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UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)  
User currently offlinesjc30l From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7244 times:

I just saw a UA 744 fly thru downtown San Jose this morning headed for one of the 30s at SJC. Anyone have any idea what it is?

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

SFO has had very heavy fog this morning, with a ground stop in effect. The 744 could just be a diversion while the weather clears.


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User currently offlinesjc30l From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

Yeah...I was thinking it might be from the fog too. I guess I should look out for more rare birds for these parts coming in this morning.

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6097 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

Current SFO weather:

KSFO 011656Z 00000KT 1/4SM R28R/0500V0800FT FG BKN001 09/09 A3040 RMK AO2 SLP295 T00940089

Looks like I'll have a long night at work cleaning this crap up!



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Glad I am off today....Its beautiful on the coast today. I think I will make a large picture of Margaritas and take a nap on the sun deck!

User currently offlineflySFO From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Yep I just landed at SJC and there is a United 747, 2 smaller United planes, and an American M80 parked on the ramp just north of terminal A. Doesn't look like SJC has a gate to handle the 747, would all the passengers have to reom onboard?

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9503 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

It is United 838 from HKG. They held for 45 minutes waiting for SFO before diverting to SJC.

UA typically does not allow any passengers off when they divert to SJC or OAK, so everyone will be waiting until they get to SFO. That's a very frustrating wait for passengers after a 12 hour flight from HKG.

It looks like UA flights from PHL and GDL also diverted.

[Edited 2013-03-01 10:22:36]


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User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6783 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 6):
It is United 838 from HKG.

UA 862 is from HK, 838 is NRT.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 6):
UA typically does not allow any passengers off when they divert to SJC or OAK, so everyone will be waiting until they get to SFO.

Since it is an International flight, it is not UA's call. Clearance to disembark is given by CBP.



John@SFO
User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6097 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6719 times:

Quoting flySFO (Reply 5):

The AA MD80 would be a scheduled SJC flight. SFO very rarely see's Mad-Dogs

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):
Since it is an International flight, it is not UA's call. Clearance to disembark is given by CBP.

And considering it's March 1st and no over-time, could be a long day.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 6):
That's a very frustrating wait for passengers after a 12 hour flight from HKG.

Not a whole lot can be done about that, but they are safely on the ground. UA will do everything in their power to expedite these passengers to SFO.



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User currently onlineeastbay From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

AA 441 from MIA, a 767-300 reg. N370AA also diverted into SJC. All 4 diverts (plus a CRJ from SLC, I believe) departed for SFO close to the same time, after noon. The UA 747 was N182UA, with UA 445 from PHL aircraft N842UA and UA 1582 from GDL N78506.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7989 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

Why the diversions when SFO has CAT IIIB landing systems? Unless SFO has turned them off for repairs....

User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 10):

They were down to ~ 30 arrivals per hour from ~60. I guess the long hauls started to back up and probably ran low on fuel.



John@SFO
User currently offlineflySFO From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6139 times:

There was an Air Tran 737 that landed around 1030 and parked south of gate 28

User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 4):
Glad I am off today....Its beautiful on the coast today. I think I will make a large picture of Margaritas and take a nap on the sun deck!

Indeed it was spectacular today. Once the fog cleared out midday it was a perfect day in the high 60s ... with great visibility. There wasn't even any fog on the coast along the PCH from Monterey to the Marin Highlands. Quite a change from 8am, when you couldn't even see across the street in parts of San Mateo. I also enjoyed my day off moving about the Bay Area  


User currently offlineHumanitarian From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

Quoting flySFO (Reply 12):
There was an Air Tran 737 that landed around 1030 and parked south of gate 28

It was a military charter flight and not a diversion.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6097 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 10):
Why the diversions when SFO has CAT IIIB landing systems? Unless SFO has turned them off for repairs....

First was fuel as said above. With the huge amount of arrivals in those hours, the rate of 30 doesn't cut it. Add into that the equation of some crew not being legal to fly it (example, new to aircraft, etc or aircraft MEL preventing it). Then you have some that just are not certified for CatIII, like SkyWest. Add that all up and there are a lot of diversions.

There were over 30 SkyWest diversions alone today with most of them in SMF.



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User currently offlinemikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
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Here are some pics I took out there that morning:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9550249@N03/sets/72157632907883379/

eastbay - was nice to have met and chatted with you!



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User currently onlineeastbay From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

Thanks Mike! I enjoyed it as well.

Still going through my pics- I'll send ya a link when I get the chance

Ray


User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 926 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Does anyone recall how long the UA 747 stayed in SJC before making it to SFO?


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User currently offlineHumanitarian From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 18):

Does anyone recall how long the UA 747 stayed in SJC before making it to SFO?

Not sure what time it arrived that morning but it left around noon.


User currently offlinemikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
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Came in around 9:30AM. I happened to be listening to NORCAL as SJC was under ground stop for a short time as well due to fog when 862 was going to divert, then it looked as if they were going to try to make SFO but then came back a short time that they were inbound to SJC.


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User currently offlinesjc30l From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2391 times:

Could SJC handle an A380 diversion? I know LH 454 & LH 455 use an A380 on the SFO FRA route during certain times of the year.

User currently offline10mid From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

I was on that flight. When we were on the ground in SJC, the FAs discovered that all but the 5L and R PAs and interphones were inop. So they were waiting for maintenance to come defer it. But before they could come on, they had to get Customs to clear the plane first. I think we finally arrived at the gate round about 1230.

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6097 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting sjc30l (Reply 21):
Could SJC handle an A380 diversion? I know LH 454 & LH 455 use an A380 on the SFO FRA route during certain times of the year.

No. SJC is very narrowly set up and has a lot of restrictions on wide-body. There is a lot of restrictions when 747's have to divert there, but UA chooses SJC since there is company staffing.

I believe the A380 operators use LAX as there alternate , for multiple reasons, when operating to SFO and vice versa.



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User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2991 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 23):

No. SJC is very narrowly set up and has a lot of restrictions on wide-body. There is a lot of restrictions when 747's have to divert there, but UA chooses SJC since there is company staffing.
Quoting as739x (Reply 23):

No. SJC is very narrowly set up and has a lot of restrictions on wide-body. There is a lot of restrictions when 747's have to divert there, but UA chooses SJC since there is company staffing.

Ten years ago I flew into SJC on AS during a very windy weather pattern. There were numerous UA 767s and 777s on the ground at SJC, on taxiways, along with an AC A320 (after AC has discontinued SJC). They all took off around 11pm for the 30 mile flight to SFO.

I thought wide-bodies usually diverted into OAK or SMF, rather than SJC, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

From what I understand, AA uses SMF and FAT as alternates for SJC and SFO. Is that still true.


25 as739x : Not necessarily. But it puts taxiway restrictions into play that are Notam'd when large WB operate. There are already restrictions on taxiway's Z and
26 mikesairways : But what a sight it would be!!! A boy can only dream.
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