visited by the Pope is traditionally carried out by a carrier from that country (if there is a flag carrier, that ca
27 vfw614: Interesting reference in one of the clippings on the TWA Flight Attendant's website that on an earlier flight, TWA served Pope John Paul II a meat dis
28 EGPH: I'm sure that for all but long-haul flights to North/South America and the Far East/ Oceania the Aeronautica Militare (Italian Air Force) could give h
29 Quokkas: It would be a no go for Berlin as well. And he'd have to be careful what day he wanted to visit Toronto. At least if he wanted to go to Israel he cou
30 braynfeeble: Pope John Paul II flew on us (5T) the plane still has a plaque near the entry door.
31 DCAJet: I am certain that the Vatican will have no problem procuring an airline that will gladly fly His Holiness. All flights ex-Rome are the responsibility
32 n729pa: I heard a rumour that the Pope was scared stiff of flying....... Well how many passengers do you see come off a plane and the first thing they do is k
33 longhauler: Its funny you should say that. I remember when the Pope visited Canada, and watching his arrival on television from the Alitalia airplane. After kiss
34 alfa164: In all probablitiy, you shouldn't use the term "stiff" and "Pope" in the same sentence...
35 bx737: In 1979 Pope John Paul II flew from Rome to Dublin and then onwards to Boston with Aer Lingus. I think it was one of the first times the Pope flew wi
36 alfa164: I would thing Virgin would be a natural...
37 jfk777: FROM the USA to Rome, but Alitalia few the Popes to America. Its the airline of the country where the flight originates that carries the Pope. The on
38 EGPH: Surprising really, I thought LOT would have been only too happy to oblige in that circumstance. Even both ways if need be.
39 jfk777: The vatican approving his holiness fly a russian plane, I don't think so. Some of those trips to Poland were during Iron Curtain times. Since when is
40 jfk777: The vatican approving his holiness fly a russian plane, I don't think so. Some of those trips to Poland were during Iron Curtain times. Since when is
41 Viscount724: The AZ 777 also carried the Pope on one U.S. domestic sector on that trip, IAD-JFK if memory correct.
42 Aesma: No mention of the Pope flying Concorde, and the one that ultimately crashed to boot ?
43 WROORD: That was on his first trip. Indeed AZ did it both way. However, all other trips he flew to Poland on AZ and back on LO 737-400, which at that time wa
44 enilria: If all else fails he can be ferried around by the Flying Nun. I'm sure there is a Super-Guppy Model...
45 Devilfish: Would that remove PR from the blacklist and allow it to fly to Rome in case the elected Pope decides to visit RP? Well, HH flew on MM81806 before....
46 baw716: I think we are putting the cart before the metaphorical horse. We need a Pope first. Then we can talk about who he will fly (and yes, as long as AZ is
47 captainstefan: I don't want to be one to perpetuate rumors - but with some of the scandals bubbling up lately I'd leave Sir Richard's entity out of the discussion I
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