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Mainline Sevice Returns To CRW  
User currently offlineMainRunway From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 179 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7727 times:

Delta A319 Mainline service to ATL returns to CRW for the first time since US Air DC9 service to PIT ended just after 9/11/2001.

SEE PHOTO LINK BELOW....

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...10151359098308090_2035826663_n.jpg

[Edited 2013-03-03 20:24:00]

[Edited 2013-03-03 20:30:42]

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User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7593 times:

Never mind Spirit and AirTran.....



Their page on facebook is going nuts over an A319 coming in there.



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User currently offlineMainRunway From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7571 times:

I should have said first mainline service from a legacy carrier. Spirit and Airtran are considered low-cost carriers by most.

User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 539 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7572 times:

Aww, the reaction on FB is so cute!  


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3338 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7441 times:
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Good for them. And for a little airport like that, let them have such a reaction. :p And look how much they advertised NK's MYR flights on there too! But seriously, those are some excellent shots they have on the fb page of the NK and DL aircraft. The snow makes for such an amazing shot.


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User currently offlineavi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6580 times:
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Trust me, in CRW, something like this will make the front page of the paper and the top story of the evening news... probably for the entire first week of it being in service!


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6455 times:

Quoting futureualpilot (Reply 1):

Never mind Spirit and AirTran.....



Their page on facebook is going nuts over an A319 coming in there.

AirTran is gone and Spirit flies twice a week to MYR. This is the first time CRW has had daily mainline service since 9/11, and the first mainline on a legacy carrier since 9/11. It's also the return of first class service to the market ( nobody start a conversation about how nobody pays for it, not interested ) So ... It's a BIG deal. I live here and I'm pretty damn excited myself.

Airports SHOULD get excited about new service and market the hell out of it if they want to keep it. I'm sure that if any other carriers add any service, you'll see more of what you call "going nuts".


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Glad to see that. I know how happy I was when DL brought mainline back to GSP a few months before WN came to town (and they're still doing it)!


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3338 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6091 times:
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Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 7):

And isn't DL mostly mainline nowadays at GSP? Impressive how DL is able to run the amount of metal they do to smaller cities like that. Take CHS, for instance, is 11 daily ATL flights that are ALL mainline!!!!



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1569 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Good for CRW!

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 8):
Take CHS, for instance, is 11 daily ATL flights that are ALL mainline!!!!

Charleston is a surprisingly large market, and ATL's a great place to connect from there. DL's got a winning combo there.



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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 9):
Charleston is a surprisingly large market, and ATL's a great place to connect from there. DL's got a winning combo there.

There is a great deal to be said for being the 1000 gorilla at an airport. So long as DL has good connections, they could make it a profitable route.

For medialllions, it is a city that probably will have better upgrade chances.

Also, it is another CRJ we don't have to be on.

Dave



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Quoting MainRunway (Reply 2):
I should have said first mainline service from a legacy carrier. Spirit and Airtran are considered low-cost carriers by most.

Whats the difference? Only difference I can see is AirTran gives me a bag of pretzels and United gives me nothing.



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1569 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 10):
There is a great deal to be said for being the 1000 gorilla at an airport. So long as DL has good connections, they could make it a profitable route.

True, although IIRC US was quite strong there for a time. CHS does have a lot of port-related/military/tourist traffic though.



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User currently offlinetwincessna340a From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5343 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 9):
Charleston is a surprisingly large market, and ATL's a great place to connect from there. DL's got a winning combo there.
Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 12):
CHS does have a lot of port-related/military/tourist traffic though.

Same story at SAV. They were mostly 757s too, but that was before 2008.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 12):
True, although IIRC US was quite strong there for a time. CHS does have a lot of port-related/military/tourist traffic though.

Different Charleston--that would be Charleston, SC.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3338 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5245 times:
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Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 14):

That's the Charleston we're talking about. It gets confusing with two Charlestons.



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

D'oh! Sorry--my mistake.

User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

Only the continuation of Delta's latest trend of restoring mainline service to cities that lost it or introducing it to cities that never had it since the start of service.

For CRW this seems to be a big deal. They should celebrate the added capacity. It makes the airport look that much more attractive to carriers looking to expand or start service in general.



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 17):
For CRW this seems to be a big deal. They should celebrate the added capacity. It makes the airport look that much more attractive to carriers looking to expand or start service in general.

Throwing a big airplane at a market doesn't mean that the market can sustain it---even at 1x daily.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 18):
Throwing a big airplane at a market doesn't mean that the market can sustain it---even at 1x daily.

Well then I guess we'll have to see. The flight is RON last flight in/first flight out. I think it has potential due to that. Potential for the higher loads exists IMO since they have a wide open schedule of connections in ATL for the day. Plus on the inbound to CRW there are more connections to feed the flight since it's the last flight of the evening.



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 18):
Throwing a big airplane at a market doesn't mean that the market can sustain it---even at 1x daily.

Unless it's replacing two 50-seat RJs, which may be the case.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11969 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

This is going to become more and more common - not just with Delta, but with AA and United, too.

Given the cost of fuel and the deteriorating economics of small jets, plenty of cities are going to see the return, restoration or expansion of at least some mainline service.

Plenty of cities are also likely to see the return, restoration or expansion of at least some turboprop service, as well. And, there are going to continue to be small markets that are inevitably going to lose all commercial air service altogether.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 20):
Unless it's replacing two 50-seat RJs, which may be the case.

In CRW, this is exactly what happened.

DL went from 5x CRJ to 3x CRJ + 1x A319
They collapsed the 6am CRJ & 7am CRJ to ATL into a single 7am A319 departure

In the evening, they combined the 6pm CRJ & 8pm CRJ into a single 7pm A319 departure.


User currently offlineTW870 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3551 times:
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Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 19):
The flight is RON last flight in/first flight out.

Anyone know how Delta crews these trips? I flew for United (as a FA), and we rarely worked last flight in first flight out trips - both because of contractual minimum layover requirements and because United rarely left ORD or DEN RONs on the ground for more than about 6 hours. This one sounds like it might be a bit longer on the ground and allow Delta to squeeze in a minimum layover. But I see them do last-in-first out at a lot of their stations. Do they do "stand ups" where the late night trips are one duty day, or is the layover long enough to separate the duty day?


User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

I know Delta also added 319 service to BMI yesterday as the RON aircraft to ATL as well. Is this something Delta is shifting towards with a lot of the smaller regional airports around the midwest and east/southeast? I'm also assuming service to these smaller airports will be seasonal, and come the fall they'll be back to CRJs.

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25 Cubsrule : Sounds like 10 1/2 or 11 hours of ground time, and keep in mind that it's no more than a 10 minute drive from the airport to just about any of the de
26 Kcrwflyer : Current arrival is 8:30p with a 7am departure. And yes, downtown is 10 minutes in a traffic jam. They left the mainline flights at AVL and TRI.. ROA
27 Post contains images mesaflyguy : Same witth MYR. In the summer. ATL-MYR is 4x CRJ and 2x MD88, one on the RON and one arriving around 11am and leaving at noon. In the fall, we usuall
28 Goldenshield : Which doesn't mean much, either. You can replace 10 turboprops with 2 737s, but that doesn't mean that anyone's going to want to deal with such a red
29 AVLAirlineFreq : But that's an extreme example that's a red herring. Taking the last two RJ flights of the day and the first two departures in the morning and combini
30 Cubsrule : Moreover, with regard to CRW specifically, anyone who is picking a carrier based on who has the most frequency period is probably already flying US r
31 Goldenshield : There's too many variables there to accurately take into account all the direct and indirect costs involved with adding this larger aircraft. Think o
32 Cubsrule : I bet the staffing level doesn't change a bit. DL staffs ticket counters and gates with a single agent all the time, and two rampers can service a 31
33 PSU.DTW.SCE : DL is adding mainline back to RONs for the terminator flights out of ATL and launch flights back to ATL to add more capacity during peak times when pe
34 Goldenshield : It took 2 at HP. And that was just the guys in the bins. I've loaded and unloaded entire planes by myself with one other doing the running, and it wa
35 flyinryan99 : And I'm sure the airports they are adding mainline back into are willing to bend over backwards to pick up some costs on getting these planes in ther
36 JBAirwaysFan : I was thinking the same thing. More seats on the aircraft means more stand-bys can be cleared if they don't fill it from actual bookings.
37 MainRunway : Think there is any chance that Delta begins mainline service from CRW-DTW ?
38 Kcrwflyer : zero percent chance.
39 MainRunway : JUST ANNOUNCED: CRW ADDS DFW SERVICE... CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Starting this June, Yeager Airport will offer nonstop daily service between Charleston an
40 Cubsrule : Isn't this pretty similar to the timing of the UA IAH flight? IIRC, it's also a turn in the late afternoon/early evening.
41 Kcrwflyer : IAH is about an hour later.
42 MainRunway : looks like the DFW flights will be on a CRJ 200.
43 davescj : There's a reason to choose DL. Who wants to be on a CRJ? Dave
44 Kcrwflyer : Any CRJ pilots out there want to look at the performance specs on that? If UA takes a penalty to IAH on an E45X then I don't imagine AA will have muc
45 Post contains images Sulley : Wow, a great week for CRW. This is the biggest news in Charleston since shoes were first introduced to West Virginia a few years ago
46 mesaflyguy : I doubt UA takes a penalty on the route, as they also fly E45X'sfrom IAD to IAH without a penalty. According to Great Circle Mapper, IAH-CRW is 975 m
47 Post contains images fun2fly : Not sure what you mean, they are always so clean and comfortable... from my experience on the 9PM DL arrival from ATL, the wait times for a 50 seater
48 mesaflyguy : Sorry for my unknowledge, but what do you mean by wait times? You mean the wait to get off the plane once at the gate?
49 Sulley : It's not the plane; it's CRW. UA often holds seats on the outbound CRW-IAH. IAH-CRW isn't a problem. I've had a few nail-biting moments when nonrevin
50 Kcrwflyer : What are shoes? The runway is 6,800ft and the airports about 1,000ft. elevation... oh and there's a hill at both ends of the runway. What are you wai
51 mesaflyguy : right, thought they were referring to stage length
52 PSU.DTW.SCE : At least on a mainline they won't have to first pull all the gate check/valet/pink tag bags, then bring them to the jetbridge or whatever they use in
53 fun2fly : Baggage...sorry. You can hit the restroom, get your car, warm your car, and still have time to make a quick phone call before DL gets the bags there.
54 MainRunway : CRW has always had a bad rep for how slowly your bags get to baggage claim.
55 Cubsrule : It depends on the carrier. In my experience, DL and UA can both be slow, but it's not uncommon to see US bags on the belt by the time I pick up a gat
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