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Will QF Go All A380 @ LAX?  
User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

I seem to remember some time ago that QF had plans to go all A380 at LAX, have not heard anything more. Seems to me that running 2xA380 LAXSYD and 1X LAXBNE A380 and 1x LAXMEL A380 is a bit over kill, also if they did what would become of LAXJFK?

I know that later this year QF will move its LAXBNE flight from T4 back to TBIT to consolodate its operations.

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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7638 times:
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Personally, I think if this happens LAX-JFK will remain, just as an a380. It might be cheaper to run it with a 380 making less money, than to have the aircraft sitting at LAX for 14-5 hours.


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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
I seem to remember some time ago that QF had plans to go all A380 at LAX, have not heard anything more

There are no plans for this to happen. QF doesn't have any more A380's coming into the fleet for a number of years, their remaining 8 were deferred, and the 12 they currently have are fully utilised on SYD-DXB-LHR, MEL-DXB-LHR, MEL-LAX, SYD-LAX and SYD-HKG. So you'll be seeing QF 744's at LAX for many years to come.


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

Too bad one cannot fly on the LAXJFKLAX leg   That would be an awesome A380 trip!

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
I seem to remember some time ago that QF had plans to go all A380 at LAX, have not heard anything more.

I don't believe there was ever a plan to go all A380 at LAX. There were, AFAIK no public statements to that effect.

It is unlikely that AKL-LAX & BNE-LAX were ever planned to be A380. AKL-LAX has since been discontinued, of course, leaving only BNE-LAX & the second daily SYD-LAX with the B744.
With the B744ERs scheduled to around for the rest of the decade I think the second daily SYD-LAX flight will remain B744ER until around 2020 (this is of course the flight extended to JFK).
As for BNE-LAX, who knows? But it won't likely happen until QF get more A380s which is not until the 2016/2018 time frame. It is more likely that you will see B789s operating into LAX before then.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

There never have been any plans for ALL US of A flights to be up graded to an A380...

The next delivery of the deferred A380 have been scheduled for 2016 which I believe will enable QF to operate SYD-DFW-SYD without the need of the BNE tech stop... The current frames are capable but not in their current configuration considering QF don't offer F/C to DFW...

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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3619 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
It might be cheaper to run it with a 380 making less money, than to have the aircraft sitting at LAX for 14-5 hours.

It's cheaper to have it sitting on the ground if it's losing money in the air on the JFK tag. Considering that in recent history, the route has fluctuated between the A330 and the 744 - I'd venture to guess that the 380 is probably too much lift for this route. Anecdotally, I've heard the route is buoyed by cargo as the pax loads are typically rather low.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
Seems to me that running 2xA380 LAXSYD and 1X LAXBNE A380 and 1x LAXMEL A380 is a bit over kill, also if they did what would become of LAXJFK?

I could see 107/108 go 380 at some point in the distant future, but not 175/176(BNE).



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 4):
As for BNE-LAX, who knows? But it won't likely happen until QF get more A380s which is not until the 2016/2018 time frame. It is more likely that you will see B789s operating into LAX before then.

I'd say you will see BNE-LAX, SIN and HKG all go to 787 as soon as QF has enough of them in the fleet.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5452 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 6):
175/176(BNE).

You mean QF15/16

Quoting sydscott (Reply 7):
I'd say you will see BNE-LAX

The other two definitely, but QF15/16 has been completely full every time I've been on it. While going back to daily will partially make up for the lost capacity, I think that this will remain a 747 route.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
Personally, I think if this happens LAX-JFK will remain, just as an a380. It might be cheaper to run it with a 380 making less money, than to have the aircraft sitting at LAX for 14-5 hours.

Does QF still operate LAX-AKL??

IIRC the LAX-JFK route has been operated with a 332 that comes in from AKL so that is an option.



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 9):
Does QF still operate LAX-AKL??

No. It was dropped last year.


User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6715 times:
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Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 3):
oo bad one cannot fly on the LAXJFKLAX leg That would be an awesome A380 trip

Even if they were flying the A380 from LAX to JFK you wouldn't be able to do that unless your trip originates or terminates in Australia. Because QF doesn't have traffic rights inside the United States. I don't think you can buy a Qantas ticket just to fly between JFK and LAX.

QF still flies the 744 to JFK, I saw one not long ago.

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5452 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

Quoting american 767 (Reply 11):
QF still flies the 744 to JFK, I saw one not long ago.

Yep, when they dropped AKL-LAX the JFK tag reverted back to a 744



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6627 times:

I doubt it will ever happen.

I think we're likely to see existing 744 services to LAX cut back to 789s in favour of a greater focus at DFW, which appears to be going berserk. The 787 will also make SFO a strong possibility again, and would give JQ the range to reach the mainland as well (YVR? LAX at peak times to add Y capacity?).

That said, the focus would then turn to where else QF would use the aircraft. Using 789s to LAX from SYD/BNE would free up 4 aircraft to use elsewhere. Perhaps to DXB/Europe?


User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6507 times:
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Quoting american 767 (Reply 11):

You can always buy a ticket from JFK to SYD and forget to get on the flight to Sydney...although I imagine that would be a waste of money.



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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6363 times:
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Quoting american 767 (Reply 11):

Yes, that is what he said.

Also, while the 744 is a beautiful sight to see every day from my back yard, there was just soomething about seeing an Aussie a330 flying over into JFK.



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

Any chance DFW will go A380?


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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
Any chance DFW will go A380?

In 2016, probably. Until then with no new A380's coming into the fleet, no.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
Any chance DFW will go A380?
Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
The next delivery of the deferred A380 have been scheduled for 2016 which I believe will enable QF to operate SYD-DFW-SYD without the need of the BNE tech stop... The current frames are capable but not in their current configuration considering QF don't offer F/C to DFW...
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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 17):

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
Any chance DFW will go A380?

In 2016, probably. Until then with no new A380's coming into the fleet, no.

It would be possible with the existing fleet, but it would mean dropping SYD-HKG back to 744s, which seems unlikely.

Alan Joyce has spoken about sending 789s to DFW on numerous occasions in the past, but they aren't due to start arriving till 2016 either. I guess we'll have to wait till then and see what they decide to do.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 19):
Alan Joyce has spoken about sending 789s to DFW on numerous occasions in the past, but they aren't due to start arriving till 2016 either. I guess we'll have to wait till then and see what they decide to do.

He fully the issues which grounded the B787 are resolved otherwise QF is going to be in an extremely difficult position with the aged B763's... QF really gambled taking on 2 x NEW aircraft (A380 & B787)...

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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1709 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):
QF really gambled taking on 2 x NEW aircraft (A380 & B787)...

BA are in a worse position... They are receiving both new aircraft around the same time and are the launch customer for the HGW version of the A380.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 21):
BA are in a worse position... They are receiving both new aircraft around the same time and are the launch customer for the HGW version of the A380.

I disagree. The late arrival of these aircraft hasn't sent BA into meltdown like it has QF, and they have enjoyed a far more flexibile position in covering the gap (ie lots of 77Es, the ability to slip a few 77Ws into the fleet without major training/handling costs, a younger 767 fleet etc).

The A380 will be an easy and smooth transition for BA. The 787 is a far more critical lynchpin in QF's future than BA's, and will have massive ongoing impacts if they don't start arriving this year.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3619 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3636 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 8):
You mean QF15/16

Sure, whatever. It used to be 175/176 the last time I flew it.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 21):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):
QF really gambled taking on 2 x NEW aircraft (A380 & B787)...

BA are in a worse position... They are receiving both new aircraft around the same time and are the launch customer for the HGW version of the A380.

Not really as qf002 quoted...

BA have the flexibility within their fleet to introduce B777's as a gap filler with minimal training required while at QF it would mean introducing a totally new type to the fleet...

I just hope the B787 troubles are resolved as I can't imagine what plan B is at QF with another delay of EIS...

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25 LAXintl : Considering the JFK flight rarely goes out with over 200 folks, even the 744 is overkill. The A330 was the right plane, but with the loss of the AKL r
26 Post contains images A36001 : Those 747 tags to JFK are full of cargo no?, so with minimal passenger revenue, the cargo revenue makes up for it. The impression I have got over the
27 travelhound : EK send one of their A380 flights (Dubai - Brisbane) from Brisbane to Auckland often half empty. In the early days the flight was lucky to be 25% ful
28 RyanairGuru : DXB-BNE-AKL is a 77W not A380, but you are right about half empty A380s from SYD and MEL to AKL. Anecdotally, and from what people have said on here
29 EK413 : You must be referring to SYD-AKL-SYD which is an A380... EK haven't introduced the A380 on the BNE leg & I doubt we'll see it for a while conside
30 LAXintl : No not at all. I pulled up the cargo numbers in a thread last year. The LAX-JFK-LAX turns are not heavy with cargo. QF carriers the bulk of the JFK c
31 Post contains images A36001 : O well I learnt something today.... haha thanks
32 Post contains links LAXintl : Yes in 2006 they got into the maintenance business here and got a hangar. They can house 2 744s or a single A380 at a time inside and about 3-4 more
33 EK413 : I'm curious as to how cost effective this has been from a maintenance perspective... EK413
34 WSTAKL : What would the chances be of OF ever reinstating the AKL-LAX route? I always preferred OF over NZ when heading up to the States (mainly due to price)
35 thegeek : Are you sure? I struggle to believe that an A380 would make more money for QF on SYD-HKG than on SYD-DFW-SYD if the latter would be unrestricted for
36 Post contains links EK413 : I'll do some digging around, from memory there was an article hinting the DFW service will receive A380 equipment once the 3 class frames arrive... T
37 gemuser : The reason for the A380 on SYD-HKG is First class yields or so I've been told many times. Gemuser
38 thegeek : The A380s they are referring to are 573t MTOW versions but the first 12 A380s they received are 560t MTOW versions I think. Open to correction on tha
39 LAXintl : Here are the load factors and average cargo tons per DOT reporting released so far for 2012. I only did the Westbound leg, but time permitting at late
40 thegeek : Cool, thanks for the figures. With an OEW of around 184t and MZFW around 250t and 18t of pax+bags, that revenue cargo is well short of maxed out. The
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