jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7345 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11770 times:
Quoting g500 (Thread starter): Does that affect at all Delta's relationship with Detroit?
Granted Detroit is a hub, a transit point, but when the locals can't afford to fly, why keep it as a hub?
DTW built one of the best terminals on the country for NW and DTW has 3 parallel runways. Detroit is one of Delta's most important hubs with flights to both Europe and many nonstops to Asia plus nonstop to Sao Paulo, its only less important then Atlanta in DL's world.
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11752 times:
Quoting g500 (Thread starter): Granted Detroit is a hub, a transit point, but when the locals can't afford to fly, why keep it as a hub?
Right, We're all poor here in the Tri-County area. Detroit's problems have nothing to do with the rest of the area. While we have gone through some hard times lately, the area is rebounding nicely. We're not all eating at soup kitchens here.
michman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11708 times:
You apparently have very little understanding of the region. Delta does not have a relationship with the City of Detroit. DTW is not managed or owned by the City of Detroit. It is actually located in Romulus Michigan. Wayne County managed it for a number of years, but it now has an independent board (albeit Wayne County still appoints a number of the board members). DTW's cachement includes much of southeast Michigan, plus significant parts of northwest Ohio and southwest Ontario. The populace of the cachement is on the order of 5 million+ people. Much, much larger than the City of Detroit itself and far more economically diversified and less depressed. I guess you haven't read the news that the US auto companies are making profits again. I realize the rest of the country doesn't follow the domestic auto industry as closely as we do, but this really isn't that big of a secret is it?? Yes, they are still down compared to a decade ago, but the general feeling is much, much better than 4 years ago. Housing prices have stabilized and we are seeing new housing starts in the area again.
michman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11645 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1): DTW built one of the best terminals on the country for NW and DTW has 3 parallel runways. Detroit is one of Delta's most important hubs with flights to both Europe and many nonstops to Asia plus nonstop to Sao Paulo, its only less important then Atlanta in DL's world.
DTW actually has 4 parallel runways. 4L/22R (the fourth parallel) opened in December 2001.
davescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11286 times:
DTW is not tied to the city - as noted above. DL has in fact continued to build up DTW as a hub, essentially moving the major flights that had been in CVG to DTW (LHR, FCO, CDG, etc). Also, DTW continues to remain an important take off point for Asia, which CVG never had been.
MEM had been a NW hub. But with ATL so close, MEM is barely a focus city.
CVG had existed as an overflow for ATL. Since both CVG and MEM are basically between DTW and ATL, there is no need to keep them as hubs.
tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1375 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11223 times:
Quoting g500 (Thread starter): Granted Detroit is a hub, a transit point, but when the locals can't afford to fly, why keep it as a hub?
It's a business destination(and origin) for many. Some of the largest companies in the world are headquartered in Detroit and there are a lot of auto supply companies from all over the world that have offices and facilities in the area to support them. The fairly new flights to Brazil are full of auto manufacturer employees and there are 2 flights a day to Germany with similar people on board. Not to mention the flights to Asia.
mainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2064 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11216 times:
Quoting g500 (Thread starter): Financially speaking, Detroit is a fiscal mess... Michigan's governor put Detroit under "financial emergency status". Memphis is also struggling.
Don't confuse the city of Detroit with metro Detroit, which by my understanding is huge, and probably performing just as well as any other large metropolitan area.
Just like Philadelphia, it has enough O&D to support its hub status.
tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1375 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10881 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 8): Everything I read about Detroit on the WSJ and FT.com is negative. That's why I'm asking
Yeah, Detroit gets bashed every day it seems. It's a shame. I think people like beating down the weak. Detroit's spirit is strong though. I hope something good comes of the emergency manager, the people of the city deserve better leadership. I am really hoping they throw Kwame Kilpatrick, the last crooked mayor, into jail. The jury has been out a little over a week now on racketeering, fraud, extortion and general public corruption charges that could put him away for upwards of 30 years.
The only way for the city to go is up and I hope it happens. There needs to be huge changes in attitude and with the way the city is run, it needs a complete makeover. I've spent a lot of time down there lately on my time off and it makes me really appreciate how good I really have it. To see what people live like will make your jaw drop and to see what has happened to what was such a grand city will bring tears to your eyes.
Thankfully Wayne County knows the gem they have with DTW and I think it is pretty well run and a beautiful airport to be at.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3385 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10742 times:
Anyone who's claiming that a city's financial woes don't affect a carrier that is heavily entrenched there are fooling themselves. DTW, in financial ruins, would absolutely negatively affect the outlying DTW area, as it is the areas' financial center. DTW going bankrupt could and would affect every company based there, many of whom have corporate contracts with DL and depend on its services for transportation. The biggest factor would be a decrease in O&D and premium yields, something that occurs when a city has financial woes. Let us not forget that the entire DTW metropolitan area has been decreasing in population for decades, something that can't be said of any of DL's other hubs. When an area is not growing both economically and population wise, it can spell trouble for a company doing business there.
That said, DL's DTW hub relies predominantly on connections, and in the long run will be just fine. But let's not kid ourselves that a major city like DTW, where DL maintains its 2nd largest hub, having serious money issues won't affect it.
CIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1991 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10716 times:
Quoting g500 (Thread starter): This is a question not a bashing of the city of Detroit
Financially speaking, Detroit is a fiscal mess... Michigan's governor put Detroit under "financial emergency status". Memphis is also struggling.
Does that affect at all Delta's relationship with Detroit?
Granted Detroit is a hub, a transit point, but when the locals can't afford to fly, why keep it as a hub?
Dont always believe the media, they like to be dramatic and blow things out of proportion. I always take the news with a slight grain of salt. Ive heard the Detroit region as a whole is actually not doing too bad....the auto industry is on the upswing, and also suburban Oakland County is one of the wealthiest in the nation. DTW is a good hub and will continue to be. One of the best terminals that I have transited through hands down.
MEM on the other hand is dwindling as a hub and I dont see a bright future there. Too bad as it was always a neat little hub to transit through, easy connections etc. I had hoped it would live on due to it being farther west of ATL to capture some mid south/Texas/southern midwest flows but it now appears most stuff in the south will be going through ATL. MEM just doesnt have the population base to support a hub like DTW does.
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10626 times:
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 10): Anyone who's claiming that a city's financial woes don't affect a carrier that is heavily entrenched there are fooling themselves. DTW
It's clear that you know nothing about the Metro Detroit area. The city of Detroit has not been a factor in the economic machine in Southeast Michigan for almost thirty years.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5303 posts, RR: 47 Reply 13, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10625 times:
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 10): Anyone who's claiming that a city's financial woes don't affect a carrier that is heavily entrenched there are fooling themselves.
I'm surprised at some of the responses. I don't think DL and Detroit (the city) are buddy buddy, and I don't think Detroit is a complete ruin like some people say, but I would wager that a stronger Detroit would generate more traffic at DTW (for DL and everyone else) than a weaker Detroit.
Maybe Detroit's mess/successes won't really affect DTW's connectivity, but I'm sure it has a huge impact on O&D
usflyer msp From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 1787 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10591 times:
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 10): Anyone who's claiming that a city's financial woes don't affect a carrier that is heavily entrenched there are fooling themselves.
I disagree. The city's financial issues are really not going to affect much business-wise. Did Businesses abandon NYC when it basically went bankrupt in the 70's? No. Most of the large businesses (except GM) are not located in Detroit proper anymore anyway (one of the reasons why the are having tax-base issues). Most of the suburbs are doing fine.
Memphis' problem is that it is the poorest large metro area in the country and most its feeder markets in TN, AL, MS, LA, AR, KY, MO are just as poor (if not poorer). This limits the traffic generated in the region and makes the scale and resulting cost-efficiency of the ATL hub a much more attractive option for servicing these passengers even with the backtracking.
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10553 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13): Maybe Detroit's mess/successes won't really affect DTW's connectivity, but I'm sure it has a huge impact on O&D
Again somebody else that doesn't understand the area. Detroit has a population of roughly 750,000. I would wager that fully 650,000 of that number have never been on a airplane in their lives let alone ever seen DTW. Detroit's financial woes will have Zero impact on travel here.
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3172 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10441 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Does that affect at all Delta's relationship with Detroit?
Granted Detroit is a hub, a transit point, but when the locals can't afford to fly, why keep it as a hub?
DTW built one of the best terminals on the country for NW and DTW has 3 parallel runways. Detroit is onc of Delta's most important hubs with flights to both Europe and many nonstops to Asia plus nonstop to Sao Paulo, its only less important then Atlanta in DL's world.
I don't know where you are getting your information from, but DTW is a major hub for DL, and the catchment area for DTW includes Southwestern Ontario, which is about 600,000 people. Then you have Northern Ohio (Toledo), and the sate of Michigan. Detroit has its challenges but that as pointed out above is only the city of Detroit. The area around Detroit is not as bad off as there is a large tech sector, the U of M and Michigan State, and there are other colleges that are smaller but still contribute to the DTW numbers. There are major medical facilities that do a lot of research which people from all over the world come to work at.
Then there are the direct routes to Asia, as there is a huge is a large Muslim population outside of Detroit, and the connecting flights that bring in passengers that transfer through DTW, not to mention flights to Europe.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5303 posts, RR: 47 Reply 17, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10429 times:
No I don't know much about Detroit. I think it's just common sense that "when a city does better, business and travel go up." And I'm talking about metro area. If you disagree with my premise, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
DTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 157 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10389 times:
Reality is different from what media portrays about Detroit. Granted city has its share of problems, lot has been done to improve financial condition but without dumping long term debt(mostly funding pensions), city cannot comeback. So Governor's appointment of Emergency Financial Manager, though bad for local politicians, actually good for the city. EM can renegotiate/void contracts or even recommend bankruptcy. Once debt goes away, city will be in better position that most US cities.
Metro Detroit is about 3,900 square miles with over 5 Million population. City of Detroit is 142 square miles with about 700,000.
Even with all the loss of jobs Michigan GDP (mostly private sector) is close to Virginia's GDP. Michigan has about 500,000 Technology Jobs.
One tidbit for aviation buffs, Detroit Public School District used to have their own aircraft to teach vocational courses. Don't think they have it now.
If you want to compare the bad we can definite compare with South Boston, South Chicago, South Atlanta...
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3385 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10280 times:
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 12): It's clear that you know nothing about the Metro Detroit area. The city of Detroit has not been a factor in the economic machine in Southeast Michigan for almost thirty years.
Really? I suppose being one of the only large metro areas to decline in population for multiple decades straight doesn't either?
Metropolitan Detroit's population and GDP decline over the last 20-30 years has EVERYTHING to do with local Detroit's economy.
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9856 times:
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 19): Really? I suppose being one of the only large metro areas to decline in population for multiple decades straight doesn't either?
You just keep reciting your facts and figures that you pull from the Internet and I'll just keep on living here as I have for the last 58 years ,operated my own business for the last thirty, and has lived through many economic downturns, and we'll see who is right. Bet ya it's not you.
DLDiamondboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9840 times:
Most of DL's flights to Asia originate in DTW. Believe it or not DL only has one flight per day from ATL to Asia. DL 296 747-400 service to NRT. The reason you can fly to multiple destinations in Asia from DTW is the big three US automakers. Ford, GM and Chrysler have thousands of Tooling Engineers flying to Asia to build cheap injection and die cast molds for the auto industry.
g500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 724 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9819 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17): No I don't know much about Detroit. I think it's just common sense that "when a city does better, business and travel go up."
Again that's why I started this thread. I'm thinking the same as DeltaMD90.
When a Governor says "the city of Detroit CANNOT manage itself" you really don't expect many people to be able to fly.
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9727 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 22): When a Governor says "the city of Detroit CANNOT manage itself" you really don't expect many people to be able to fly.
Again I'll state,the majority of the citizens of Detroit do not fly. The upper and middle class Blacks moved from the city long ago to places such as Southfield and West Bloomfield. There recently has been an influx of young professionals moving into the downtown area so much so that there is a housing shortage downtown.But again we're only talking around 8000 people. If you have an area that didn't contribute to the number of flying public before an EFM,that same group won't contribute after an EFM
alfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 79 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9623 times:
Your original question is valid, but the assumptions you make are not. The strength of an airline's operation has very little to do with the management of the nearest city. Detroit is not a vibrant as it was 50 years ago, but its air traffic is much, much stronger.
To a certain extent, Detroit's problems reflect what is happening across the country: there is a widining gap between the "rich" and the "poor". Increasing poverty - often a result of losses in middle-class (usually manufacturing) jobs, makes a city look like it is going bankrupt - but those workers weren't flying much anyway. The engineers, managers, and executives are the ticket-buyers, and they are doing very well, thank you very much.
In Detroit, this is most evident in O&D traffic. Detroit is also a very valuable as a hub, and a great distribution poing for passengers flying from the east coast to Asia and, increasingly, from the midwest (and even west) to Europe - taking some strain off (slot-restricted) JFK. The new terminals were built to handle this traffic, and they do it very, very well.
25 tb727: It is valid. Luckily the bozos that have been running the city didn't get their hands on the airport. Most people connect through DTW, I don't think
26 SESGDL: Gosh those darn facts and statistics polluting bias and unsubstantiated claims... No one said DTW is finished or anything of the sort. But the econom
27 Capt.Fantastic: You're premise is flawed because you do not understand the relationship between the City of Detroit and Wayne County Metropolitan Airport / DTW: Allo
28 DeltaMD90: If Detroit and the surrounding area did better, do you think more people would fly? I already said I know the city and airport aren't co-managed. I s
29 jfklganyc: Dude, Detriot has been in rapid decline since the race riots in the 60s. Anybody that could move out, moved out. I don't think it is any worse today
30 dtw9: Wrong again. You just don't seem to want to understand that the citizens of Detroit don't contribute much at all to the O & D traffic numbers in
31 SESGDL: Have you looked at O&D statistics over the last 20 years? DTW O&D has, for the most part, been stagnant and even declined relative to other m
32 brilondon: I agree with the above statements. DTW is one of the newest airports in the US. The closest city BTW is Romulus, which is another city I did not ment
33 dtw9: Have you bothered to look at the population of the state in the last twenty years. Were we not the state that took the biggest hit in this latest dep
34 DTWPurserBoy: Having been based in DTW for nearly 25 years I can honestly say it has it's issues. Don't confuse the City of Detroit with DTW (which is in Romulus).
35 luv2fly: London and Paris were already flown from DTW by NW before the DL merger.
36 DTW2HYD: In August 2009 Michigan had 14.2% unemployment, now it is down to 8.9%. There is no other state bounced back so rapidly.
37 LAXdude1023: I dont really have a dog in this fight, but I had to have a laugh at some of the (what seems like) naivety and blindness about the DTW market. Are we
38 CompensateMe: LOL. You have no idea what you're talking about. DTW is not owned by the city, nor is Detroit the epicenter of economic activity for the region. Few
39 dtw9: Most likely, No. The dynamics of this state are different from any I've visited. From Monday thru Friday people working in the manufacturing sector w
40 NASCARAirforce: Well I don't want to beat a dead horse. The only factor that Detroit has in DTW is its name. Detroit does not run DTW, but the Wayne County Airport A
41 g500: Those are all Delta routes. Can you name 3 international airlines that fly to Detroit that are not Skyteam members???
42 dtw9: Easy. Lufthansa,Air Canada and Royal Jordanian
43 CompensateMe: Yes. Air Canada, Royal Jordanian and Lufthansa. Not that it makes a difference, really. Surprisingly, DTW is one of the few cities that could support
44 dtw9: Jeremy I don't live on personal biases,I live on fact, But because you like to live on articles you read on the Internet slamming the Detroit area ins
45 LAXdude1023: Yes, but they are there for a reason. Think about it, if those routes existed for the sole purpose of connections, wouldn't it make more sense to use
46 CompensateMe: Very little of what he wrote was factual, and mostly a derivative of his opinions. Plenty of disdain toward DTW exists among many posters living in O
47 MarcoPoloWorld: Here's a bigger question: Why did the former NW establish a split hub operation in DTW / MSP rather than going with ORD? Was it because - with AA and
48 PSU.DTW.SCE: Excellent synposis. It's a Sunday night, and I just made the usual Sunday night commute down I-75 from Northern Michigan. I had a great weekend skiin
49 PSU.DTW.SCE: DTW was an RC hub MSP was a NW hub. The 1984 merger is what gave them both DTW & MSP
50 CompensateMe: Because NW was a legacy regulation international carrier serving Asia from an MSP gateway. After UA purchased PA's Pacific route network, it became i
51 luckyone: You keep saying that. The facts are a bit different. Here are Census Data for the Detroit Metropolitan Area 1950 3,016,197 — 1960 3,762,360 24.7% 1
52 CompensateMe: The region actually grew in population until the late 2000s, when the feces hit the fan in the local auto industry. It's believed population losses e
53 SESGDL: That's a stagnant population. Compare those figures to other metropolitan areas and you'll see a stark contrast. Not entirely true. Here's a list of
54 dtw9: It did. The population for the state turned the corner last year and is inching up slowly again. I beleive the net gain was 6000. You got that right.
55 akelley728: It's not about the City, but the metropolitan area as a whole. Look at Newark. It's a successful hub for United because it's in the New York City metr
56 CompensateMe: I thought you would've matured beyond the point of making false assertions than dancing around your original point. Appearently not. You claimed Metr
57 IPFreely: Your statistics are great. In addition you should bring up how many Detroit residents haul their junk into American Jewelry and Loan, try to sell it
58 ocracoke: I don't have DTW in my user name (my user name says N. Carolina), and I'm not from DTW, nor Michigan, nor Ohio. In fact, I'm from the Virginia/North
59 ouboy79: I don't have a horse in this race, but if the pro-DTW comments are being tainted from what is being stated here...and the comments to the contrary be
60 NASCARAirforce: Actually a lot of them travel also to places like MCO and other points in Florida and LAS - so its wrong to say Blue Colar workers do not fly out of
61 PSU.DTW.SCE: No one is debating this. Metro Detroit experienced huge growth up through the 1960s/early 70's. Since then it has been relatively stagant as a mature
62 ryanrap1: Which carrier has the lowest load factors into/out of Detroit?
63 DTW2HYD: That should make it obvious we are proud of our identity. Michigan has surplus budget, with the exception of 3-4 cities rest of Michigan cities are d
64 CompensateMe: The regional population began shrinking in 2007, although some estimates have adjusted this to 2006. Since the late 1990s, the Tri County area has ex
65 GSPSPOT: What about MEM then? Is there ANY hope for MEM as a continuing DL hub?
66 tb727: I highly doubt it. I don't think it is even a pilot base anymore.
67 michman: No one is debating that a stronger Detroit would generate more traffic at DTW. Clearly there are negative effects both short term and long term due t
68 Sligo: Yes... Among the the three e/w hub options for DL; DTW, CVG and, arguably a e/w option in MEM....DTW was the clear winner as it offered the unique ca
69 flyguy89: I don't have a dog in this race either, but I've been to the Detroit area many times and I know metro Detroit is not the same as Detroit proper. That
70 PSU.DTW.SCE: Agreed. That argument holds true everywhere. The one that everyone is trying to make is that as it is here in 2013, the current state of finances of
71 NASCARAirforce: When you think about it - some autoworkers, that didn't get laid off the past few years are making $30 + an hour, that is over $60K a year and more t
72 exFWAOONW: I find it interesting the number of posts that act like the City of Detroit is the only entity generating passengers. Just because the municiple city
73 PSU.DTW.SCE: Autoworkers making $60-80K a year are not buying any significant number of tickets in J at $5K-$11K. Nevermind that actual number of union autoworker
74 dtw9: Let me add a little here. My Mother-in-Law and my wife's Uncle were both blue collar autoworkers. My mother-in-law worked at Fisher body in Livonia a
75 DeltaMD90: Ok so maybe less percentage of people in would fly, but some would, so again, a booming Detroit would lead to more air travel... not everyone in Detr
76 PSU.DTW.SCE: A booming City of Detroit, or a booming Southeastern Michigan would help in either case. Much like our local governments in Southeastern Michigan, peo
77 CompensateMe: I grew up in Northern Oakland County. There was a huge building boom here in the 1990s and into the 2000s, with dozens of schools opening in school d
78 CompensateMe: That's true of anywhere. A booming [insert city here] will lead to an increase in air travel, no doubt. But the degree will vary from city to city. I
79 flyguy89: Sure, I don't think anyone's arguing that vacation patterns aren't unique to different areas, but the bone of contention was that dtw9 was arguing th
80 CompensateMe: He's making the same assertion that I am, although he's not communicating it as clearly. Michigan has long lead the nation in per capita intrastate t
81 flyguy89: He quite clearly stated that he didn't think a booming local economy would increase O&D demand out of DTW: The assertion there is pretty clear, w
82 dtw9: And I still say it won't. Lets look at this another way. The national average is 1 in every 6 Americans fly on a regular basis. meaning one or more t
83 flyguy89: I don't know that you can really argue with basic economic principles. Even while people in Southeast Michigan may prefer to stay in-state, if you ha
84 SESGDL: Thanks for further proving what I've been trying to say, that all of the "Detroit's economy has no impact on air travel at DTW" is deeply rooted in D
85 PSU.DTW.SCE: How did this thread turn into one giant fight?? Amazing.
86 PSU.DTW.SCE: I think people are getting thrown off my the matter of timing and perspective. Yes, if Detroit were more prosperous there would be more demand for ai
87 jfklganyc: "In 2010, the city had a population of 713,777 and ranked as the 18th most populous city in the United States. This, however, is more than a 50% drop
88 PSU.DTW.SCE: No one is denying this. Everyone knows this is the case and its not coming back. We life with the fact that the vast majority of the core city in the
89 CompensateMe: Is this your version of the Checkers Speech? Over the years, you've rarely relinquished an opportunity to bash DTW, either directly or indirectly, sk
90 CompensateMe: Agreed, Detroit has not been the epicenter of the local economy in our lifetimes. As much as I resent the Emergency Financial Manager law (and its pr
91 dtw9: I'm well aware of what leads to population growth. I'm also aware that disposable income is down across the country,that zero unemployment is unattai
92 sonic67: Sorry wrong post... I have removed the photo.[Edited 2013-03-04 21:31:47]
93 flyguy89: Ok...not trying to belabor the subject, but since it was the topic at hand for discussion, I don't see what any of that has to do with the assertion
94 dtw9: I don't understand whats so hard for you to comprehend here. Just because more people may be working, that doesn't always equate into higher amounts
95 flyguy89: As opposed to not having a job at all and living on unemployment? There definitely would be an increase in discretionary spending, not to mention peo
96 brilondon: It only showed the inefficientcy of the way the "Big three" did business and how bad their products were being built. Urban economists have suggested
97 DTWPurserBoy: Actually, the City Center revolves around Greektown, a great place for restaurants, small bars and a vibrant life. The monorail runs in a big circle
98 Cubsrule: The saying that "all politics is local" applies to O&D demand too, as there are often subtle societal norms that drive demand for leisure flights
99 dtw9: You live in a fantasy world that isn't there anymore. Just what do you think fueled the runaway discretionary spending from the mid-1990's to the mid
100 compensateme: You and I actually agree on something -- this may be a first! This is similar to the point I was trying to express earlier ... most communities and/o
101 Cubsrule: As between driving down I-75 and driving down I-95, I know which one I'd pick. True but my point--with which I think you also agree--is that sometime
102 flyguy89: That's all great but it's irrelevant to my point. It's hardly a fantasy world when thriving economies with low unemployment and rising incomes are ev
103 DTW2HYD: This can be classified as worst case of selective sampling or political world fuzzy math. Camden, NJ has 18.5% unemployment rate, what impact that ha
104 PSU.DTW.SCE: I'd be led to believe the actual unemployment rate in the City of Detroit is more than 30% You could selectively sample too and say the unemployment r
105 flyguy89: I don't really care, I'm not trying to say that it's having a major impact on DTW, my point was that if the Detroit economy were doing better, DTW wo
106 point2point: This is really an easy economic premise. If an area does well, it most likely will have more disposable income. And more disposable income can mean m
107 DTW2HYD: Again a wild guess. Just because it is one of the richest cities in USA, doesn't mean it has lowest unemployment. With mostly million+ dollar homes,
108 FreshSide3: There are a lot of people in Detroit that go to Liberia and other African countries, and you need to connect somewhere in Europe to get there. Similar
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I'm surprised at some of the responses. I don't think DL and Detroit (the city) are buddy buddy, and I don't think Detroit is a complete ruin like some people say, but I would wager that a stronger Detroit would generate more traffic at DTW (for DL and everyone else) than a weaker Detroit.
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