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Air China Orders 30 Boeings On 3-1-2013  
User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17054 times:

According to the announcement of Air China, CA orders 2x748I, 1x77W, 20x738 and Air China Cargo orders 7x777F on 3-1-2013. Air China also has the option to convert 4x738 to 1x77W. Air China will sell back its 7x744 to Boeing.

The prices for these planes are as follows: 748I-340 million USD, 77W-300 million USD, 738-80 million USD, 77F-280 million USD.

This order will increase Air China's total capacity by 18.7% in terms of available ton kilometers and 19.1% if Air China choose to convert 4x738 to 1x77W.

The link is in Chinese:
http://stock.sohu.com/20130301/n367554155.shtml

[Edited 2013-03-01 07:37:56]

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User currently offlinewarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17044 times:

Wow, more 748 passenger jet! now if CX will just follow.


747SP
User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16829 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Reply 1):

Given their partnership with Air China and their fleet of -8F, you can't be faulted for hoping! There is a real 747 culture in CX, but at the end of the day, money rules...

There is still no clue which way this one will go...

[Edited 2013-03-01 07:52:19]


Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16677 times:
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Quoting warren747sp (Reply 1):
Wow, more 748 passenger jet! now if CX will just follow.

All seven 777Fs were originally ordered by CX, who cancelled their 8-frame today (while adding five options) and took over three 747-8Fs that CA intended to order from Boeing.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16391 times:

Nice to hear about two more 748I orders.

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16277 times:

Quoting justinlee (Thread starter):
Air China will sell back its 7x744 to Boeing

Could it be that this is a new approach of Boeing as part of their 748-sales campaigns? It sounds very similiar to the deal for additional CX 748Fs as reported in the other thread.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4881 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16130 times:

Quoting na (Reply 4):
Nice to hear about two more 748I orders.

Would be nicer if one or both come in VVIP configuration.  



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16092 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 5):
Could it be that this is a new approach of Boeing as part of their 748-sales campaigns? It sounds very similiar to the deal for additional CX 748Fs as reported in the other thread.

If so, its not very successful, taking back 7 old 744s for selling just two new Jumbo-Jets. Now if they would have ordered 7 748Fs the sales department would have more to celebrate...

Btw, Air China Cargo has 9 BCFs/BDSFs at the moment, so it seems they´ll keep 2 frames.


User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15886 times:

Air China is taking eight 777Fs, the ones Cathay has just cancelled.

[Edited 2013-03-01 09:12:44]

User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15730 times:
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So what's the point of having both 77W and 748i in one fleet? I really don't understand this unless they get huge discounts.

Anyway, congrats to Boeing. A nice order.


User currently offlineb777erj145 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15496 times:

Good for Boeing and Air China. I novice here as I just started this hobby so a question what Boeing will do with used 744s?

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15370 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 9):

So what's the point of having both 77W and 748i in one fleet? I really don't understand this unless they get huge discounts.

Well, I´d understand if you´d ask why others airlines operate 772s and 77Ws, but this question? They are both very different planes, the 748I being quite a bit bigger and able to offer superior accomodation for its high-yield passengers.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 6):
Would be nicer if one or both come in VVIP configuration.  

Why?


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15287 times:

Quoting b777erj145 (Reply 10):

Good for Boeing and Air China. I novice here as I just started this hobby so a question what Boeing will do with used 744s?

Those planes in question are between 18 and 23 years old, capable of flying 5 or 10 years more. They will be offering them to operators who still got 742Fs or startups who might be tempted by a low pricetag. And/or maybe Boeing will possibly scrap the oldest frames to take pressure from the currently soft market if they dont sell in the next 12 months or so. Some will surely find a new home.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15158 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 9):
So what's the point of having both 77W and 748i in one fleet? I really don't understand this unless they get huge discounts.

There are significant size differences for one. LH operates both 748i's and A346's for example.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15010 times:
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Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 9):
So what's the point of having both 77W and 748i in one fleet?

Depending on how you configure it, there is about a 75-seat delta between a 747-8 and 777-300ER so AC might have routes that higher traffic and therefore can make use of the extra seats the 747-8 offers.



Quoting b777erj145 (Reply 10):
so a question what Boeing will do with used 744s?

In addition to na's comments, Boeing could also strip some of them for spares to re-stock their stores.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4881 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15011 times:

Quoting na (Reply 11):

Why?

It's just the enthusiast in me talking   .

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 9):
So what's the point of having both 77W and 748i in one fleet?

The hoi polloi fly on the former while the hoi oligoi enjoy the latter.   



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2155 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14342 times:

Quoting na (Reply 12):
capable of flying 5 or 10 years more.
Quoting na (Reply 12):
Some will surely find a new home.


With global climate change and increase chance of wild fire, there may be a market to 747 tankers.


bt



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User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14269 times:

I think SFO is the last International 74M/744 route being flown by CA. The 74M is finally being replaced by a full pax 744 this coming Spring when JFK goes over to the 777-300ER. I anticipate SFO to get the 77W in the next year or two.


John@SFO
User currently offlineB2468 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13343 times:

Great to see more 748i in CA livery (I know many don't like their livery, but I love it)!

I just hope my namesake 744M doesn't get the axe!



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User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12727 times:

Which route CA will deploy those 2 747-8i? Any idea guys?

User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12516 times:

Quoting B2468 (Reply 18):

The 74M will be withdrawn from service this Spring. This time next Summer, CA will no longer fly their 747s until the 748s arrive .



John@SFO
User currently offlinedtfg From China, joined Jan 2013, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11548 times:

when will the 747-8I be delivered?

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4980 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11019 times:

LH operate the A346, B744, B748i & A380 along aside one an other so I don't see the problem with CA operating the B77W & B748i...

Well done Boeing & CA...

EK413



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25784 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10951 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 17):
I think SFO is the last International 74M/744 route being flown by CA. The 74M is finally being replaced by a full pax 744 this coming Spring when JFK goes over to the 777-300ER. I anticipate SFO to get the 77W in the next year or two.

I'm surprised CA has hung onto the older 747s at SFO.

They were pretty fast to bring their new product and go double daily at LAX using the 77W.

Dont they view SFO as competitive market worthy of their best product?



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10898 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 6):
Would be nicer if one or both come in VVIP configuration.

Since CA is returning the remaining 744s, which one usually operated for VIP missions, it is certainly feasible the two additional 748s will be for VVIP operations.
Both #1 & #3 world economic powers operate a pair of 747s, so why shouldn't PRC join the club too. World economic powers #4 & #5 operate a different type of 4-engined aircraft for VVIP operations.


25 EK413 : They have been quick to bring the new product to SYD too... I'm surprised they don't rotate the aircraft in the morning with a tag on service opposed
26 Post contains links legacyins : I was quite disappointed myself as I used to fly them quite often from SFO-PEK on their 74M. They do codeshare with UA on their PEK flight, so maybe
27 WROORD : Agreed. I am surprised that there is no more 748I orders from CX, SQ, JL and HN. Let's hope.
28 Stitch : JL, NH and SQ have no need for a 747-sized aircraft, so none of them will be placing an order. I still expect CX, if they go for a VLA, to go for the
29 justinlee : Considering the current cost-saving campaign in the CPC, I really suspect this VVIP configuration. For example, they have cancelled the charter fligh
30 Newark727 : It wouldn't surprise me if one or two eventually got used for head of state type flights, several countries including China have used their airlines'
31 SCAT15F : But CA already has 5 748i on order, so this makes it 7. So why would these two be used for something different than the other 5? Also, nobody ever me
32 SCAT15F : Also, what gives with the 15 aircraft 748i commitment announced in 2011 (believed to be HK or another Chinese airline?) Still waiting on government ap
33 justinlee : I mean all these 748 will operate VIP missions. For example, nowadays, these VIP missions are operated by different planes in the 744 fleet of Air Ch
34 Newark727 : I'm wondering this as well. But if it was Hainan Group/Hong Kong Airlines, they had a bit of a change of heart about the A380 so I wouldn't be surpri
35 sweair : I was viewing 748 vs 744 film clips, there is a big difference in noise between them in the cabin, those genx suckers are quite good in this way. A ve
36 Post contains images dc1030cf : Don't hold your breath. It won't happen for a V-E-R-Y L-O-N-G time. CI and Taiwan in general, both have too much internal politics for any decision t
37 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Glad to see the 748I break through with another airline! It's been a long time coming. A two aircraft order means most likely that CA will use them fo
38 flightsimer : Hate to burst your bubble, but this a top up order for 747-8I's, not a new airline. Air China finalized their 2011 announcement for 5 last year some
39 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : If I'm a 748I fan, so how would 7 total orders vs 2 be "bursting my bubble"?? IIRC, the 5 previous were not official or were pending government revie
40 Post contains links KarelXWB : Air China firmed the order for 5 748i aircraft last September. http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...ology/2019144898_boeing747xml.html
41 na : Absolutely, after flying with the new 747 there is no doubt left - the 748I is clearly superior to the 77W from a passenger perspective. On the upper
42 Stitch : The Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department recently lifted the growth restrictions they put into place last year, so Hong Kong Airlines is now allowed t
43 Polot : As later mentioned though HNA has backpedaled some at the end of last year and admitted that they may cancel them due to the weak market. While they
44 WROORD : What makes you so sure? JL and SQ up to recently had 747-400 in their fleet. 748I could be a nice complement to SQ A380. JL is picking up business an
45 Newark727 : While I wouldn't suggest that this disproves your point about JL or SQ, NH's domestic 747s are being retired right now, and I doubt that the sort of
46 Stitch : SQ has no use for a 747-8. The 777-300ER has 70% of the passenger capacity of their A380-800 (278 seats to 409) and when it proves to be too small, SQ
47 na : Well, thats a much bigger step than between their A330/772s and the 77W. I wouldnt rule out the 748I in the longer term although I admit the chances
48 Cargolex : You know, you can't say "absolutely never" about many things, but if any of these three order the 747-8i, it won't be any time soon (not within the n
49 Stitch : When he was CEO of SQ, Chew Choon Seng publicly stated he had no interest in adding the 747-8 to the fleet because, and I quote, "that aircraft is ba
50 bmacleod : Hopefully this news means CX is leaning toward the 748I; then again, BA ordered the 748F but picked the A380 over the 748I.
51 Cargolex : BA has never placed an order for any 747-8Fs. Their livery is on aircraft that are owned by another company and operated for BA, but they are not BA
52 Post contains images Newark727 : It's not quite the same situation as BA, since the World Cargo freighters are owned by Atlas Air and there's only three of them anyway, compared to B
53 Post contains images SCAT15F : Well, it seems that CX really is the best shot the 748i has (in the near-term anyway). As the up to spec versions start flying passengers in 2014, we
54 neutrino : Some of us (yours truly included) really despised that nincompoop for calling the Queen of the Skies "yesterday's plane". Its akin to calling trail b
55 na : That the 748I and A380 are superior to the 777 is an architectural issue, I´m not talking about the seats. The 747 offers unique, more intimate and
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