Really looking forward to this March since we were told;
-332 Prestige will finally be delivered this month to Turkish Government
-This is the month TK will order its NB order (and maybe 350/380 combo??)
Besides this;
-Pegasus is expected to issue its IPO soon. (only 30% or so)
-TK will be in the midst of a labor agreement. Does TK employees have the right to strike if decided?
-Maybe this month we will see the final version on TK crew uniforms
-Next week IST-JFK flights will go back to 3 x daily again.( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333)
-Only two months left for the new Istanbul airport tender
-I saw this on Hurriyet Daily News today; Melbourne expecting TK flights; http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/mel...pageID=238&nID=42006&NewsCatID=345
As usual, please continue with your news, pictures, rumors and sense of humor. Keep all the political views and personal attacks to non-av threads.
Thank you,
TK787
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11498 times:
Turkish Airlines and Air Canada will be expanding their code-sharing relationship.
In addition to current 22 points in Canada, Air Canada will now provide TK with US connections also via YYZ.
Pending government approval they seek to add the below US points to their codeshare:
Atlanta
Baltimore
Charlotte
Cincinnati
Fort Lauderdale
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Las Vegas
Minneapolis
Nashville
Pittsburgh
Raleigh-Durham
San Diego
Tampa
Seattle
Boston
San Francisco
Miami
Orlando
Denver
Philadelphia
=
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I would love to see TK in my home town MEL but are they because they are making my head i just realised why my head is spinning had too much of this and now I'm and i should be doing this Anyway one could only dream ?????
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1): Atlanta
Baltimore
Charlotte
Cincinnati
Fort Lauderdale
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Las Vegas
Minneapolis
Nashville
Pittsburgh
Raleigh-Durham
San Diego
Tampa
Seattle
Boston
San Francisco
Miami
Orlando
Denver
Philadelphia
Nice list, although it is time that they expanded to secondary markets with their codeshares. BTW, why add BOS or SFO if they will be served nonstop very soon anyway?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11146 times:
Having multiple codeshares to cities already served is common, so I don't see the issue with doubling up even if BOS and SFO become stations for TK one day.
All it does is provide the consumer with added options, and an additional line of schedules to view in GDS.
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boun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11047 times:
Pegasus is starting to fly Kahramanmaras from April 1 onwards, 3 weekly. That is surprising for me. Flights are now bookable on their website. In addition, TLV is becoming double daily. I've realized they have gradually doubled their frequency to many points they fly to ( ORY, STN etc.)
I have a hunch that they will cause some trouble to TK in the long shot despite the difference in target audience or corporate strategy. What do you think?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10920 times:
Sure TK and PC but heads especially in the domestic arena (why they had to create Anadolujet) but I don't think they will be a position to cause much "trouble" in the big picture.
See luckily the market in Turkey keeps growing fast year over year, so the pie is increasing allowing everyone to sit the table and share the bounty.
If anything, I think its TK that has caused PC much trouble as TK has tied up traffic rights and blocking PC access in many markets.
Also one of the interesting things with LCCs are they often generate new traffic, and don't necessarily steal existing traffic away. With low enough offers, travelling becomes an option for many that never considered flying.
So I think PC and TK can coexisit without bumping into each other too seriously in a growing market.
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TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10712 times:
Could you guys also confirm that TK will end its sponsorships of FC Barcelona and Man United? Is this immediate or will they finish the all 3 years?
Thanks.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10602 times:
Quoting JU068 (Reply 8): Is the O&D markets between Istanbul and Tel Aviv big or are they relying on transit passengers, much like Turkish Airlines?
Until recently the market was huge - Turkey was one of the top couple tourism markets from Israel.
Today its more transit and business traffic as Israeli tourist have opted to go to more friendly locations.
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Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10589 times:
Guys, something very unexpected and surprising happened: the companies bidding for istanbul's 3rd airport say that the schedule is impossible to hold. Due to airkule one manager said that normally they use 200 trucks. Even if they used 20.000 (!) trucks with 5 journeys a day each of them, they would need 4 years to fill the old mines at the land foreseen for the airport. Opening not before 2021. Well, building and airport is not comparable to LEGO...
JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10153 times:
Pegasus has already loaded a fifth flight from Sabiha to Belgrade into its system, it will be operated on Mondays. More and more competition for Turkish Airlines in the Balkans, bad for them but good for the travellers.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9972 times:
Quoting flood (Reply 15): Any further information on that front?
Nothing from the Turkish media either, we are used to waiting for big orders. Just like the articles suggest, Turkish government wants more local manufacturing jobs attached to a big order, not just good pricing/ better delivery slots. http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1362363162.html
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 388 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9957 times:
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 13):
Guys, something very unexpected and surprising happened: the companies bidding for istanbul's 3rd airport say that the schedule is impossible to hold. Due to airkule one manager said that normally they use 200 trucks. Even if they used 20.000 (!) trucks with 5 journeys a day each of them, they would need 4 years to fill the old mines at the land foreseen for the airport. Opening not before 2021. Well, building and airport is not comparable to LEGO...
if this true ... the whole design/contract process would be up on the air for a while!!!
I am somewhat sceptical regarding such doomsday theories. If an airport can be built on an artificial island in 7 years (KIX, HKG) or even 5 (NGO), I am pretty sure some old mines - as big as they are - can be filled in 4-5 years. If necessary, a small port can be built by the Black Sea to where ships can deliver material to be used for the landfill. Plus, I bet there is some levelling to be done, not only holes to be filled but hills to be razed so it all comes down to engineering and project management.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9912 times:
The President of Kyrgyzstan says TK could operate a Istanbul-Bishkek-Tokyo service as part of a new Kyrgyz-Japan agreement.
Previously I had heard they TK also explored service to China via Bishkek. Today TK routes its Ulan Bator Mongolia service via Bishkek.
At the same time Pegasus is looking to reignite its own Kyrgyzstan joint venture plans with Air Manas which it purchased a 49% stake in last year, to form a "Pegasus Asia" by leasing a 737NG to the venture that would offer services to Russia, China, Kazakhstan and Turkey.
gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1098 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9884 times:
Hey guys I need some help. I am thinking of a last minute trip for Schalke Vs Galatasaray, I found a decent price ticket to DUS via FRA from JFK. My question is will 1 hour 20 minutes be enough for me to make it to my connecting flights in FRA? Appreciate your help on this.
ankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 226 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9797 times:
AZ seems to shelve FCO ESB that was supposed to be reinstated on March 25 thrice weekly as the flight seems to removed from data base. FCO AYT seasonal service seems to remain though as planned. I think the recent shake up with AZ Board obliged them to revisit their immediate plans to expand.
gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1098 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9693 times:
I am still wondering if the market is there or if they are just trying to fight Pegasus by increasing their own presence in TLV. With so many additional flights from IST to TLV let's hope Turkish Airlines keeps on sending their widebodies there.
Do you have the new schedule?
Quoting gokmengs (Reply 25): Thanks my friend appreciate your reply.
No problem, I also wanted to add that some years ago when my connection was very short or if my inbound flight was delayed they would have someone wait for me at the gate and escort me right away to my next flight- they would use those funny little cars they have there.
The past week or two I noticed that Turkish Airlines had been sending their A330-300s to Spain (Madrid and Barcelona). It is quite unexpected with the current state of the Spanish economy.
JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 28, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9706 times:
Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 27): Also european routes Antalya-Pristina and from Sabiha Gökcen to Belgrade, Sarajevo and Skopje added.
Yes, these flights have been operating for about a month now. Though I suppose that Antalya to Pristina will operate from the summer season.
Pegasus will operate a total of 51 flights from AYT to Belgrade from May to October while Sky will operate five weekly flights from AYT to Belgrade and one to Nis (southern Serbia).
stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 30, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9575 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 29):
What is MNGjet?
Skyliners have a new registration; TC-EJA, a CRJ200 for MNG jet.
never heard about them before; according to their website www.mngjet.com :
"MNG Jet is specialized in business jet operations and maintenance. As of Jan 2013, it operates 1 Challenger 601, 3 Challenger 604, 1 Challenger 300, 1 Hawker 800XP and a Global 5000 VIP aircraft."
tolmachevo From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 34, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9094 times:
Quoting gokmengs (Reply 21): Hey guys I need some help. I am thinking of a last minute trip for Schalke Vs Galatasaray, I found a decent price ticket to DUS via FRA from JFK
Have you thought of getting the train from Frankfurt airport to the Schalke stadium in Gelsenkirchen? It takes about 2:20, with just two changes. From Düsseldorf Airport to the stadium by train is about 1:05, so it is probably quicker to get the train, rather than plane and train...
Take a look at www.bahn.de/en for train times. You can enter Veltins Arena as your final destination.
gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1098 posts, RR: 2 Reply 35, posted (2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8965 times:
Hey man thanks for the good advice, however I am spending couple nights in DUS before the game meeting with other GS fans fom Europe and Turkey If I was going the day of the game your way would be excellent. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
CaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0 Reply 37, posted (2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8923 times:
i am still hoping that TK will get permission to add more Indian destinations, come on BLR!! Its getting way too expensive for me to fly to India from LAX now .
Northstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 39, posted (2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8777 times:
Quoting umit (Reply 38): seven 777 coming in april . Anybody knows where are they coming from ?
There was a thread about it a couple of months ago, it was discussed to death, however nobody was able to find the sources. Amongst possible were the 77Ls of Air India - which are coincidentally 7, and Air India wants to get rid of them.
You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
Wow, cool, havent seen that before; http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...topcu-2003te-pilotlar-issizdi.html
From the above article;
"Filodaki 210 uçağa ek olarak 7 geniş gövdeli uçak kiraladıklarını kaydeden Topçu, bu uçakların Mayıs ayından itibaren filodaki yerlerini alacaklarını kaydetti."
Let me start a new thread so we can find more about it
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 42, posted (2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8534 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 40): Let me start a new thread so we can find more about it
As I wrote in that thread, these are almost certainly 9W aircraft, most likely all seven of them. Jet simply doesn't need these frames. That will surely be a nice boost to the TK widebody fleet and cater for some capacity upgauges from A330/A343 to B77W network wide with the freed up A330/A343 capacity tp be used for expansion.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 43, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8325 times:
http://web.shgm.gov.tr/doc5/ahls.pdf (in Turkish)
Maybe someone can do a better job of translating but this means IST is at FULL CAPACITY.
Turkish Civil A.A. is telling domestic carriers not to expect any more slots at IST (especially domestic) and make plans accordingly; keeping an eye on the developments on the future Istanbul airport and make use of other airports.
-TK, Atlasjet, Pegasus, Onur; no domestic expansion at IST for the next 5 years?
-TK to receive 40( 7 leased) WBs and 30 Narrow bodies next 5 years, where do they go?
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 44, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8305 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 43): http://web.shgm.gov.tr/doc5/ahls.pdf (in Turkish)
Maybe someone can do a better job of translating but this means IST is at FULL CAPACITY.
Turkish Civil A.A. is telling domestic carriers not to expect any more slots at IST (especially domestic) and make plans accordingly; keeping an eye on the developments on the future Istanbul airport and make use of other airports.
Obviously they want to make way for TK's planned int'l expansion. Since domestic is bringing in less money and wasting slots with smaller aircraft they are pushing those to SAW. SAW will also get messy soon obviously. And in a few years PC will be receiving more A/C
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 45, posted (2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8022 times:
According to ch-aviation.ch; Turkish Airlines (TK, Istanbul Atatürk/Yesilköy International (IST)) has wet-leased A330-200(F) 9M-MUC (c/n 1164) from Malaysia Airlines (MH, Kuala Lumpur International (KUL)) complementing its own cargo fleet that currently consists of three A310-300(F)s and three A330-200(F)s. Turkish Cargo also has two additional A330-200 freighters on order that will be delivered later this year.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 46, posted (2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7947 times:
Some various bits of news -
o Air Astana and THY have signed cooperation agreement. Besides codeshares on routes to Almaty and Astana effective May the carriers will being to offer special prorate agreements for connections service to North America and Europe via Istanbul. Air Astana itself voted Best Airline Central Asia and India by Skytrax has been blocked by European authorities to grow its route network.
o Turkish has apparently become the largest airline in Saudi Arabia outside GCC member nations. In 2012 is carried 750,000 passengers on its 6-city network in the Kingdom.
Quoting JU068 (Reply 26): I am still wondering if the market is there
TK is a very popular airline for Israeli travelers to Europe, Far-East and even US. Good fares, good network.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 43): This is going to be messy.
Well the government does allocate slots, so they do have the ability give some preference.
As the document states it sounds like Turkey wants to ensure that foreign parties can fully utilize their bilateral rights for service to Ataturk and not find that lack of slots blocks such rights. For example LH last year complained it was unable to operate its full desired schedule at IST due to lack of slot allocation.
So as the document states, by 2014 unless an airline is launching an all new domestic market from Ataturk, they will not allow growth of slots on existing domestic routes.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 45): has wet-leased A330-200(F) 9M-MUC (c/n 1164) from Malaysia Airlines
I thought this was announced a few months ago. Maybe we forgot to post it here.
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Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18838 posts, RR: 54 Reply 47, posted (2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7935 times:
I'm thinking about flying TK LGW-IST-LGW in a few months (and it's over £50 cheaper than EZY on LTN-SAW-LTN). Both sectors are scheduled to be by the 321, and I realise, of course, that it may change. What does TK offer aboard its 321s? It's a short flight so I'm not bothered by IFE, but do they have it? Does TK offer inclusive meals on that route? Anything else that would be useful to know? Thanks very much!
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
IzfE depends on the paricular configuration; older planes don't while newer deliveries do. and yes, complementary meal is offered on European flights in Y.
Very interesting;
-No wonder TK won't let anyone else on the ESB route.
-Only two cities from Germany on the top ten and none from Russia.
-LAX in number 3 after only a short time. Double daily must be coming soon.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 51, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7492 times:
Keep in mind this is total revenue for the station, not per flight. So ESB who has something like 30-daily departures daily so its only makes sense its at the top.
Also list does not mean - most profitable either. Could be something like Mogadishu, 3x weekly is more profitable on a per flight basis then all flights to a busy station like FRA lets say.
But list is interesting never the less. Shows markets where THY is generating the most revenue at.
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TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 53, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7510 times:
According to Airporthaber.com the military part of IST has been transferred to DHMI. The shelters will make way for 40 parking areas for civil aircraft.
What will happen with the aviation museum?
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
MeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0 Reply 54, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7486 times:
Quoting TK1244 (Reply 53): According to Airporthaber.com the military part of IST has been transferred to DHMI. The shelters will make way for 40 parking areas for civil aircraft.
What will happen with the aviation museum?
It was spoken at least by 15 years, a dream comes true
Shelters and military homes may relocate but museum should stay there where it belongs in my opinion. Lets wait and see how things work about construction...
A bit political but ; why a prime minister should go over to see landscape of airport and 3rd bridge built ? What is his profession about this is he architect engineer or geologist
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 55, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7442 times:
Quoting MeCe (Reply 54): why a prime minister should go over to see landscape of airport and 3rd bridge built ?
Not that political I think.
Some people have a very bad time with visualizing things. I know from first hand. So they have to go up there and see it from up there, they are not capable of looking at a 2 dimensional map and imagine it. Very common.
It helps to have a nice Sikorsky at your disposal. I have been inside those helicopters and even the base model is incredible, so much room; can stand up, walk around. Just amazing. I hear Turkey is getting two more of the same type.
TK748 From Turkey, joined May 2010, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 57, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7348 times:
Quoting TK1244 (Reply 53): According to Airporthaber.com the military part of IST has been transferred to DHMI. The shelters will make way for 40 parking areas for civil aircraft.
Guys, I had a chance to work on New Istanbul Airport tender for a group, and I must admit that it is impossible to finish on planned time. It is really a challenging project. That is why government planning some expansion in IST.
ESB is a revenue generator for TK not solely as a domestic route but I am sure considerable amount of international sales are made from Ankara. Please refer to amount of transit pax on IST ESB route, nearly half of the pax are feeding from TK's international network ex IST, the other half also has transit pax by other airlines ex-IST (BA,AF,AZ etc.)
I hope we will have some comptetiton to TK at ESB by major internatinal airlines eventually.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 59, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7150 times:
Airportbaber has a couple interviews that might be interesting providing some insight at two longhaul stations.
First one is with the Los Angeles regional manager following the two-year anniversary of opening the station.
Some comment highlights:
o After 2-years, monthly load factor has grown from initial 70% to 90% last summer
o Of passengers carried last year, 43% were for Turkey, and 57% were transit passengers
o Top beyond markets are Iran, Israel, Lebanon, India, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Greece, Kenya, Pakistan and Egypt.
o THY is the #1 airline serving the 1 million strong Iranian diaspora in California
o Marketing association with Kobe Bryant very useful building broad awareness for THY brand globally.
o After Houston next USA routes likely Boston and San Francisco
Second interview is with the Turkish Airlines China manager.
o After the USA, China market largest longhaul market based on seat capacity for TK
o TK which is a relative new player starting its first China flight in 1999 will operate 28 weekly frequencies this summer to 4 destinations (PEK, CAN, PVG, HKG)
o Beijing is especially strong market. Over 190,000 passengers carried with load factor of 85%. Estimate 200,000 customers in 2013
o Premium customers make up 23% share of boardings at PEK and grew 26% in 2012, with business class occupancy in top-5 of all TK markets.
o Cargo big part of TK activity in China. Have up to 6 weekly cargo frequencies spread between Hong Kong, Shanghai and Guangzhou.
o Cargo also benefit from use of passenger flights with 777 having 24-tons of cargo capacity versus 10-12 tons on A330-A340.
o 65% of TK China traffic is transit passengers, with about half headed to Europe with Germany where TK has 11 stations being the biggest market
o China-Africa traffic growing fast as TK offers one of the shortest routes - often 6hours faster versus competitors
o Turkey trying to join the list of 45 nations that can have 3-day, visa-free travel in China
o Trying hard to get additional slots. Also Air China is looking at serving IST which might help TK get more slots in return.
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 58): ESB is a revenue generator for TK not solely as a domestic route but I am sure considerable amount of international sales are made from Ankara.
True - but is it profitable ? Generating volume is one thing, but is it a high enough yield volume is the bigger question to make it worthwhile for other airlines to pursue.
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leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 60, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7111 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59): True - but is it profitable ? Generating volume is one thing, but is it a high enough yield volume is the bigger question to make it worthwhile for other airlines to pursue.
I agree with you, but somehow I doubt average fares per pax originating in ESB are lower than those originating in IST.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 62, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6960 times:
I noticed in the OAG thread that now DL will now not have JFK-IST service in September.
So I went into GDS and sure enough - last JFK-IST flight is September 1st.
Talk about a short season this year - barely 5 months!
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 60): I agree with you, but somehow I doubt average fares per pax originating in ESB are lower than those originating in IST.
I think I have seen a report on actual ESB vs IST revenue to various markets in Europe. Let me find it, and I'll post it.
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TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 63, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6826 times:
The usual few notes from yesterday TK 12 JFK-IST, free wifi on the -JNN "Anadolu"
As usual full Y and J and a 50% or so Comfort from what I can see.
On time, great flight, only different things I noticed;
-A service of packaged dried apricots and Turkish delight after dinner service.
-Temp inside the plane was not super hot, thanks.
-As usual all kinds of people having problems reclining their seats. Not that easy, need FA help, especially elder pax.
-I found a two inch piece of plastic part in my meal, a broken plastic fork or a piece of a plastic hanger. Pretty big, FA's were very nice about it, they took my name and they said they will report it.
-IST arrivals piece of cake, but outside the customs area very crowded.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 64, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6709 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 63): -I found a two inch piece of plastic part in my meal, a broken plastic fork or a piece of a plastic hanger.
Wow, poor QC by the D&O JFK kitchen.
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JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 67, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6445 times:
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 66): The crew on this particular flight was extremely depressed as the death of the purser in KIX
had just happened... May her soul rest in peace...
TurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1407 posts, RR: 9 Reply 68, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6466 times:
Dear fellow Turkish A.netters,
It is quite likely (if no problems with visa) that I will be coming to live in Washington DC for a few years as of mid-April... I will naturally need a moderately priced (lol) place to live preferably very close to downtown or on the metro route... Do we have any members in DC who could share some ideas with me? Or better yet, do you know someone who rents our his/her apt/room in DC area?
Northstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 71, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6327 times:
Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 69): A large order is going to be announced pretty soon by TK Can't tell you anymore right now
Well, if you are referring to this, it is already in the news, but I was waiting for some A380s too - no mention of it in the article
Some interesting tidbits is that the company has revealed its earnings for the last couple of years.
2012 it achieved a 126.3 million lira (USD $70 million) profit in compared to a 14.1 million-lira loss in 2011.
The company ended 2012 with 1.24 billion liras of long-term debt.
Also the ownership of the company has been clearly revealed, with 96.5 owned by ESAS Holdings and rest in private hands.
The IPO calls for about 32million shares to be sold that represent about 31% of the company. Company is hoping to raise capital of 102.3 million liras with the IPO. Much of the IPO proceeds will go to help gain added credit for its Airbus fleet.
Barclays Plc and Is Yatirim Menkul Degerler AS will be running the IPO.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15733 posts, RR: 48 Reply 79, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6038 times:
How is IAH booking? Given the dirt cheap CPT and LHR fares I've been seeing on facebook I'm guessing not very well. Then again they went from 4>6/wk this week in OAG.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 80, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6002 times:
In a first sign that additional B77W capacity is about to come online, TK has loaded the following extra and upgauged flights from 01JUL:
TK033/034 IAH to increase from 4 to 6 weekly
TK015/016 GRU EZE to increase from 4 weekly to daily
TK090/091 ICN to upgauge from A330 to B77W daily
I would fully expect that new longhaul routes will be announced soon with the freed up capacity from the ICN route and additional capacity that is about to come online.
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 82, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5902 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 80): In a first sign that additional B77W capacity is about to come online, TK has loaded the following extra and upgauged flights from 01JUL:
TK033/034 IAH to increase from 4 to 6 weekly
TK015/016 GRU EZE to increase from 4 weekly to daily
TK090/091 ICN to upgauge from A330 to B77W daily
I would fully expect that new longhaul routes will be announced soon with the freed up capacity from the ICN route and additional capacity that is about to come online.
GRU/EZE load factors are very high, so that makes sense, but IAH already before first flight? Advance bookings must actually be good. We can see BOS maybe? Before any one of the ME3 get there?
JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 84, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5867 times:
Does anyone know if Turkish Airlines ever considered the Boeing B767 for its fleet? This particular aircraft is a very popular one and it seems that a lot of airline are satisfied with it.
I would also guess that when it comes to European routes it would surely be more profitable than the Airbus A330. Naturally, I am referring to a combination of long-haul and short-haul operations.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 85, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5841 times:
It seems that the added capacity represents 3 additional B77W frames, that will be sourced from Jet Airways. These aircraft will come off lease from Thai Airways in the next couple of months. Still, TK announced that 7 additional wide body frames would join the fleet this year through short term leases. It seems that the 4 additional frames will not be coming from Jet, as Etihad has laid its eyes on those, so where could the additional capacity be coming from? Could TK be interested in the 4 A332 frames that Gulf Air has just returned to its lessor?
Quoting JU068 (Reply 84): Does anyone know if Turkish Airlines ever considered the Boeing B767 for its fleet?
Why introduce yet another type to the fleet when A330 frames are readily available?
MeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0 Reply 88, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5758 times:
767 considered in late 80's than A310 choosed, mostly political. 340 was chosen because of ETOPS limitations, at the time 310 fleet was can not be maintained ETOPS standards so they go for a 4 holer.
TurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1407 posts, RR: 9 Reply 90, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5698 times:
Quoting JU068 (Reply 67):
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 66):
The crew on this particular flight was extremely depressed as the death of the purser in KIX
had just happened... May her soul rest in peace...
What happened to her?
She died in her hotel room during a layover... Presumably heart attack
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15733 posts, RR: 48 Reply 91, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5658 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 82): but IAH already before first flight? Advance bookings must actually be good.
I don't get what's going on here. They're offering ridiculous fares to Western Europe which would seem an act of desperation, but they may also think going to 6/wk will be a better schedule for business pax.
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 82): GRU/EZE load factors are very high, so that makes sense,
Wasn't this one of the poorest performing TK longhaul flights?
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 92, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5652 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 91): Wasn't this one of the poorest performing TK longhaul flights?
No longer the case. In fact, in the latest figures published for Jan-Feb 2013, LatAm (made up of only GRU/EZE for now) has the highest LF of all regions with 84.6%, up from 65.2% same period last year. Obviously EZE tag on has helped loads quite a bit.
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 93, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5614 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 92): Obviously EZE tag on has helped loads quite a bit.
And change of the schedule as well as it had a major impact on the connectivity into the middle east. Maybe we can see seperated GRU EZE flights in the future.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15733 posts, RR: 48 Reply 94, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5613 times:
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 93): And change of the schedule as well as it had a major impact on the connectivity into the middle east. Maybe we can see seperated GRU EZE flights in the future.
I'm not sure; it has to be the most dreadful transatlantic schedule in existence right now. Guessing from TK's past actions, they probably just trashed the fare and filled up on volume.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 95, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5611 times:
IAH is booking well. Don't get distracted with low fares. TK was running 90% LF here in LA and still was selling $599 fares to Turkey last summer (as they are doing today).
TK has moved away from looking at segment profitability to a more holistic network view.
As long as IAH provides good volume of traffic to bolster other flying, its all good.
Per that interview I linked in Reply 59, the Western US manager thinks BOS and SFO are next on cards.
Quoting JU068 (Reply 84): Does anyone know if Turkish Airlines ever considered the Boeing B767 for its fleet? This particular aircraft is a very popular one and it seems that a lot of airline are satisfied with it.
Yes about 25 years ago.
Quoting JU068 (Reply 89): Thank you for your replies. I wonder if they had chosen the B767 back then would it have been a better choice than the A310.
I doubt it. Choice at the time was 767-200 vs A310. The A310 was better all around, not the least being wider and having ability to carry full pallets. Also helped that half of Europe had the aircraft so TK could cooperate with airlines like KL, SR, LH for training, parts, etc.
The A310 opened many doors at TK. The first Trans Atlantic service, first service to Far East, first 2 then 3 class product etc.. It all worked out well. When larger capacity was needed beyond the 14 strong A310 fleet, the carrier easily rolled into the A340.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 91): I don't get what's going on here. They're offering ridiculous fares to Western Europe which would seem an act of desperation, but they may also think going to 6/wk will be a better schedule for business pax.
Listen TK just posted strong 2012 profits yesterday. They had a operating margin of almost 19%.
I think they have a handle on managing revenues and yield across the network that work for them.
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15733 posts, RR: 48 Reply 97, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5583 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 95): TK was running 90% LF here in LA and still was selling $599 fares to Turkey last summer (as they are doing today).
Pretty much everything in North America over the last twelve months averages out to something in the 70s, and with those fares, and my anecdotal trips in near empty J, I'm convinced the region is still very much in the developmental or "strategic" stage.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 95):
TK has moved away from looking at segment profitability to a more holistic network view.
Every network carrier does that, some just don't have the luxury to sustain a long spool up on long haul routes like I think EK/EY/QR/TK are to the Americas.
J is clearly not "near empty" on a broader scale.
We have some frequent flyers posting here. See comments of TK787 in reply 63. Full J class cabin again on his flights this week.
I have seen the traffic and revenue numbers, and frankly, TK is suffering from a lack of J seats very often.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 97): I'm convinced the region is still very much in the developmental or "strategic" stage.
And nothing wrong with that.
Even of the entire longhaul network at TK was a loss making exercise it might still be a very valuable component of a broader network. For example, at many US airlines domestic ops might be loss making, but the feed is critical for longhaul.
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HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 99, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5411 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 98): TK is suffering from a lack of J seats very often
I am not surprised. The configuration of the 77W in particular with 28J vs 63W seems particularly imbalanced. I believe something like 6 rows of 2-2-2 (instead of the current 2-3-2) spread over 2 cabins for J + 6 rows of 2-3-2 for W would be much more appropriate for destinations such as JFK, LAX and HKG.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 100, posted (2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5295 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 98): We have some frequent flyers posting here. See comments of TK787 in reply 63. Full J class cabin again on his flights this week.
J fare in the upper $3000s JFK-IST if I remember correctly but Comfort class was around $1000, still half full. J is so booked that this is the second flight I have seen Turkish celebrities flying Comfort since the J is full. (The ones that can easily afford to fly up front, like Acun Ilicali)
I will go like this; cut out half of comfort to install business cabin than go 10 abreast economy for more profit and more push comfort class. But I hope no one read this from management
vincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 0 Reply 104, posted (2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4976 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 80): In a first sign that additional B77W capacity is about to come online, TK has loaded the following extra and upgauged flights from 01JUL:
IST-ICN showing 777 without Comfort Class, any other routes with those newly leased 777s?
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 105, posted (2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4968 times:
Quoting vincewy (Reply 104): IST-ICN showing 777 without Comfort Class, any other routes with those newly leased 777s?
TK090/091 IST ICN IST and TK015/016 IST GRU EZE GRU IST are the routes that will operate withtout comfort class. They also take exactly 3 frames to operate, with a 7-hour ground time in ICN and 3 h 45 in IST in between flights. Pretty tight scheduling, so expect the occasional sub with comfort class on these routes.
TK is also not offering any First Class service on these flights, so I would expect these routes to operate with a 38-seat J cabin, including the 30 regular Jet Airways J-seat and the 8 First Suites.
tkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1 Reply 108, posted (2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4398 times:
According to the latest Presentation of TK, the 737-400 will leave this year, the 737-700 in 2015 and by 2017 they will have only 8 A319, 17 A320.
All leaving smaller A/C will be replaced by only 4 320NEO and ! 113 A321 CEO/NEO.
Is this a sign, TK is aware that there will be huge delays with the Third Airport? The only way they can boost capacity at Atatürk Airport is by using larger A/C.
Assumed, there will be no delay with the third Airport. Are 8 A319 enough to introduce new secondary destinations in Europe and Middle East?
Does anybody has operating cost numbers for A319/A320/A321 on a specific route?
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 111, posted (2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4368 times:
This is the delivery schedule I made using their presentation and the info on latest order. Don't know how deliveries of A320/320NEO/321NEO is split so put those together.
sirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 282 posts, RR: 22 Reply 112, posted (2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4373 times:
According to Boeing's website there are 14 -800's and 6 -900ER's unfilled deliveries from that order at the end of February. One -900ER was already delivered this month, so now there are 14 -800's and 5 -900ER's unfilled.
I expect also a follow on order with Boeing. Seeing how popular the -700MAX is, I dont think TK wants to order them.
on another not, the first delivered 737NG are almost 15 years old. time to replace at least half of its 738 fleet in the coming years.
Quoting sirtoby (Reply 109): And for the B737-700/A319 segment the CS300 could maybe have a chance...
This might be a solution for new destinations and thinner routes, but only with the new Airport.
Otherwise it would be a waste of slots at Atatürk Airport.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 115, posted (2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4343 times:
Yes the first batch of 738s are 15 years old this year. In total there is 18 that were delivered between 1998-2000 that will need to be considered pretty soon.
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leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 116, posted (2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4309 times:
Quoting tkfan (Reply 114): Your table implies about >180 Aircraft yet to be delivered??
Taking into account they have nearly 210 A/C today.... sums up to Kotil's forecast.
In an previous interview, Temel Kotil said, their fleet will have 375 A/C by 2020
Yep, 190 to be exact Taking retirements into consideration, we might see 300 or so frames by 2020. Of course we will see more orders by then.
About the 343s, does anyone even have an idea? Even the 734s are still here at the ripe age of 21
As far as I know, there was talk about 7 additional wide bodies, but so far only these 3 have been confirmed. Did the original plan call for 7 aircraft to come from 9W but did the deal for the last 4 aircraft fall through? 9W's new relationship with EY seems to have come between this deal. I wonder whether there will indeed be 4 additional widebody frames or whether fleet reinforcements will be limited to just 3.
While the 3 B77Ws will be deployed on the GRU EZE and ICN routes, nett increase in flying so far has only been the addition of 3 weekly IST GRU EZE and 2 weekly IST IAH services, so TK should still have some room for further expansion, maybe to lauch Boston or Manila or make Kuala Lumpur daily.
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 122, posted (2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3922 times:
Well, it seems MLE-CMB, KIX, and CAN will be daily (in addition to boosts for IAH, GRU-EZE, ICN) in W13, but that is still far away... Also, LOS becomes daily 332. All from airlineroute.net.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 123, posted (2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3849 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 122): Well, it seems MLE-CMB, KIX, and CAN will be daily (in addition to boosts for IAH, GRU-EZE, ICN) in W13
Let's not forget that in the second half of 2013 the first 2 A333s from the new order of 20 frames will join the fleet. That will easily cover the additional frequencies to make those routes daily.
stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 124, posted (2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3564 times:
not only passenger side is grow like crazy, but also cargo! lattest addition to TK Cargo fleet is a leased MNG 332freighter. as far as I know the MAS Cargo 33F is also still under contract. picture can be seen on skyliner (horrible livery...)
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 126, posted (1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3125 times:
http://kokpit.aero/ugur-cebeci-bir-kasik-suda-bogulmak
According to this article, TK couldn't decide on the new uniform and decide to stay with the current ones.
The writer explains it nicely, why TK makes such small PR mistakes with controversial uniform decisions or cutting back alcohol service on most domestic F pax, while trying to become a global carrier.
AwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 514 posts, RR: 0 Reply 128, posted (1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2871 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 121): While the 3 B77Ws will be deployed on the GRU EZE and ICN routes, nett increase in flying so far has only been the addition of 3 weekly IST GRU EZE and 2 weekly IST IAH services
I wonder if TK intends to launch new South American destinations from next year. Santiago can be easily operated by a 332 if the route has stops in Brasilia, which is Brazil's main domestic hub.
JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 129, posted (1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2729 times:
Istanbul Ataturk is losing a customer. airBaltic will shift all of its operations to SAW; the airline stated that they are doing this so that their customers can arrive faster to the city centre but also so that the airline can improve its schedule so as to offer better connections in Riga.
The airline will move on March 31, it currently operates daily B737-300 flights.
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 130, posted (1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2701 times:
Apparently the last remaining 734s at TK have been given US registrations and are leaving very soon. The end of an era and one less subtype to manage. Now the 343s are the oldest subfleet.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 131, posted (1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
Quoting JU068 (Reply 129): he airline stated that they are doing this so that their customers can arrive faster to the city centre
What city center are they talking about? If its Istanbul and all the tourism areas, they went the wrong direction.
IST is mere kilometers away, while SAW is on another continent !
Anyhow - no loss. Frankly more and more carriers should look to SAW, however they need to be mindful it is away from the business and tourist heart of the city still. SAW side is primary residential suburbs.
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Haha I found it strange too. Ataturk is very close to the city while SAW is, like you said it, on another continent. I guess airBaltic is after the lower yielding passengers which are very price sensitive so they had to recalculate their costs. Also, I guess that the fact that they couldn't change their flight times could be another important factor.
Then again, with Turkish Airlines increasing its presence in Riga it doesn't really matter.
Actually considering the traffic on the European side of the city specially during the rush hours makes SAW is very attractive. I live in the Anatolian side (Beykoz) and both airport is almost the same distance and if i have the opportunity I always prefer to use SAW for domestic flights . I would say if you are not arriving up to 9 or 10 am to SAW , weekdays it is not so bad to cross the bridges to the other side .
mercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 604 posts, RR: 2 Reply 136, posted (1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
Quoting umit (Reply 135): Actually considering the traffic on the European side of the city specially during the rush hours makes SAW is very attractive. I live in the Anatolian side (Beykoz) and both airport is almost the same distance and if i have the opportunity I always prefer to use SAW for domestic flights . I would say if you are not arriving up to 9 or 10 am to SAW , weekdays it is not so bad to cross the bridges to the other side .
Yes but what about tourist ? Area like Topkapi or Aga Sophia are far closer to IST.
For example the Havas bus from IST to Taksim says 40min per their website, but from SAW its 1.5hr.
SAW might be good for local market, but I think for tourist its out of the way, unless the fare savings are so significant to put up with the added time and inconvenience.
Could be. They are also referring to a free bus ride to the city centre, so that might seem attractive enough to those travelling on a tight budget.
Then again, I think it has more to do with the slots and charges than with the distance from the city centre.
TK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 46 posts, RR: 0 Reply 139, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2101 times:
Hi,
This is my first post here in this forum.
I'm living in Ankara. TK105 was my first flight and used to be main flight for Ankara passengers connecting to the world back in 90s (now it is TK2105 I believe). I travel frequently mostly with TK, but also with EK, LH, KL, OA, A3, 9W, IT. I also provide data to FR24 as LTAC.
Next week I'll be on TK33, the first flight to IAH on 1st of Apr and be back on 5th. The flight is completely sold out and I'll provide you a short TR.
Now I'm on my way to DXB and just landed at IST. I saw below plane which I suppose is the first leased 777W with a registration VP-xxx. Can any one confirm it?
SR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 766 posts, RR: 1 Reply 143, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
While we are at it, any real prospects that sometime in this decade, TK create a European base in ADB, with direct flights to major European Airports (CDG, LHR, DME/VNO, AMS, FCO, MXP/LIN, BCN, MAD), major Star Alliance hubs (BRU, ZRH, DUS, VIE) and both (FRA) ? That would somehow relieve IST, follow-up with the growth of the Izmir area, prevent competitors from gaining too much footage there, and ensure further utilisation of some newly-ordered NB frames...
TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 144, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
AMS, DUS, FRA, ZRH, VIE are already flown by SunExpress from ADB, and I think that we will see XQ flying the other destinations instead of TK. However, I wish to fly AMS-ADB directly (or RTM-IST-ADB) with TK in the summers.
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 145, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1859 times:
TK cant even maintain its 2-class product to Ankara due lack of premium demand let alone services to Europe from Izmir.
Sun Express, or competing LCC like Pegasus is the better model to serve Izmir, which by its location is more leisure heavy anyhow.
For now TKs focus is building a secondary base at SAW, while AnadoluJet focuses on Ankara.
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Northstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 147, posted (1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1733 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 145): TK cant even maintain its 2-class product to Ankara due lack of premium demand
This is primarily being that the business class is actually not a real business class. The seats are the same seats as economy seats (the middle seat empty) and 34 inch legroom. This is not a business class, at best a premium economy class.
The lounge access is not a big deal - you can get it free with credit card clubs and also Miles and Smiles levels.
Usually the ticket prices being at least 2 or 3 times higher than economy, with no difference in comfort, people rather buy economy class. Proper business class seats would make a huge difference.
You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 148, posted (1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1624 times:
In this thread it says Air France is adding Istanbul service from Paris Orly. Sounds like a existing flight is being shifted away from CDG. Air France Reform And Strengthen Orly Network (by mercure1 Mar 28 2013 in Civil Aviation)
Funny, how TK after many decades moved from ORY to CDG, and now AF look to try ORY-IST.
TK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 46 posts, RR: 0 Reply 151, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1294 times:
A colleague of mine needs to visit our company rep in GIG next week. We initially planned a trip as ESB-IST-GRU-GIG via TK / TAM. Apparently for 2-3 weeks TK is either fully booked or very expensive. So we ended up with LH as ESB-MUC-FRA-GIG which was 40% cheaper!
Last time I visited GRU, I spoke to station manager who happened to be there while we were checking in. When I asked him the reason for TK not considering GIG, he said that all parties flying to GIG were on a loss due to harsh competition.
But my rep says that Turkey in general is very popular as a touristic destination. So I think it is good time for TK to consider GIG perhaps with a tag to SCL.
On a side note, I returned today from DXB via IST. Interestingly my last leg, TK2150 to ESB had to wait at the beginning of run way for some 15 minutes due to birds! I do not know if this is seasonal, or bird activities at IST is increasing due to nearby Istanbul Aquarium.
gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1098 posts, RR: 2 Reply 152, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1289 times:
Would't this limit the transfer pax capabilities of AF? Does it mean TK has so much market share that many are not choosing AF as a one stop option to further points?
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 153, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1270 times:
Quoting gokmengs (Reply 152): Would't this limit the transfer pax capabilities of AF? Does it mean TK has so much market share that many are not choosing AF as a one stop option to further points?
I wouldn't call it a loss for Turkish pax, as CDG is notoriously bad for transiting - bad inter-terminal transport, few F&B options, rude staff, strikes, etc... Not that MUC / FRA have kinder staff, but at least they are efficient. But I also wonder the percentage of transfer pax on IST-CDG, IST-FRA, IST-MUC, IST-LHR, IST-AMS on AF, LH, BA, KL...
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 154, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1262 times:
Personally I think AF is trying to capture more of the local traffic flow.
ORY is more central to Paris and more convenient for many. Also does not hurt that much of the Turkish diaspora live in the sections of town closer to ORY as well. TK would have happily itself stayed at ORY, if not for the Star push to collocate facilities at CDG.
While yes AF and Skyteam lose access to longhaul connection flow, I guess they must think this move will be a net positive. They are scheduling a bigger A321 on the market after all.
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TK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 46 posts, RR: 0 Reply 155, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1231 times:
@LAXintl 154
As far as I know, ORY is AF 's hub for Africa. In this regard, I would not be surprised if AF also targets Francophone Africa connecting passengers via ORY and steal some traffic of rapidly growing TK in the region.
As far as I know, ORY is AF 's hub for Africa. In this regard, I would not be surprised if AF also targets Francophone Africa connecting passengers via ORY and steal some traffic of rapidly growing TK in the region.
No, all AF flights to Africa leave from CDG. ORY has only got some European and French Overseas destinations.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 158, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1092 times:
Kotil says Australia service "most likely in 2014". He mentions both nonstop option using 77W or 777LR, but at same time says "planning to connect through either Bangkok or Jakarta."
He also says, TK will switch 8 A330 and 7 A340 aircraft into a higher density configuration for shorter haul operations.
Says the aircraft will feature the same new seats as on the A321 fleet with 31-inch pith and be reconfigured by 2014.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 159, posted (1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1031 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 158): Kotil says Australia service "most likely in 2014". He mentions both nonstop option using 77W or 777LR, but at same time says "planning to connect through either Bangkok or Jakarta."
I wouldn't be surprised if TK were in talks with AI for some of those B77Ls the latter has on offer. At a block time of 17h for IST SYD and 18h for IST SYD, the schedule could look like this:
IST SYD 1700 1800+1
SYD IST 2000 0600+1
The 5pm departure would offer good connectivity from many mid and shorthaul points and the flight would depart at the same time as the NRT flight. A 6am return would also offer optimal connectivity.
There is no way TK could make a nonstop SYD flight leave in the 1 am longhaul departure bank as that would put the aircraft in SYD way too early in the morning and during the curfew. The alternative could of course be to route the SYD flight through one of the South East Asian network points.
The above schedule could theoretically be flown with just 2 aircraft, but I would suppose that if TK were to get some B77Ls, the airline would go for a fleet of 3 or 4 at least and put a shorter North America rotation in between the SYD roundtrips.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22057 posts, RR: 51 Reply 160, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 987 times:
Be interesting if the Air India 77L's are in play again.
Last time TK spoke with them, the lease pricing AI wanted was above market rates. AI basically was adamant and was looking for rates that would be high enough cover AI's purchase cost, not what the open market thought the 77L lease was worth.
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HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 161, posted (1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 970 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 160): Be interesting if the Air India 77L's are in play again
I believe that to be the only way for TK to operate IST SYD nonstop. At 1,000 miles longer than EK's DXB LAX, I do not believe IST SYD is feasible with B77W. Unless TK wants to venture into A345 territory of course. Such frames should not be too hard to get by.
The alternative, a route via one of TK's South East Asian destinations would not be so obvious to schedule if TK want to preserve optimal inbound and outbound connectivity for such a flight.
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fares I've been seeing on facebook I'm guessing not very well. Then again they went from 4>6/wk this week in OAG.
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