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Turkish Aviation March 2013  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13575 times:

Hello Turkish Aviation fans,
Spring is almost here and all airlines are getting ready for another busy summer;


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Really looking forward to this March since we were told;
-332 Prestige will finally be delivered this month to Turkish Government
-This is the month TK will order its NB order (and maybe 350/380 combo??)

Besides this;
-Pegasus is expected to issue its IPO soon. (only 30% or so)
-TK will be in the midst of a labor agreement. Does TK employees have the right to strike if decided?
-Maybe this month we will see the final version on TK crew uniforms
-Next week IST-JFK flights will go back to 3 x daily again.( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333)
-Only two months left for the new Istanbul airport tender
-I saw this on Hurriyet Daily News today; Melbourne expecting TK flights;
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/mel...pageID=238&nID=42006&NewsCatID=345

As usual, please continue with your news, pictures, rumors and sense of humor. Keep all the political views and personal attacks to non-av threads.
Thank you,
TK787

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13550 times:

Turkish Airlines and Air Canada will be expanding their code-sharing relationship.

In addition to current 22 points in Canada, Air Canada will now provide TK with US connections also via YYZ.

Pending government approval they seek to add the below US points to their codeshare:

Atlanta
Baltimore
Charlotte
Cincinnati
Fort Lauderdale
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Las Vegas
Minneapolis
Nashville
Pittsburgh
Raleigh-Durham
San Diego
Tampa
Seattle
Boston
San Francisco
Miami
Orlando
Denver
Philadelphia

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User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13330 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):

-I saw this on Hurriyet Daily News today; Melbourne expecting TK flights;
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/mel...38&nID=42006&NewsCatID=345

I would love to see TK in my home town MEL but are they    because they are making my head    i just realised why my head is spinning had too much of this    and now I'm    and i should be doing this    Anyway one could only dream ?????


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13306 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Thank you,
TK787

Thank you for the new thread  
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Atlanta
Baltimore
Charlotte
Cincinnati
Fort Lauderdale
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Las Vegas
Minneapolis
Nashville
Pittsburgh
Raleigh-Durham
San Diego
Tampa
Seattle
Boston
San Francisco
Miami
Orlando
Denver
Philadelphia

Nice list, although it is time that they expanded to secondary markets with their codeshares. BTW, why add BOS or SFO if they will be served nonstop very soon anyway?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 13198 times:

Having multiple codeshares to cities already served is common, so I don't see the issue with doubling up even if BOS and SFO become stations for TK one day.
All it does is provide the consumer with added options, and an additional line of schedules to view in GDS.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 13181 times:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151469353762760&set=a.139834532759.108963.90430042759&type=1&theater

I can't seem to copy/paste the link, but it is on facebook.com/turkishairlines

TK gets into the food truck business in the US, serving Turkish coffee.
Now this is more like it.

[Edited 2013-03-01 07:38:35]

[Edited 2013-03-01 07:40:16]

User currently offlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 13099 times:

Pegasus is starting to fly Kahramanmaras from April 1 onwards, 3 weekly. That is surprising for me. Flights are now bookable on their website. In addition, TLV is becoming double daily. I've realized they have gradually doubled their frequency to many points they fly to ( ORY, STN etc.)

I have a hunch that they will cause some trouble to TK in the long shot despite the difference in target audience or corporate strategy. What do you think?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 12972 times:

Sure TK and PC but heads especially in the domestic arena (why they had to create Anadolujet) but I don't think they will be a position to cause much "trouble" in the big picture.

See luckily the market in Turkey keeps growing fast year over year, so the pie is increasing allowing everyone to sit the table and share the bounty.

If anything, I think its TK that has caused PC much trouble as TK has tied up traffic rights and blocking PC access in many markets.

Also one of the interesting things with LCCs are they often generate new traffic, and don't necessarily steal existing traffic away. With low enough offers, travelling becomes an option for many that never considered flying.

So I think PC and TK can coexisit without bumping into each other too seriously in a growing market.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 12885 times:

Is the O&D markets between Istanbul and Tel Aviv big or are they relying on transit passengers, much like Turkish Airlines?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12810 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Hello Turkish Aviation fans,
Spring is almost here and all airlines are getting ready for another busy summer;

Thanks for the new Spring thread  
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Maybe this month we will see the final version on TK crew uniforms

Indeed a lot of people are waiting for that one .  


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12764 times:

Could you guys also confirm that TK will end its sponsorships of FC Barcelona and Man United? Is this immediate or will they finish the all 3 years?
Thanks.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12654 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 8):
Is the O&D markets between Istanbul and Tel Aviv big or are they relying on transit passengers, much like Turkish Airlines?

Until recently the market was huge - Turkey was one of the top couple tourism markets from Israel.

Today its more transit and business traffic as Israeli tourist have opted to go to more friendly locations.



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User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12654 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):

AFAIK at the end of the actual season



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12641 times:

Guys, something very unexpected and surprising happened: the companies bidding for istanbul's 3rd airport say that the schedule is impossible to hold. Due to airkule one manager said that normally they use 200 trucks. Even if they used 20.000 (!) trucks with 5 journeys a day each of them, they would need 4 years to fill the old mines at the land foreseen for the airport. Opening not before 2021. Well, building and airport is not comparable to LEGO...

User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12615 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

Thanks, well let's hope the relations improve so that we could see even more demand.

Does anyone know how many aircraft will be based at various coastal Turkish airports during the 2013 summer season?


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12358 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
This is the month TK will order its NB order

According to Focus Magazine, TK previously held off from purchasing A320s at the last minute as they are seeking more local supplier content.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...lines-airbus-idUSBRE92105G20130302

Any further information on that front?


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12205 times:

Pegasus has already loaded a fifth flight from Sabiha to Belgrade into its system, it will be operated on Mondays. More and more competition for Turkish Airlines in the Balkans, bad for them but good for the travellers.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12024 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 15):
Any further information on that front?

Nothing from the Turkish media either, we are used to waiting for big orders. Just like the articles suggest, Turkish government wants more local manufacturing jobs attached to a big order, not just good pricing/ better delivery slots.
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1362363162.html


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12009 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 13):

Guys, something very unexpected and surprising happened: the companies bidding for istanbul's 3rd airport say that the schedule is impossible to hold. Due to airkule one manager said that normally they use 200 trucks. Even if they used 20.000 (!) trucks with 5 journeys a day each of them, they would need 4 years to fill the old mines at the land foreseen for the airport. Opening not before 2021. Well, building and airport is not comparable to LEGO...

if this true ... the whole design/contract process would be up on the air for a while!!!   


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11992 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 13):

I am somewhat sceptical regarding such doomsday theories. If an airport can be built on an artificial island in 7 years (KIX, HKG) or even 5 (NGO), I am pretty sure some old mines - as big as they are - can be filled in 4-5 years. If necessary, a small port can be built by the Black Sea to where ships can deliver material to be used for the landfill. Plus, I bet there is some levelling to be done, not only holes to be filled but hills to be razed so it all comes down to engineering and project management.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11964 times:

The President of Kyrgyzstan says TK could operate a Istanbul-Bishkek-Tokyo service as part of a new Kyrgyz-Japan agreement.

http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/a...newsbriefs/2013/02/28/newsbrief-14

Previously I had heard they TK also explored service to China via Bishkek. Today TK routes its Ulan Bator Mongolia service via Bishkek.


At the same time Pegasus is looking to reignite its own Kyrgyzstan joint venture plans with Air Manas which it purchased a 49% stake in last year, to form a "Pegasus Asia" by leasing a 737NG to the venture that would offer services to Russia, China, Kazakhstan and Turkey.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/peg...ture-plans-despite-blacklist.html?

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User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11936 times:

Hey guys I need some help. I am thinking of a last minute trip for Schalke Vs Galatasaray, I found a decent price ticket to DUS via FRA from JFK. My question is will 1 hour 20 minutes be enough for me to make it to my connecting flights in FRA? Appreciate your help on this.


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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11869 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 21):

I had one hour connections in Frankfurt before. It is not a lot of time but you can make it.


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11849 times:

AZ seems to shelve FCO ESB that was supposed to be reinstated on March 25 thrice weekly as the flight seems to removed from data base. FCO AYT seasonal service seems to remain though as planned. I think the recent shake up with AZ Board obliged them to revisit their immediate plans to expand.

User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11713 times:

and another unexpected increase in TLV flights, starting 3 weekly in April 1, TK increase its daily flights to TLV to six; TK790

User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11746 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 22):

Thanks my friend appreciate your reply.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11721 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 24):

I am still wondering if the market is there or if they are just trying to fight Pegasus by increasing their own presence in TLV. With so many additional flights from IST to TLV let's hope Turkish Airlines keeps on sending their widebodies there.

Do you have the new schedule?

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 25):
Thanks my friend appreciate your reply.

No problem, I also wanted to add that some years ago when my connection was very short or if my inbound flight was delayed they would have someone wait for me at the gate and escort me right away to my next flight- they would use those funny little cars they have there.

The past week or two I noticed that Turkish Airlines had been sending their A330-300s to Spain (Madrid and Barcelona). It is quite unexpected with the current state of the Spanish economy.


User currently onlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11775 times:

Pegasus adds new domestic destinations: Amasya Merzifon, Mus, Kahramanmaras, Denizli, Nevsehir.

Also european routes Antalya-Pristina and from Sabiha Gökcen to Belgrade, Sarajevo and Skopje added.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11759 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 27):
Also european routes Antalya-Pristina and from Sabiha Gökcen to Belgrade, Sarajevo and Skopje added.

Yes, these flights have been operating for about a month now. Though I suppose that Antalya to Pristina will operate from the summer season.

Pegasus will operate a total of 51 flights from AYT to Belgrade from May to October while Sky will operate five weekly flights from AYT to Belgrade and one to Nis (southern Serbia).


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11709 times:

What is MNGjet?
Skyliners have a new registration; TC-EJA, a CRJ200 for MNG jet.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11628 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 29):

What is MNGjet?
Skyliners have a new registration; TC-EJA, a CRJ200 for MNG jet.

never heard about them before; according to their website www.mngjet.com :
"MNG Jet is specialized in business jet operations and maintenance. As of Jan 2013, it operates 1 Challenger 601, 3 Challenger 604, 1 Challenger 300, 1 Hawker 800XP and a Global 5000 VIP aircraft."


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11550 times:

I see drawings of a Rize airport on Facebook,
Is that for real or wishful thinking?
(search for Rize Havaalani on Facebook) and more here:
http://www.kavalcioglu.t83.net/#/haberler/4547869680


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11350 times:

TC-JSG, A321 joins TK today, 7 more 321s to join this year.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11192 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Next week IST-JFK flights will go back to 3 x daily again.( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333)

I guess this does not happen till the end of the month, beginning of April.
Can someone PM me the Comfort load for TK12 on March12, thanks.


User currently offlinetolmachevo From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11147 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 21):
Hey guys I need some help. I am thinking of a last minute trip for Schalke Vs Galatasaray, I found a decent price ticket to DUS via FRA from JFK

Have you thought of getting the train from Frankfurt airport to the Schalke stadium in Gelsenkirchen? It takes about 2:20, with just two changes. From Düsseldorf Airport to the stadium by train is about 1:05, so it is probably quicker to get the train, rather than plane and train...

Take a look at www.bahn.de/en for train times. You can enter Veltins Arena as your final destination.


User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11019 times:

Quoting tolmachevo (Reply 34):

Hey man thanks for the good advice, however I am spending couple nights in DUS before the game meeting with other GS fans fom Europe and Turkey  If I was going the day of the game your way would be excellent. Thanks for taking the time to respond.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10964 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 35):

Have a great time and good luck at the game!


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10977 times:

i am still hoping that TK will get permission to add more Indian destinations, come on BLR!! Its getting way too expensive for me to fly to India from LAX now  .

User currently offlineumit From Turkey, joined May 2009, 127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

I saw in at airporthaber , interview with Mr. Topcu that he says they leased seven 777 coming in april . Anybody knows where are they coming from ?

User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

Quoting umit (Reply 38):
seven 777 coming in april . Anybody knows where are they coming from ?

There was a thread about it a couple of months ago, it was discussed to death, however nobody was able to find the sources. Amongst possible were the 77Ls of Air India - which are coincidentally 7, and Air India wants to get rid of them.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

Quoting umit (Reply 38):

Wow, cool, havent seen that before;
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...topcu-2003te-pilotlar-issizdi.html
From the above article;
"Filodaki 210 uçağa ek olarak 7 geniş gövdeli uçak kiraladıklarını kaydeden Topçu, bu uçakların Mayıs ayından itibaren filodaki yerlerini alacaklarını kaydetti."
Let me start a new thread so we can find more about it 


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10728 times:

WOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQVS0k-VIwg
I have to admit, I haven't seen a more beautiful airline ad. Way to go ETIHAD!
I hope TK takes a note.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10588 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 40):
Let me start a new thread so we can find more about it

As I wrote in that thread, these are almost certainly 9W aircraft, most likely all seven of them. Jet simply doesn't need these frames. That will surely be a nice boost to the TK widebody fleet and cater for some capacity upgauges from A330/A343 to B77W network wide with the freed up A330/A343 capacity tp be used for expansion.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10379 times:

http://web.shgm.gov.tr/doc5/ahls.pdf (in Turkish)
Maybe someone can do a better job of translating but this means IST is at FULL CAPACITY.
Turkish Civil A.A. is telling domestic carriers not to expect any more slots at IST (especially domestic) and make plans accordingly; keeping an eye on the developments on the future Istanbul airport and make use of other airports.

-TK, Atlasjet, Pegasus, Onur; no domestic expansion at IST for the next 5 years?
-TK to receive 40( 7 leased) WBs and 30 Narrow bodies next 5 years, where do they go?

This is going to be messy.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10359 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):
http://web.shgm.gov.tr/doc5/ahls.pdf (in Turkish)
Maybe someone can do a better job of translating but this means IST is at FULL CAPACITY.
Turkish Civil A.A. is telling domestic carriers not to expect any more slots at IST (especially domestic) and make plans accordingly; keeping an eye on the developments on the future Istanbul airport and make use of other airports.

Obviously they want to make way for TK's planned int'l expansion. Since domestic is bringing in less money and wasting slots with smaller aircraft they are pushing those to SAW. SAW will also get messy soon obviously. And in a few years PC will be receiving more A/C  


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

According to ch-aviation.ch;
Turkish Airlines (TK, Istanbul Atatürk/Yesilköy International (IST)) has wet-leased A330-200(F) 9M-MUC (c/n 1164) from Malaysia Airlines (MH, Kuala Lumpur International (KUL)) complementing its own cargo fleet that currently consists of three A310-300(F)s and three A330-200(F)s. Turkish Cargo also has two additional A330-200 freighters on order that will be delivered later this year.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10001 times:

Some various bits of news -

o Air Astana and THY have signed cooperation agreement. Besides codeshares on routes to Almaty and Astana effective May the carriers will being to offer special prorate agreements for connections service to North America and Europe via Istanbul. Air Astana itself voted Best Airline Central Asia and India by Skytrax has been blocked by European authorities to grow its route network.

o Turkish has apparently become the largest airline in Saudi Arabia outside GCC member nations. In 2012 is carried 750,000 passengers on its 6-city network in the Kingdom.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 26):
I am still wondering if the market is there

TK is a very popular airline for Israeli travelers to Europe, Far-East and even US. Good fares, good network.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):
This is going to be messy.

Well the government does allocate slots, so they do have the ability give some preference.

As the document states it sounds like Turkey wants to ensure that foreign parties can fully utilize their bilateral rights for service to Ataturk and not find that lack of slots blocks such rights. For example LH last year complained it was unable to operate its full desired schedule at IST due to lack of slot allocation.

So as the document states, by 2014 unless an airline is launching an all new domestic market from Ataturk, they will not allow growth of slots on existing domestic routes.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 45):
has wet-leased A330-200(F) 9M-MUC (c/n 1164) from Malaysia Airlines

I thought this was announced a few months ago. Maybe we forgot to post it here.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9988 times:

I'm thinking about flying TK LGW-IST-LGW in a few months (and it's over £50 cheaper than EZY on LTN-SAW-LTN). Both sectors are scheduled to be by the 321, and I realise, of course, that it may change. What does TK offer aboard its 321s? It's a short flight so I'm not bothered by IFE, but do they have it? Does TK offer inclusive meals on that route? Anything else that would be useful to know? Thanks very much!


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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9863 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 47):

IzfE depends on the paricular configuration; older planes don't while newer deliveries do. and yes, complementary meal is offered on European flights in Y.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9580 times:

Aviation Daily Published an airline profile chart of TK.

Here are some numbers.

Top Airports (outside IST) in revenue.
1. ESB
2. LHR
3. CDG
4. IKA
5. DXB
6. FRA
7. ADB
8. AMS
9. BRU
10. DUS

Top Longhaul markets for revenue were: JFK, BKK, LAX, NRT, PVG


Average daily mainline departures - 839


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9574 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 49):

Very interesting;
-No wonder TK won't let anyone else on the ESB route.
-Only two cities from Germany on the top ten and none from Russia.
-LAX in number 3 after only a short time. Double daily must be coming soon.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9546 times:

Keep in mind this is total revenue for the station, not per flight. So ESB who has something like 30-daily departures daily so its only makes sense its at the top.

Also list does not mean - most profitable either. Could be something like Mogadishu, 3x weekly is more profitable on a per flight basis then all flights to a busy station like FRA lets say.

But list is interesting never the less. Shows markets where THY is generating the most revenue at.



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9568 times:

An online article (will try to post a link) today suggested that 9W and TK agreed on the lease of 3 77Ws returning from TG...

Btw that list shows ESB needs a homegrown airline   wishful thinking.


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9563 times:

According to Airporthaber.com the military part of IST has been transferred to DHMI. The shelters will make way for 40 parking areas for civil aircraft.

What will happen with the aviation museum?



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User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9540 times:

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 53):
According to Airporthaber.com the military part of IST has been transferred to DHMI. The shelters will make way for 40 parking areas for civil aircraft.

What will happen with the aviation museum?



It was spoken at least by 15 years, a dream comes true 


Shelters and military homes may relocate but museum should stay there where it belongs in my opinion. Lets wait and see how things work about construction...

A bit political but ; why a prime minister should go over to see landscape of airport and 3rd bridge built ? What is his profession about this is he architect engineer or geologist     


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9496 times:

Quoting MeCe (Reply 54):
why a prime minister should go over to see landscape of airport and 3rd bridge built ?

Not that political I think.
Some people have a very bad time with visualizing things. I know from first hand. So they have to go up there and see it from up there, they are not capable of looking at a 2 dimensional map and imagine it. Very common.
It helps to have a nice Sikorsky at your disposal. I have been inside those helicopters and even the base model is incredible, so much room; can stand up, walk around. Just amazing. I hear Turkey is getting two more of the same type.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9463 times:

10th TK 739ER is flown to Charleston for fuel tank outfitting;
http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com/

This will be the last one for a while.
TK gets the next batch of 5 X 739ERs in 2015.


User currently offlineTK748 From Turkey, joined May 2010, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 53):
According to Airporthaber.com the military part of IST has been transferred to DHMI. The shelters will make way for 40 parking areas for civil aircraft.



Guys, I had a chance to work on New Istanbul Airport tender for a group, and I must admit that it is impossible to finish on planned time. It is really a challenging project. That is why government planning some expansion in IST.


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9389 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 49):

Great information, thanks.

ESB is a revenue generator for TK not solely as a domestic route but I am sure considerable amount of international sales are made from Ankara. Please refer to amount of transit pax on IST ESB route, nearly half of the pax are feeding from TK's international network ex IST, the other half also has transit pax by other airlines ex-IST (BA,AF,AZ etc.)

I hope we will have some comptetiton to TK at ESB by major internatinal airlines eventually.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9205 times:

Airportbaber has a couple interviews that might be interesting providing some insight at two longhaul stations.


First one is with the Los Angeles regional manager following the two-year anniversary of opening the station.

Some comment highlights:
o After 2-years, monthly load factor has grown from initial 70% to 90% last summer
o Of passengers carried last year, 43% were for Turkey, and 57% were transit passengers
o Top beyond markets are Iran, Israel, Lebanon, India, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Greece, Kenya, Pakistan and Egypt.
o THY is the #1 airline serving the 1 million strong Iranian diaspora in California
o Marketing association with Kobe Bryant very useful building broad awareness for THY brand globally.
o After Houston next USA routes likely Boston and San Francisco

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...i/thy-melekler-sehrini-ucurdu.html

Second interview is with the Turkish Airlines China manager.

o After the USA, China market largest longhaul market based on seat capacity for TK
o TK which is a relative new player starting its first China flight in 1999 will operate 28 weekly frequencies this summer to 4 destinations (PEK, CAN, PVG, HKG)
o Beijing is especially strong market. Over 190,000 passengers carried with load factor of 85%. Estimate 200,000 customers in 2013
o Premium customers make up 23% share of boardings at PEK and grew 26% in 2012, with business class occupancy in top-5 of all TK markets.
o Cargo big part of TK activity in China. Have up to 6 weekly cargo frequencies spread between Hong Kong, Shanghai and Guangzhou.
o Cargo also benefit from use of passenger flights with 777 having 24-tons of cargo capacity versus 10-12 tons on A330-A340.
o 65% of TK China traffic is transit passengers, with about half headed to Europe with Germany where TK has 11 stations being the biggest market
o China-Africa traffic growing fast as TK offers one of the shortest routes - often 6hours faster versus competitors
o Turkey trying to join the list of 45 nations that can have 3-day, visa-free travel in China
o Trying hard to get additional slots. Also Air China is looking at serving IST which might help TK get more slots in return.

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...eri/cinde-thynin-ayak-sesleri.html

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 58):
ESB is a revenue generator for TK not solely as a domestic route but I am sure considerable amount of international sales are made from Ankara.

True - but is it profitable ? Generating volume is one thing, but is it a high enough yield volume is the bigger question to make it worthwhile for other airlines to pursue.



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9164 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):
True - but is it profitable ? Generating volume is one thing, but is it a high enough yield volume is the bigger question to make it worthwhile for other airlines to pursue.

I agree with you, but somehow I doubt average fares per pax originating in ESB are lower than those originating in IST.


User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9159 times:

Quoting TK748 (Reply 57):

Not really very surprising.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9013 times:

I noticed in the OAG thread that now DL will now not have JFK-IST service in September.

So I went into GDS and sure enough - last JFK-IST flight is September 1st.
Talk about a short season this year - barely 5 months!

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 60):
I agree with you, but somehow I doubt average fares per pax originating in ESB are lower than those originating in IST.

I think I have seen a report on actual ESB vs IST revenue to various markets in Europe. Let me find it, and I'll post it.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8881 times:

The usual few notes from yesterday TK 12 JFK-IST, free wifi on the -JNN "Anadolu"
As usual full Y and J and a 50% or so Comfort from what I can see.
On time, great flight, only different things I noticed;
-A service of packaged dried apricots and Turkish delight after dinner service.
-Temp inside the plane was not super hot, thanks.
-As usual all kinds of people having problems reclining their seats. Not that easy, need FA help, especially elder pax.
-I found a two inch piece of plastic part in my meal, a broken plastic fork or a piece of a plastic hanger. Pretty big, FA's were very nice about it, they took my name and they said they will report it.
-IST arrivals piece of cake, but outside the customs area very crowded.

That is all the news.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 63):
-I found a two inch piece of plastic part in my meal, a broken plastic fork or a piece of a plastic hanger.

Wow, poor QC by the D&O JFK kitchen.



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User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1772 posts, RR: 10
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8618 times:

Peagsus is down to one -400 now. Their owned -400 TC-APR has come to US and will be waiting for its next customer.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TCAPR

They have few more to be leased -800s this summer season with 2 more deliveries this year.



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

Last Sunday, when I flew CDG-IST, we were served Turkish delights before the meal service. Very strange indeed...

The crew on this particular flight was extremely depressed as the death of the purser in KIX had just happened... May her soul rest in peace...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8499 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 66):
The crew on this particular flight was extremely depressed as the death of the purser in KIX
had just happened... May her soul rest in peace...

What happened to her?


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8520 times:

Dear fellow Turkish A.netters,

It is quite likely (if no problems with visa) that I will be coming to live in Washington DC for a few years as of mid-April... I will naturally need a moderately priced (lol) place to live preferably very close to downtown or on the metro route... Do we have any members in DC who could share some ideas with me? Or better yet, do you know someone who rents our his/her apt/room in DC area?

Many thanks in advance...



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User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

A large order is going to be announced pretty soon by TK   Can't tell you anymore right now  


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8418 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 69):

A large order is going to be announced pretty soon by TK

Please!!! What is pretty soon? Today? Early next week?


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8381 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 69):
A large order is going to be announced pretty soon by TK Can't tell you anymore right now

Well, if you are referring to this, it is already in the news, but I was waiting for some A380s too - no mention of it in the article

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...leri/thy-kararini-verdi-43541.html



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlinetk388 From Australia, joined Jan 2011, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8367 times:

Please let there be some A380's. Wishfull thinking

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8332 times:

First 2 months of 2013 for TK:

RPK up 30.0%
ASK up 21.8%
LF up 4.8pts
Pax up 24.7%

Also, 12 months 2012 financial results say that net profit up from 18.5mn TL to 1133.4mn TL.... Very, very impressive.


User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 74, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 71):

nope I wasnt there ıs goıng to be more next week  



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8281 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 74):

Now you are teasing us  


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 76, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8286 times:

Order just announced: 25 A321ceo, 4 A320neo, 88 A321neo - 35 of the A321neo are options, 53 are firm. Look at the PR at their website...

[Edited 2013-03-15 06:42:04]

[Edited 2013-03-15 06:47:41]

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 77, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8310 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 74):

Finally the long awaited widebody order is in the horizon it seems... Let the speculations begin  

I would say A350 and A380 to start with...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 78, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

If anyone is interested in reading the Pegasus IPO prospectus its available online now. (In Turkish)
http://www.pegasusyatirimciiliskiler....S._Taslak_Izahname_Subat_2013.pdf

Some interesting tidbits is that the company has revealed its earnings for the last couple of years.

2012 it achieved a 126.3 million lira (USD $70 million) profit in compared to a 14.1 million-lira loss in 2011.

The company ended 2012 with 1.24 billion liras of long-term debt.

Also the ownership of the company has been clearly revealed, with 96.5 owned by ESAS Holdings and rest in private hands.

The IPO calls for about 32million shares to be sold that represent about 31% of the company. Company is hoping to raise capital of 102.3 million liras with the IPO. Much of the IPO proceeds will go to help gain added credit for its Airbus fleet.

Barclays Plc and Is Yatirim Menkul Degerler AS will be running the IPO.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 68):
I will be coming to live in Washington DC

PM me, and I'll give you a few ideas.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 79, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8091 times:

How is IAH booking? Given the dirt cheap CPT and LHR  Wow! fares I've been seeing on facebook I'm guessing not very well. Then again they went from 4>6/wk this week in OAG.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 80, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8056 times:

In a first sign that additional B77W capacity is about to come online, TK has loaded the following extra and upgauged flights from 01JUL:

TK033/034 IAH to increase from 4 to 6 weekly
TK015/016 GRU EZE to increase from 4 weekly to daily
TK090/091 ICN to upgauge from A330 to B77W daily

I would fully expect that new longhaul routes will be announced soon with the freed up capacity from the ICN route and additional capacity that is about to come online.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 81, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8010 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 80):
TK033/034 IAH to increase from 4 to 6 weekly

excellent move...this will hurt the market share of QR more than anyone else


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7955 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 80):
In a first sign that additional B77W capacity is about to come online, TK has loaded the following extra and upgauged flights from 01JUL:

TK033/034 IAH to increase from 4 to 6 weekly
TK015/016 GRU EZE to increase from 4 weekly to daily
TK090/091 ICN to upgauge from A330 to B77W daily

I would fully expect that new longhaul routes will be announced soon with the freed up capacity from the ICN route and additional capacity that is about to come online.

GRU/EZE load factors are very high, so that makes sense, but IAH already before first flight? Advance bookings must actually be good. We can see BOS maybe? Before any one of the ME3 get there?  


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 83, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

It seems that Lagos will upgauge from B739ER to A332 from the end of June.

User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 84, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7921 times:

Does anyone know if Turkish Airlines ever considered the Boeing B767 for its fleet? This particular aircraft is a very popular one and it seems that a lot of airline are satisfied with it.

I would also guess that when it comes to European routes it would surely be more profitable than the Airbus A330. Naturally, I am referring to a combination of long-haul and short-haul operations.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 85, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7895 times:

It seems that the added capacity represents 3 additional B77W frames, that will be sourced from Jet Airways. These aircraft will come off lease from Thai Airways in the next couple of months. Still, TK announced that 7 additional wide body frames would join the fleet this year through short term leases. It seems that the 4 additional frames will not be coming from Jet, as Etihad has laid its eyes on those, so where could the additional capacity be coming from? Could TK be interested in the 4 A332 frames that Gulf Air has just returned to its lessor?

Quoting JU068 (Reply 84):
Does anyone know if Turkish Airlines ever considered the Boeing B767 for its fleet?

Why introduce yet another type to the fleet when A330 frames are readily available?


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 86, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 85):
Why introduce yet another type to the fleet when A330 frames are readily available?

Who said anything about now? I was talking about the past when the airline was in its initial stages of growth.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7858 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 86):

Cockpit commonality with A340 which was their first LH aircraft since DC-10. The A340 might have been political though.


User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7812 times:

767 considered in late 80's than A310 choosed, mostly political. 340 was chosen because of ETOPS limitations, at the time 310 fleet was can not be maintained ETOPS standards so they go for a 4 holer.

User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 89, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7756 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 87):
Quoting MeCe (Reply 88):

Thank you for your replies. I wonder if they had chosen the B767 back then would it have been a better choice than the A310.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 90, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7752 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 67):

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 66):
The crew on this particular flight was extremely depressed as the death of the purser in KIX
had just happened... May her soul rest in peace...

What happened to her?

She died in her hotel room during a layover... Presumably heart attack  



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 91, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 82):
but IAH already before first flight? Advance bookings must actually be good.

I don't get what's going on here. They're offering ridiculous fares to Western Europe which would seem an act of desperation, but they may also think going to 6/wk will be a better schedule for business pax.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 82):
GRU/EZE load factors are very high, so that makes sense,

Wasn't this one of the poorest performing TK longhaul flights?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7706 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 91):
Wasn't this one of the poorest performing TK longhaul flights?

No longer the case. In fact, in the latest figures published for Jan-Feb 2013, LatAm (made up of only GRU/EZE for now) has the highest LF of all regions with 84.6%, up from 65.2% same period last year. Obviously EZE tag on has helped loads quite a bit.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7667 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 92):
Obviously EZE tag on has helped loads quite a bit.

And change of the schedule as well as it had a major impact on the connectivity into the middle east. Maybe we can see seperated GRU EZE flights in the future.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 94, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7667 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 93):
And change of the schedule as well as it had a major impact on the connectivity into the middle east. Maybe we can see seperated GRU EZE flights in the future.

I'm not sure; it has to be the most dreadful transatlantic schedule in existence right now. Guessing from TK's past actions, they probably just trashed the fare and filled up on volume.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 95, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7664 times:

IAH is booking well. Don't get distracted with low fares. TK was running 90% LF here in LA and still was selling $599 fares to Turkey last summer (as they are doing today).

TK has moved away from looking at segment profitability to a more holistic network view.
As long as IAH provides good volume of traffic to bolster other flying, its all good.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 82):
We can see BOS maybe?

Per that interview I linked in Reply 59, the Western US manager thinks BOS and SFO are next on cards.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 84):
Does anyone know if Turkish Airlines ever considered the Boeing B767 for its fleet? This particular aircraft is a very popular one and it seems that a lot of airline are satisfied with it.

Yes about 25 years ago.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 89):
Thank you for your replies. I wonder if they had chosen the B767 back then would it have been a better choice than the A310.

I doubt it. Choice at the time was 767-200 vs A310. The A310 was better all around, not the least being wider and having ability to carry full pallets. Also helped that half of Europe had the aircraft so TK could cooperate with airlines like KL, SR, LH for training, parts, etc.

The A310 opened many doors at TK. The first Trans Atlantic service, first service to Far East, first 2 then 3 class product etc.. It all worked out well. When larger capacity was needed beyond the 14 strong A310 fleet, the carrier easily rolled into the A340.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 91):
I don't get what's going on here. They're offering ridiculous fares to Western Europe which would seem an act of desperation, but they may also think going to 6/wk will be a better schedule for business pax.

Listen TK just posted strong 2012 profits yesterday. They had a operating margin of almost 19%.

I think they have a handle on managing revenues and yield across the network that work for them.



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User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7637 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 95):

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 82):
We can see BOS maybe?

Per that interview I linked in Reply 59, the Western US manager thinks BOS and SFO are next on cards.

For BOS would they use A332 or A333 freed up from the entry of the 77W's?


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 97, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7636 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 95):
TK was running 90% LF here in LA and still was selling $599 fares to Turkey last summer (as they are doing today).

Pretty much everything in North America over the last twelve months averages out to something in the 70s, and with those fares, and my anecdotal trips in near empty J, I'm convinced the region is still very much in the developmental or "strategic" stage.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 95):

TK has moved away from looking at segment profitability to a more holistic network view.

Every network carrier does that, some just don't have the luxury to sustain a long spool up on long haul routes like I think EK/EY/QR/TK are to the Americas.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 98, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7609 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 97):
Pretty much everything in North America over the last twelve months averages out to something in the 70s

Actually North American LF for 2012 averaged 82.0%, with enplanements up 47.3% yoy.

http://www.turkishairlines.com/downl...eri/2012_Regional_Traffic_Data.pdf

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 97):
and my anecdotal trips in near empty J

J is clearly not "near empty" on a broader scale.
We have some frequent flyers posting here. See comments of TK787 in reply 63. Full J class cabin again on his flights this week.

I have seen the traffic and revenue numbers, and frankly, TK is suffering from a lack of J seats very often.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 97):
I'm convinced the region is still very much in the developmental or "strategic" stage.

And nothing wrong with that.

Even of the entire longhaul network at TK was a loss making exercise it might still be a very valuable component of a broader network. For example, at many US airlines domestic ops might be loss making, but the feed is critical for longhaul.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 99, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7464 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 98):
TK is suffering from a lack of J seats very often

I am not surprised. The configuration of the 77W in particular with 28J vs 63W seems particularly imbalanced. I believe something like 6 rows of 2-2-2 (instead of the current 2-3-2) spread over 2 cabins for J + 6 rows of 2-3-2 for W would be much more appropriate for destinations such as JFK, LAX and HKG.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 100, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7348 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 98):
We have some frequent flyers posting here. See comments of TK787 in reply 63. Full J class cabin again on his flights this week.

J fare in the upper $3000s JFK-IST if I remember correctly but Comfort class was around $1000, still half full. J is so booked that this is the second flight I have seen Turkish celebrities flying Comfort since the J is full. (The ones that can easily afford to fly up front, like Acun Ilicali)


User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 99):




I will go like this; cut out half of comfort to install business cabin than go 10 abreast economy for more profit and more push comfort class. But I hope no one read this from management 


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 102, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7194 times:

Any particular reason why TK is sending its A333 to Dushanbe tonight?

User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7120 times:
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The new wide body order which was given last year including 2 class configuration  

User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 80):
In a first sign that additional B77W capacity is about to come online, TK has loaded the following extra and upgauged flights from 01JUL:


IST-ICN showing 777 without Comfort Class, any other routes with those newly leased 777s?

[Edited 2013-03-17 20:34:58]

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 105, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7022 times:

Quoting vincewy (Reply 104):
IST-ICN showing 777 without Comfort Class, any other routes with those newly leased 777s?

TK090/091 IST ICN IST and TK015/016 IST GRU EZE GRU IST are the routes that will operate withtout comfort class. They also take exactly 3 frames to operate, with a 7-hour ground time in ICN and 3 h 45 in IST in between flights. Pretty tight scheduling, so expect the occasional sub with comfort class on these routes.

TK is also not offering any First Class service on these flights, so I would expect these routes to operate with a 38-seat J cabin, including the 30 regular Jet Airways J-seat and the 8 First Suites.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 106, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 105):

I guess just you guys suggested. I am happy Comfort stays on the JFK route.

Quoting tozbek (Reply 103):
The new wide body order which was given last year including 2 class configuration

You might have the inside info on this, any idea on how many seats on each class? Thanks.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

Mahan air listing Isparta in ir destinations menu, nothing in schedule.

User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6452 times:

According to the latest Presentation of TK, the 737-400 will leave this year, the 737-700 in 2015 and by 2017 they will have only 8 A319, 17 A320.

All leaving smaller A/C will be replaced by only 4 320NEO and ! 113 A321 CEO/NEO.

Is this a sign, TK is aware that there will be huge delays with the Third Airport? The only way they can boost capacity at Atatürk Airport is by using larger A/C.
Assumed, there will be no delay with the third Airport. Are 8 A319 enough to introduce new secondary destinations in Europe and Middle East?

Does anybody has operating cost numbers for A319/A320/A321 on a specific route?


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 109, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 108):
All leaving smaller A/C will be replaced by only 4 320NEO and ! 113 A321 CEO/NEO.

Personally I expect an order for the B737MAX-8 to replace all the B737-800NG. And for the B737-700/A319 segment the CS300 could maybe have a chance...


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 110, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

Don't forget TK also has 50 more 737s with delivery through 2015.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-amp-en.../turkish-airlines-orders-35-737ngs
and
http://atwonline.com/aircraft-amp-en...urkish-exercises-options-15-737ngs

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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6421 times:

This is the delivery schedule I made using their presentation and the info on latest order. Don't know how deliveries of A320/320NEO/321NEO is split so put those together.

TYP 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 TOT
333 4 3 3 2 5 8 5 0 0 0 0 30
77W 5 7 0 0 3 7 5 5 0 0 0 32
739 0 2 7 1 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 15
738 0 2 2 6 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 20
321 0 8 7 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24
NEO 0 0 0 0 0 13 14 6 27 25 32 117
319 0 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
33F 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 5
TOT 10 29 20 19 19 33 24 11 27 25 32 249

Sorry that the table looks screwed up when copied.


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 112, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

According to Boeing's website there are 14 -800's and 6 -900ER's unfilled deliveries from that order at the end of February. One -900ER was already delivered this month, so now there are 14 -800's and 5 -900ER's unfilled.

User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 109):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 110):

I expect also a follow on order with Boeing. Seeing how popular the -700MAX is, I dont think TK wants to order them.

on another not, the first delivered 737NG are almost 15 years old. time to replace at least half of its 738 fleet in the coming years.

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 109):
And for the B737-700/A319 segment the CS300 could maybe have a chance...

This might be a solution for new destinations and thinner routes, but only with the new Airport.
Otherwise it would be a waste of slots at Atatürk Airport.


User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6390 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 111):

Your table implies about >180 Aircraft yet to be delivered??
Taking into account they have nearly 210 A/C today.... sums up to Kotil's forecast.

In an previous interview, Temel Kotil said, their fleet will have 375 A/C by 2020

I wonder how long they will keep the A340-300  


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 115, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

Yes the first batch of 738s are 15 years old this year. In total there is 18 that were delivered between 1998-2000 that will need to be considered pretty soon.


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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 114):
Your table implies about >180 Aircraft yet to be delivered??
Taking into account they have nearly 210 A/C today.... sums up to Kotil's forecast.

In an previous interview, Temel Kotil said, their fleet will have 375 A/C by 2020

 

Yep, 190 to be exact   Taking retirements into consideration, we might see 300 or so frames by 2020. Of course we will see more orders by then.

About the 343s, does anyone even have an idea? Even the 734s are still here at the ripe age of 21  

[Edited 2013-03-19 07:34:01]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 117, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6361 times:

Are ACT rebranding to MyCargo or will they continue as they are?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 118, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

In commercial marketing sense they use MyCargo to play on their other MyTechnic MRO business name.

Airlines name however remains ACT, but some things like business cards, letter also show MyCargo branding.

btw - they lost their managing director last week when he resigned.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 119, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

TK is back to GE engines on latest A330-300 order. They had gone with Rolls Royce on the -300 previously.

Turkish Airlines orders more GE CF6 engines for Airbus A330 fleet
http://atwonline.com/engines/turkish...gines-airbus-a330-fleet#node-77261

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User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

Looks like TK has wet leased three 77W from Jet Airways according to this http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...ease-more-b737-800s-to-sun-express Where will the other 4 come from ?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 121, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5973 times:

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 120):
Where will the other 4 come from ?

As far as I know, there was talk about 7 additional wide bodies, but so far only these 3 have been confirmed. Did the original plan call for 7 aircraft to come from 9W but did the deal for the last 4 aircraft fall through? 9W's new relationship with EY seems to have come between this deal. I wonder whether there will indeed be 4 additional widebody frames or whether fleet reinforcements will be limited to just 3.

While the 3 B77Ws will be deployed on the GRU EZE and ICN routes, nett increase in flying so far has only been the addition of 3 weekly IST GRU EZE and 2 weekly IST IAH services, so TK should still have some room for further expansion, maybe to lauch Boston or Manila or make Kuala Lumpur daily.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

Well, it seems MLE-CMB, KIX, and CAN will be daily (in addition to boosts for IAH, GRU-EZE, ICN) in W13, but that is still far away... Also, LOS becomes daily 332. All from airlineroute.net.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 123, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5902 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 122):
Well, it seems MLE-CMB, KIX, and CAN will be daily (in addition to boosts for IAH, GRU-EZE, ICN) in W13

Let's not forget that in the second half of 2013 the first 2 A333s from the new order of 20 frames will join the fleet. That will easily cover the additional frequencies to make those routes daily.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 124, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

not only passenger side is grow like crazy, but also cargo! lattest addition to TK Cargo fleet is a leased MNG 332freighter. as far as I know the MAS Cargo 33F is also still under contract. picture can be seen on skyliner (horrible livery...)

User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

TC-MNE and TC-MNY, the two MNG A300s leased by TK for its Hajj flights in 2006, wore a similar hybrid as TC-MCZ

Skyliner does also show the first 737 for Pegasus Asia, the Kyrgyz subsidiary



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 126, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

http://kokpit.aero/ugur-cebeci-bir-kasik-suda-bogulmak
According to this article, TK couldn't decide on the new uniform and decide to stay with the current ones.
The writer explains it nicely, why TK makes such small PR mistakes with controversial uniform decisions or cutting back alcohol service on most domestic F pax, while trying to become a global carrier.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 127, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 126):
TK couldn't decide on the new uniform and decide to stay with the current ones.

Good choice if its not broke dont fix it  


User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 121):
While the 3 B77Ws will be deployed on the GRU EZE and ICN routes, nett increase in flying so far has only been the addition of 3 weekly IST GRU EZE and 2 weekly IST IAH services

I wonder if TK intends to launch new South American destinations from next year. Santiago can be easily operated by a 332 if the route has stops in Brasilia, which is Brazil's main domestic hub.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 129, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4782 times:

Istanbul Ataturk is losing a customer. airBaltic will shift all of its operations to SAW; the airline stated that they are doing this so that their customers can arrive faster to the city centre but also so that the airline can improve its schedule so as to offer better connections in Riga.

The airline will move on March 31, it currently operates daily B737-300 flights.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days ago) and read 4755 times:

Apparently the last remaining 734s at TK have been given US registrations and are leaving very soon. The end of an era and one less subtype to manage. Now the 343s are the oldest subfleet.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 131, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 129):
he airline stated that they are doing this so that their customers can arrive faster to the city centre

 

What city center are they talking about? If its Istanbul and all the tourism areas, they went the wrong direction.

IST is mere kilometers away, while SAW is on another continent !


Anyhow - no loss. Frankly more and more carriers should look to SAW, however they need to be mindful it is away from the business and tourist heart of the city still. SAW side is primary residential suburbs.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 132, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Sounds like the LH-TK venture idea is still strong.

Lufthansa will keep as consultant a retiring LH board member to help "deepen cooperation with Turkish Airline".

Story:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...thansa-board-idUSBRE92J12K20130320

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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 133, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 131):

Haha I found it strange too. Ataturk is very close to the city while SAW is, like you said it, on another continent. I guess airBaltic is after the lower yielding passengers which are very price sensitive so they had to recalculate their costs. Also, I guess that the fact that they couldn't change their flight times could be another important factor.
Then again, with Turkish Airlines increasing its presence in Riga it doesn't really matter.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 134, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Lufthansa Cargo link FRA-TLV to IST in summer, thrice weekly MD11F.

User currently offlineumit From Turkey, joined May 2009, 127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 135, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 133):

Actually considering the traffic on the European side of the city specially during the rush hours makes SAW is very attractive. I live in the Anatolian side (Beykoz) and both airport is almost the same distance and if i have the opportunity I always prefer to use SAW for domestic flights . I would say if you are not arriving up to 9 or 10 am to SAW , weekdays it is not so bad to cross the bridges to the other side .


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1305 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

Quoting umit (Reply 135):
Actually considering the traffic on the European side of the city specially during the rush hours makes SAW is very attractive. I live in the Anatolian side (Beykoz) and both airport is almost the same distance and if i have the opportunity I always prefer to use SAW for domestic flights . I would say if you are not arriving up to 9 or 10 am to SAW , weekdays it is not so bad to cross the bridges to the other side .

Yes but what about tourist ? Area like Topkapi or Aga Sophia are far closer to IST.

For example the Havas bus from IST to Taksim says 40min per their website, but from SAW its 1.5hr.

SAW might be good for local market, but I think for tourist its out of the way, unless the fare savings are so significant to put up with the added time and inconvenience.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 137, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4297 times:

From Turkish Airlines' Facebook page:

'Time for a new guess for our new destination! One new hint for every 1000 Likes!'

Does anyone know which destination they might be referring to?

Quoting umit (Reply 135):

Could be. They are also referring to a free bus ride to the city centre, so that might seem attractive enough to those travelling on a tight budget.
Then again, I think it has more to do with the slots and charges than with the distance from the city centre.


User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 138, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 137):

Most probably IAH. From 1st of April TK launches IAH flights.


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

Hi,

This is my first post here in this forum.

I'm living in Ankara. TK105 was my first flight and used to be main flight for Ankara passengers connecting to the world back in 90s (now it is TK2105 I believe). I travel frequently mostly with TK, but also with EK, LH, KL, OA, A3, 9W, IT. I also provide data to FR24 as LTAC.

Next week I'll be on TK33, the first flight to IAH on 1st of Apr and be back on 5th. The flight is completely sold out and I'll provide you a short TR.

Now I'm on my way to DXB and just landed at IST. I saw below plane which I suppose is the first leased 777W with a registration VP-xxx. Can any one confirm it?



User currently offlineumit From Turkey, joined May 2009, 127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 140, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 139):

Welcome to a.net , very nice introduction by the way. Nice picture , I did not know TK uses planes without painting them .


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 141, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting emrecan (Reply 138):

They just announced it, it was Aqaba 


User currently onlineSkyeurope From Germany, joined May 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

@TK105

That's VP-CAL, a VIP B777-200LR

I saw it on FR24 this morning..


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 143, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

While we are at it, any real prospects that sometime in this decade, TK create a European base in ADB, with direct flights to major European Airports (CDG, LHR, DME/VNO, AMS, FCO, MXP/LIN, BCN, MAD), major Star Alliance hubs (BRU, ZRH, DUS, VIE) and both (FRA) ? That would somehow relieve IST, follow-up with the growth of the Izmir area, prevent competitors from gaining too much footage there, and ensure further utilisation of some newly-ordered NB frames...

User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

AMS, DUS, FRA, ZRH, VIE are already flown by SunExpress from ADB, and I think that we will see XQ flying the other destinations instead of TK. However, I wish to fly AMS-ADB directly (or RTM-IST-ADB) with TK in the summers.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 145, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

TK cant even maintain its 2-class product to Ankara due lack of premium demand let alone services to Europe from Izmir.

Sun Express, or competing LCC like Pegasus is the better model to serve Izmir, which by its location is more leisure heavy anyhow.

For now TKs focus is building a secondary base at SAW, while AnadoluJet focuses on Ankara.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 146, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Wouldn't seasonality also prove to be a problem for Turkish Airlines in Izmir?

User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 145):
TK cant even maintain its 2-class product to Ankara due lack of premium demand

This is primarily being that the business class is actually not a real business class. The seats are the same seats as economy seats (the middle seat empty) and 34 inch legroom. This is not a business class, at best a premium economy class.

The lounge access is not a big deal - you can get it free with credit card clubs and also Miles and Smiles levels.

Usually the ticket prices being at least 2 or 3 times higher than economy, with no difference in comfort, people rather buy economy class. Proper business class seats would make a huge difference.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 148, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

In this thread it says Air France is adding Istanbul service from Paris Orly. Sounds like a existing flight is being shifted away from CDG.
Air France Reform And Strengthen Orly Network (by mercure1 Mar 28 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Funny, how TK after many decades moved from ORY to CDG, and now AF look to try ORY-IST.

Edit - found it in GDS

AF1856 ORY-IST 1025-1440 A321
AF1857 IST-ORY 1535-1810 A321

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[Edited 2013-03-28 10:11:29]


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User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 149, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 139):

According to http://kokpit.aero/vip-777-kimi-tasiyor , this T7 brought the president of Cameroon to Istanbul


User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3400 times:

I found these two photos of TK 333 showing off with the new Istanbul 2020 Olympic logo http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1208375 and this one http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1208378 I hope Istanbul can win the bid and more important the city will have the new airport built ????

User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

A colleague of mine needs to visit our company rep in GIG next week. We initially planned a trip as ESB-IST-GRU-GIG via TK / TAM. Apparently for 2-3 weeks TK is either fully booked or very expensive. So we ended up with LH as ESB-MUC-FRA-GIG which was 40% cheaper!

Last time I visited GRU, I spoke to station manager who happened to be there while we were checking in. When I asked him the reason for TK not considering GIG, he said that all parties flying to GIG were on a loss due to harsh competition.

But my rep says that Turkey in general is very popular as a touristic destination. So I think it is good time for TK to consider GIG perhaps with a tag to SCL.

On a side note, I returned today from DXB via IST. Interestingly my last leg, TK2150 to ESB had to wait at the beginning of run way for some 15 minutes due to birds! I do not know if this is seasonal, or bird activities at IST is increasing due to nearby Istanbul Aquarium.


User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 152, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 148):

Would't this limit the transfer pax capabilities of AF? Does it mean TK has so much market share that many are not choosing AF as a one stop option to further points?



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 153, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 152):
Would't this limit the transfer pax capabilities of AF? Does it mean TK has so much market share that many are not choosing AF as a one stop option to further points?

I wouldn't call it a loss for Turkish pax, as CDG is notoriously bad for transiting - bad inter-terminal transport, few F&B options, rude staff, strikes, etc... Not that MUC / FRA have kinder staff, but at least they are efficient. But I also wonder the percentage of transfer pax on IST-CDG, IST-FRA, IST-MUC, IST-LHR, IST-AMS on AF, LH, BA, KL...


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 154, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Personally I think AF is trying to capture more of the local traffic flow.

ORY is more central to Paris and more convenient for many. Also does not hurt that much of the Turkish diaspora live in the sections of town closer to ORY as well. TK would have happily itself stayed at ORY, if not for the Star push to collocate facilities at CDG.

While yes AF and Skyteam lose access to longhaul connection flow, I guess they must think this move will be a net positive. They are scheduling a bigger A321 on the market after all.



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User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

@LAXintl 154

As far as I know, ORY is AF 's hub for Africa. In this regard, I would not be surprised if AF also targets Francophone Africa connecting passengers via ORY and steal some traffic of rapidly growing TK in the region.


User currently onlineSkyeurope From Germany, joined May 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 155):
@LAXintl 154

As far as I know, ORY is AF 's hub for Africa. In this regard, I would not be surprised if AF also targets Francophone Africa connecting passengers via ORY and steal some traffic of rapidly growing TK in the region.

No, all AF flights to Africa leave from CDG. ORY has only got some European and French Overseas destinations.


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

@Skyeurope 156:

Thanks for clarification. I checked on Wiki, you are right.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 158, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

Kotil says Australia service "most likely in 2014". He mentions both nonstop option using 77W or 777LR, but at same time says "planning to connect through either Bangkok or Jakarta."

He also says, TK will switch 8 A330 and 7 A340 aircraft into a higher density configuration for shorter haul operations.
Says the aircraft will feature the same new seats as on the A321 fleet with 31-inch pith and be reconfigured by 2014.

Story:
http://atwonline.com/airports-amp-ro...-istanbul-sydney-nonstop-services?

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 159, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 158):
Kotil says Australia service "most likely in 2014". He mentions both nonstop option using 77W or 777LR, but at same time says "planning to connect through either Bangkok or Jakarta."

I wouldn't be surprised if TK were in talks with AI for some of those B77Ls the latter has on offer. At a block time of 17h for IST SYD and 18h for IST SYD, the schedule could look like this:

IST SYD 1700 1800+1
SYD IST 2000 0600+1

The 5pm departure would offer good connectivity from many mid and shorthaul points and the flight would depart at the same time as the NRT flight. A 6am return would also offer optimal connectivity.

There is no way TK could make a nonstop SYD flight leave in the 1 am longhaul departure bank as that would put the aircraft in SYD way too early in the morning and during the curfew. The alternative could of course be to route the SYD flight through one of the South East Asian network points.

The above schedule could theoretically be flown with just 2 aircraft, but I would suppose that if TK were to get some B77Ls, the airline would go for a fleet of 3 or 4 at least and put a shorter North America rotation in between the SYD roundtrips.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 160, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Be interesting if the Air India 77L's are in play again.

Last time TK spoke with them, the lease pricing AI wanted was above market rates. AI basically was adamant and was looking for rates that would be high enough cover AI's purchase cost, not what the open market thought the 77L lease was worth.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 161, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 160):
Be interesting if the Air India 77L's are in play again

I believe that to be the only way for TK to operate IST SYD nonstop. At 1,000 miles longer than EK's DXB LAX, I do not believe IST SYD is feasible with B77W. Unless TK wants to venture into A345 territory of course. Such frames should not be too hard to get by.

The alternative, a route via one of TK's South East Asian destinations would not be so obvious to schedule if TK want to preserve optimal inbound and outbound connectivity for such a flight.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 162, posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

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Turkish Aviation April 2013 (by TK787 Mar 31 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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