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Dragonair (KA) Rebranding?  
User currently offlineLafite82 From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2012, 41 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 9239 times:

KA is a wholly owned subsidiary of CX. There is an article in today's newspaper (South China Morning Post) which supposedly shows a KA employee posing in front of an aircraft image showing "Cathay Dragon" .

The article and the image can be seen via the following link:

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/a...ictures-baffle-dragonair-employees

The image even shows a CX tail fin, so if the rebranding is true, looks like we may lose the KA's livery altogether !

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30613 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 9246 times:
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Ben Sandlands commented on it a couple of weeks back - http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...s-new-and-less-new-hk-competitors/

User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 9189 times:

Well, according to Wikipedia (I know, I know.....) CX will be transfering 6 A330 to KA this year. The re-branding, if it happened, would mean not having to repaint the planes in current KA livery. Just update the title decals. Just a thought .....


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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 9138 times:

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2):
Well, according to Wikipedia (I know, I know.....) CX will be transfering 6 A330 to KA this year. The re-branding, if it happened, would mean not having to repaint the planes in current KA livery. Just update the title decals. Just a thought .....

CX A330s being transferred to KA has been happening over the last few years already. When done, most of the KA A330 fleet will be from CX's older low weight model A330s. The first of the six to join KA this year has already entered service with them in the current Dragonair paintjob but is the first to feature the new cabin.

Quoting Lafite82 (Thread starter):
The image even shows a CX tail fin, so if the rebranding is true, looks like we may lose the KA's livery altogether !

I didn't realise Dragonair had a livery!! Just a bit of paint on an otherwise white (Dirty grey) aircraft! 


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 9072 times:

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2):
The re-branding, if it happened, would mean not having to repaint the planes in current KA livery.

It would also mean the transfer wouldn't need to happen, as they'd be the same airline.



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User currently offlineLafite82 From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2012, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 8993 times:

Well it seems KA is not just getting old A330's frames from CX. A330-343E (MSN 1457) which I presume was originally ordered by CX, will be delivered new to KA on Q4.

User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 8836 times:

Generally speaking, Dragon Air's cabin is a bit out-dated compared to Cathay. If they choose to use Cathay Dragon, I think it's a diminishing for Cathay's brand image.

What's more, in my understanding, Dragon Air is the regional and leisure travel brand for Cathay Pacific. It has a long-term market presence in Mainland China and won a good reputation in this region. I will say the Cathay Dragon is not a good idea.


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 8749 times:

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 4):
Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2):
The re-branding, if it happened, would mean not having to repaint the planes in current KA livery.

It would also mean the transfer wouldn't need to happen, as they'd be the same airline.

They would still not be the same airline but operate under seperate AOCs, with seperate cabin crew and cockpit crews.

Quoting Lafite82 (Reply 5):
Well it seems KA is not just getting old A330's frames from CX. A330-343E (MSN 1457) which I presume was originally ordered by CX, will be delivered new to KA on Q4.

Rumours are that this could be the first plane in the new scheme.

Quoting justinlee (Reply 6):
Generally speaking, Dragon Air's cabin is a bit out-dated compared to Cathay. If they choose to use Cathay Dragon, I think it's a diminishing for Cathay's brand image.

The new cabin for Dragonair is identical to Cathay's new regional cabin. Same colour seats and everything. The IFE StudioCX is StudioKA for them but otherwise its all the same.


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

They did say the brand would be kept for a minimum of 6 years when Cathay took over Dragonair in 2006.

2006 + 6 = 2012



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 8485 times:

I think there was a thread about this a couple weeks back, though I think it got deleted...


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User currently offlinejonnyclark From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 6):

Generally speaking, Dragon Air's cabin is a bit out-dated compared to Cathay. If they choose to use Cathay Dragon, I think it's a diminishing for Cathay's brand image.


They have just launched a new interior cabin renewal program that fits nicely in line with the Cathay brand.

http://wp.me/p2mH8F-jS

I can see the Cathay Dragon brand happening, but I think these may have been pitch images for a rebrand and not anything concrete. The two airlines are fairly unique in the world, by that I mean two completely different brands doing both short haul and long haul.

Where is the strategic advantage in separating out the brand image? Whilst dragon air has good internal market value, internationally it's either not known or seen as an inferior product.



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User currently offlineHawaiianBird From Germany, joined Jan 2013, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 7910 times:

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 10):
The two airlines are fairly unique in the world, by that I mean two completely different brands doing both short haul and long haul.

As far as I am aware in pax operation at least KA only flies to intra-Asian destinations and no intercontinental flights, so I would not consider any of their destinations of being long-haul, just short and medium-haul.
Correct me if I am wrong.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months ago) and read 7822 times:

Why cant it be Cathay Pacific operated by Dragon Air like they do in Europe?

User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 10):
Where is the strategic advantage in separating out the brand image? Whilst dragon air has good internal market value, internationally it's either not known or seen as an inferior product.

CX doesn't fly to a lot of destinations in Mainland China, only Beijing and Shanghai. But KA has a much bigger presence in Mainland China. So the brand name Dragon Air is more famous than CX among average travelers. And Dragon Air is a little bit like a budget airline (in terms of service, product, milage, etc). It's a just like the idea of Singapore Airlines and Silk.


User currently offlinejonnyclark From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7681 times:

Don't get me wrong, I understand the regional network that Dragonair flies, but considering they are all Hong Kong bound, the passengers will undoubtably know the Cathay brand equally. When websites, entertainment options, magazines etc start aligning themselves between two brands, it makes sense for the actual brands to align too. Considering dragonair can act as feeder traffic, and vice versa, it is logical to tie the brands closer. I can't actually think of another airline anywhere in the world where their regional carrier doesn't reflect their international outfit.

... Anyone care to try and think of an exception?



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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 12):
Why cant it be Cathay Pacific operated by Dragon Air like they do in Europe?

They would be opening a whole can or worms with regards to the unions and also the route rights they have. Dragonair cannot simply hand the routes over to CX. They would have to give them up and CX would have to reapply for them to be operated themselves and of course they might not get them back! There is Jetstar Hong Kong, Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Express waiting in the wings.

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 14):
Don't get me wrong, I understand the regional network that Dragonair flies, but considering they are all Hong Kong bound, the passengers will undoubtably know the Cathay brand equally. When websites, entertainment options, magazines etc start aligning themselves between two brands, it makes sense for the actual brands to align too. Considering dragonair can act as feeder traffic, and vice versa, it is logical to tie the brands closer. I can't actually think of another airline anywhere in the world where their regional carrier doesn't reflect their international outfit.

... Anyone care to try and think of an exception?

I totally agree. An alignment of the two brands makes total sense. Dragonair can be slowly sacrificed in order to make the Cathay brand stronger, especially in China where the Cathay brand is not particularly well known.

An exception is Silk Air and Singapore Airlines.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 13):
It's a just like the idea of Singapore Airlines and Silk.

Both need to merge as well.


User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6361 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 13):
And Dragon Air is a little bit like a budget airline (in terms of service, product, milage, etc).

I have flown KA many times and i don't think Dragonair is anything like a budget airline. They serve Häagen-Dazs in Y just like its bigger sister, CX and they serve generous foods even in Y. While the planes are pretty old and currently none of their A320-200 offer IFE, it is still a very decent airline and i found KA crews in Y to be more attentive and friendlier than CX's. And luckily, all their planes will be refurbished with news seats and all. So very soon KA will be just as good as CX, if not better.

KA is a very well known brand in this region. I personally do not wish to see the KA brand merge into CX. KA is special in its own way.

Quoting 777way (Reply 16):
Both need to merge as well.

No. They don't and thankfully it will not happen anytime soon. MI's operating cost is much lower than that of SIA's and the SIA Group is happy with the current arrangement.


User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 15):

They've needed to do something for while. I don't understand why you would have 2 brands offering the same service at the same price point? Either they give the brands 2 distinct images (1 premium/ 1 LCC). Or they merge them and offer a full spectrum under 1 brand.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 17):
i found KA crews in Y to be more attentive and friendlier than CX's

Agreed.

Perhaps Cathay Dragon is just the first step in the brand integration. After a few years of operating under the Cathay Dragon brand, customers in mainland China would become more familiar with the Cathay brand. Then it maybe the time Dragon disappear altogether.


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 19):
Perhaps Cathay Dragon is just the first step in the brand integration. After a few years of operating under the Cathay Dragon brand, customers in mainland China would become more familiar with the Cathay brand. Then it maybe the time Dragon disappear altogether.

If I was a manager that is what I would aim to do eventually, once they had overcome the union integration issues and AOC+route rights merger.


User currently offlineLafite82 From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2012, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting PVG (Reply 18)

Your comments make sense, however one really need to look at the background which necessitated CX buying out KA. It seemed like a strategic move on CX's part, but there was also an underlining political issue !

By 2005, CNAC and CITIC Pacific (both being Chinese enterprises and controlled by the Chinese Govt) owned something like 70% of KA. There were talks that the Chinese Govt had intended to develop KA as the second Hong Kong carrier. If CX did not buyout KA, they would have found themselves competing head on against an airline with an unlimited budget and political clout. It seemed that CX was "forced" to buy KA to maintain its superior presence (or survival, which ever way you want to look at it) in Hong Kong.

CX has always maintained that KA will operate as a separate entity within the Cathay Pacific Group, but everything KA did which competed against CX were put on the chopping block. KA's service to TYO and BKK were short lived, and expansion plans to SEL, SYD and USA were not allow to materialize ! Currently, the only common destinations between the two carriers, apart from SHA and PEK, is TPE and MNL ! Let's face it, KA will only be allowed routes that big brother CX does not want !

KA is hugely successful but because of its network, will always be considered a regional carrier. I feel CX's plan is to use KA to feed its international network, much like the relationship between SQ and MI.

Justinlee has correctly pointed out that KA is well known in China but not the CX brand, and with more and more affluent Chinese traveling overseas, it is inevitable that CX wants a bigger piece of the pie. The re-branding will allow more Chinese to know the CX connection via HKG. As far as a merger is concerned, I don't see this happening, at least not in the immediate future !


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Just wish to ask: is the Cathay Dragon brand something that is definitely going to happen (and when?), or is this just another a-net rumour?

User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 22):
Just wish to ask: is the Cathay Dragon brand something that is definitely going to happen (and when?), or is this just another a-net rumour?

Well it isn't just a rumour. Those photos have been produced professionally and they have admitted that they are looking at a number of rebranding options so although the name and scheme in the leaked images may not be the final choice, it does seem as though something is in the works.

Dragonair has launched new crew uniforms which although different to the CX ones, do look similar. The cabins have been revamped to be identical to the CX regional ones as well and likewise for the IFE. An aircraft experior revamp is simply the next logical step.


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 17):
I have flown KA many times and i don't think Dragonair is anything like a budget airline. They serve Häagen-Dazs in Y just like its bigger sister, CX and they serve generous foods even in Y. While the planes are pretty old and currently none of their A320-200 offer IFE, it is still a very decent airline and i found KA crews in Y to be more attentive and friendlier than CX's.

I agree. But currently the KA's hard product can't be compared to CX's, especially the Business Class.

Quoting Lafite82 (Reply 21):
If CX did not buyout KA, they would have found themselves competing head on against an airline with an unlimited budget and political clout. It seemed that CX was "forced" to buy KA to maintain its superior presence (or survival, which ever way you want to look at it) in Hong Kong.

And then HX and UO came, competition is always there!


User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3898 times:
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Dragonair's brand is much much much more stronger than Cathay Pacific in China,
if CX really need to rebrand Dragonair, CX's livery + Dragonair's name can do the job.
Really no need to create a new brand "Cathay Dragon"

In addition, I don't think CX and Dragonair will merge in the near future.
They will continue to operate as two seperate airlines due to the air traffic right arrangement.
Dragonair is currently the 2nd carrier in HK in term of air traffic right,
by not mergeing CX and Dragonair into one single airline,
they can enjoy some advantages from the allocation of new traffic right,
which is a way to limit the growth of their competitor, HX & UO in Hong Kong.

[Edited 2013-03-03 01:25:13]

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

This was done by someone whnen CX decided to buy KA.

http://jetabout.webs.com/eaa/Cathay/CX320b.gif


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8872 posts, RR: 75
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3898 times:

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2):
Well, according to Wikipedia (I know, I know.....) CX will be transfering 6 A330 to KA this year.

As other have been saying, as the leases on the KA A330s came up, they were replaced with the "light TOW" CX A330s, these airframes were relatively low cycles for the hours on them. KA operate shorter sectors, so they will put more cycles on the airframe per time in service.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
When done, most of the KA A330 fleet will be from CX's older low weight model A330s.

Some of their heavy weight A330Es were supposed to come to CX to reduce their cycles.

Quoting Lafite82 (Reply 5):
Well it seems KA is not just getting old A330's frames from CX. A330-343E (MSN 1457) which I presume was originally ordered by CX, will be delivered new to KA on Q4.

KA will be seeing a nice increase in fleet size, a cynical person might suggest this is the cheapest way to gain additional slots in HKG......

Quoting justinlee (Reply 13):
And Dragon Air is a little bit like a budget airline (in terms of service, product, milage, etc).

If KA is a budget airline, I would love to see how you would describe the mainland full service airlines on the same routes.

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 14):
I can't actually think of another airline anywhere in the world where their regional carrier doesn't reflect their international outfit.

It is in a lot of places, and a lot of time it comes about from mergers and acquisitions (other examples are Skywest in Australia and Virgin Australia, Network, Alliance, National Jet and Qantas). A number of larger carriers also setup LCC under different brands.

Quoting PVG (Reply 18):
I don't understand why you would have 2 brands offering the same service at the same price point?

It is two different airlines which have their own traffic "rights".

Quoting Lafite82 (Reply 21):
Let's face it, KA will only be allowed routes that big brother CX does not want !

If you knew your history, CX actually "gave' KA its routes, and actually operated a number of them like KK with L1011s for them.



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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 27):
If KA is a budget airline, I would love to see how you would describe the mainland full service airlines on the same routes.

Yeah..Yeah...I mean...it's a little bit budget than CX...


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 27):
Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
When done, most of the KA A330 fleet will be from CX's older low weight model A330s.

Some of their heavy weight A330Es were supposed to come to CX to reduce their cycles.

Doesn't seem to be happening now with four of KA's own A330s due to be returned to the leasing company this year.

Funnily enough, B-LAA and B-LAB are both slated to join the KA fleet this year - both are higher weight A330s if I am not wrong....presumably to help serve their longer routes to India.


User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3502 times:
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Quoting justinlee (Reply 28):
Yeah..Yeah...I mean...it's a little bit budget than CX...

In many case, CX's services are more budget-style than KA,

For example, on flights to Taipei, CX serve hotdog (something like that) while KA serve full hot meal (but sadly changed recently to hotdog due to CX's cost cutting policy);

on flights to Beijing and Shanghai, KA will place a bottle of water in every seat's pocket before the boarding and all meals come with an ice-cream; all of these items are missing from CX's flight.


User currently offlinedank From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 16
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting davidho1985 (Reply 30):

Quoting justinlee (Reply 28):
Yeah..Yeah...I mean...it's a little bit budget than CX...

In many case, CX's services are more budget-style than KA,

For example, on flights to Taipei, CX serve hotdog (something like that) while KA serve full hot meal (but sadly changed recently to hotdog due to CX's cost cutting policy);

on flights to Beijing and Shanghai, KA will place a bottle of water in every seat's pocket before the boarding and all meals come with an ice-cream; all of these items are missing from CX's flight.

I think Zeke's point was that the mainland Chinese full service carriers do not provide the service levels that the majority of other East and Southeast Asian carriers have. So KA still looks full service compared even if it does provide a slightly lower level of service (in general) compared to CX. That would be my experience, as well. The mainland Chinese carriers in my experience provide service closer to US carriers than to the majority of other Asian carriers I have flown (other than the budget airlines).


User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3085 times:
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Quoting dank (Reply 31):
I think Zeke's point was that the mainland Chinese full service carriers do not provide the service levels that the majority of other East and Southeast Asian carriers have. So KA still looks full service compared even if it does provide a slightly lower level of service (in general) compared to CX. That would be my experience, as well. The mainland Chinese carriers in my experience provide service closer to US carriers than to the majority of other Asian carriers I have flown (other than the budget airlines).

I am based in Hong Kong and travel a lot on both CX and KA. Following are the meals I got in these few years.

KA's Breakfast onboard Hong Kong to Beijing (aroudn 3 hours flight)
KA's brunch onboard Hong Kong to Shanghai (around 2 hours flight)
CX's dinner onboard Shanghai to Hong Kong (around 2 hours flight)
CX's brunch onboard Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur (3+ hours flight)
CX's dinner onboard Kuala Lumpur to Hong Kong (3+ hours flight)
CX's brunch onboard Hong Kong to Seoul (3+ hours flight)
CX's dinner onboard Seoul to Hong Kong (3+ hours flight)
KA's meals are always better than CX. I can't find a major different between KA & CX in term of their inflight services.
Actually those from KA are consistently better than CX. Yes, IFE is KA's weakest point but consider that their flights are mainly less than 3 hours, PTV is not that important for their passangers.

[Edited 2013-03-03 17:39:27]

User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 24):
I agree. But currently the KA's hard product can't be compared to CX's, especially the Business Class.

And this will soon change with all the new seats coming...

Quoting zeke (Reply 27):
If you knew your history, CX actually "gave' KA its routes, and actually operated a number of them like KK with L1011s for them.

KK ? As in BKI ?

Quoting davidho1985 (Reply 30):
on flights to Beijing and Shanghai, KA will place a bottle of water in every seat's pocket before the boarding and all meals come with an ice-cream; all of these items are missing from CX's flight.

Noticed the same!

Quoting davidho1985 (Reply 32):
Actually those from KA are consistently better than CX.

Agreed!


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting davidho1985 (Reply 32):
KA's meals are always better than CX. I can't find a major different between KA & CX in term of their inflight services.
Actually those from KA are consistently better than CX. Yes, IFE is KA's weakest point but consider that their flights are mainly less than 3 hours, PTV is not that important for their passangers.

Firstly, these meals illustrated can't reflect the average standard of KA. Only HKG-PEK and HKG-PVG will be served with premium catering. If you would like to try HKG-2 tier mainland cities, the service standard is different.

Secondly, the image of carriers are not just about service. B6 has a better service than UA/DL/AA, but still considered to be LCC or hybrid. It's also about the network, FFP, fleet, etc.


User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Quoting Lafite82 (Reply 21):
Let's face it, KA will only be allowed routes that big brother CX does not want !

Just look at their route map and the yeilds they produce - DAC, KTM, MNL, HKT, PNH, BLR


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8872 posts, RR: 75
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 29):

Doesn't seem to be happening now with four of KA's own A330s due to be returned to the leasing company this year.

No, the leased A330s aircraft are being returned, I was talking about aircraft that are owned by CX/KA.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 29):

Funnily enough, B-LAA and B-LAB are both slated to join the KA fleet this year - both are higher weight A330s if I am not wrong....presumably to help serve their longer routes to India.

The weights we are interested in on inta asia routes are the MZFW and MLW, it is not uncommon to takeoff from India being either/both MZFW/MLW limited. The new A330s have new higher variable weights.



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