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Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere  
User currently offlineNwafirstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

why would it go down in the middle of nowhere you ask, well...this could be a solution..

my view is quite obvious...the pilot knew about all the crap going on at the time, knew there were terrorists somehow, knew it was going to go somewhere important, probably whitehouse or chicago or LA, so he delibretly crashed it himself so it wouldn't do further damage to the nation.


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User currently offlineFedExA300lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

If that's what happend w/ that one...all the people on that plane...but especially that pilot are hero's in my book...i'm sure if the other pilots had a chance they would have done the same.

User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

It sounds like a good theory. The news says they can retrive the voice recorder form this which should give them some insight as to what happened and who was doing it.

A new report stated that a passenger used a cell phone to call and report that the terrorist were stabbing the passengers to death before the crash. It seems incredible that any human being could do such a thing, but then who thought any human being could do what occured today!


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

If pilot knew that the plane was being directed to a city centre, the transponder must have been set on 'hijack' mode. So far, there has been no report of such. Thus, I can only imagine that US Air Force jets shot it down before it reached any sizeable population areas. Just my 2c.

User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

the transponders where turned off

User currently offlineFedExA300lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

what if the pilot never had a chance to do anything w/ the transponder?...and if the hijacker(s) were going after the captain...the c.p. was probably trying to save his captain...so i think the transponder was the last thing on their minds

User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Personally, I don't think any sane pilot would deliberately crash an airplane.

User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Reports are that, according to some cell phone calls from pax on the doomed flights, all crew, including pilots were herded to the back of the plane (ie, they were not at the controls).

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

I agree, that pilot might have been a hero

User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

The news in PHL reported that this UA flight from EWR left EWR flew west over Lake ?? and tehn did a U turn back towards the east. An indication of ???

User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

My theory:

The passengers and flight crew attempted to retake control of the aircraft. If that's the case, these people are true heros. They saved the lives of countless others in their efforts.


User currently offlineSuper Em From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

I think if the pilots of the planes in New York were at the controls, the would of probably attempted to crash it in the river.

User currently offlineIwantanl1011 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

"dont think any sane pilot would deliberately crash an airplane"--- I think given the choice of crashing into the ground or crashing into a place full of innocent people, any SANE pilot would chose the groundh

User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

CNN showed the path of the aircraft. Their data was retrieved from flightexplorer.com.

They showed the aircraft flew toward CLE before looping back around. It went right over PIT before going down.

Johnstown/Somerset county isn't really in the middle of nowhere. However, it does have its share of farms. It's VERY close to State College, home of Penn State University.

If this aircraft flew over PIT, it could have hit the USX tower--home of US Steel, One Mellon Bank Center--home of one of the largest financial institutions in the US, One PNC Place--home of one of the largest financial institutions in the US. It's kind of scary.


User currently offlineLsjef From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

I lose so much faith in our educational system...nah, but really...

...unless the hijackers politely explained their plans, the captain did not know what was going on. All he/she would know was that fanatics were hijacking the plane. Based on the captain's knowledge of past hijackings, he/she would expect a diversion, a demand for money, or a demand for a release of prisoners. Only under the strangest of circumstances would the captain know the details of the WTC disaster.

The idea that a captain would try to crash into the river to save the WTC is also absurd. Yes, if the captain was given only those two choices, he/she would opt for the river. But, really, when faced with a hijacking, a captain's first concern is simply to get the ship down and the hostages freed; if a captain retains control of the flight, he/she will attempt a landing or a survivable crash. Details thus far released on the PA crash indicate the aircraft dove into the ground in one piece...indicative of an uncontrolled descent, not a heroic attempt to land in rural PA.


User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

While these things were happening today this theory popped up in my mind:

Maybe they hijacked more planes than they thought would be needed, just in case. Then after somehow learning that the other three planes had carried out the intended actions, they decide that their existence doesn't matter anymore and therefore take the plane down where they were at the moment.

On the other hand, if that was the case, one would think that they would rather have tried to crash into something while they were at it.



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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

My theory is that before the pilots were incapacitated, and somehow disabled (fuel dump? can a 757 do one?) the aircraft.




User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2514 times:



Perhaps the terrorists fumbled with the controls, or there was a struggle in the cockpit that accidentally set some switches in the wrong positions. Since the terrorists weren't pro pilots, they might not have been able to recover the a/c after that with the pilots dead.



User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

How do you know the pilots wern't "pro pilots". Reports of possible suspects show that they were professional pilots.

User currently offlineKlmfan From Austria, joined Jun 2001, 445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

I don't think that the pilot deliberately crashed his ac near Pittsburgh. IMO he was trying to make an emergency landing. Maybe the terrorists forced him to crash into another official building and he refused by trying to land the plane. There could have also been a struggle over the controls. Numerous other things could have happened.
I think there will be some light on that matter when the blackbox and the CVR have been found and analysed.

In the meantime please let's stop speculating - it's so terrible.  Sad


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

i think the pilot didnt follow the actions and downed the plane.

its not specualtion as such, just trying to work put why the plane came down in the middle of nowhere or was it shot down?



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User currently offlineSUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Well my guess, and I can onnly guess, is that that plane was a backup incase one of the other 3 wouldn't make it. And just crash it if they didn't need to go to any of the other 3:s destination.
But...it's all written in the stars.



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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1514 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

It is a pilots obligation to save people on the aircraft, but if this is out of his/her control, then his/her obligation is to save people on the ground. I think that it is quite possible that the pilot downed the plane. Maybe we can get information from the Voice Recorders on the plane.


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User currently offlineHmflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

According to the Flightexplorer, the flight was reprogrammed to go to DCA. This means that ATC, and thus the government knew about it. Knowing what happened to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, there are many strong rumors that UA 93 was shot down. It seems viable to me.

User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

The flight recorders should have survived this crash. We should know soon what was going on.

There's no telling what actually happened.
Base on what I know, which isn't a great deal right now, I doubt that the plane was shot down as the wreckage would have been in a much larger area. But I guess anything's possible.



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25 B737-700 : I think the US Air Force shot the plane down on purpose. That would just make sense. They rather have some 80-150 people die than a couple of thousan
26 LN-MOW : Educated guess: The pilots kept the door closed. They complied to changing direction to go towards IAD. The hijackers started killing people to get th
27 Zbeeblebrox74 : I am a little concerned about the viability of the flight data recorder (s). So far, from media reports (which I realize need to be taken with a grain
28 Tan flyr : According to reports on MSNBC this Am, (9/12), A phone call from a Pax to his wife indicated they were going to overpower the hijackers as they knew t
29 KROC : Not for nothing, but a little kid can bash through a locked cockpit door.
30 Bruce : I dont think the AF shot it down. PIT was too far away from D.C. to say for sure that it was targeting any building. My best guess is a struggle in th
31 Redngold : Reports now say several pax on the plane attempted to overpower the hijackers. An eyewitness says the plane looked like it was coming in for a landing
32 N202PA : As I posted on another thread, CBS NEWS is now reporting that the phone call from a passenger to his mother included a description of other passengers
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