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Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?  
User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2168 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

Which still existing airlines (i.e. not Pan Am, TWA, Braniff, Varig...) were the last ones to retire the 747-100, -200 and -300s from scheduled passenger service (i.e. not cargo and not as some backup)?

I remember Lufthansa flying -200s until something like 2001/2002, Air France had some -300s up until 2005 I think, Qantas also until 2006?

What about others like British Airways? United? MEA? Cathay? Thai (quite late as well I think with their -300s!)? KLM? Air India (again another late operator of the -300 I believe)? South African? Egyptair? Iberia? Alitalia? SAS? JAL? Air China? Air New Zealand?

Thanks for any information!

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User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 538 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8171 times:

Well all of the three classics can still be flown in Iran. Iran Air operates the -100B along the -200BM, and Mahan still has two -300M live, although difficult to catch.

Outisde Iran, you can still fly the TransAero -300 and -300SR from BKK to some central Russian cities, however last time I checked these are coming off scheduled services within March 2013.

I last flew a -200 and -300 with TransAero in Feburary 2011, also to and from BKK.

Now, I didn't directly answer your question, but I hope this still adds something to the discussion.

Regards,
Loran

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7984 times:

Iran Air is the last scheduled carrier for 747-100, -SP and -200, Mahan Air one of the last two for the 747-300. All in Iran as you can see, and with an obvious reason.

Last scheduled carrier for the -100 outside Iran was Saudi Arabian who retired them around 2010. Last scheduled carrier outside Iran for the -200 was Transaero, until 2011 or even 2012. Outside Iran the last scheduled classic carrier for the -300 is PIA.

All without guarantee, there´s still Air Baltic trying a start-up with a 742 since 10 years or so 


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7955 times:

Quoting mozart (Thread starter):
Air India (again another late operator of the -300 I believe)?

I think AI retired all their 200s and 300s roughly around 2006.....not sure of the exact year.....


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7866 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 3):
I think AI retired all their 200s and 300s roughly around 2006.....not sure of the exact year.....

Only roughly. AI retired the last -200s in 2005, the two 743s at the beginning of 2009.


User currently offlineshuttle9juliet From UK - Scotland, joined Jul 2010, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

BA retired the 100s in 99' and the 200s soldiered on until the aftermath of 9/11 and stood down in 2002.
The 200s were in very good condition with the youngest being only 15 years old when retired.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

Quoting na (Reply 4):
Quoting gr8circle (Reply 3):I think AI retired all their 200s and 300s roughly around 2006.....not sure of the exact year.....
Only roughly. AI retired the last -200s in 2005, the two 743s at the beginning of 2009.

Ah thanks......yes, the 200s were quite old by 2005, the last one having been received in 1980.....but the two 300s were received in 1989 I think, so they were just 20 years old when they were retired.....


User currently offlineb2319 From China, joined Jan 2013, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Quoting mozart (Thread starter):
Qantas also until 2006?

I flew VH-EBY, a -300, as late as November 19th, 2007.

Hope this helps!

B-2319


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13018 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7424 times:
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Quoting gr8circle (Reply 6):
the two 300s were received in 1989

The -300s seemed to have a short life. Not enough improvement to sustain operations once the -200s aged out.

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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7416 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
The -300s seemed to have a short life. Not enough improvement to sustain operations once the -200s aged out.

But AI had only 2 of the 747-300s.....as long as the 200s were around, the combined fleet of 200s and 300s was reasonably large, but once the 200s were gone, I guess it didn't make sense to just operate two 300's....and they were both combis.....


User currently offlinehoons90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3011 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7327 times:
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Strictly speaking PAX models here...

JAL retired their last -100 in 2006, -200 in 2007 and -300 in 2009.

Korean retired their last -200 in 1998, -300 in 2005.



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4320 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Orient Thai used 747 classics (lastly a 100B and 300) on daily scheduled flights between BKK and HKG til around mid 2011. They still have Classics but now mainly charter/hadj, MD-80s, 733s and 767s are now seen on their BKK-HKG route.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6743 times:

TAAG was stilly flying the 743 until 2010.


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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6718 times:

Orient Thai were flying daily into HKG with 743's HS-UTV and UTW during my visit there last month just after Chinese New Year Day.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6697 times:

NW ended passenger 747-200 service in September 2007

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

PIA phased out their last 747-200 a Combi in 2011.

Saudia last 747-300 in 2012.

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Outside Iran the last scheduled classic carrier for the -300 is PIA.

Transaero still have two active.


User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

Air New Zealand sold their classic 200's to Virgin Atlantic last scheduled flight around 1998-1999


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User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

JL had their 743's til '09...they did the HNL runs all the time.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

Quoting mozart (Thread starter):
What about others like British Airways?


BA 741 G-AWNP was retired by BA on 31 October 1999 after arriving at LHR on a flight from YUL. After storage at ROS it was sold to Kabo Air and registered 5N-OOO. Kabo primarily used it for Hadj flights. It was reported in service at ALG on 24 April 2004. This is the last reported sighting of a former BA 741 operating a passenger flight.

G-AWNP was one of five aircraft that arrived at LHR on the last day of the airline's 741 operations, 31 October 1999. The last of the five to arrive was G-AWNO (from YYZ) . It was preceded by G-AWNM (from ORD), then G-AWNP. Later that morning G-BBPU (from JFK) arrived just before G-AWNO.

The last BA flight operated by a 742 was flown by G-BDXO. It arrived at LHR from BOM on 8 October 2001. As many as ten BA 742s were retired between 29 September and 8 October 2001 in response to the 9/11 atrocity (although I believe they were all scheduled for retirement in the short term). In addtion to 'XO they were G-BDXB (2 October), 'XC (30 September), 'XE (29 September), 'XG (1 October), 'XH (1 October), 'XJ (6 October), 'XK (1 October), 'XL (4 October) and 'XN (1 October).

Several of BA's 742s were sold to European Air Charter and used for passenger flights. A couple went to Air Atlanta Icelandic but I think that they were used as freighters. Most were permanently retired before the end of 2005.


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

I was on a JAL flight NRT-MNL, about five years ago, which used a "Classic"......

User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5391 times:
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I think Hellenic Imperial Airways in Greece still operates former LH B747-200Bs


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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

Quoting chieft (Reply 20):
I think Hellenic Imperial Airways in Greece still operates former LH B747-200Bs

They have some 747s but are not using them.


User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5376 times:
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Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 21):
They have some 747s but are not using them.

I was not sure if they still fly to New York. But obviously they don't.



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5292 times:

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Quoting chieft (Reply 22):
I was not sure if they still fly to New York. But obviously they don't.

It's been, I think, two years since they flew the route. And they still have not gotten replacement equipment from Airbus, like they said they were going to do.


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1060 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 21):
They have some 747s but are not using them.

Too bad. I think they'll be flying in Iran for some time given the sanctions and the relatively low cycle numbers on the airframes, provided they can get or manufacture parts.

I don't think most people know but both VC-25s for the President are 747 model 200Bs. If you look closely, the engine cowlings look a bit dated compared to other models. Most people incorrectly believe the president is in 747-400 model but that's actually not the case. They are late model builds though I don't know what kind of cycles and hours they have. The 747 400 were actually available at the time but I think for some reason the USAF preferred the older model. They generally do not like "cutting edge" technology for non-combat frames.


User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

AR operated its -200s until roughly 8 years ago, perhaps less.

LVTMB


User currently offlinebabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

Have Saudia or PIA still got any of there 743 aircraft still flying

[Edited 2013-03-06 20:16:19]

User currently offlineairbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 24):

They are indeed 747-200's but with CF6-80 (same as 747-400) engines so it's strange that the engine cowling looks different.



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User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Quoting b2319 (Reply 7):
I flew VH-EBY, a -300, as late as November 19th, 2007.

I flew a QF 747-300 from SYD to MEL in December the same year. I forget the exact date and the registration though.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

Quoting afterburner (Reply 28):
flew a QF 747-300 from SYD to MEL in December the same year. I forget the exact date and the registration thou

The last QF 743 was VH EBY QF 025 MEL-AKL-LAX Dec 29 2008, after which it then proceeded to storage, cheers.



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User currently offline135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 412 posts, RR: 4
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4446 times:
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Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 24):
I don't think most people know but both VC-25s for the President are 747 model 200Bs. If you look closely, the engine cowlings look a bit dated compared to other models. Most people incorrectly believe the president is in 747-400 model but that's actually not the case. They are late model builds though I don't know what kind of cycles and hours they have. The 747 400 were actually available at the time but I think for some reason the USAF preferred the older model. They generally do not like "cutting edge" technology for non-combat frames.

Hi, the 744 was not "available" when the initial order was placed. The two VC-25A's were delivered Aug and Dec of 1990 after being HEAVILY modified (which takes quite a long time for USAF spec). The 744 was still in "initial build stage" when the contracts were approved, and did not first fly until 1988.

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=100

"Boeing launched the 747-400 in October 1985 and the first development aircraft first flew on April 29 1988. US certification (with PW-4000s) was awarded in January 1989."

One of my friends is an Engine guy on them and wrote this to me: "Our jets have the CF6-80C2 made by GE. I believe they go on the -400 series. No FADEC just PMC’s like the F108!"

There would have been even more delays in replacing the well-aged 707's by then.

Regards,
135Mech

[Edited 2013-03-07 08:45:19]

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3821 posts, RR: 51
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

I'll fly CGK-JED on Saudia in a couple of weeks. When I booked this flight, it was still scheduled as 747-300, so I was very excited about this. When the summer schedule came out last month, my flight was changed to 773. Needless to say, I was not happy.

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Quoting babaero (Reply 26):
Have Saudia or PIA still got any of there 743 aircraft still flying
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 31):
Have Saudia or PIA still got any of there 743 aircraft still flying

Answered

Quoting 777way (Reply 15):
Saudia last 747-300 in 2012.



as for PIA they have five 743 one or two of which are currently inactive.


User currently offlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3922 times:
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Surinam Airways used to fly a B747-300 before to switch to the A340

Lollo


User currently offlinedon From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3780 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 19):

I was on a JAL flight NRT-MNL, about five years ago, which used a "Classic"......

Last JAL 747 classic flight was in August 2009.
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User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1082 posts, RR: 3
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3555 times:
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Northwest Airlines last revenue flight for a 747-151 was September 25, 2000. The aircraft was N601US and was only flown by Northwest Airlines. It was the 27th 747 built. The nose with the cockpit is now displayed in the Smithsonian Institute.   

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

I know PIA still flies the 747- 300

User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Which were the last of the SR's to fly for a pax line? DId they every fly anywhere other than Japan?

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9612 posts, RR: 52
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Purely anecdotal, but Northwest, Qantas, Air India, JAL, air India, and KLM, were all late users of their 747-200s and 300s.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

Quoting cornutt (Reply 37):
Which were the last of the SR's to fly for a pax line? DId they every fly anywhere other than Japan?

JAL's 2 747-100SRs built with a stretched upper deck (the only two of that model built) later operated briefly for Orient Thai Airlines.


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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3890 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

I flew KLM B747 200 "Indus" back in 1997. Seems like they scrapped that one back in late 2003 or 2004.

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