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User currently offlineCms151515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

I'm quite sure that the plane that crashed in Pensylvania was shot down...let me recap the events that have brought me to my current opinion...

After the first plane had crashed into the pentagon, a reporter on CNN said that another plane was headed towards the Pentagon, and would arrive within 15 minutes or so. A moment later the same reporter said that he/she (I forget the sex) saw an F-15 fly overhead. That plane never materialized at the Pentagon...it "crashed" in Pensylvania. I'm not taking any sides as to whether I believe this was a correct step, but I do believe it happened and that the gov't aught to let the people know what they did. Also, a 911 call, which might have included info about this plane crash, has been taken in by the FBI. Well, why this tape? They have released every tidbit of info except this tape. Hmm.

By the way, my most sincerest condolences to those affected by the events of today.

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User currently offlineNwafirstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

my view is quite obvious...the pilot knew about all the crap going on at the time, knew there were terrorists somehow, knew it was going to go somewhere important, probably whitehouse or chicago or LA, so he delibretly crashed it himself so it wouldn't do further damage

User currently offlineCms151515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

I dont believe that any of the Airline's pilots were at command for these crashes...the terrorists crashed the planes into the buildings, and the plane that went down in Pensylvania probably had a terrorist at the helm...The fighters shot down the Jet in a fashion so that it looked like a crash, that way their judgement would not be questioned, unless they choose to make their decision public. C

User currently offlineScutfarcus From United States of America, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1402 times:



Were there not several eye witneses? I head a guy say he say the plane flying erratically, and did not see a missile, as if there was some struggle for the controls...


User currently offlineLsjef From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

I doubt the military trains their pilots how to shoot aircraft down "in a fashion so that it looked like a crash".

If this aircraft was shot down (and it very possibly was) it was after repeated attempts to communicate, and for failure to comply with intercept instructions. This is a reasonable and appropriate military action given the proven potential for damage by UAL93.

If the aircraft was not shot down, odds are there was a struggle between the flight crew and the hijackers; the flight was then directed to the ground by the flightcrew, or just happened to go that way due to a temporary loss of control.



User currently offlineCms151515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Dude, I'm sure the Air Force knows how to take a plane down without blowing it to smitherines. Try shooting the engines, just a guess.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

I think you are all jumping way too fast to conclusions. Why in the world do you think it was shot down? Where do you have the evidence for that? One F-15? It's hard to believe, and I think you are thinking too deeply about it (I don't believe in this conspiracy idea).


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User currently offlineSharpnfuzzy From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

It is possible that they just shot out the engines, even with their guns and not necessarily missles, as they weren't dog-fighting but probbably had a long time to line up a decent shot. But even if they did use missles, they'd probably use sidewinders which are heat seeking and would go for the engines, and possibly leave the wings fairly intact.... so it's quite possible.

User currently offlineMh772 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

Yeah, I heard that the plane's that crashed in Pittsburgh and Camp David didn't crash but in fact were shot down by F15's and F16's. They US government denied shooting any of the planes but if you look at the facts and the chronology of both planes it's just clear that they were shot from the skies.

User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

I'd like to think that it was a very brave pilot who gave his life in order to prevent the aircraft from being used as a big-ass bomb. I think he found a pretty unpopulated spot to ditch the aircraft.

User currently offlineCms151515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

...or maybe the US air force found an unpopulated spot to take it down and ditch it. Less eyewitnesses, and less deaths on the ground.

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

The 757 was a mere 15 minutes from downtown Pittsburgh. The 70 story USX building there would make a tempting target.

My guess is the reality of the situation was apparent. The 757, with an actual passenger real-time reporting that it had been commandeered, was viewed as a significant threat. The area in which it crashed was rural.

I have a feeling someone in the national command authority made a very terrible but neccessary decision and some young fighter pilot was instructed to do something that he'll never forgive himself for.

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the one".

I will be in deep thought tonight, asking that the souls of those aboard, and those in New York and Washington are now in a place far better than this.


User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Eye witnesses clearly stated that BOTH engines were running! The plane managed to put a 30 by 40 by 20 ft deep crater into the ground similar to what flight 427 of U.S. Airways did outside of PIT.
If the plane was shot down it would have broken up or would have lost power. I am sure that if it did get closer this would have happened but it has been denied and the witness accounts do not lead up to a shoot down.
I would suspect that the flight crew were heroes. Along with the people aboard that aircraft. While they all perished today was deeply heart wrenching. They had helped save many lives with these actions.

As for Boeing aircraft being used, well have any of you ever tried to get into an Airbus sim compared to a Boeing sim? Ask anybody at Flight Safety Intl. they will tell you


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

The a/c crashed in the middle of nowhere. I believe that CNN said that the a/c was 80 miles from camp david, and 80 miles from downtown Pittsburg. If they were to shoot it down, don't you think they would wait until it was fairly close to a potential target? Why do you think that the US Gov would want to cover this up if it was shot down? Don't you think that the American people would understand and support that decision knowing what kind of damage it could do?

LY744.



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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

CNN just reported that the passengers on the UA 757 decided to try to overpower the hijackers, the struggle must have been the reason for the crash.

LY744.



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

People on board the a/c made phone calls; one was a man from California who told his wife (paraphrased from reports) "We've been hijacked; we're all going to die, but three of us are going to do something about it."

Eyewitnesses said that the plane appeared to be flying in a landing-type configuration with engine noise, then nosedived into the ground.

It sounds to me like there was a struggle in the cockpit. Whether the person flying it was actually trying to land or flying low to evade radar is still not known. However, this plane is the only one that has a decent chance for recovery of the CVR and FDRs, so we might find out.

redngold



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