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FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident  
User currently offlinenzblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22077 times:

Colorado College students perform 'Harlem Shake' during Frontier flight; FAA investigating

"The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating an incident during a flight from Colorado Springs to San Diego involving the Colorado College Ultimate Frisbee team."


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22003 times:

OMG I'm sick of this Harlem Shake meme. Honestly in my opinion, Gangnam style kills all other memes, because it was that damn awesome   

But seriously though if it caused a serious flight disruption, there should be an investigation, no matter how funny people say it is.



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21707 times:

I think passengers, whether they're a bunch of college students or an Olympic team, need to understand that such activities may be "cool" on the ground or anywhere else, but not on a plane......10 odd passengers dancing in the aisle could cause problems in a small plane that no one can imagine until it actually happens.....moreover, there's always the possibility of an emergency happening at just that moment and all these "cool" dancers getting in the way....

If nothing else, a plane is a closed, congested space and not all passengers may share your idea of cool....I think this whole thing of flash mobs, including this Harlem shake thing, is being carried too far by some......it certainly has no place on a plane.....and they had the audacity to state that they planned it one day in advance.....

I know I'll get flamed by a lot of righteous, indignant folks on here, but I am just expressing my personal opinion on this....


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3303 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21358 times:

Unless the seatbelt sign was on, this is a non-issue.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21240 times:
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I didn't see any violations. What's the issue? Its an internet craze. They happen and then fade away...

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21239 times:

I'm more fascinated by that playing frisbee is considered a sport. Who woulda thought?


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21091 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
I'm more fascinated by that playing frisbee is considered a sport.



Wonder if you can get a four year ride playing frisbee? A seriously slow day at the FAA offices in the Western region, wonder what type of inspector gets assigned this one?   



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User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20990 times:

I can't imagine any FAR's being violated here... I've seen the video and even a few executives @ Republic have seen it and liked it.... overzealous government maybe?


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User currently offlineflashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20662 times:
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I think this whole FAA review falls under the category of "way, way too much about nearly nothing". There is no significant safety issue here, at all, period. It's just ridiculous to suggest that there is anything here worthy of an investigation -- that's more hilarious than the stunt ever was. Frontier should be thrilled about this publicity!

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
Wonder if you can get a four year ride playing frisbee?

You can, indeed. I know a couple of people who are on scholarships for Ultimate, one at a major Pac-12 school.

[Edited 2013-02-28 14:49:08]

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3647 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20567 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
A seriously slow day at the FAA offices in the Western region, wonder what type of inspector gets assigned this one?

Probably the most junior one in the office.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20387 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 9):
Probably the most junior one in the office.



I was thinking more like someone in management!!  



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User currently offlinecubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 408 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20110 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 2):
I think passengers, whether they're a bunch of college students or an Olympic team, need to understand that such activities may be "cool" on the ground or anywhere else, but not on a plane......
Quoting gr8circle (Reply 2):
If nothing else, a plane is a closed, congested space and not all passengers may share your idea of cool..

I happen to agree with you entirely. There's an old saying that some people today do not understand:

"One Person's Freedom Ends Where Someone Else's Begins".


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20070 times:

There was a rumor that Stanford's band was banned from an airline for crap like that. They thought it would be funny to move from one side of the airplane to the other in unison to cause it to roll. It never actually happened, but, apparently, the USC band thought it was a funny idea and tried it...


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User currently offlineAirCalSNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20013 times:

I can't believe how lame and sheep-like college students are these days. Repeating endlessly the same prank that wasn't original or funny to begin with. Get a life, twits.

I will be interested to see if the FAA does anything about this. All that flailing around in a small plane doesn't seem like a good idea and probably could compromise safety if an emergency arose. I don't think the seat-belt sign being off is license to just have at it and do whatever you feel like.

Harumph.


User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18510 times:

FAA wasting their time instead of making the 787 problems get fixed faster

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18318 times:

Obviously the F/A didn't see a problem with it. Its not like the flight deck could look over their shoulder and tell the back seat to stop.

I wonder if the airframe may have been the issue. It looks like an A319 from the video. I believe F9 also flew the E190 on the COS-SAN route.

What's next the FAA to ka-bash the famed WN toilet paper race from fore to aft down the aisle of the aircraft. Citing to many arms in the aisle.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Unless the seatbelt sign was on, this is a non-issue.

The media report say the seat belt light was not illuminated.



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User currently offlineindcwby From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18011 times:

Quoting nzblue (Thread starter):
"The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating an incident during a flight from Colorado Springs to San Diego involving the Colorado College Ultimate Frisbee team."

And if the sequestration goes through, they will have other things to worry about...........


User currently offlineilove727s From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17542 times:

As someone who is a dispatcher in the 135 world, I can say first hand that the FAA is in a desperate fund-raising mode. I believe that's all this is about.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16870 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
What's next the FAA to ka-bash the famed WN toilet paper race from fore to aft down the aisle of the aircraft. Citing to many arms in the aisle.

Or the thing where they let those penguins on the plane...  

It's stuff like this that make flying today enjoyable, granted it only happens .00000001% of the time. I just wish the Harlem Shake video that I have been in took place on a plane!



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User currently offlinebomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16453 times:

I'm surprised Spirit didn't think of this first and use it for advertising. Would make a rather funny TV commercial.

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User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1323 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16341 times:
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Quoting flashmeister (Reply 8):
I think this whole FAA review falls under the category of "way, way too much about nearly nothing".
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
A seriously slow day at the FAA offices in the Western region, wonder what type of inspector gets assigned this one?

Budget cuts anyone? Isn't the is agency that is screaming bloody murder that cutting budgets will have "major disruptive effects" on air travel.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16060 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 2):

A plane that size people dancing isn't going to do anything. It's not like all 100passengers ran down the aisle.

As long as everyone in the plane was ok with it I don't see the big deal. As for Harlem shake videos yes it got old really really fast.



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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15961 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 21):

The only FAR violation I could've possibly see would be not Following crewmember instructions, but that would require that the crew said to stop or not to dance in the aisle ...other than that mostly just plane stupidity or fun.



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User currently offlineCOS777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15853 times:

In some of the news articles I've read they asked the crew's permission and got it. Supposedly they were even allowed to use the PA to coordinate it.

http://catalystnewspaper.com/2013/02...-students-harlem-shake-on-a-plane/

If the FAA does have an issue with it hopefully it would just be "Yeah, that was funny. Just don't do it again...". Unfortunately, it's the FAA and that they wouldn't do something reasonable like that. I can see it might make some passenger's nervous, but other than that I don't think it was a problem.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15762 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 21):
As long as everyone in the plane was ok with it I don't see the big deal.

Even if not everyone on the plane was okay with it it's still not the FAA's business.

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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15943 times:

My 2 cents...if the captain approved this, the FAA is wasting resources as usual.


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User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15864 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
OMG I'm sick of this Harlem Shake meme. Honestly in my opinion, Gangnam style kills all other memes, because it was that damn awesome

But seriously though if it caused a serious flight disruption, there should be an investigation, no matter how funny people say it is.

Totally agree... Harlem Shake is not even funny after you see one... Gangnam was quite smart IMO.


User currently offlineElevated From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15227 times:

Quoting COS777 (Reply 23):
crew's permission and got it. Supposedly they were even allowed to use the PA to coordinate it.



That right there could be the smoking gun. The interphone (PA) IS considered a piece of EE (Pre-flighted during our EE checks) and of Crew use ONLY for obvious reasons. Same goes for the jump-seats...I've had passengers sitting there the one second I look the other way. That's a big no-no for non-Crew as well unless you're an ABP and have been briefed to sit there.

As a Crew member myself, there's obviously more to the story. The anecdotal comments here are classic!


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14025 times:
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Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Unless the seatbelt sign was on, this is a non-issue.

Agreed

Quoting Mir (Reply 24):
Even if not everyone on the plane was okay with it it's still not the FAA's business.

Anything that happens with a US flagged carrier on its aircraft is the FAA's business.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13711 times:

There was just another thread about people on SK being allowed to do one, although I can't remember if anyone involved was a passenger. They didn't appear to be airborne at the time though. Aside from maybe them being airborne when this occurred, there has to be something else to make the FAA investigate this. Otherwise, one has to ask why it is okay in Scandinavia but not here!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
I'm more fascinated by that playing frisbee is considered a sport. Who woulda thought?

It's actually called "ultimate" and it is a pro sport, actually. I actually tried out for the Boston Whitecaps of Major League Ultimate!

[Edited 2013-03-01 01:01:48]


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3263 posts, RR: 5
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13578 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 2):
I think passengers, whether they're a bunch of college students or an Olympic team, need to understand that such activities may be "cool" on the ground or anywhere else, but not on a plane......10 odd passengers dancing in the aisle could cause problems in a small plane that no one can imagine until it actually happens.....moreover, there's always the possibility of an emergency happening at just that moment and all these "cool" dancers getting in the way....

If nothing else, a plane is a closed, congested space and not all passengers may share your idea of cool....I think this whole thing of flash mobs, including this Harlem shake thing, is being carried too far by some......it certainly has no place on a plane.....and they had the audacity to state that they planned it one day in advance.....

I may not agree with you, I will support your right to have your opinion and to state it with out ridicule or being flamed.

That said, where were these same comments when a US Olympic team, enroute to LHR on a UA 757 danced to a song or two in the aisles, or when a Hawaiian Hula troop took to the aisles and performed a lovely dance much to the delight of their fellow passengers?

Is it possible, that it's the particular Harlem shuffle and even possibly the people that did it, that makes this one a dud when many go off without a hitch, and often receive loud approval and praise from their audience?

It is more likely IMO, that an emergency could happen when travellers are up and moving around in the aisles, or flight attendants are up performing their duties, as these things happen far more that flash mobs.

Quoting cubastar (Reply 11):
I happen to agree with you entirely. There's an old saying that some people today do not understand:

"One Person's Freedom Ends Where Someone Else's Begins".

Nice quote, it definitely does stand true, even more as the years are passing by. I do not see where that was the case here, lots of people would welcome some kind of inflight distraction during the level cruise time, at least something that will bring a smile to some otherwise bored faces.

I understand people wanting to be comfortably locked into their little bubble, you know headphones, book, blank distant stare forward, trying to avoid the strangers on a plane, but sometimes one needs to remember to feed the kid inside, and drop out of character for a few minutes to dance and laugh, works great with people you won't see again.

Quoting flymia (Reply 21):
A plane that size people dancing isn't going to do anything. It's not like all 100passengers ran down the aisle.

As long as everyone in the plane was ok with it I don't see the big deal. As for Harlem shake videos yes it got old really really fast.

I have been on one plane where we went over Mt Fuji, and half the passengers tried to all get over to the other side to see it, and the pilot asked everyone to get back to their seats, he said it was a balance issue, the majority were in coach, we were in J with no F cabin, on a OZ 763 HNL-SEL. I thought he was just saying that was the reason, just so everyone would just sit down.



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User currently offlineHarmonium From Denmark, joined Feb 2012, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12841 times:

Before this gets completely off the tracks, can we agree that an investigation is merely a thorough look at what happened with the purpose of disclosing whether illegal activities were made?

User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7225 posts, RR: 8
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12302 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
A seriously slow day at the FAA offices in the Western region, wonder what type of inspector gets assigned this one?
Quoting indcwby (Reply 16):
And if the sequestration goes through, they will have other things to worry about...........

If government agencies were not wasting billions over the years and demanding more taxes, POTUS would not have had to come up with a sequester that he thought would never happen and later tonight have to sign the bill.
The head of the FAA has already stated the number towers to be closed, controllers to let go, delays in air and ground movements, not because of sequester but because funding for inspectors who investigate such major incidents like this must take precidence of those other issues which the public are more interested in, let's remember, someone has to protect the public from themselves, whether you like / want it or not.  

And now for the rest of the story.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11912 times:

You probably had some people on the flight who see such activity as inappropriate and unsafe. Some will see what appears to be a coordinated act as a possible cover for a terror act and in the post-9/11 more people have little tolerance of any group activity on a flight. As a result, someone filed a complaint with the FAA and they have to do a preliminary investigation. Not much will likely happen, maybe a minor fine to Frontier and the participants given a letter. At least this wasn't something like another drunk pax harassing FA's or other pax which is far more serious to investigate.

User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 785 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11757 times:

Nothing but an overreacting (what a surprise) branch of government with nothing better to focus on...Even though in reality they have their hands full. I thought it was cool that so many people took part in it!

User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11276 times:

The good thing is that it took a whole 33 replies before someone brought up 9/11 as possible justification for virtually anything in today's US civil aviation.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10792 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 28):
Anything that happens with a US flagged carrier on its aircraft is the FAA's business.

Not really. If it doesn't involve the FARs, the FAA has no say. There are all sorts of objectionable things that people can do on aircraft that aren't against the FARs, and if someone tried to complain about them to the FAA then the FAA should just refuse to take up the case.

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10021 times:
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Quoting par13del (Reply 32):
The head of the FAA has already stated the number towers to be closed, controllers to let go, delays in air and ground movements

I'm so glad the FAA is spending its money investigating the Harlem Shake instead of keeping towers open...

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 35):

The good thing is that it took a whole 33 replies before someone brought up 9/11 as possible justification for virtually anything in today's US civil aviation.

How much waste and security theater have we taken on? Time to reign in some of that pork.

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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9004 times:
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I think F9 needs to capitalize on this by having the spokesperson animals doing the Harlem Shake in a commercial.

User currently offlineflashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8442 times:
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Quoting freakyrat (Reply 38):
I think F9 needs to capitalize on this by having the spokesperson animals doing the Harlem Shake in a commercial.

Agreed. It doesn't appear that F9 did anything wrong here, so they should milk this for every ounce of publicity that they can.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 30):
but sometimes one needs to remember to feed the kid inside, and drop out of character for a few minutes to dance and laugh, works great with people you won't see again.

Agreed and no one's denying the importance of doing that.....but just do it when you have your feet on solid ground, not in a plane 30,000 feet up in the air where there are a lot of reasons to ensure that you stay in your seat and not dance in the aisles.....

If they can't control their urge to be cool, maybe these college kids (and others like them) could consider doing their shakes or whatever, in the airport terminal where they would be much less of a nuisance to those who don't share their idea of "cool".....and they would have much more space to do their stuff.....good entertainment for bored passengers if a flight is delayed   


User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8049 times:

Quoting Elevated (Reply 27):
That right there could be the smoking gun. The interphone (PA) IS considered a piece of EE (Pre-flighted during our EE checks) and of Crew use ONLY for obvious reasons. Same goes for the jump-seats...I've had passengers sitting there the one second I look the other way. That's a big no-no for non-Crew as well unless you're an ABP and have been briefed to sit there.

In that case, I hope the FAA reinvestigate all previous uses of the PA to sing happy birthday, wish newlyweds well, or congratulate the sports team on board. Scandalous!  


User currently offlineaajfksjubklyn From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8005 times:

They have time for this but yet wont have enough employees to man control towers....JOKE!

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7367 times:
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Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 14):
FAA wasting their time instead of making the 787 problems get fixed faster



How is it the FAA's job to fix Boeing's problems with the 787?   



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7143 times:
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Quoting AirCalSNA (Reply 13):
I can't believe how lame and sheep-like college students are these days. Repeating endlessly the same prank that wasn't original or funny to begin with. Get a life, twits.

 . You may not like it, but I find it hard to believe you never did anything in college that was popular. It's just a dance all in good fun. I'd rather see kids doing this than some other stuff that goes around on campuses across the world...

I think the FAA is just wasting their time and money on this. If the Captain found no problem with it I don't see anything wrong with it. Unless in the 2013 FARs they added no dancing, I don't see a problem with this. They didn't endanger the safety of their fellow passengers, and it was just a joke. It's not like they were doing it with the pilots at altitude. Just close the case and move onto something that deserves real investigation.
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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3647 posts, RR: 3
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 26):
Totally agree... Harlem Shake is not even funny after you see one... Gangnam was quite smart IMO.

I agree. Nothing is more brilliant than some fat Korean guy jumping around like he's riding a horse.



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 37):
I'm so glad the FAA is spending its money investigating the Harlem Shake instead of keeping towers open...

Just how many people do you imagine are actually investigating this?

My guess is 1, on his/her lunch break. And he/she is not going to be otherwise keeping any towers open him/herself.

[Edited 2013-03-01 09:42:44]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 38):
I think F9 needs to capitalize on this by having the spokesperson animals doing the Harlem Shake in a commercial.

I think I saw Griz shake his tush a time or two across the years.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4815 posts, RR: 25
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6121 times:
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Quoting Harmonium (Reply 31):
Before this gets completely off the tracks, can we agree that an investigation is merely a thorough look at what happened with the purpose of disclosing whether illegal activities were made?

   I think people are taking the term "investigating" as something much more consuming of time and resources than what's actually being done by the FAA.

With that said, I'm always amazed at the uptight attitudes of the member of this forum. I'm just as tired of the Harlem Shake craze as the next guy, but this particular video cracked me up. Lighten up!



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User currently offlinejreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Wonder what UA would have done, especially with them being videotaped?!

  


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5818 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 45):
I agree. Nothing is more brilliant than some fat Korean guy jumping around like he's riding a horse.

Off-topic, but Gangnam is a parody of a kind of nouveau-riche Koreans (Gangnam is a district in Seoul). If you ever been to Seoul or have met these Koreans... they exist.

Obviously, the video is extremely caricatured, but that's where the fun comes from. Plus, the music is quite catchy... and that is why it has been so successful all over the world (even if 99% of people outside Korea do not even know that they try to make fun of a kind of real ppl).

Harlem shake is just lame.


User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5726 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 44):
If the Captain found no problem with it I don't see anything wrong with it



I agree there was nothing wrong with it, but the Captain probably didn't even know it was happening.


User currently offlineElevated From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5603 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 41):
In that case, I hope the FAA reinvestigate all previous uses of the PA to sing happy birthday, wish newlyweds well, or congratulate the sports team on board. Scandalous!  


You missed my point. "Scandalous," dramatic much?

It's up to the FA's desecration to make any extra announcements over the PA; it's another story when it's Tommy's birthday and Tommy makes the PA or one of Tommy's friends and is NOT a working Crew member. We use our best judgment over the PA without making extra announcements and disrupting the guest experience, obviously there are exceptions for special occasions.


User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Quoting Elevated (Reply 52):
You missed my point. "Scandalous," dramatic much?

It's up to the FA's desecration to make any extra announcements over the PA; it's another story when it's Tommy's birthday and Tommy makes the PA or one of Tommy's friends and is NOT a working Crew member. We use our best judgment over the PA without making extra announcements and disrupting the guest experience, obviously there are exceptions for special occasions.

Sorry, I think you missed my point, sarcastic. "Dramatic much" would be the reaction to this stunt. I'm assuming for now that the crew made a best judgement (as in, allowing it), and this was a rare event, an exception. The guest experience seemed not to be too disrupted, as it looks like unaffiliated passengers joined in. I think you mean "discretion" (as in decision), not "desecration" (as in respect -- I know, damned auto-spellcheck!, but sort of ironic), and from what Frontier has said, the crew did use that.
Unless we hear otherwise. Normally it's an airline that overreacts, but not in this case, it's the FAA, the stupid news reporter, and the laughable aviation expert brought in to point out the "risks".

-Rampart


User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1306 posts, RR: 17
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

It was a big segment on the Today show this morning. Of course, NBC showed a clip of a F9 737-200. Anyone else see the story?


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User currently offlineCaryjack From United States of America, joined May 2007, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

Fox News is reporting the following:

The FAA is considering if the FA was wrong to allow the dance, but have not opened an "official" investigation.
The dancers asked an FA permission to perform the dance, which was granted.
The dancers talked with all other passengers before performing the dance.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
Its an internet craze. They happen and then fade away...

  

Thanks,   
Cary


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

The FAA is also investigating the Brady Bunch for singing in the aisles of a "Very Brady Sequel".

Quoting scbriml (Reply 43):
How is it the FAA's job to fix Boeing's problems with the 787?

The FAA moved the goal posts after certification, and it's entirely Boeing's fault?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

Pretty obnoxious and I'd be pissed if I was trying to sleep, but as long as they weren't doing it when they weren't supposed to, let them be


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

I'd like to make a point.

Since you are required by law to "comply with all crew member instructions", essentially the passengers would be compelled by the threat of arrest if they did not participate in the Harlem Shake. ROTFL


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5025 times:
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Quoting bomber996 (Reply 19):

I'm surprised Spirit didn't think of this first and use it for advertising. Would make a rather funny TV commercial.

No ideas.  
Quoting Mir (Reply 36):
There are all sorts of objectionable things that people can do on aircraft that aren't against the FARs, and if someone tried to complain about them to the FAA then the FAA should just refuse to take up the case.

That they should, but should and actual often have quite a few labor hours in there.

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 46):
Just how many people do you imagine are actually investigating this?

I've seen 7 investigate nothing.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 56):

The FAA is also investigating the Brady Bunch for singing in the aisles of a "Very Brady Sequel".

May I investigate Marsha?  

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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

If funding is short why waste it on non trivial things like this? No one made a threat, it is actually good to move your limbs in an aircraft, it helps against blood clogging.

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4699 times:
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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 56):
The FAA moved the goal posts after certification, and it's entirely Boeing's fault?

The FAA moved the goal posts?   

OK, which goal posts did the FAA move? The battery failure rate was many orders of magnitude more frequent than Boeing said it would be. But that's clearly the FAA's fault?   



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User currently offlineEaglePower83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Quoting AirCalSNA (Reply 13):
I can't believe how lame and sheep-like college students are these days. Repeating endlessly the same prank that wasn't original or funny to begin with. Get a life, twits.

"And get off my lawn!"
 


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

The snippet received some national media attention of sorts Friday evening. Jay Leno aired the segment in the opening monologue on the Tonight Show.

It appears the FAA may be concentrating on the seat belt issue; not if it the sign was illuminated but rather should it have been. I still think the FAA is stretching in that seat belts are left to the discretion of the flight crew. In all of my years flying I've flown I've never experience or heard of a flight deck knowingly putting anyone in harms way.

Apparently is has something to do with too many passengers being out of their seats at one time over a potentially turbulent prone area. Weather appears not to have been an issue.

I'm not sure where the exact event occurred but turbulence over the Rockies and near PSP and of course those famous Santa Ana winds off of SoCal have been known to render problems. PSP is a RNP airport for the wind reason.



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User currently offlinekevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

All in good fun. Much ado about nothing. Please move along....nothing to see here. (Then again, the song IS about terrorists.) LOL!  


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25269 posts, RR: 85
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4248 times:
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Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 54):
It was a big segment on the Today show this morning.

I hope Frontier is thanking its lucky stars that the FAA stepped in.

It's given them national attention, international exposure (from London to New Zealand) and it's closing in on 3 million hits on Youtube.

The FAA has said it's aware of the bind it's in - looking like the Grinch. If it comes down heavy on the airline it is likely to extend the publicity.

mariner



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3829 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
I didn't see any violations. What's the issue?

Operating a Frisbee without a certificate ?

Seriously, you can have a college Frisbee team ????



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3819 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 66):
Seriously, you can have a college Frisbee team ????

As noted earlier, ultimate is a team sport played with a flying disc (a frisbee to the layman). And it is no less a "real" sport just because it using a disc instead of a ball.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 67):
a frisbee to the layman

Frisbee is a trademark, hence flying disc, nothing to do with "layman". Still a pathetic waste of money considering that those funds could be put into real education and research.



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3795 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 68):
Frisbee is a trademark, hence flying disc, nothing to do with "layman".

Show the man in the street a flying disc and he will tell you that it's a frisbee, and so that is what it is to the layman. Like many trademarks it has become a generic word for the item in question. But most ultimate players will call it a disc and since the early 90s we haven't played with frisbees.


User currently offlineChipmunk2307 From Australia, joined Feb 2013, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 65):
It's given them national attention, international exposure (from London to New Zealand) and it's closing in on 3 million hits on Youtube.

Not to mention the guy wearing the banana suit. Where do you get those?   

But in all seriousness, does it matter if the plane was on the ground or flying? Either way "could" cause damage to the floor. But does the moving mass of 40+ people make a difference in the air?

Cheers


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3602 times:
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Quoting zeke (Reply 66):
Seriously, you can have a college Frisbee team ????

Posted by someone from a region with college Cricket teams...

Its fun. You aim for a series of goals a la a golf match. Many of the universities have land earmarked for growth or large central parks that have the area to set up the course. Unlike golf, it is safe to have pedestrians 'cross the course' (walk across the park) while you are playing your round.

It is a sport played in many ways comparable to golf except:
1. No need for the extreme landscaping.
2. No need for an exclusive use of the land (which I find so wasteful with golf).

e.g., one of my favorite jogging trails cut through two ultimate courses.

If we're going to complain about a 'sport,' let's complain about golf.

Quoting Chipmunk2307 (Reply 70):
Not to mention the guy wearing the banana suit. Where do you get those?

   Now explain that to the TSA...

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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 71):
Its fun. You aim for a series of goals a la a golf match.

You're talking disc golf, and all you say about it is true, but the team in the video was an ultimate team and played a different sport.


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 68):
Still a pathetic waste of money considering that those funds could be put into real education and research.

It's "club" level so no scholarships, conferences, etc. Think intercollegiate intramurals.

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 72):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 71):
Its fun. You aim for a series of goals a la a golf match.

You're talking disc golf, and all you say about it is true, but the team in the video was an ultimate team and played a different sport.

Ultimate is much more like soccer...very fast and very fun!



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 68):
Still a pathetic waste of money considering that those funds could be put into real education and research.

How is this a waste of money? Ultimate may not be an NCAA-sanctioned sport, but it's no different than any other kind of sport offered at any other university. It's about making college more fun in the end.



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User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

I don't know why the FAA is singling out Frontier?

Lets see who else has done it.

Southwest Airlines. Looks really cool with the Boeing Sky Interior Mood Lightning. (In -Flight)
http://youtu.be/8wpUo_WdFb8

Air Canada In Flight
http://youtu.be/vRuHRsoAOZc

Emirates In Flight
http://youtu.be/p1qjjB7pfeg

Ryan Air In Flight
http://youtu.be/StBrBixvNpA

Air New Zealand In Flight (Two different flights)
http://youtu.be/97vR6xXZ96c
http://youtu.be/2dUBNIQ9-4M (In Flight start 3:00 into vid guy is even shirtless in overhead bins and all)

SAS (In overhead bins and all)
http://youtu.be/76ABU-pWbM0

Luthansas ( I never seen so many male Flight Attendants on one plane)
http://youtu.be/KoQqpFpxRcM

American Airlines
http://youtu.be/x-YwUaBzmMI

Unkown Airline Sure someone on here will figure it out (This one was awesome!)
http://youtu.be/Zk8PhNJJUZ0

That is just what I saw today. I bet there is more out there. So is the FAA going to ban dancing in airplanes? They need to focus on other things and let people have fun! This is a waste of time and money.

[Edited 2013-03-03 23:19:45]


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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 68):
Still a pathetic waste of money considering that those funds could be put into real education and research.

Yeah, tell that to the college football cartell. I assume you aren't that familiar with US intercollegiate athletics. At least Ultimate can be played by any teenager with reasonabel fitness and intelligence. Football at the competitive college is played by 250-300 pound "student athletes". And one of their star quarterbacks is taking correspondence courses for credit.

-Rampart


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2630 times:
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Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 72):
You're talking disc golf, and all you say about it is true, but the team in the video was an ultimate team and played a different sport.

Ahh... That's what I get for aging.     

EIther way, this was a fun thing to do.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 75):

I don't know why the FAA is singling out Frontier?

Those were entertaining. Thank you for sharing.

Now we've all given those videos more 'hits' which is the goal.   

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User currently offlinespeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 75):
SAS (In overhead bins and all)

They even employed the now defunk planking in that one. I can't for the life of me figure out how this 'craze' got viral in that 'short' space of time. It's 2013 I suppose.

-2263



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User currently offlinewinginit From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Quoting AirCalSNA (Reply 13):
I can't believe how lame and sheep-like college students are these days. Repeating endlessly the same prank that wasn't original or funny to begin with. Get a life, twits.

awww... sounds like someone is a bit upset that their college glory days are over.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Unless the seatbelt sign was on, this is a non-issue.

indeed.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6388 posts, RR: 3
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 66):
Operating a Frisbee without a certificate ?

Seriously, you can have a college Frisbee team ????

In the US, it falls in under 14 CFR part 103 (ultralight operating rules)  



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6388 posts, RR: 3
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

On a slightly more serious note, if people were a little to rambunctious, and their movements caused the aircraft or flight crew to have to make flight control inputs to compensate, then I could see where the FAA might think that something like this constitutes a safety of flight issue. Not saying it happened here (as I don't know...).


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2119 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 36):
Not really. If it doesn't involve the FARs, the FAA has no say. There are all sorts of objectionable things that people can do on aircraft that aren't against the FARs, and if someone tried to complain about them to the FAA then the FAA should just refuse to take up the case.

The act of the airline operating is under a FAR. The FARs covers other things specifically but is still their business to ensure operation is in accordance with said FAR. Greyhound on the other hand would not involve the FAA because there is nothing that Greyhound does that would involve FAR's



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