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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13727 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LII

"Tribute to Air Florida in Central America"

Welcome to the 52th consecutive edition in this series !
Perhaps few people on this board remembered Air Florida touching our regional airports during the early 80s.
I found references about Air Florida flying from Miami to Belize City, Guatemala City, San Salvador, Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula and San Jose. Equipments: 727, 737 and DC-10, sometimes.





Edited on February 28th, 2013.


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13682 times:

According to a story in today's La Nación, IB has named "Costa Rica" the second (EC–LUK) of its five A333s entering service this year.. earlier this month her predecessor (EC–LUB) was named "Tikal" after the magnificent archaeological site in northern Guatemala.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Perhaps few people on this board remember Air Florida touching our regional airports

I sure do.. also Eastern and the original PanAm.     



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13581 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
"Tribute to Air Florida in Central America"

Late 80's wasn't really an attractive time for a U.S. airlines to open routes to PTY (and MGA). Pretty sure that was why Air Florida never made to PTY.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13556 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 1):
I sure do.. also Eastern and the original PanAm.     

I do too....flew them a few times....including one time BZE-MIA-LGW



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13395 times:

Recovered from the 51th edition: the possible service of LH in Panama makes sense in the mid-term considering the vast network offered by CM and Star Alliance at Tocumen International Airport.
CM currently code-shares with IB [OneWorld] and KL [SkyTeam], in order to feed their inter-contentinental flights. Things may dramatically change in the forthcoming year trying to open a new niche for the German airline.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
Late 80's wasn't really an attractive time for a U.S. airlines to open routes to PTY (and MGA).


According to some sources on the web, Air Florida operated in Central America from 1981 till 1984.
I don't think any US airline flew to Nicaragua in such filter period.
AeroNica didn't fly to Miami as LaNica did it prior to 1979.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

From the OAG thread....

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

DL moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good? or did they find a free aircraft sooner?



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13131 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
DL moved up the start date?


I did a quick research at amadeus.net and DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly is due to start on July 01st.
Thus, DL has moved forward their intended plans in such route. The first flight was previously dated on December 19th.

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13123 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 6):
I did a quick research at amadeus.net and DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly is due to start on July 01st.
Thus, DL has moved forward their intended plans in such route. The first flight was previously dated on December 19th.

DL is going to be aggressive this time round.....with better sales teams in place, we are going to see a big push in C America from DL. They want to try to nail down some market before WN enters.

We already see them moving up LAX SJO start date, adding more service to GUA.

within the next 18 months I predict we will see DL from LAX to PTY/BZE/SAL/SAP and additional frequencies on most of the major routes from ATL...even RTB might see some new ATL frequencies. The only wild card is TGU...it has struggled badly, but they might stick it out there in order to keep a full complement of flights to the region.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13058 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
within the next 18 months I predict we will see DL from LAX to PTY/BZE/SAL/SAP and additional frequencies on most of the major routes from ATL.

DL LAX-PTY when CM is flying PTY-LAX thrice daily?
Extra ATL-PTY frequencies may be possible and profitable, but DL LAX-PTY is a disaster about to happen.
If DL wants to be creative, DL should try SLC-PTY instead of LAX-PTY. SLC being a DL hub may consolidate enough passengers from the western U.S. to support a 3-4 per week service to PTY.
If SLC too far west, MSP may be interesting as an alternate for DL Western U.S.-Panama.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13047 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
DL LAX-PTY when CM is flying PTY-LAX thrice daily?

So? That means the market may now be big enough to support a non Star carrier.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
SLC being a DL hub may consolidate enough passengers from the western U.S. to support a 3-4 per week service to PTY.

LAX is almost a hub now, have you seen all the additions recently. And LAX has much more O&D to PTY than SLC. If LAX can't work, there is no way in hell SLC will work.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
MSP may be interesting as an alternate for DL Western U.S.-Panama.

Not going to happen. It is too far north and PTY is much less leisure than say SJO.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13032 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 9):
So? That means the market may now be big enough to support a non Star carrier.

Good luck to DL in the LAX-PTY route.
There are no LAX-PTY arrivals early morning and no PTY-LAX red-eyes departures.. So the same DL aircraft flying ATL-PTY could take-off to LAX a couple of hours later; depart early evening LAX-PTY and continue to ATL early next morning.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13005 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 10):
There are no LAX-PTY arrivals early morning and no PTY-LAX red-eyes departures.. So the same DL aircraft flying ATL-PTY could take-off to LAX a couple of hours later; depart early evening LAX-PTY and continue to ATL early next morning.

Ahhh ..now you are beginning to think like an airline person. Its about asset allocation and utilisation.

Instead of the aircraft RONing at PTY....it gets a fresh crew and turns to LAX...essentially passing another DL aircraft (LAX-PTY) in the air. That south bound aircraft is on the ground in PTY in time for the morning ATL flight.

As long as they can break even on the route itself it is an overall win for the company.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12879 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
DL is going to be aggressive this time round.....with better sales teams in place, we are going to see a big push in C America from DL.


I'm still a little bit skeptical concerning to a huge expansion of Delta Air Lines in Central America.
The Atlanta - Central America sector has suffered few changes during the last five years, in terms of weekly frequencies as well as new equipment. On the other hand, their competitors have been more aggressive in our region: UA [IAH - Central America] and AA [MIA - Central America].
I don't want to talk again about the catastrophic [JFK - Latin America] experiment in 2008, where DL JFK-BOG is the sole survivor. Needless to say that all their Central American routes were rapidly retired.
We'll follow carefully the progress on DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly from July 01st. Everything seems to be all right now !

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12752 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
Its about asset allocation and utilisation

Speaking of asset optimization, Air Panamá (7P) has found a niche doing vip charters on the side.. here is HP–1764PST upon arrival last week in CCS.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12678 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 13):
Speaking of asset optimization, Air Panamá (7P) has found a niche doing vip charters on the side.. here is HP–1764PST upon arrival last week in CCS.

Last year I saw it on CUR.
7P also flew the Panamanian national football team to Dominica for a match there.
Don't really know what those 7P people have on their minds.. The airline could be more creative with its use of its fleet, 7P still have some room to grow.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12642 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 13):
Speaking of asset optimization, Air Panamá (7P) has found a niche doing vip charters on the side.. here is HP–1764PST upon arrival last week in CCS.

Don't they have sort of relationship with CM now too?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12628 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
Don't they have sort of relationship with CM now too?

Yes flying domestic passengers between PTY and BOC.
Not sure if 7P would operate flights on behalf of CM when CM hasn't gotten equipment available due to maintenance or other reasons.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
We'll follow carefully the progress on DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly from July 01st. Everything seems to be all right now !

Lots of us will and we might have more than just LAX SJO to follow. I would be really surprised if DL did not put in SAL-LAX for a Dec start.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
The Atlanta - Central America sector has suffered few changes during the last five years, in terms of weekly frequencies as well as new equipment.

Well they have moved around aircraft in the region 75s, 73s, 319s Md88s. All the CR9 seem to be gone permanently. GUA has seen frequency upgrades as recently as the last OAG update. BZE keeps growing and growing for them. RTB seems to be growing slowly as well. LIR is supposedly the stellar performer in the region for them. So it is not stagnant. The only weak place seems to be TGU, but then again UA is hardly minting it there as well.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12532 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
I would be really surprised if DL did not put in SAL-LAX for a Dec start.


Agreed, the market is indeed there. The SAL-LAX sector is operated by TA up to 21x weekly sometimes; it is 18x weekly for the time being. AA LAX-SAL and the former CO also flew that segment before.
I'm not worried about the predominance of TA in such route. Let's take a look about the commented situation on TA GUA-MEX which is no longer in service.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Well they have moved around aircraft in the region 75s, 73s, 319s Md88s. All the CR9 seem to be gone permanently. GUA has seen frequency upgrades as recently as the last OAG update. BZE keeps growing and growing for them. RTB seems to be growing slowly as well. LIR is supposedly the stellar performer in the region for them. So it is not stagnant. The only weak place seems to be TGU, but then again UA is hardly minting it there as well.


If we make an analysis about the progress of DL in Central America in the past ten years, it cannot be fairly compared with UA:

United Airlines in Central America. 2013

UA EWR-BZE: 2x weekly
UA IAH-BZE: 16x weekly
UA EWR-GUA: 1x weekly
UA IAH-GUA: 19x weekly
UA IAH-RTB: 8x weekly
UA EWR-SAP: 1x weekly
UA IAH-SAP: 9x weekly
UA IAH-TGU: 7x weekly
UA EWR-SAL: 1x weekly
UA IAH-SAL: 22x weekly
UA IAH-MGA: 14x weekly
UA ORD-LIR: 3x weekly
UA EWR-LIR: 7x weekly
UA IAH-LIR: 17x weekly
UA EWR-SJO: 14x weekly
UA IAH-SJO: 28x weekly
UA EWR-PTY: 9x weekly
UA IAH-PTY: 14x weekly

My point is clearly identified by itself.


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12513 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
LIR is supposedly the stellar performer in the region for them

I'm happy for Delta.. Liberia remained largely stagnant for over a quarter century until it took off with their arrival in 2002.. gotta thank Alan Kelso (Four Seasons) and Hoover Gordon–Patillo (Hacienda Pinilla) for persuading Leo Mullin (former DL CEO) with the help of US$3M in revenue guarantees.. although CO and AA soon followed, it was DL along with the Four Seasons (which gave Guanacaste the credibility to attract other luxury developers) that drove the construction boom which soon followed.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12507 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
United Airlines in Central America. 2013

UA EWR-BZE: 2x weekly
UA IAH-BZE: 16x weekly
UA EWR-GUA: 1x weekly
UA IAH-GUA: 19x weekly
UA IAH-RTB: 8x weekly
UA EWR-SAP: 1x weekly
UA IAH-SAP: 9x weekly
UA IAH-TGU: 7x weekly
UA EWR-SAL: 1x weekly
UA IAH-SAL: 22x weekly
UA IAH-MGA: 14x weekly
UA ORD-LIR: 3x weekly
UA EWR-LIR: 7x weekly
UA IAH-LIR: 17x weekly
UA EWR-SJO: 14x weekly
UA IAH-SJO: 28x weekly
UA EWR-PTY: 9x weekly
UA IAH-PTY: 14x weekly

I missed UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly which is available since December 2012.
Four stations out of the USA towards Central America completing 199 weekly frequencies !

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 12462 times:

As per OAG thread .....DL ATL-BZE NOV 1.0>1.2..the also upgraded GUA. DL is finally up to more than 1Xdaily on ATL-BZE.


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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12440 times:

Also

TA LAX-SAL APR 1.6>3 MAY 1.6>3 JUN 1.5>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 1.6>3 OCT 1.6>3 NOV 1.6>3

IMHO they are trying to tell AS and DL to not even consider this market.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12425 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
IMHO they are trying to tell AS and DL to not even consider this market.

IMHO, LAX-GUA/SAL traffic could well support another airline.
If DL already has a presence @ GUA and SAL and it's adding more operations @ LAX, that's the most likely candidate for those routes from U.S: side.
If AS or NK wants into the California - GUA/SAL market.. maybe it's time for them to study ONT (or SNA) -GUA/SAL and OAK (or SJC )-SAL before WN makes a move into those markets.
SAL may even be able to support some frequency of SAN-SAL, SMF-SAL and LAS-SAL.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12419 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
the also upgraded GUA.

DL's GUA upgrade is seasonal, then it's back to the terrible schedule we have.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12431 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 23):
OAK (or SJC )-SAL


TA served the SAL-OAK sector in 2007 and it didn't last too much.
If I remember correctly, the service called SAL-SFO was suspended in favor to SAL-OAK.

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12372 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 25):
TA served the SAL-OAK sector in 2007 and it didn't last too much

The route was 3x weekly (sooo TACA) from the start until it was quietly dropped.. coincidentally there was a Salvadoran national sitting on the Oakland Board of Port Commissioners at the time.



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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12297 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 4):
Things may dramatically change in the forthcoming year trying to open a new niche for the German airline.

What German airline do you mean? Lufthansa, Condor ?


User currently offlinesfjeff From El Salvador, joined Dec 2009, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12199 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 25):
If I remember correctly, the service called SAL-SFO was suspended in favor to SAL-OAK.

This is not correct. TACA never suspended SFO in favor of OAK. IRC, there was a reduction at SFO from 10 or so flights a week to 7 during the period the OAK service operated.



Jeff in San Salvador
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12157 times:

Quoting troest (Reply 27):
What German airline do you mean? Lufthansa, Condor ?


We were speaking in the last Cent Am thread about the possibility of any LH FRA-PTY.
Having IB from OneWorld and KL from SkyTeam, the possibility of any Star Alliance carrier from Europe makes sense at PTY, being that airport widely dominated by CM.




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Quoting sfjeff (Reply 28):
TACA never suspended SFO in favor of OAK


Thanks for the clarification. I didn't remember that.

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12073 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 29):
Thanks for the clarification. I didn't remember that.

TA has served SFO for many many years. I once flew it on their 733 where we stopped in MZT for fuel both ways. I Was always surprised that they managed to keep the fact they that a fuels stop was required so quiet.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12018 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 30):
TA has served SFO for many many years. I once flew it on their 733 where we stopped in MZT for fuel both ways.


If I recall correctly, TA SAL-SFO was served even during the 80s when the former TA had the 762 equipment. Hence, some stations such as IAD, LAX, SFO and JFK were flown as non-stop services with 762. I don't remember how were them routed; perhaps TA SAL-IAD-JFK or so.
Disclaimer: this information was based on my older thoughts without reliable source to prove them.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 30):
I Was always surprised that they managed to keep the fact they that a fuels stop was required so quiet.


These routes originated in Central America were flown in the past with 733:
RG PTY-MAO with 733: 1365nm
UC SJO-ARI with 733: 1882nm.

San Francisco lies 2294nm from San Salvador following purely a straight line.
When the "73G Next generation" equipment came into force, CM started some routes that weren't served in the past: PTY-GRU, PTY-SCL, PTY-EZE and so on.



Regards.



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User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11960 times:

If I remember correctly Aviateca served GUA-ORD with 733

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 31):

These routes originated in Central America were flown in the past with 733:

Juanchito



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User currently offlineB747_A340 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11967 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 32):
If I remember correctly Aviateca served GUA-ORD with 733

Those flights had a tech stop in MSY  



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User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 11892 times:

Thanks for the info

Quoting B747_A340 (Reply 33):
Those flights had a tech stop in MSY

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11881 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 31):
If I recall correctly, TA SAL-SFO was served even during the 80s when the former TA had the 762 equipment. Hence, some stations such as IAD, LAX, SFO and JFK were flown as non-stop services with 762. I don't remember how were them routed; perhaps TA SAL-IAD-JFK or so.

I took the SFO flight many times.....an never ever had a 762. Was always a 733 packed to the gills with a tech stop in MZT. I once asked a senior official in TA "why MZT". He told me "because it was easier to spend the pesos they made in MEX in mexico than try to convert it to US $ to repatriate" ...remember those were the days that the peso value was swinging wildly.



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1898 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

Which airline of the AviancaTaca Group will get the first ATR72-600?

Is it Avianca Colombia (Fokker 50 replacement), La Costeña, Islena Airlines or Aviateca Guatemala (all ATR42-300 replacement)?


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11790 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 36):
Which airline of the AviancaTaca Group will get the first ATR72-600?

Panama Aeroperlas?
  



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11754 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 35):
I took the SFO flight many times.....an never ever had a 762

It's a good point. The 762 seems too much for SAL-SFO as non-stop and 25 years backward.



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1898 posts, RR: 6
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11702 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 37):
Quoting viasa (Reply 36):
Which airline of the AviancaTaca Group will get the first ATR72-600?

Panama Aeroperlas?

Afaik they had suspendet its operation about a year ago: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/news/8518 So I don't think that they get ATR72-600s...


User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11668 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 39):
Afaik they had suspendet its operation about a year ago: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/news/8518 So I don't think that they get ATR72-600s...

I think it was sarcasm.

If i remember correctly the first ATR72-600 will be going to Central America so it basically going to Guatemala or Honduras.

Juanchito



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11625 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 40):
If i remember correctly the first ATR72-600 will be going to Central America so it basically going to Guatemala or Honduras.

So the most probable routes would be GUA-FRS or SAP-RTB?



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User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11608 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 41):
So the most probable routes would be GUA-FRS or SAP-RTB?

This flights como to mind.

GUA-FRS
GUA-TGU
GUA-SAP

SAP-RTB
SAP-SJO

TGU-SJO
TGU-SAL

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11486 times:

CM has inaugurated its newest Copa Club (membership airport lounge program jointly operated with UA) in SJO.. six thousand square feet.. seating for over 160 passengers.. located in the main concourse next to the airport’s food court.. Costa Rica becomes the fourth country with a vip lounge for the Panamanian airline’s passengers (the other three being Panamá, Guatemala, and the Dominican Republic).

Costa Rican government officials and local business executives attended the opening ceremony, along with airline boss Pedro Heilbron..

“Las operaciones de Copa Airlines se han incrementado consistentemente en Costa Rica, convirtiéndonos en la aerolínea preferida para sus conexiones con Latinoamérica (...) Esta sala VIP consolida nuestra presencia en Costa Rica y nos permite contribuir, si cabe aún más, con el desarrollo económico y turístico del país”. — (Copa Airlines operations have increased consistently in Costa Rica, and we are now the preferred airline for connections throughout Latin America (...) This VIP lounge enhances Copa’s presence in Costa Rica and contributes to the country’s economic and tourism development).

The new Copa Club is designated exclusively for passengers with club membership, those traveling in Clase Ejecutiva or first class on a Star Alliance member airline, or hold Star Alliance Gold status.

—Source: Copa Airlines San José CTO



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11471 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 43):
CM has inaugurated its newest Copa Club

I predict CM Clubs in MGA and HAV soon.
If they could find some room @ MIA for it, that'll be another good airport to open one.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11484 times:

So who's turf is SJO now, señor Kriete?

Cuánto diera viejo amor, tenerte de nuevo en mí aunque sea por un instante, sé muy bien que te perdí y que nunca volverás, pero no puedo olvidarte..

 



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11401 times:

AV got rid of its TA surname from Revista Summa in Spanish.
During Avianca Taca Holding S.A. (Inc,) stock holders meeting in Panama (of all places) the board of the holding of the airline group decided to drop the Taca to Avianca-Taca and thus have all of its 150 aircraft on fleet to have Avianca livery and bear its name.
The news piece from Revista Summa also mentions Mr Efranovich efforts to get TP in his airline group.

I still can't believe that having so many other places to meet, AV-TA choose PTY for their stock holders assembly. Perhaps - like many other companies - AV has noticed how convenient is PTY Hub of the Américas.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11360 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 46):
I still can't believe that having so many other places to meet, AV-TA choose PTY for their stock holders assembly. Perhaps - like many other companies - AV has noticed how convenient is PTY Hub of the Américas.

LOL but isn't the holding domiciled in Panama (neutral ground) since its inception?



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11363 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 46):
I still can't believe that having so many other places to meet, AV-TA choose PTY for their stock holders assembly. Perhaps - like many other companies - AV has noticed how convenient is PTY Hub of the Américas.

No, it's because the holding company has it's domicile in Panama due to tax reasons. Legally, at least in Colombia, you can't celebrate the board meetings or the stockholder assembly in a place different than the company's domicile. That's why Avianca's board of directors always met in Barranquilla before the merger with TA.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 46):
During Avianca Taca Holding S.A. (Inc,) stock holders meeting in Panama (of all places) the board of the holding of the airline group decided to drop the Taca to Avianca-Taca and thus have all of its 150 aircraft on fleet to have Avianca livery and bear its name.

Change is expected on the week of may 20th.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11340 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 48):
That's why Avianca's board of directors always met in Barranquilla before the merger with TA.

That'd have been a source of lots of Costeño pride that after so many years of AV incorporation and being BOG its major base/hub the meetings were still held in BAQ.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11280 times:

Does anyone hav any clue when we will see the next round of CMs route announcement...a couple were due in March....but March is about to end and with Santa Semana upon us I doubt we will see anything this week.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11210 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 50):
Does anyone hav any clue when we will see the next round of CMs route announcement

i've no clue when CM would make the new destination announcements, but since I could guess CM wants to cash on the FIFA world cup Brazil 2014, SSA could be among those new destinations. CWB could be another possibility but it does have runway issues for a CWB-PTY non-stop.
Lets hope CM does return to DAV now that the airport has a new terminal.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11166 times:

according to Panama Prensa British Airways will land in PTY by the end of 2013.

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/economia/negocios-la-hora-del-te/165392

I think this is hard to believe..



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User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11148 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 52):
I think this is hard to believe..

Could be. Especially is the Panamanian government offers money incentives, such as it does to other European airlines.
BA is receiving new long haul airplanes this year (A380s and 787s), so there will be some capacity for growth. I guess that if it happens it would be an LGW flight with a 777.
Let's wait and see...


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11129 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 53):
BA is receiving new long haul airplanes this year (A380s and 787s), so there will be some capacity for growth. I guess that if it happens it would be an LGW flight with a 777.

A BA LGW-PTY is what The Panama Tourist Authority have been trying to get from BA for quite some time.
They knew the chances of getting something out of LGW were far greater than of a LHR flight.
I'd not doubt for a moment that the future BA LGW-PTY flight will bear a CM code-share as CM does on IB MAD-PTY.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11113 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 53):
Could be. Especially is the Panamanian government offers money incentives, such as it does to other European airlines.

100% agree  

I´ll love to see BA and other airlines ( LH) coming to PTY in the near future !!! that will be awason !!! but BA within this year since I bit stretch though doable !! let's hope for the best !   



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11096 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 51):
CWB could be another possibility but it does have runway issues for a CWB-PTY non-stop.


Perhaps any triangular route is a valid choice for Copa Airlines in the future.
For illustrative purposes, AA MIA-CWB-POA-MIA will begin on December 19th.




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Quoting copa330200 (Reply 52):
according to Panama Prensa British Airways will land in PTY by the end of 2013


I expect IB MAD-PTY 5x weekly becoming daily prior to any BA LON-PTY.




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Quoting summa767 (Reply 53):
Especially is the Panamanian government offers money incentives, such as it does to other European airlines.


We're still waiting for LH in Panama which is valid for the objectives followed by Star Alliance.




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Quoting summa767 (Reply 53):
BA is receiving new long haul airplanes this year (A380s and 787s), so there will be some capacity for growth.


As far as I know, the new north pier at PTY is capable to handle the 380. I'm not implying that this is the suitable plane for any BA LON-PTY in the future.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 54):
I'd not doubt for a moment that the future BA LGW-PTY flight will bear a CM code-share as CM does on IB MAD-PTY.


CM sustains code-share agreements with IB MAD-PTY and KL AMS-PTY.
In other words, if LH would land at PTY some day, it won't be easy the establishment of a new code-share cooperation with other European airline.

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11081 times:

Saw KX bird VP-CKY sitting on the apron at SJO yesterday 3/23 at 1630Z by the main pax terminal nowhere near the COOPESA hangar. Wonder what she was up to.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11081 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 56):
Perhaps any triangular route is a valid choice for Copa Airlines in the future.
For illustrative purposes, AA MIA-CWB-POA-MIA will begin on December 19th.

For CM both POA and CWB are markets which could sustain non-stop on their own.
A CM PTY-CWB-POA-PTY route would only make less attractive CM in both CWB and POA. AA could well fly that MIA-CWB-POA-MIA because it's a MIA service and for MIA alone Brazilians would endure such a route.
If CM is to launch a triangular in Brazil it'd most likely be adding FOR stop to the west-bound REC-PTY. only if REC loads continue to not meet CM expectations.
And in the mean-while, those former Malev B737-600 (able to take-off from CWB runway non-stop to PTY) haven found a home yet.

Quote:
I expect IB MAD-PTY 5x weekly becoming daily prior to any BA LON-PTY.

PTY (I'd rather say CM) went to great lengths to keep IB MAD-PTY flying when IB suspended a huge number of flights due to strike.
CM wants LON feed to its PTY hub and right-now both CM and BA realise that IB MAD-PTY can't provide that.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11084 times:

Speaking about Copa Airlines, the 738 is the exclusive aircraft in their high density routes.
No more 73Gs on the following segments lately: CM PTY-GRU, CM PTY-GIG, CM PTY-MEX, CM PTY-EZE, CM PTY-SCL, CM PTY-CUN, CM PTY-LAX, CM PTY-JFK, CM PTY-MIA, CM PTY-COR, CM PTY-CCS, CM PTY-CNF and CM PTY-BSB, among others.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 58):
A CM PTY-CWB-POA-PTY route would only make less attractive CM in both CWB and POA. AA could well fly that MIA-CWB-POA-MIA because it's a MIA service and for MIA alone Brazilians would endure such a route.


It's rather a technical issue for any plane fully packed on the way back either to Miami or Panama City out of the short runway at CWB.
CM doesn't tend to operate tag-on segments, besides their inner Central American routes and the airline had asked for SSA instead as a possible candidate for their expansión plans.
In my view, Curitiba is a viable station for CM and TA/AV in the future. However, I have my technical doubts about any 73G completely loaded operating the north-bound sector into CWB-PTY as non-stop.

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10816 times:

Tropic Air commenced service to Cancun on Monday from BZE. This flight markes the resumption of air links between the two countries.


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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...ama-negocia-acuerdos-aereos/166737

based on the article,
1- PTY is expecting to land 2 new airline by the end of the current year.
2- CM is looking for options to start Montreal



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10729 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 61):
based on the article,
1- PTY is expecting to land 2 new airline by the end of the current year.
2- CM is looking for options to start Montreal

Add to those the bilateral agreements with Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan and Qatar. Not sure what'd they be good for right-now but they'd have some value in the near future.
But the bad news, as it was expected: Argentina still refuses to talk about increased frequencies to that country, thus CM adding MDZ, ROS, SLA to its destinations network are to be put on hold indefinitely.
Could CM be able to add a couple of frequencies if its aircraft used for Argentina-PTY flights was an Argentine registered?

Interesting note is that Panamanian Aviation authorities keep saying we've open skies with Perú, yet CM had to open IQT in order to get an extra daily frequency to LIM.
When Perú says open skies it means "free to fly but not to LIM"? Still waiting for PTY.-AQP here.

If Panama has open skies with U.S.A., Guatemala, Nicaragua and Peru, would it mean that CM is in theory allowed to fly between MGA/GUA and points in the U.S.A.? How about between Peru and U.S.A.?
Lets see how the new AV performs in MGA/GUA-U.S.A. non-stop routes to check if Nicaragua and Guatemala knock on CM door asking for MGA/GUA-U.S.A. flights.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 63, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10622 times:

As of April 15th, Avianca is implementing its AV code in selected flights operated by TA/LR nowadays. The current operations will keep the schedule, frequencies and equipment. The first stage is considering the following flights:

LR 693 SJO-PTY-MDE
LR 692 MDE-PTY-SJO
TA 146 LIM-MDE
TA 157 MDE-LIM
TA 369 SAL-MDE
TA 370 MDE-SAL
TA 422 SAL-MCO
TA 423 MCO-SAL




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Quoting copa330200 (Reply 61):
CM is looking for options to start Montreal


I don't visualize any CM PTY-YUL prior to CM PTY-YYZ 4x weekly becoming on a daily basis.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 62):
CM is in theory allowed to fly between MGA/GUA and points in the U.S.A.?


I remind the possibility of GUA as a possible hub for Copa Airlines, in order to exploit better the new terminal.
This topic was discussed five years ago. Nothing happened.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 62):
How about between Peru and U.S.A.?


Both Lan Peru and Avianca wouldn't allow any chance on CM [Peru-USA] as non-stop flights.

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 63):
I don't visualize any CM PTY-YUL prior to CM PTY-YYZ 4x weekly becoming on a daily basis.

It's all up to what else the Canadians are willing to allow CM.
For CM, Canada-Latin America demand is so critical that the airline just can't be crying-out for not been able to fly daily to YYZ; if what Canada gives it is access to YUL, CM will take it and start PTY-YUL.

Quote:
Both Lan Peru and Avianca wouldn't allow any chance on CM [Peru-USA] as non-stop flights.

So much for "real" open-skies.

January 16% traffic increase @ PTY compared to January 2012 From www.prensa.com in Spanish
PTY got a 16% passenger increase figure for this past January when compared to last years.
Transit passengers went up 23% compared to same period last year.
It's believed PTY will handle 7.5million passengers this year.
According to La Prensa, when the new South Terminal will be completed, PTY may have capacity to handle 15million passengers per year.
That new terminal and airport expansion have a tremendous price tag of USD680million.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 65, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10422 times:

From the above press release in Spanish:

"Una vez esté habilitada la nueva terminal sur, el aeropuerto tendrá la capacidad para manejar 15 millones de pasajeros. La primera etapa de la nueva ampliación deberá estar operativa a mediados de 2014."



PTY is already handling some flights from the remote platform which is located in the area where the south pier will be built.
Based on the current diagram of the airport, the "remote area B" is capable to hold six positions and numbered from 34 till 39.

Regards.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10414 times:
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I wonder when we will here about expansion at GUA. The airport had a 6% increase in passengers for 2012. GUA handled almost the same as SAL if not more without a hub.


Anyways, that is great news for PTY! Both Panama and CM have done an excellent job at building PTY, no doubt they will one day be as big as a US airport!



avi8
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10388 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 66):
Anyways, that is great news for PTY! Both Panama and CM have done an excellent job at building PTY, no doubt they will one day be as big as a US airport!

Right now I don't know about that, I've not seen where the future 3rd and 4th runways would go and the area around the "newest" runway is going to be building-up fast.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

I foresee PTY as one of the most successful Latin American airports by 2025.
In terms of the Central American landscape, it has by far surpassed the level of service of their regional competitors: GUA, SAL and SJO. The point is clearly released just counting their amount of jet-bridges, destinations and frequencies.
The challenge for the Panamanian authorities consists also to attract new inter-continental airlines, in order to exploit better the international agreements related to civil aviation.

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

I am hearing rumblings once again that both AV and CM are being solicited heavily by the Skyteam partners to leave Star. Lots of promises about new long haul service to PTY being used as sweetners.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 69):
Lots of promises about new long haul service to PTY being used as sweetners.

Star Alliance Far East airlines haven't been that much receptive to CM (and Panama in general) wish for a PTY-Asia direct flight.
So Sky trying to woo CM back to Sky with KE ICN-PTY (stop en-route somewhere not requiring U.S./Canada visas) may be the sweetener?
But then, wouldn't be a quite erratic behaviour from CM's part to have been an Sky associate member, left Sky, joined Star and then go back to Sky?
We know CM marriage was with Sky-team CO not with Star-Alliance UA and I could bet the new UA relation with CM isn't quite the same as former CO was, specially now when both CM and the new AV are in Star.
Guess if CM leaves Star-Alliance for Sky-team, CM would start PTY-IAH and PTY-SFO.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 71, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9958 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 69):
both AV and CM are being solicited heavily by the Skyteam partners to leave Star

It won't be easy for SkyTeam grouping as AV-TA are promoting its commercial relation with Star Alliance as follows:


"Avianca and Taca are proud of being a member of the world’s leading alliance of airlines, the Star Alliance. It has the highest number of member airlines, daily flights, destinations and countries where they fly."




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 70):
wouldn't be a quite erratic behaviour from CM's part to have been an Sky associate member, left Sky, joined Star and then go back to Sky?

Agreed.
CM has always acted as a follower of the former CO.
Once the merger UA-CO took place and regarding its new status into Star Alliance as well, CM rapidly suspended its membership as "SkyTeam associated airline."
Authorities of the Panamanian airline preferred to remain as a "non-aligned" airline whilst they pursued an active membership within Star Alliance.
By the way, both CM and [AV-TA] entered into Star Alliance on June 21st 2012.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 72, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9711 times:

TA SAL-MCO 4x weekly with E90 will also experience the AV code from April 22nd as follows:

AV 422 SAL-MCO
AV 423 MCO-SAL

This will be the first flight entirely operated by TA changing to the AV designator.


Regards



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9693 times:
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I wonder if TA/AV will re-start GUA-MCO again for the summer season. Any rumors on prospective routes?


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 72):
TA SAL-MCO 4x weekly with E90

Pretty sure lots of seats on those AV SAL-MCO are sold as Orlando holiday programmes from BOG or LIM and beyond.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9573 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 74):
Pretty sure lots of seats on those AV SAL-MCO are sold as Orlando holiday programmes from BOG or LIM and beyond.

Maybe, but from those markets would be better on CM. there is sizeable SJO/GUA/SAL family traffic to MCO during the school holiday period.....but flying it with a E-jet is just a token effort and probably reflects the intense competition for those travellers from CM, B6, AA and even DL.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 76, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 75):
Maybe, but from those markets would be better on CM
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 74):
Pretty sure lots of seats on those AV SAL-MCO are sold as Orlando holiday programmes from BOG or LIM

BOG has daily flights to MCO on both AV and B6...the only reason people would take a connecting flight through SAL or PTY would be a much lower fare than available on the non-stops, and I don't think AV or CM can compete with B6 on that.


User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 77, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9369 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 75):
there is sizeable SJO/GUA/SAL family traffic to MCO during the school holiday period.....but flying it with a E-jet is just a token effort and probably reflects the intense competition

At what point does pulling the plug altogether on certain routes —especially those where their weaknesses become more apparent— make more sense than offering such limited service?



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 78, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9317 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 77):
At what point does pulling the plug altogether on certain routes —especially those where their weaknesses become more apparent— make more sense than offering such limited service?

You know we are taking about AV/TA right? 



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 79, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 78):
You know we are taking about AV/TA right?

Thrice-weekly Airlines, you said?



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (1 year 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 9130 times:

Tropic Air will further increase its SAP-BZE to daily effective May 1. The added 2 days will see evening (RON) service vs the current late morning flights....and will allow for same day connections at BZE from the CUN flight. This will allow SAP pax to get to CUN 7 days a week and return 2 days a week without overnighting in BZE.


San Pedro Sula, Honduras (SAP)

Flt # Route Dep Service Days
2200 BZE > SAP 0800 Sun, Mon, Wed, Thur, Fri
2202 BZE > SAP 1630 Mon, Fri

2201 SAP > BZE 0930 Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri
2205 SAP > BZE 0700 Sat

So effective May 1st...PM will be serving FRS and SAP 7Xweekly and CUN 6Xweek from BZE.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 81, posted (1 year 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 80):
same day connections at BZE from the CUN flight

First time BZE plays the role of international hub?

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 80):
SAP pax to get to CUN

How much time are we talking about, including layover?



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 82, posted (1 year 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 9104 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 72):
TA SAL-MCO

AV SAL-MCO is barely served as 4x weekly with the 100-seater E90 whilst CM PTY-MCO is flown as 21x weekly and it's grabbing the biggest chunk of the Central and South American passengers heading to Orlando.
Avianca is also serving Orlando by means of AV BOG-MCO 7x weekly.
I didn't say TA/LR SAL-MCO 4x weekly because the flight unification process just began on April 22nd.  




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 80):
Tropic Air will further increase its SAP-BZE to daily

I think you mentioned the BZE-SAP segment operated with Let L-410 by any Honduran airline before.
Are these flights still available?

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 83, posted (1 year 8 months ago) and read 9045 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 82):
I think you mentioned the BZE-SAP segment operated with Let L-410 by any Honduran airline before.
Are these flights still available?

No...long gone...along with the airline.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 81):
How much time are we talking about, including layover?

2hrs.55min from SAP to CUN Heck of a lot better than driving!

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 81):

First time BZE plays the role of international hub?

The next hub of the Americas! Actually pax from FRS to the USA have been using BZE to connect for the last 2-3 years instead of going via GUA.

The CUN flight on PM now connects internationally (same day) with its FRS and SAP



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9014 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 83):
The next hub of the Americas! Actually pax from FRS to the USA have been using BZE to connect for the last 2-3 years instead of going via GUA.

Considering how high fares are on GUA-FRS (yes I'm looking at you TA) I'm not surprised.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 85, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8966 times:

Another big announcement expected from Tropic next week.....there is a teaser on their FB page

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tropic-Air-Belize/340653164591?ref=hl

Could it be
LCE?
RTB?
MID?
New Aircraft?
Partnership?



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8851 times:
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I would like to comment that this is a good year for SJO. DL is adding its daily to LAX and JetBlue is adding its daily flight to FLL. TA has been kind of silent for a while there. I hope other airports in Central America get the healthy growth SJO has been seeing lately. GUA ahas been silent for a while along with MGA, TGU, and SAP.


avi8
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 87, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 86):
I would like to comment that this is a good year for SJO. DL is adding its daily to LAX and JetBlue is adding its daily flight to FLL. TA has been kind of silent for a while there. I hope other airports in Central America get the healthy growth SJO has been seeing lately. GUA ahas been silent for a while along with MGA, TGU, and SAP.

Big Announcements for BZE coming    ...and I am not counting Tropic starting CUN and their announcement next week.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 88, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8638 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 86):
I would like to comment that this is a good year for SJO. DL is adding its daily to LAX and JetBlue is adding its daily flight to FLL.

Both UA IAD-SJO 1x weekly with 738 and UA ORD-SJO 1x weekly with 738 just began on April 13th.




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Quoting avi8 (Reply 86):
TA has been kind of silent for a while there

Correct.
Almost one year has passed since TA opened the last route out of San Jose: TA/LR SJO-MTY 3x weekly.




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Quoting avi8 (Reply 86):
GUA ahas been silent for a while

UA IAD-GUA 1x weekly with 738 started on April 13th.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 89, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8577 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 84):
Considering how high fares are on GUA-FRS (yes I'm looking at you TA) I'm not surprised.

Those tickets are usually cheaper if you buy them through a tour operator... not that I disagree with you that they're too high, mind you!

Speaking of which, TA is getting rid of some of the ATR-42... wonder if they'll use some of the ATR-72 on order to fly GUA-FRS?

Here's one pic I took of one of the ATRs on the way back (notice it's been painted white already):

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/carmenlu15/aviation/28062012278-small_zps194be8c8.jpg



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User currently offlinemabadia71 From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8571 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 89):
Speaking of which, TA is getting rid of some of the ATR-42... wonder if they'll use some of the ATR-72 on order to fly GUA-FRS?

Right now the plan is for some of the ATR-72 to go to Central America, 7 IIRC, and the rest to BOG. I believe there is a big chance that AV will convert the options they have into orders, and in that case, most if not all of the "extra" ATRs will go to Central America.



mabadia71
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8576 times:

Well if CM starts BZE, we might see TA move to a ATR on SAL-BZE because CM will take all the traffic away heading from about SJO southward.

TA will be left with Northern C. America and the LAX consolidator traffic from BZE.



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User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 92, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8559 times:

Quoting mabadia71 (Reply 90):
Right now the plan is for some of the ATR-72 to go to Central America, 7 IIRC, and the rest to BOG.

Hopefully some of them will go to the GUA-TGU route... those flights are always full!  Wow!



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 93, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

Tropic Air Announces BZE-RTB

Press Release
San Pedro, Ambergris Caye, Belize, April 29, 2013

TROPIC AIR ANNOUNCES SERVICE TO ROATAN, HONDURAS

Tropic Air announced today that it will inaugurate non-stop service to Roatan, Honduras on November 20, 2013. With the launching of this service, Tropic will be the only airline to operate non-stop scheduled flights between Belize and the Bay Islands. Initially, Tropic will fly between Belize City's Phillip Goldson International Airport (BZE) and Roatan Honduras (RTB) 3 times weekly, and tickets are now available for sale.

This new service will not only serve to make travel to Roatan easier, but will allow for the expansion of trade and tourism between the two countries and serve to further grow the historical ties between Belize and the Bay Islands.

Roatan is Tropic's second destination in Honduras and its fourth international route. In March, Tropic added Cancun service to complement its existing San Pedro Sula, Honduras and Flores, Guatemala routes. This is in addition to its 11 domestic destinations within Belize.
"Our customers have been asking for it, and we are thrilled to announce it!" said John Greif III, President of Tropic Air. “We expect the market for this service to grow rapidly and we plan to add additional service as that happens. Not only will Belizeans finally be able to get to Roatan easily, but this opens up many new opportunities for the dive tourism market, and we have taken that into consideration with our schedule.”
Tropic's schedule between Belize City International and Roatan:
DEPARTS TIME ARRIVES TIME Days
Belize City Int'l (BZE) 4:15PM Roatan (RTB) 5:15PM Wed, Fri, Sun
Roatan (RTB) 7:00AM Belize City Int'l (BZE) 8:00AM Thur, Sat, Mon
ALL TIMES LOCAL

With the addition of Roatan, Tropic Air will serve 15 destinations in Belize, Guatemala, Honduras and Mexico.

The new service bookable via the web at www.tropicair.com, via e-mail at reservations@tropicair.com, by phone at (501) 226-2012, by contacting any of our



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User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 94, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

And they are charging and average of $500.00 USD on an ATR42 on a 1 hour flight.

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 92):
Hopefully some of them will go to the GUA-TGU route... those flights are always full! Wow!

Juanchito

[Edited 2013-04-29 18:19:20]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 95, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8382 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 93):
Roatan is Tropic's second destination in Honduras and its fourth international route

This would've been unthinkable five years ago.. the cartel's collapse has brought with it an unexpected surprise.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 95):
This would've been unthinkable five years ago.. the cartel's collapse has brought with it an unexpected surprise.

And there is probably more to come....



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 97, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8353 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 91):
Well if CM starts BZE, we might see TA move to a ATR on SAL-BZE because CM will take all the traffic away heading from about SJO southward

Any CM PTY-BZE on a daily basis as non-stop sounds too much for this possible new route.
San Pedro Sula and Tegucigalpa were small markets for Copa Airlines from the beginning. At this time, they are experiencing the following services:

Tegucigalpa:
CM PTY-SJO-TGU 7x weekly
CM PTY-TGU 7x weekly

San Pedro Sula:
CM PTY-SJO-SAP 7x weekly
CM PTY-SAP 5x weekly

We have previously commented about how CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly and CM PTY-REC 4x weekly are not demonstrating progress lately. Thus, the airline must be cautious with the opening of new stations.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 93):
With the addition of Roatan, Tropic Air will serve 15 destinations in Belize, Guatemala, Honduras and Mexico.

Tropic Air is now aiming for the international expansion !   

Regards.



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8347 times:

People wanting to fly from HK to Latin America are paying anywhere from $10000 HKD (base price) to $17000 HKD to Central and South America. It's crazy. My buddy spent almost $17000 HKD. I once spent $17000 from HKG-YYZ on AC!!! Bloody AC ripping off its own Canadians and bleeding us dry. We already pay taxes out of the crack of our asses. My friend got a better deal. It's cheaper for me to fly to Latin America from HK then to Canada! Crud!


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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 99, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8337 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 97):
Any CM PTY-BZE on a daily basis as non-stop sounds too much for this possible new route.

Apples to Oranges. TGU and SAP do not have near the tourism market that BZE does. The PDEW is sizable between PTY and BZE alone. and the yields incredible. and you have many NGOs like Unicef willing to gaurantee J seats.. I haven't even gotten into cargo. Its not the business case holding CM back on this route....it is something else.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 97):
We have previously commented about how CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly and CM PTY-REC 4x weekly are not demonstrating progress lately.

see above. LIR as a tourist destination is very hard to sell to CMs core tourism demographics. On a simplistic level, Why would a Brazilian want to go see the rainforest, when they have the biggest rainforest in the world in their back yard....for example. N. Americans want to go to LIR, S. American's want to go to the white sandy beach.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 97):
Tropic Air is now aiming for the international expansion !

It already is international. 4 destinations and counting.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 97):
We have previously commented about how CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly and CM PTY-REC 4x weekly are not demonstrating progress lately. Thus, the airline must be cautious with the opening of new stations.

Rumour is: add IQT to those new CM under-performing destinations.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 101, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 100):
Rumour is: add IQT to those new CM under-performing destinations.

I have heard that REC, LIR and IQT are all underperforming...with LIR and REC running a close race for Stinker.


Here is tropic's latest updated route map (out today) from their website.





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User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 102, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

I remember correctly that in June 2013 AviancaTaca will receive the first ATR72.

Are those plane still on schedule to arrive in that date.
Who will receive them first Avianca or Taca.

Juanchito



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8076 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 101):
I have heard that REC, LIR and IQT are all underperforming...with LIR and REC running a close race for Stinker.

IMHO, winner hands down: LIR.
I don't know of an Star Alliance airline flying LIR-MIA, so if CM wants to try something daring, how about twice weekly PTY-LIR-MIA and see what happens.
What CM REC needs is some kind of cooperation with G3 on REC-FOR/SSA like CM has w/G3 on GRU-GIG.
At least, it's what is still shown on CM magazine.
Since CM is already allowed to fly to SSA, not sure how the passengers (not to mention CM crews) would take a possible PTY-REC-SSA-PTY or PTY-SSA-REC-PTY.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 104, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 99):
Apples to Oranges. TGU and SAP do not have near the tourism market that BZE does

The tourism market is centralized from the USA and it wouldn't magically come from South America and the Caribbean through PTY. Ask it to CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly.
In my view, the dimension of the whole market named CM PTY-TGU and CM PTY-SAP could be comparable to the fictitious CM PTY-BZE.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 99):
Its not the business case holding CM back on this route....it is something else.

I don't get this statement.
Please, explain.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 99):
for example. N. Americans want to go to LIR, S. American's want to go to the white sandy beach.

The average of the Deep South Americans travelers are not even thinking in both Liberia and Belize City.
They're rather considering Punta Cana, Havana, Santo Domingo, Aruba, Cancun, St. Maarten and so forth which are available through PTY.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 100):
Rumour is: add IQT to those new CM under-performing destinations.

Give it some time. Based on the amount of weekly frequencies, CM PTY-REC, CM PTY-IQT and CM PTY-LIR are even low density routes. All these routes were inaugurated last year.
I can almost remember when CM PTY-PUJ started in 2007 as the shy 2x weekly service. Today, it's 21x weekly !
Perhaps Copa Airlines is not considering the massive opening of new destination in 2013 and it's not far away the day when the airline may double their daily flights heading to Port of Spain, Valencia, Maracaibo, Chicago, Las Vegas, Cordoba, Brasilia and Belo Horizonte, among others.
On the other hand, the US destinations seems to fit perfectly within its business model analyzing how CM PTY-ORD, CM PTY-LAS and even the upcoming CM PTY-BOS started flying solidly there on a daily basis. My hypothesis is that the wealthier new candidates on CM may be focused in the United States.

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7888 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 104):
Perhaps Copa Airlines is not considering the massive opening of new destination in 2013 and it's not far away the day when the airline may double their daily flights heading to Port of Spain, Valencia, Maracaibo, Chicago, Las Vegas, Cordoba, Brasilia and Belo Horizonte, among others.

POS is almost twice daily right-now.
We won't see a frequency increase on PTY-MAR/VLN. Only chances for CM increasing frequencies to MAR/VLN would be if P5 is to fly from BOG, on the other side, CM could try to apply for twice/thrice weekly PTY-PMV/PZO and see how the Venezuelan authorities react.
Both ORD and LAS could go double-daily, LAS probably this same year may get extra flights some days.
Chances for increased frequencies to Argentina or starting ROS, MDZ or SLA, very remote. IMHO, only SLA may stand a greater chance of getting a PTY flight soon given its distance away from EZE and regional pressure for better international connectivity.
BSB, CNF, POA I'd guess could get and support an extra flight a couple of days per week in the meantime before going full double-daily.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 106, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 104):
The average of the Deep South Americans travelers are not even thinking in both Liberia and Belize City.

Doesn't need the average ...only about 100 a day need to buy a ticket.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 104):
I don't get this statement.

I wish I could explain. There a few lurkers around her that know exactly what I am talking about.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7802 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 105):
Chances for increased frequencies to Argentina or starting ROS, MDZ or SLA, very remote. IMHO, only SLA may stand a greater chance of getting a PTY flight soon given its distance away from EZE and regional pressure for better international connectivity.

The civil aviation authorities from Argentina have pursued the protectionism of its own market and I highly doubt about the opening of new stations.
Just remember what happened with TA LIM-MDZ 3x weekly in 2011. They never launched the first flight !
Venezuela is experiencing a similar behavior that could work against the commercial interests of the Panamanian airline.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 106):
only about 100 a day need to buy a ticket.

I'm still skeptical about this behavior in the short-term.
CM for years served both San Pedro Sula and Tegucigalpa via San Jose and it wasn't easy for these Honduran stations.
This is the allocate schedule nowadays:

Tegucigalpa
CM PTY-SJO-TGU: 7x weekly
CM PTY-TGU: 7x weekly

San Pedro Sula
CM PTY-SJO-SAP: 7x weekly
CM PTY-SAP: 5x weekly

In my view, Belize City has the potential to become a new station for Copa Airlines in the future. Same with BGI, PVR, SJD or PMV. BZE is not alone on this purpose.
All the mentioned stations might have a similar dimension related to the demand of passengers through PTY.

Regards.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7780 times:
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I wonder when CM will expand in other places that is not PTY. PTY can only grow so much and they can't and shouldn't put all of their eggs in one basket. I know the have Copa Colombia put right now I'm referring more to the Central American Copa. What are y'all's thoughts?


avi8
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 109, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7722 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 108):
I wonder when CM will expand in other places that is not PTY. PTY can only grow so much and they can't and shouldn't put all of their eggs in one basket. I know the have Copa Colombia put right now I'm referring more to the Central American Copa. What are y'all's thoughts?

a) buy BW and open a second hub there at POS
b) open a second hub at GUA



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User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 110, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 109):
b) open a second hub at GUA

   I am totally on board with that idea!



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7684 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 109):
a) buy BW and open a second hub there at POS

There's fleet commonality between BW and CM but other than that just need to remember how Jamaica reacted to the Trini take-over of Air Jamaica to see what would happen on Trinidad (and on Jamaica for whatever BW has left overthere) if the Panamanians are to take-over BW. And that was Caribbean to "fellow Caribbean", CM getting into BW would be Latinamerican to Caribbean as Panama most of the time isn't perceived as "Caribbean" by many West Indians.

Quote:
b) open a second hub at GUA

More than a hub, I'd guess a focus operation @ GUA and MGA, since both Guatemala and Nicaragua may allow CM non-stop 5th freedom to some of its major markets no question asked.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 112, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7664 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 111):
There's fleet commonality between BW and CM but other than that just need to remember how Jamaica reacted to the Trini take-over of Air Jamaica to see what would happen on Trinidad (and on Jamaica for whatever BW has left overthere) if the Panamanians are to take-over BW. And that was Caribbean to "fellow Caribbean", CM getting into BW would be Latinamerican to Caribbean as Panama most of the time isn't perceived as "Caribbean" by many West Indians.

I perceive the Trini's to be a bit more pragmatic on investments subjects than the Jamaicans.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 111):
since both Guatemala and Nicaragua may allow CM non-stop 5th freedom to some of its major markets no question asked.

BZE already offers 5th freedoms....hell CM should just open the hub there! BZE could be the next DXB. From dust to boom town in 20years. Guatemala would really want to invade them then!      



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 113, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 108):
Copa Colombia put right now I'm referring more to the Central American Copa. What are y'all's thoughts?

Copa Airlines has already built a focus city in San Jose:

Guatemala City: 1x CM + 1x Copa Colombia
San Pedro Sula: 1x
Tegucigalpa: 1x
Managua: 2x
Panama City: 6x CM + 1x Copa Colombia
Bogota: 1x Copa Colombia, via PTY

SJO doesn't have the official status of focus city on CM, but you can find at least one plane parked there at all times.
The airline recently inaugurated its newest Copa Club in Latin America, located in the Juan Santamaria International Airport.
The attached press releases states that the airline may move their maintenance services from SJO in the mid-term:

http://www.nacion.com/2013-05-06/Mov...lleres-de-costa-rica-a-panama.aspx




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 109):
open a second hub at GUA

  
GUA has te potential: it was recently expanded, a nice environment, the VIP lounge and so on.
However, CM doesn't seem to follow the multi-hub concept like LAN or Avianca.
For example, the international operations supplied by Copa Airlines Colombia cannot be fairly compared with the flights offered by the mainline: [CM PTY-HAV 42x weekly against CM BOG-HAV 2x weekly] or [CM PTY-CUN 35x weekly against CM BOG-CUN 1x weekly].

Regards.

[Edited 2013-05-09 19:31:59]


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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 114, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

I posted this question in another thread, but I also wanted to post it here.

I'm wondering is how are AV gonna manage the flags on the new livery; will all aircraft be painted with the Colombian flag, or will some keep the other flags?



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 115, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 114):
I'm wondering is how are AV gonna manage the flags on the new livery; will all aircraft be painted with the Colombian flag, or will some keep the other flags?

It's a good question.
The different national flags painted into the fuselage has been a practice followed by GRUPO TACA.
One more point: GRUPO TACA has promoted the "Centroamerica" logo in their engines. I've seen a stylized condor instead, speaking about the new color-scheme adopted by AV.
No more parrots -guaras- as well.

Regards.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 116, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7416 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 115):

And the thing about the flags is that not all the countries give all the freedoms to foreign carriers, so that's where my question comes from; because of this I started wondering about it.

Nationality is sometimes a big thing when it comes to aircraft because of open sky agreements that have designated carriers (i.e. Canada and (fill in the blank) or internal workings of a country that are picky with foreign carriers that are not part of a nation group or so.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 117, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 116):
the thing about the flags is that not all the countries give all the freedoms to foreign carriers

AV didn't purchase TA.
The merger AV-TA is being unified into the AV brand solely where the former Avianca is getting the 2/3 of the capital.
The traffic rights are considered part of the assets of one airline and they can be sold or transferred in the future.
Analyzing the case of the planes involved within GRUPO TACA, some of them belong to say LACSA and they clearly bear the Costa Rican flag for the meantime. I ignore further details about how will AV manage this situation later.
For example, the planes involved with LAN Argentina bear the LV-designator and they're featuring the Argentinean flag as well. I cannot find another difference analyzing the paint-scheme belonging to the Chilean division: LAN.
Same with Copa Airlines Colombia and Copa Airlines mainline.




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One more sample about the unification process on AV-TA:


Regards.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 118, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 117):

Thanks for the explanation, I get it now, the brand is changing, not the a/c reg or nationality.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 119, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7323 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 118):
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 117):

Thanks for the explanation, I get it now, the brand is changing, not the a/c reg or nationality.

I guess it's much like the TG- or HR- registered ATRs both bearing the TACA Regional titles (but having their respective flags painted).

Gonna miss 'em guacamayas, have to say...   



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 120, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Multiple Dickie birds are chirping loudly about some surprise announcements for our Central American fans in a few weeks.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

Airlines interested in MPRH Rio Hato Airport from www.prensa.com in Spanish
According to Panama Civil Aviation Authority boss, 4 airlines (all Canadian and for charters) follow the developments of MPRH Rio Hato Scarlett Martínez Airport.
Seems like there'll be charters from Canada to MPRH this coming season.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6958 times:

Are there even 4 Canadian charter companies....I know of Sunwing, Air Transat.....


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User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 123, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

According to this article Avianca-Taca will discontinue the following flights from SJO

SJO-LAX
SJO-HAV
SJO-JFK
SJO-UIO
SJO-GYE

http://www.nacion.com/2013-05-17/ElP...los-directos-desde-Costa-Rica.aspx

Juanchito



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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 120):

Well 261 people were axed from the SJO base today. Feel sorry for those folks...38 pilots, the rest was a split between cabin crew, counter and ops. Also some routes were axed today, mostly Airbus routes...JFK LAX HAV GYE are no longer operated friom SJO...massive changes it seems...



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6826 times:
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Sad to see so many routes being axed. What does this mean for SJO? Will AV/TA focus on having one hub at Central America rather than two?


avi8
User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 126, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6832 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 123):
According to this article Avianca-Taca will discontinue the following flights from SJO

SJO-LAX
SJO-HAV
SJO-JFK
SJO-UIO
SJO-GYE

Also SJO-PTY and SJO PTY-MDE

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 124):
Well 261 people were axed from the SJO base today. Feel sorry for those folks...38 pilots, the rest was a split between cabin crew, counter and ops. Also some routes were axed today, mostly Airbus routes...JFK LAX HAV GYE are no longer operated friom SJO...massive changes it seems...

Bad news indeed for the staff who have lost their jobs.
As for the way that Avianca-Taca handled the cancelation of these routes, only announced on the same day of the event is absolutely appalling.
Shame on Avianca.


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6840 times:
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Quoting summa767 (Reply 126):

Those routes were not mentioned in the article. Heck, SJO is now only slightly larger than GUA before these cuts were made. GUA serves SAP, TGU, ORD, MIA, LAX, FRS, SAL, and SJO. The only routes not served that SJO does are MGA, BOG and Mexico City.



avi8
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 128, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 124):
mostly Airbus routes...JFK LAX HAV GYE are no longer operated friom SJO...massive changes it seems...

Well DL will pick up the LAX slack at SJO.

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 124):
Well 261 people were axed from the SJO base today. Feel sorry for those folks...38 pilots, the rest was a split between cabin crew, counter and ops. Also some routes were axed today, mostly Airbus routes...JFK LAX HAV GYE are no longer operated friom SJO...massive changes it seems...

That was not the announcment(s) I was referring to. A few more days before it is made.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 129, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 125):

Sad to see so many routes being axed. What does this mean for SJO? Will AV/TA focus on having one hub at Central America rather than two?

I believe this is only the first tranche. we probably will see some more P2P dissappear in the coming months.IMHO
CM will benefit from these cuts more than AV.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 129):
IMHO
CM will benefit from these cuts more than AV.

100% aligned,

Quoting summa767 (Reply 126):
Bad news indeed for the staff who have lost their jobs.

hope CM expands it's operation so they can hire them  



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User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 131, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 127):
The only routes not served that SJO does are MGA, BOG and Mexico City.

MGA gets the chop too!
And next month SJO-LIM, as well as TGU-MIA

Full statement here, which only came late in the day yesterday, the day that the cuts were implemented.
http://www.taca.com/gnss/app/esp/promwp.asp?id=35&idpro=5437

Some things don't make sense, such as they state that flights to LIM, PTY among others remain, but are then listed in the discontinued lists. In the case of PTY there are only 2 daily flights (both chopped), one of which used to continue to MDE. In the case of LIM it looks like it goes from 13 to 7 weekly.

It really strikes of haphazardness in their communications, and general unprofessionalism.
Really quite disgustingly handled.


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6804 times:
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So is SJO still a hub or is it a focus city like GUA now? Also, what are the service increases from SAL? Where are all these extra planes going? I never thought this would happen. I'm astonished.


avi8
User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 133, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

Does it have to do with Jetblue plans in FLL?

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 128):
That was not the announcment(s) I was referring to. A few more days before it is made.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 134, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 125):
Sad to see so many routes being axed. What does this mean for SJO? Will AV/TA focus on having one hub at Central America rather than two?

Wow so they are really GUA-ing SJO, but how are they gonna supplement it if AV doesn't fly to all of CentAm from BOG?



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6754 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 126):
Also SJO-PTY and

No more lechero BZE-SAL-SJO-PTY for me I guess.


Dear CM, we are desperate in BZE now!



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User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 136, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Seriously?! What in the world is AV/TA thinking?!   

A little advance notice wouldn't have hurt -- I have a couple of passengers coming from PTY on Monday.   

Quoting summa767 (Reply 126):
Also SJO-PTY and SJO PTY-MDE

Yet CM is able to sustain 7 daily flights on the SJO-PTY route...

Quoting summa767 (Reply 131):
And next month SJO-LIM

Apparently it's only one of the frequencies, the other daily flight remains (for now at least).



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User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

This is one of the most horrendous HR move I've seen in LACSA since the pilot strike back in the 90s. Most of my friends at LR are gone now, and the situation was handled in the most unprofessional way they say. According to one of my ex Fight Attendant's friend, today they continue to fire people during the day, and the total workforce fired is now over 300. She said in the meeting the person in charge explained the SJO hub was posting losses on most of its flights, so they have decided to cancel the unprofitable flights and that means an important reduction in the workforce!

A really sad day for the aviation industry in Costa Rica and another hard hit for what its left from LACSA.

On a separate note, it seems like this news also took by surprise the people working on the call centers, as most of the operators today we shocking and experiencing high calls volume, and still don't know what to do or where to rebook these passengers, as many of the remaining flights were full, especially the ones to JFK, LAX and PTY! Sad sad day...



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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

Oficial List of Axed routes

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268815_10200607672986562_250453604_n.jpg



A380, A321, A320, A319, 757-200, 737-800WL, 737-700WL, E190
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6500 times:

One could have expected a bit flight cancellations advance notice, but how AV/TA has behaved with SJO and those flights passengers is unprofessional and unacceptable.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 135):
Dear CM, we are desperate in BZE now!

Now you really are.
In the meanwhile, a talk with Cayman Airways could get BZE linked with both GCM and PTY w/ twice weekly CM code-share GCM-BZE-PTY.

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 136):
Yet CM is able to sustain 7 daily flights on the SJO-PTY route...

Thanks to PTY CM Hub of the Americas, without the hub frequencies will be down to 2 or 3 per day (among the airlines flying the route).
Hope that CM is able to think on the PTY-SJO O/D market and offer an early morning PTY-SJO (0530h PTY departure) and late evening SJO-PTY (2230 PTY arrival) - both times off the PTY hub bank hours.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 140, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 139):

One could have expected a bit flight cancellations advance notice, but how AV/TA has behaved with SJO and those flights passengers is unprofessional and unacceptable.

Seriously I would've expected this from an airline like NK but AV/TA just threw their brand down the drain.

I guess the playing field may become friendly for new local entrants finally.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 141, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6449 times:

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 137):
On a separate note, it seems like this news also took by surprise the people working on the call centers,

Why am I not that surprised? They had a knack for sending cancellation notices late on a Sunday afternoon -- not an easy task to try to contact passengers out of business hours...

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 139):
Thanks to PTY CM Hub of the Americas, without the hub frequencies will be down to 2 or 3 per day (among the airlines flying the route).

Yeah, figured most of it would be connecting traffic, but there has to be some O/D...

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 139):
Hope that CM is able to think on the PTY-SJO O/D market and offer an early morning PTY-SJO (0530h PTY departure) and late evening SJO-PTY (2230 PTY arrival) - both times off the PTY hub bank hours.

I wish they would do the same with GUA (early morning PTY-GUA / evening GUA-PTY), but I guess there's not that much demand for that...



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 142, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

It seems CM is not wasting any time. They are in big need of pilots and will go to SJO to do some recruiting. Monday and Tuesday!
Great move!



C208B
User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 143, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6446 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 139):
One could have expected a bit flight cancellations advance notice, but how AV/TA has behaved with SJO and those flights passengers is unprofessional and unacceptable.

Agreed. TA/AV needed to cut their losses with SJO - but there are proper ways to do things and this is not one of them. Shame indeed

So what happening with all the extra airplanes?



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6402 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 142):
It seems CM is not wasting any time. They are in big need of pilots and will go to SJO to do some recruiting. Monday and Tuesday!

that's great news for the people who lost their jobs   

now, there is clearly an opportunity for the Embraer pilots however I'm not sure how it works for the ex AV/TA pilots who are qualified in Airbus since CM has 73x /embraer... how "easy" and costly is to "migrate " from 319/320 to 737 /738 ??



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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

Not only that, even Skymark has sent job offers to several pilots for A330 with several benefits.. QR sent a hiring crew for both pilots and cabin crew from DOH. Also LAN has offered the chance to hire ALL the pilots fired for their base in LIM. And last but not least...there is a rumor that CM will get an open skies agreement to poke AV in the nuts and is pushing for a base in SJO...with local pilots...let's see how it goes, certainly is gonna be a busy week for these folks.

The advantage of the majority of old pilots in LR is that they flew 737 as well...so they just need recurrent and they will be ready to go...

Also the situation is going to be worse in a few months, these layoffs are the start. SJO will stop being a hub for AV...I guess that Kriete was grabbed on the nuts by the Salvadorian government to not sacrifice SAL as as hub...Pilots that are currently working are also getting job offers...CM is including E90 pilots for their recruitment process.

[Edited 2013-05-19 22:42:37]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 146, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 145):
Also LAN has offered the chance to hire ALL the pilots fired for their base in LIM.

Indeed, LAN wants to hire all the redundant TACA pilots on contract for both the LIM and BOG bases. LAN is also offering contracts to TACA A320 pilots that have not been dismissed by AV as yet...