mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2397 posts, RR: 21 Posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10112 times:
Which still existing airlines (i.e. not Pan Am, TWA, Braniff, Varig...) were the last ones to retire the 747-100, -200 and -300s from scheduled passenger service (i.e. not cargo and not as some backup)?
I remember Lufthansa flying -200s until something like 2001/2002, Air France had some -300s up until 2005 I think, Qantas also until 2006?
What about others like British Airways? United? MEA? Cathay? Thai (quite late as well I think with their -300s!)? KLM? Air India (again another late operator of the -300 I believe)? South African? Egyptair? Iberia? Alitalia? SAS? JAL? Air China? Air New Zealand?
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11557 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9823 times:
Iran Air is the last scheduled carrier for 747-100, -SP and -200, Mahan Air one of the last two for the 747-300. All in Iran as you can see, and with an obvious reason.
Last scheduled carrier for the -100 outside Iran was Saudi Arabian who retired them around 2010. Last scheduled carrier outside Iran for the -200 was Transaero, until 2011 or even 2012. Outside Iran the last scheduled classic carrier for the -300 is PIA.
All without guarantee, there´s still Air Baltic trying a start-up with a 742 since 10 years or so
gr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3218 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9362 times:
Quoting na (Reply 4): Quoting gr8circle (Reply 3):I think AI retired all their 200s and 300s roughly around 2006.....not sure of the exact year.....
Only roughly. AI retired the last -200s in 2005, the two 743s at the beginning of 2009.
Ah thanks......yes, the 200s were quite old by 2005, the last one having been received in 1980.....but the two 300s were received in 1989 I think, so they were just 20 years old when they were retired.....
gr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3218 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9255 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8): The -300s seemed to have a short life. Not enough improvement to sustain operations once the -200s aged out.
But AI had only 2 of the 747-300s.....as long as the 200s were around, the combined fleet of 200s and 300s was reasonably large, but once the 200s were gone, I guess it didn't make sense to just operate two 300's....and they were both combis.....
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4573 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9103 times:
Orient Thai used 747 classics (lastly a 100B and 300) on daily scheduled flights between BKK and HKG til around mid 2011. They still have Classics but now mainly charter/hadj, MD-80s, 733s and 767s are now seen on their BKK-HKG route.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
BA 741 G-AWNP was retired by BA on 31 October 1999 after arriving at LHR on a flight from YUL. After storage at ROS it was sold to Kabo Air and registered 5N-OOO. Kabo primarily used it for Hadj flights. It was reported in service at ALG on 24 April 2004. This is the last reported sighting of a former BA 741 operating a passenger flight.
G-AWNP was one of five aircraft that arrived at LHR on the last day of the airline's 741 operations, 31 October 1999. The last of the five to arrive was G-AWNO (from YYZ) . It was preceded by G-AWNM (from ORD), then G-AWNP. Later that morning G-BBPU (from JFK) arrived just before G-AWNO.
The last BA flight operated by a 742 was flown by G-BDXO. It arrived at LHR from BOM on 8 October 2001. As many as ten BA 742s were retired between 29 September and 8 October 2001 in response to the 9/11 atrocity (although I believe they were all scheduled for retirement in the short term). In addtion to 'XO they were G-BDXB (2 October), 'XC (30 September), 'XE (29 September), 'XG (1 October), 'XH (1 October), 'XJ (6 October), 'XK (1 October), 'XL (4 October) and 'XN (1 October).
Several of BA's 742s were sold to European Air Charter and used for passenger flights. A couple went to Air Atlanta Icelandic but I think that they were used as freighters. Most were permanently retired before the end of 2005.
Too bad. I think they'll be flying in Iran for some time given the sanctions and the relatively low cycle numbers on the airframes, provided they can get or manufacture parts.
I don't think most people know but both VC-25s for the President are 747 model 200Bs. If you look closely, the engine cowlings look a bit dated compared to other models. Most people incorrectly believe the president is in 747-400 model but that's actually not the case. They are late model builds though I don't know what kind of cycles and hours they have. The 747 400 were actually available at the time but I think for some reason the USAF preferred the older model. They generally do not like "cutting edge" technology for non-combat frames.
135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 426 posts, RR: 5
Reply 30, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6303 times:
Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 24): I don't think most people know but both VC-25s for the President are 747 model 200Bs. If you look closely, the engine cowlings look a bit dated compared to other models. Most people incorrectly believe the president is in 747-400 model but that's actually not the case. They are late model builds though I don't know what kind of cycles and hours they have. The 747 400 were actually available at the time but I think for some reason the USAF preferred the older model. They generally do not like "cutting edge" technology for non-combat frames.
Hi, the 744 was not "available" when the initial order was placed. The two VC-25A's were delivered Aug and Dec of 1990 after being HEAVILY modified (which takes quite a long time for USAF spec). The 744 was still in "initial build stage" when the contracts were approved, and did not first fly until 1988.
Birdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 4086 posts, RR: 50
Reply 31, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6216 times:
I'll fly CGK-JED on Saudia in a couple of weeks. When I booked this flight, it was still scheduled as 747-300, so I was very excited about this. When the summer schedule came out last month, my flight was changed to 773. Needless to say, I was not happy.
All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
NWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1493 posts, RR: 3
Reply 35, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5411 times:
Northwest Airlines last revenue flight for a 747-151 was September 25, 2000. The aircraft was N601US and was only flown by Northwest Airlines. It was the 27th 747 built. The nose with the cockpit is now displayed in the Smithsonian Institute.