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BA Announce A380 Routes  
User currently offlineseansasLCY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 890 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 40661 times:

LAX and HKG will be first long haul destinations for the A380!

More information is here: http://www.britishairways.com/en/inf...cial&utm_campaign=UKQ1MarchA380OFS

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 40688 times:

I was expecting HKG, but that's great news about LAX!

Not to get technical, but aren't the 380s going to Worlwide or are Mixed Fleet getting them as well? I ask because, unless something has changed recently, I thought that LAX was a mixed fleet route?



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User currently offlineRichie72 From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 40533 times:

Looks like a very nice product....I did think that JNB would be one of them though!

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12724 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 40464 times:

Interesting, BA will get their first A380 in July but will not fly it to LAX until October 15. It looks like they will take plenty of time for crew training.

[Edited 2013-03-05 03:17:36]


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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2759 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 40339 times:
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Will they train their crew on flights to Madrid or..?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12724 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 40241 times:

That's not confirmed yet.


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20785 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 40237 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 1):
I thought that LAX was a mixed fleet route?

Wasn't that a MF hat on one of the crew in the video?



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3285 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 39908 times:

Off topic but interesting that they're splitting their business class between decks...



[Edited 2013-03-05 03:28:57]

Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.


[Edited 2013-03-05 03:31:09]


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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 39796 times:
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British Airways will be the 6th A380 operator at LAX

It's a matter of time before Emirates upgrades LAX to A380 operation

LAX quite the A380 hot-spot


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12724 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 39650 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 8):
LAX quite the A380 hot-spot

What about Heathrow:

- 3x BA soon
- 3x SQ
- 3x QF
- 2x MH
- 5x EK
- 1x TG next summer
- 1x QR in 2014



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5763 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 39533 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
What about Heathrow:

- 3x BA soon
- 3x SQ
- 3x QF

Only two QF. QF 1/2 [SYD] & QF 9/10 [MEL]

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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 39498 times:

I've followed the link, but I'm not sure how to interpret it. Are we just looking at the specific dates in the left hand column ?

To start with just LAX and HGK doesn't seem quite right to me. Both are routes long enough to result in very poor utilisation. LHR - LAX & return is just about 24 hours, resulting in the aircraft being about 2 hours short of being able to go straight back to LAX, if however combined with an East coast route where the plane is away for 15 hours or so, it can do nearly double the work in the same time. Likewise HGK has a 9 hour layover at the far end.


User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 39395 times:

I think the split deck is good, 3 mini cabins avoiding the class C class which has proved unpopular in some A380s

User currently offlineMAN2SIN2BKK From Germany, joined Feb 2009, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 39329 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Off topic but interesting that they're splitting their business class between decks...

Biz class looks very cramped!


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3479 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 39235 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 11):
Both are routes long enough to result in very poor utilisation. LHR - LAX & return is just about 24 hours, resulting in the aircraft being about 2 hours short of being able to go straight back to LAX, if however combined with an East coast route where the plane is away for 15 hours or so, it can do nearly double the work in the same time. Likewise HGK has a 9 hour layover at the far end.

Expect the aircraft coming from LAX continuing to HKG, so the time table isn't that weird.

And yes, the utilization is low, but this has been the case for all new A380 operators, where utilization has been low in the first few months.


User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12804 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 38889 times:
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Quoting MAN2SIN2BKK (Reply 13):
Biz class looks very cramped!

It will be less cramped than the 777, where they still get 8-across. EK puts 8-across on the upper-deck, so upper-desk on BA in J should be very nice.   

The disgram also seem to show a gap between the footrest and the seat in front, which will hopefully allow access to the aisle without the current 'straddle' over someone else's legs.



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3285 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 38887 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Off topic but interesting that they're splitting their business class between decks...



[Edited 2013-03-05 03:28:57]

Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.

Somehow my addition turned into miniature script above, but does anyone else think it's possible that BA could have a pax elevator planned to link the two business class cabins? On the main deck of the Biz cabin, to the starboard side of the central aft galley, there looks to be an elevator which lines up with that of the upper deck in the forward starboard section of the galley area. It would be pretty cool to have a small hotel-like lift.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 38855 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.

I'm not seeing that? Is the A380 able to take a pax elevator?

The World Traveler + seats on this video look quite different! Otherwise BAs standard Long Haul product.

Will there be a bar or similar innovations that A380 operators have adopted?

Sandyb123



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 38758 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 16):

Looks like lavatories to me. I really don't see the point of having an elevator between the two Business Class cabins. It would be very heavy and it is not like there is any need for most passengers to move between the two. If for some reason they have to they can take the stairs.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 38685 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 14):
Expect the aircraft coming from LAX continuing to HKG, so the time table isn't that weird

Why would they want to do that? Does BA even have the rights to carry passengers between the US and HKG?

LHR-LAX-HKG is 12716 miles while LHR-HKG is 5994 miles, so LHR-originating passengers are definitely not going to want to go "the long way" via LAX.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3040 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 38611 times:

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 19):
Why would they want to do that? Does BA even have the rights to carry passengers between the US and HKG?

LHR-LAX-HKG is 12716 miles while LHR-HKG is 5994 miles, so LHR-originating passengers are definitely not going to want to go "the long way" via LAX.

Please re-read what he said:

Quote:
Expect the aircraft coming from LAX continuing to HKG, so the time table isn't that weird

i.e. LAX-LHR-HKG

Rgds



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 38623 times:

From my experience of working on the A380, I feel splitting J between 2 decks will make it messy. This may work on the B747 but not on the A380. Splitting J catering and stores between decks is the main issue. The galleys also look very small. On another note, it is quite disappointing that BA haven't used this opportunity to reinvented their product. It is typical British conservatism...scared to push the envelope. I doubt passenger love the current product as BA say they do. If their passengers had a choice between a First Class Suite or BAs 'refreshed' old generation First seat, I think it is easy to figure out who'd they go for! Watching the promo video on YouTube, for a second though they'd posted Qantas' when they swept up the stairs as they have seemingly copied QFs logo concept. Only, it doesn't quite give the same effect.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.

That will be the cart lift you can see.

Thanks
ThomasCook

[Edited 2013-03-05 04:43:58]


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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 670 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 38613 times:

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 19):
Why would they want to do that? Does BA even have the rights to carry passengers between the US and HKG?

LHR-LAX-HKG is 12716 miles while LHR-HKG is 5994 miles, so LHR-originating passengers are definitely not going to want to go "the long way" via LAX.

This means LAX-LHR and then LHR-HKG.

It will go from LHR to HKG always. Otherwise theyre bringing passengers back to LHR from HKG but none LHR-HKG.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 38381 times:

The J seats themselves actually look quite different (ie the actual thing you sit on, not the surround). Will they actually have that more defined headrest and vertical contrasting stitching, or is that just an error by the graphic designer who created the renders? Looks quite nice to me, and will break up the blocks of blue and white up quite nicely.

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 19):
Why would they want to do that? Does BA even have the rights to carry passengers between the US and HKG?

Reread the quote. The timetables suggest that the aircraft that comes from LAX (ie inbound to LHR) will continue onto HKG later the same day.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 38343 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 20):
i.e. LAX-LHR-HKG

Argh, I need coffee. Even after reading that twice I still misinterpreted it. Apologies ...


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3479 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 39853 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 20):
i.e. LAX-LHR-HKG

Thank you  
Seems like the typical scheduled is built up the following utilization:

DAY 1: LHR-LAX // 2,5hrs @ LAX // LAX-->
DAY 2: -->LHR // 3,5hrs @ LHR // LHR-->
DAY 3: -->HKG // 9hrs @ HKG // HKG-->
DAY 4: --> LHR // ?
etc......

And agin, yes it is a low utilization, but a typical utilization for a new type of aircraft entering the fleet. With three aircraft in the fleet, this implies they have quite a lot of slack for distruptcions

[Edited 2013-03-05 05:01:53]

User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 39581 times:

I have heard that the training flights will not be out of LHR, so I doubt we will see the A380s on short-haul.

User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 40493 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 21):
From my experience of working on the A380, I feel splitting J between 2 decks will make it messy. This may work on the B747 but not on the A380. Splitting J catering and stores between decks is the main issue.

Clubworld is presently spilt between 2 decks on the 744's In practice the upper deck is for passengers on either full price fares or with high FF status. Lowly once a year bucket and spade types like me and my family have to make do with the lower deck.

I fully expect to be flying lower deck on the A380, with the upper deck Club cabin reserved for better yielding passengers.


User currently offlineupperdeck From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 40302 times:

Looks great to me! As a passenger I couldn't give a monkey's if the J cabins are split. I've flown BA J plenty of times and still consider it to be one of the best out there, and on an A380 with the quieter cabin and bigger windows versus a 777/747 then this is definitely going to be popular.


In my opinion there is no need for BA to upgrade their J product yet - it's perfectly good.


User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 40189 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 27):
I fully expect to be flying lower deck on the A380, with the upper deck Club cabin reserved for better yielding passengers.

Hi, it's not really about where you put passengers, it is the effect it can have on service flow, timings and efficiency, especially when things start running short. On the 747 it is relitively easy to juggle things between the upper deck and main deck due to size albeit, still messy and annoying. On the A380, it's not so straight forward. In particular when all crew are in the middle of the service and all very busy. Things start to fall apart.



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User currently offlinepacksonflight From Iceland, joined Jan 2010, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 40122 times:

Quoting Lofty (Reply 26):

I have heard that the training flights will not be out of LHR, so I doubt we will see the A380s on short-haul.

Air France did LHR-CDG initially when they got the 380 for crew training, and that is ultra-short haul!


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 39926 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):

What about Heathrow:

- 3x BA soon
- 3x SQ
- 3x QF
- 2x MH
- 5x EK
- 1x TG next summer
- 1x QR in 2014

LAX is becoming a huge destination for the A380 and I don't believe the poster would disagree that LHR is also a A380 power house. He was just mentioning it because of the topic of BA's destinations listed LAX as a destination for their A380.



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User currently offlineChannex101 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 39665 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):

The promotions team also wear hats so this could be anyone, even groundstaff!
Also cityflyer crew wear hats, its just mainline LHR and LGW who dont


User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 38973 times:

Quoting upperdeck (Reply 28):
Looks great to me! As a passenger I couldn't give a monkey's if the J cabins are split.

I personally think it's a massive plus point! All the feedback I've heard from people who've flown on AF in J on the A380 has been tinged with negativity in this respect. There are just so many J seats all lumped together, the cabin loses any semblance of exclusivity.


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 38986 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
- 3x BA soon

Eventually it'll be 12 x BA 


Although thinking about it DXB is something like 28 x EK


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 38758 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 29):
Hi, it's not really about where you put passengers, it is the effect it can have on service flow, timings and efficiency, especially when things start running short. On the 747 it is relitively easy to juggle things between the upper deck and main deck due to size albeit, still messy and annoying. On the A380, it's not so straight forward. In particular when all crew are in the middle of the service and all very busy. Things start to fall apart.

You have to weigh up the relative costs of the inconvenience to cabin crew, compared to the increased revenue from business passengers who favour a Clubworld cabin with no kids and drunken holidaymakers.
Additionally the two cabons will now have rather more passengers, so the top deck will likely stand on its own, with little need for "juggling" Even with its only a case of potentially transferring a few meal choices between cabins if one has a surplus of a choice and the other one a deficiency.


User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 38699 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 1):
Not to get technical, but aren't the 380s going to Worlwide or are Mixed Fleet getting them as well? I ask because, unless something has changed recently, I thought that LAX was a mixed fleet route?

It's currently only confirmed that both WW and MF crew will operate on the A380 on their own routes (rather than together).

LAX isn't currently a MF route (which are... HND, LAS, LED, DEN, NBO, PRG, PSA, MAN, KBP, LAD, SAN, BUD, GIG, VIE, ORY, LIS, TLS, HAM, ABV, ORD and BOS)

SAN would be the closest they'd fly at present, although the routes change periodically.

[Edited 2013-03-05 06:12:40]

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 38379 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 27):
Lowly once a year bucket and spade types like me and my family have to make do with the lower deck.

Funny, I much prefer the lower deck to the upper deck on the 744. The upper deck walls make it feel more cramped and you're further from the window which I like looking out of, and I don't have to lug the carry-on up and down the stairs. I've never flown on an A380 so I can't compare but on the 744 I will always choose the lower deck if given a choice.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3040 posts, RR: 23
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 38186 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 27):
I fully expect to be flying lower deck on the A380, with the upper deck Club cabin reserved for better yielding passengers.

Perhaps, though there is nothing to prevent even a lowly blue or 'Avios whore' from paying for a seat selection anywhere on board.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12724 posts, RR: 35
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 38183 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 34):
Although thinking about it DXB is something like 28 x EK

Funny you mention it, Emirates posted this picture on their Facebook page:

http://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/859655_338755352900887_1750498667_o.jpg



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 37926 times:

Could BA fly their A380s to DXB?

User currently offlinedergay From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 37929 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):
Only two QF. QF 1/2 [SYD] & QF 9/10 [MEL]

Thought that QF was switching to EK flights via DXB! At least that's the routing QF are advertising and selling....



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User currently offlineHawaiianBird From Germany, joined Jan 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 37364 times:
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Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 40):
Could BA fly their A380s to DXB?

In terms of range it would be no problem for BA to operate their A380s on LHR-DXB-LHR. Their top competitor on that route, EK, operates several daily A380 flights.
For BA am afraid that the O&D market at DXB is not large enough to operate A380 economically.


User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 37273 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 35):
compared to the increased revenue from business passengers who favour a Clubworld cabin with no kids and drunken holidaymakers.

I don't believe there is anything stopping 'kids and drunken holidaymakers' sitting on the upper deck, especially given that you can pay BA for the 'privilege' of choosing your preferred J Class seat. You talk about holidaymakers as if they are of a lower class then business men and women. I haven't experienced rowdy or drunken holidaymakers in J before, just customers who have paid just as much as the business person sat next to them. Likely, some of them holidaymakers are possibly BA frequent flyers who are merely travelling for leisure rather then work.

ThomasCook



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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 37138 times:

In regards to nclmedic's post, that list is way out of date.

Mixed Fleet operate LAX and have done since August 2012.

Mixed Fleet no longer operate

DEN
SAN
BUD
LIS
TLS
ORD
BOS

Kind regards

Mike


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 45, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 36990 times:

So no BA A380 flights to MIA, I was expecting that.

A388


User currently offlineplaniac787 From India, joined May 2012, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 36608 times:

I am surprised to see no indian destination on the list...
British Airways operates 2 daily flights to new delhi....One on the 747 and other is a 777...
During the christmas time (which is peak travel time) , the LHR-DEL route is packed...even during the other times LHR-DEL is a very popular route... there are multiple airlines currently doing that route so there is definitely a good market...
I feel A380 to DEL will be a good choice.. Also I am a bit surprised not to see new york in that list...

Maybe one reason BA is not operating the 380 to india is because the government might have put restrictions to protect indian carriers like Air India from losing business....

Common practice by the indian government....
They did that too LH when they wanted to operate the A380 to del....

Well what can I say.... I dont see A380 coming to india any time soon...

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User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 36609 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 27):
Lowly once a year bucket and spade types like me and my family have to make do with the lower deck.

Better once a year than than never !!

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 21):
From my experience of working on the A380, I feel splitting J between 2 decks will make it messy. This may work on the B747 but not on the A380. Splitting J catering and stores between decks is the main issue. The galleys also look very small. On another note, it is quite disappointing that BA haven't used this opportunity to reinvented their product. It is typical British conservatism...scared to push the envelope. I doubt passenger love the current product as BA say they do. If their passengers had a choice between a First Class Suite or BAs 'refreshed' old generation First seat, I think it is easy to figure out who'd they go for! Watching the promo video on YouTube, for a second though they'd posted Qantas' when they swept up the stairs as they have seemingly copied QFs logo concept. Only, it doesn't quite give the same effect.
Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 29):
Hi, it's not really about where you put passengers, it is the effect it can have on service flow, timings and efficiency, especially when things start running short. On the 747 it is relitively easy to juggle things between the upper deck and main deck due to size albeit, still messy and annoying. On the A380, it's not so straight forward. In particular when all crew are in the middle of the service and all very busy. Things start to fall apart.

With respect ThomasCook I think we can assume that British Airways know what they are doing and that their configs take into account their own passenger profiles. (they are different for every airline you know) Considering they are far from being the first to operate this type I think we can also assume that BA have carried out research into the experience of other A380 operators.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 36300 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 36):

LA is current,y a MF route I'm afraid!!!!



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 36185 times:

Quoting planiac787 (Reply 46):

I could be wrong and perhaps it's more related to a feud with EK but I was under the impression the Indian Government where not allowing any foreign airline operate A380s into India!



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 36208 times:

Quoting HawaiianBird (Reply 42):
For BA am afraid that the O&D market at DXB is not large enough to operate A380 economically.

I don't think anyone has enough of a O&D market at DXB to operate an A380 economically. Even for for EK most of their passengers are connecting there.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 36131 times:

Congrats to LAX for yet another A380!

How many BA flights will there be? I know there are currently 2 scheduled 744s sent to LAX, but will this be an addition, or a replacement of one of the 744s?

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.

That's definitely the john  



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User currently offlineplaniac787 From India, joined May 2012, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 35608 times:

At the moment I think only LH and EK have really tried bringing in the A380 but since both FRA and DXB are also AI destinations the govt put there foot down to protect the Ailing carrier....

Pradat



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User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 782 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 35371 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 20):
i.e. LAX-LHR-HKG

How about a cool LHR-LAX-HKG-LHR ... in one direction

and another going LHR-HKG-LAX-LHR ... round the world!!!

  


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 54, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 35088 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 51):
How many BA flights will there be? I know there are currently 2 scheduled 744s sent to LAX, but will this be an addition, or a replacement of one of the 744s?

This is why I was also expecting BA to announce MIA as one of their first A380 routes. MIA also has 2 daily 744 flights. I assume the A380 flight to LAX will replace one of the 744 flights.

A388


User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 35005 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 51):
How many BA flights will there be? I know there are currently 2 scheduled 744s sent to LAX, but will this be an addition, or a replacement of one of the 744s?

There's 3 x daily during the summer schedule every year so it's gotta be an A380 plus.....???

I know you're all going to flame me but I like the 744. I think I'd rather go on a 744 (in business anyway). Am I alone in this ?

Granted I have not yet flown on one because I fly BA but having seen many at LHR they don't do much for me aesthetically. Which is ridiculous I know. They are magnificent aircraft !


User currently offlineplaniac787 From India, joined May 2012, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 34817 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 53):
How about a cool LHR-LAX-HKG-LHR ... in one direction

and another going LHR-HKG-LAX-LHR ... round the world!!!

As interesting and cool that sounds I doubt BA is going to go for such an adventurous route...

Jet airways had started a Mumbai-Shanghai-Sanfrancisco route...
Never worked well for them....

I think they ll go for the tried and test method of

LHR-LAX-LHR and
LHr-HKG-LHR

Cheers

Pradat



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3285 posts, RR: 9
Reply 57, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 34820 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 18):
Looks like lavatories to me.

The loos are clearly and separately marked.

Quoting Polot (Reply 18):
If for some reason they have to they can take the stairs.

Not through First Class they won't and it's quite a trip through Y and Y+, and the rear stairs.

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 21):
That will be the cart lift you can see.

Most probably, but what an extra if they could manage an elevator between two otherwise disparate Business Class cabins? The cart lifts are used to transport cabin crew as well as food carts so an upspecced version isn't out of the question.



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User currently offlineeurowings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 34362 times:

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 30):
Air France did LHR-CDG initially when they got the 380 for crew training, and that is ultra-short haul!

Looking at what BA staff are saying on the official Facebook page it perhaps seems less-likely;

"Facebook User: Are you doing European flights in the A380, for crew familiarisation which has been reported but not confirmed?
BA: We will be flying conversion and training flights for pilots and crew, but these will not be passenger flights."

http://www.facebook.com/britishairways

[Edited 2013-03-05 07:51:23]

User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 33319 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 55):
I know you're all going to flame me but I like the 744. I think I'd rather go on a 744 (in business anyway). Am I alone in this ?

Yes, you are alone



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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 33121 times:

I expect there will be passenger familiarisation flights, but these will be by invitation.

User currently offlinesteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32857 times:

Quoting eurowings (Reply 58):
Quoting packsonflight (Reply 30):
Air France did LHR-CDG initially when they got the 380 for crew training, and that is ultra-short haul!

Looking at what BA staff are saying on the official Facebook page it perhaps seems less-likely;

"Facebook User: Are you doing European flights in the A380, for crew familiarisation which has been reported but not confirmed?
BA: We will be flying conversion and training flights for pilots and crew, but these will not be passenger flights."

http://www.facebook.com/britishairways

In last month's HighLife there was an interview with BA's first qualified A380 captain - James Basnett I think. A few crew have received their type ratings already, and they have all done that through the simulator - if I remember right they have not yet actually flown a real one yet. Apparently they will do some jump seat flights on other operators before BA actually takes delivery of its first A380 itself. Presumably the ability to do the type rating in the simulator takes the pressure off the need for short haul flights for training purposes (for flight deck at least).



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 62, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32673 times:

Quoting shankly (Reply 59):
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 55):
I know you're all going to flame me but I like the 744. I think I'd rather go on a 744 (in business anyway). Am I alone in this ?

Yes, you are alone

No, you are not!!!



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 63, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 32726 times:

It's good they have decided to put their A380s on the 10hr plus flights. The passengers are really going to notice the difference.

I do think it is a shame BA didn't enhance their F class product with a dedicated 'gentleman's club style' bar area. I think that would be the cherry on the cake and real competition for other A380 operators.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 32548 times:

Quoting Lofty (Reply 26):
I have heard that the training flights will not be out of LHR,

Doesn't really leave a lot of options. Familiarisation will also be for ground staff (based at LHR) who work for BA (based at LHR) and cabin crew. Where else would they be based? That has engineering support and crewing?
Are they going to use Gate 110 at LGW?  


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 25
Reply 65, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 32455 times:

What does everyone mean by Mixed Fleet?

[Edited 2013-03-05 08:44:49]


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User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 32242 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 63):
I do think it is a shame BA didn't enhance their F class product with a dedicated 'gentleman's club style' bar area. I think that would be the cherry on the cake and real competition for other A380 operators.

You won't see a bar on a BA A380 or any other BA aircraft for the same reason you won't see mile upon mile of faux gold finish or high polish veneer. I'm afraid that for some airlines there is just no accounting for class and taste.

Sometimes less is more.

Plus the fact that airline's that entertain such frivolity or bells and whistles are compensating for a needles stop en-route ( e.g EK ) or are trying to lure business away from superior and more established competition ( e.g VS )

[Edited 2013-03-05 09:08:01]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 67, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 31666 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 55):
I know you're all going to flame me but I like the 744. I think I'd rather go on a 744 (in business anyway). Am I alone in this ?
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 62):
No, you are not!!!

Indeed you're not but I love both the 744 and 380. I don't discriminate my jets  
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 55):
There's 3 x daily during the summer schedule every year so it's gotta be an A380 plus.....???

So they're adding ANOTHER flight there? 4 flights total?



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User currently offlineflyba380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 31350 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 63):
I do think it is a shame BA didn't enhance their F class product with a dedicated 'gentleman's club style' bar area. I think that would be the cherry on the cake and real competition for other A380 operators.

I like the elegant BA F product. I think this is what stands BA apart from its A380 competitors. Other Airlines (EK, SQ...) have opted for the flashy lust appeal (with the showers, suites, bars, etc...), whereas BA have gone the traditional British, conservative, elegant route and I think it looks great. Sometime less is more and I think this is one of those times...

Would be great to fly on this. I know BA is not the world leader when it comes to its F and J product, but I would rather fly them than other F and J products on some of the worlds leading airlines.


User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 31150 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 67):
So they're adding ANOTHER flight there? 4 flights total?

Well I have no idea what they will do but there are currently 3 744's a day for the LAX summer schedule.

Maybe 2 A380's a day in the summer and an A380 and a 777 in the winter ?

Hang on though.......thing is they ain't gonna have many so maybe just one A380 and a couple of other jets.

Oh god knows. One things for sure...they can't just fling 'em here there and everywhere like EK.

I'm just wondering if BA did have limitless cash reserves how many A380's they have the potential market to use at LHR ?


User currently offlinecv990coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 31013 times:
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Quoting PHX787
"So they're adding ANOTHER flight there? 4 flights total?"

No BA 269 which departs LHR at 1615 will be a 388 instead of a 744

The fourth light which is often shown is at 1400 but it is an AA code share



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User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 31002 times:
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Quoting seansasLCY (Thread starter):
LAX and HKG will be first long haul destinations for the A380!

I suspect that JNB will follow shortly after that.


In the video, they only show Business, WT+ and WT right?



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20785 posts, RR: 62
Reply 72, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 30718 times:

LOL, do people not know how to look-up online timetables any longer? 

Beginning with the W13 schedule, BA has only two flights loaded so far for LHR-LAX.

B283, a 747, and BA269, an A380.



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User currently offlinecv990coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 30385 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty
"LOL, do people not know how to look-up online timetables any longer? "

We were talking about October when the 388 starts as per below.

It changes at the end of October in the winter schedule to 2 flights one with a 388 and one with a 744

SAT 19OCT13 LONDON /LOS ANGELES *B
** BRITISH AIRWAYS - SN ** 228 SA 19OCT 0000
1 LHR LAX 0940 1255 BA 279 F9 A6 J9 C9 D9 R9 I4 W9 E9 T1#744C
2 LHR LAX 1205 1510 BA 283 F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E9 TC#744C
3 LHR LAX 1400 1715 @BA1508 F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9#77WC
4 LHR LAX 1615 1915 BA 269 F9 A5 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E9 T9#388C

[Edited 2013-03-05 09:49:16]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 74, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 30173 times:

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 30):
Air France did LHR-CDG initially when they got the 380 for crew training, and that is ultra-short haul!

I was on the very first turnaround. Mixed classes between the two flights. I had a great time.

I hope British Airways will do it the other way around LHR-CDG-LHR with their first A380 crew training flights so we can all go fly the route and have a great time!

It would be a courtesy to Air France for doing theirs to LHR back then.

     



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7693 posts, RR: 17
Reply 75, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 29376 times:

Almost all the first 100 747s and a significant proportion of the next 150 had a bar / lounge fitted out on the upper deck as a standard feature. So, for example, the first 12 741s delivered to BOAC and subsequently operated by BA were all fitted out with two bench seats against the bulkhead, two swivel chairs and a wooden table on each side and two in-line double bench seats down the middle, one facing left the other right. But in 1980/81 when these 12 aircraft had been flying for BA for seven or eight years they were returned one by one to Boeing to be refitted with a standard upper deck cabin. The same is true for most of the other (perhaps around 150) 747s.

The 747s fitted with a lounge / bar all have three upper deck windows each side. Those with an ordinary cabin have 12. Below is G-AWNA "before" and "after":


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So for BA and for many others a bar / lounge on the 380 could be seen as a retrograde step going back over 30 years.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 76, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 29145 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 54):
This is why I was also expecting BA to announce MIA as one of their first A380 routes. MIA also has 2 daily 744 flights. I assume the A380 flight to LAX will replace one of the 744 flights.

There's no gate. But MIA is ready to transform gate E8 (IIRC) to an A380 gate for British Airways. But that will still take some time.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20785 posts, RR: 62
Reply 77, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28998 times:

Quoting cv990coronado (Reply 73):
We were talking about October when the 388 starts as per below.

Yes, when I was looking up flights, there's a short period between when the A380 is introduced and the beginning of the W13 schedule, which starts Oct 27. It's very easy to confirm that there aren't 4 flights a day on BA metal.



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User currently offlinefraspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 78, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28898 times:

Hmmm... surprised that JFK wasn't among the first. Could we see JFK among the first 5 BA A380 destinations? I could see it LAX, HKG, JNB, JFK, and NRT... DEL or BOM would make sense but India of course has the "no A380 before AI" rule in place to protect Air India...  

[Edited 2013-03-05 10:23:25]

[Edited 2013-03-05 10:27:38]


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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28625 times:

Any chance of seeing a BA A380 in Mia in the future? I know theres only one gate currently
and that's for LH I believe they do good on that route. One can hope


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 80, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28537 times:
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Quoting mah4546 (Reply 76):
There's no gate. But MIA is ready to transform gate E8 (IIRC) to an A380 gate for British Airways. But that will still take some time.

Miami is NOT a business route like Hong Kong , LAX, JFK and J'berg. Why is some one always saying Miami is an early BA A380 city, it was among the last to get 744 only in 2001 when all the 742's has left. Some one will say LH flies an A380 to Miami, but then LH always had one 1 FRA to MIA flight. BA and AA have 4 LHR to MIA flights ( now BA has # and AA 1 daily, this Summer 2 BA and 2 AA)


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 81, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28385 times:

Now what about Tokyo? I'd love to see another carrier fly the A380 into NRT  
Quoting cv990coronado (Reply 70):
No BA 269 which departs LHR at 1615 will be a 388 instead of a 744

Oh damn, wow. Interesting.

That flight diverted to PHX a few times in the past, so I wonder if she'll divert here as an A380....



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 82, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28333 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 80):
Miami is NOT a business route like Hong Kong , LAX, JFK and J'berg.

Yes, it absolutely is a business route, especially to London. Or did the Concorde fly to Miami for eight years for fun?



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 27947 times:

Yes there is one dedicated gate at mia for the A380 its in terminal J for Lh.
Also I thought that Ba was moving back to the north terminal to be with
ow partners. If that's the case how are they going to build a gate for the a380
when everything is so cramped as is. Or when it does come are they going that in E concourse
as mentioned above.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4864 posts, RR: 40
Reply 84, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 27798 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Off topic but interesting that they're splitting their business class between decks...

That is indeed very interesting. Nice to see that LAX gets more and more A380's.  


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 85, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 27491 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 82):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 80):
Miami is NOT a business route like Hong Kong , LAX, JFK and J'berg.

Yes, it absolutely is a business route, especially to London. Or did the Concorde fly to Miami for eight years for fun?

Yes, MIA indeed is both a business route and I also think a leisure route for BA so they can use the A380 to MIA.

A388


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 86, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 27289 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 66):
Plus the fact that airline's that entertain such frivolity or bells and whistles are compensating for a needles stop en-route ( e.g EK ) or are trying to lure business away from superior and more established competition ( e.g VS )

And the ultimate irony here is that your beloved VS is singlehandly responsible for starting the latest craze with the inflight bars - they've been doing it since the 90s, well before it became popular on "tackier" and less "tasteful" airlines like Emirates, Singapore, Qantas, etc.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 87, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 27255 times:

BA says no passengers on Europe crew training flights

British Airways facebook page Q&A

Q: Are you doing European flights in the A380, for crew familiarisation which has been reported but not confirmed?
BA: we will be flying conversion and training flights for pilots and crew, but these will not be passenger flights.

Will have to try and see about a "private invite" but I am not keeping my hope up too high.

      



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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 876 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 27070 times:

Its good that BA aren't rushing into starting commercial flights - when they do they'll have enough planes to be able to offer more or less daily flights so its less of a lottery for customers as to which type of aircraft they'll get.

Just a pity that circumstances don't allow BA to announce their 787 routes too...


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 89, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 27033 times:
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Quoting mah4546 (Reply 82):
Yes, it absolutely is a business route, especially to London. Or did the Concorde fly to Miami for eight years for fun?

The Concorde stopped in Dulles and only flew to MIA with 15 to 20 passengers. A Real winner ?


User currently onlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 90, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 26697 times:
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Don't panic folks!

Read this link, suggests other flights will run before the LAX services start

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ba-confirms-la-as-first-a380-route



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User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 26525 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 65):
What does everyone mean by Mixed Fleet?

Mixed Fleet is the term for the cabin crew on the newer contracts at BA. Basically, they can fly both short and long haul services, rather than before where crew either flew short (Euro Fleet) or long (Worldwide Fleet) haul services.

These crew wear the hats and are on cheaper/ more flexible contracts than the older crew.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 92, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 26329 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 89):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 82):
Yes, it absolutely is a business route, especially to London. Or did the Concorde fly to Miami for eight years for fun?

The Concorde stopped in Dulles and only flew to MIA with 15 to 20 passengers. A Real winner ?

Obviously. It lasted for a very, very long time.

MIALHR is a high-fare market. There is a strong leisure component, but it's a strong business route nonetheless. And likely will see a BA A380 in due time.



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 26148 times:

If BA is moving back to the north terminal in Mia in due time to be with AA & ow partners
how will they be able to fit an A380 there? Everything is so cramped and space limited.

[Edited 2013-03-05 11:33:28]

User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1729 posts, RR: 7
Reply 94, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 26107 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 16):
Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.

Somehow my addition turned into miniature script above, but does anyone else think it's possible that BA could have a pax elevator planned to link the two business class cabins? On the main deck of the Biz cabin, to the starboard side of the central aft galley, there looks to be an elevator which lines up with that of the upper deck in the forward starboard section of the galley area. It would be pretty cool to have a small hotel-like lift.

That is an electric cart lift for use by the caterers. No passengers allowed. It is VERY small and willonly hold one cart.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 95, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 26002 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 90):
Read this link, suggests other flights will run before the LAX services start

The article is a bit confusing in my opinion.

A388


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 25361 times:

Make of it what you want, but I heard from a well-informed BA crew member that BCN would be the original crew familiarization destination. It's not a surprise, considering the frequency BA has on that route.

User currently offlineAnsettB727 From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 24872 times:

It's a big shame it's not going to SYD, especially now that QF and BA aren't 'friends'.

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 98, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 24839 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 96):

Make of it what you want, but I heard from a well-informed BA crew member that BCN would be the original crew familiarization destination. It's not a surprise, considering the frequency BA has on that route.


If its anything to you, NONE of the crew regardless of fleet know what's happening, it's all just hearsay! Iv only heard BCN once mentioned, general concensus is that IF and that's a very big IF commercial shorthaul flights are to be used in order to familiarise crew it'll be MAD! I have no doubt BA will certainly do a few random promotional flights around Europe and perhaps other Longhaul destinations too but as for "we'll informed" speculation I urge you all to treat with a pint of salt until further information is leaked directly by BA!



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 24231 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 87):
BA says no passengers on Europe crew training flights

British Airways facebook page Q&A

Q: Are you doing European flights in the A380, for crew familiarisation which has been reported but not confirmed?
BA: we will be flying conversion and training flights for pilots and crew, but these will not be passenger flights.

Will have to try and see about a "private invite" but I am not keeping my hope up too high.

It has been said several times, at least in a lot of forums, that BA will fly the A380 to MAD for crew familiarisation flights. We'll see if that happens or not, but it makes sense. LH brought its A380 to PMI, BCN and MAD on special events.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3289 posts, RR: 6
Reply 100, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 23709 times:
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I am also very surprised not to see JFK on the list of first destinations, but I imagine it's an issue with gates. I don't think T7 or T8 have any a380-compatible gates.


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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 23464 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 55):
I know you're all going to flame me but I like the 744. I think I'd rather go on a 744 (in business anyway). Am I alone in this ?

No, you're not alone...I will (and have done so in the past) go out of my way to fly a BA 747-436. I don't have any hatred for the A380 (although I'm not a fan of the nose), but I would choose a 747 over an A380 without thinking twice. At the same time, I would choose an A380 over anything with two engines...I just hope that, on the sad day when the 747 leaves BA's fleet for good, they'll send at least one A380 to SFO...



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 102, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22421 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 99):
We'll see if that happens or not, but it makes sense. LH brought its A380 to PMI, BCN and MAD on special events.

Other than proving that the airport is capable of handling the aircraft, what does LH flying to those destinations have any bearing on what BA does with its 380s?



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20785 posts, RR: 62
Reply 103, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22227 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 100):

I am also very surprised not to see JFK on the list of first destinations, but I imagine it's an issue with gates.

Also look at it from an economic standpoint. BA essentially runs a 744 shuttle between New York and London. For the distance, they don't need the most fuel efficient or most expensive aircraft on the market to run those flights. Much better to place the A380 on longer distance flights and run the 744 fleet to the US east coast, much like BA did with their 741 fleet 25 years ago.



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User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 20612 times:

Quoting warden145 (Reply 101):

No, you're not alone...I will (and have done so in the past) go out of my way to fly a BA 747-436



Lots of Luddites on today. Warden, you are insane (in a nice, wacky sort of way!)

As much as the 747, in all its pre -8i guises, has been a wonderful aircraft, go fly an A380 and a 744 back to back. Its like flying a Connie and a 707 back to back.

My last 744 flight? Just a month ago CPT-LHR. Yes I had a smile on my face when the mighty RB211's began to buzz through the warm Cape Town evening air. And yes I was amused by the shake, rattle and roll of the cabin and fixtures at rotation and initial climb. And yes the 1990's architecture gives a sense of nostalgia. And yes I knew the old bird would get me and my family safely back to London through that dark African night.....But in saying all that, I just wished I was on a quiet, smooth, snug A380!



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 105, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19036 times:

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 78):
surprised that JFK wasn't among the first. Could we see JFK among the first 5 BA A380 destinations?

I strongly doubt that the A380 will make it to JFK until they expand the fleet beyond the first 12 frames to start properly replacing the 744s. It's not the right plane for the route -- only a small increase in premium capacity but a lot of additional Y seats to fill, plus the fact that T7 is probably incapable of handling such a big plane without shutting down multiple gates.

Quoting AnsettB727 (Reply 97):
It's a big shame it's not going to SYD, especially now that QF and BA aren't 'friends'.

It's probably a bit too big for BA to be considering sending it all the way through SIN (though I expect SIN to be another route they start soon, emulating HKG with the A380/77W combo). Plus we'll be getting the new product anyway  


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1729 posts, RR: 7
Reply 106, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18526 times:

Quoting shankly (Reply 104):
My last 744 flight? Just a month ago CPT-LHR. Yes I had a smile on my face when the mighty RB211's began to buzz through the warm Cape Town evening air. And yes I was amused by the shake, rattle and roll of the cabin and fixtures at rotation and initial climb. And yes the 1990's architecture gives a sense of nostalgia. And yes I knew the old bird would get me and my family safely back to London through that dark African night.....But in saying all that, I just wished I was on a quiet, smooth, snug A380!

A nice tribute to my favorite airplane. She will always be "The Queen of the Skies." It will be interesting in years to come to see what technology will bring us when we look back at the A380 as we do now for the 747, VC-10 and other great flying machines.



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User currently offlineChannex101 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18005 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 36):

Your list is a bit out of date im afriad, BUD TLS LIS are back to Eurofleet, MF are also doing KWI and YVR to name a few and WW are doing BOS and DEN at moment. The routes pop back and forward between the fleets. SIN/SYD goes MF in Sept/Oct time.

But back to subject, MF and WW will operate A380


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 108, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16719 times:

Quoting planiac787 (Reply 56):
Quoting ASA (Reply 53):
How about a cool LHR-LAX-HKG-LHR ... in one direction

and another going LHR-HKG-LAX-LHR ... round the world!!!

As interesting and cool that sounds I doubt BA is going to go for such an adventurous route...

In the 1960s and '70s BA flew around the world, via both Asia and Australia.

LHR-JFK-SFO-HNL-HND-HKG...and back to LHR via several stops in Asia/Middle East.
LHR-JFK-LAX-HNL-NAN-SYD...ditto.

The Transpacific BA routes ended about the tinme the 747 replaced the 707 (used on the route via Japan) and VC-10 (used on the South Pacific route).


User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16447 times:

On the seatmap, where's 24D? is that a crew seat?


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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16356 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 55):
I know you're all going to flame me but I like the 744. I think I'd rather go on a 744 (in business anyway). Am I alone in this ?

Not really alone. Not a 744, but on LH the 748 biz class is nicer than the 388.

BA will probably be a different experiance however. I'm looking forward to trying it on the 380.



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16239 times:

Quoting HawaiianBird (Reply 42):
In terms of range it would be no problem for BA to operate their A380s on LHR-DXB-LHR. Their top competitor on that route, EK, operates several daily A380 flights.
For BA am afraid that the O&D market at DXB is not large enough to operate A380 economically.

Well I know that... maybe I just didn't explain myself... I was just wondering if it would make commercial sense today. At the end of the day, DXB is probably the shortest flight to the East that can grant a A380 (it is then a quick turnaround).

Quoting airbazar (Reply 50):
I don't think anyone has enough of a O&D market at DXB to operate an A380 economically. Even for for EK most of their passengers are connecting there.

London-Dubai I assume is a very large O&D market today... otherwise VS wouldn't fly there, nor BA with multiple daily frequencies. AF used the A380 in CDG-DXB for a while; and I am sure the local market from Dubai to Paris is much smaller than to London (tourism, business, VFR on both directions).

Again, from a marketing perspective it would be at least funny  .

[Edited 2013-03-05 19:28:02]

User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15893 times:

BA entered an agreement with OSL and Avinor to operate LHR-OSL for crew training.
Landing fees will be the same as with A319/20/21 operating.

Anyone knows if there are other airports with simmalar agreements?

[Edited 2013-03-05 20:01:36]

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15521 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 109):

On the seatmap, where's 24D? is that a crew seat?


There is no 24D that is where the escape hatch from the crew rest area below. Same as on most other Airlines A380's

The stairs are just forward of 20 DEFG on the BA seat map


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 114, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Not surprised to see that they will send the A380 to LAX. Sure, it is quite a sight to see the A380 make its final approach over Sepulveda, but there is hardly anything that beats the 747. Sad to see yet another 744 replaced at LAX.


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User currently offlinecharleyb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11666 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 64):
Are they going to use Gate 110 at LGW?

Love it
 


User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11154 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 86):
And the ultimate irony here is that your beloved VS is singlehandly responsible for starting the latest craze with the inflight bars - they've been doing it since the 90s, well before it became popular on "tackier" and less "tasteful" airlines like Emirates, Singapore, Qantas, etc.

My beloved VS ? That's a switch.

I think BA has chosen not to put in a bar on their A380's for two reasons.

The first being that it is indeed tacky.

The second being that demand for their business/first class seats will not allow the space for a bar that would result in the loss of some of those seats. (especially on the routes the A380 will fly)

If you do not need such 'gimmicks' to fill your aircraft it is surely economically a no-brainer not to have a bar !

Why 'gild the lily' ?


User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10861 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks?

I'd say no chance. That would be a nice place to get stuck when the elevator breaks down during turbulence.   Also, there is no reason for anyone to change decks, at least if you have jetbridges for the upper deck.


User currently offlineflyba380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10708 times:

Why is it not possible for there to be an elevator?
The L1011 had 2 of them. The galley was situated under the main cabin and the only way down there was through these elevators... (and the escape hatch which was in the aisle of the cabin).


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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 119, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10545 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 21):
From my experience of working on the A380, I feel splitting J between 2 decks will make it messy. This may work on the B747 but not on the A380. Splitting J catering and stores between decks is the main issue. The galleys also look very small.

I actually think that's one of the appeals. I've flown J class on certain planes where the cabin is so big... it lacks a feeling of being upgraded, or having extra privacy or exclusivity. People who pay 5,000 dollars for a ticket would probably prefer privacy etc. Also, smaller cabins will be staffed by different crew, possibly resulting in better service and faster Food/Beverage wait times/collection, etc. I think it's a great idea on their behalf. Would definitely like to be on the upper deck, I have a feeling it might be a tad less cramped than the 2-4-2 arrangement that I've flown on. Sadly, for someone who is 6'3" and broad shouldered, 2-4-2 does feel a little cramped...

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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 120, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10318 times:

Quoting flyba380 (Reply 118):
Why is it not possible for there to be an elevator?
The L1011 had 2 of them. The galley was situated under the main cabin and the only way down there was through these elevators... (and the escape hatch which was in the aisle of the cabin).


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Well first there is the weight issue! A lift would add significant and unnecessary weight to an aircraft. Also if we are to use the Tristar comparison, well the weight issue was probably offset by the revenue earnings gained by relocating the galley under the cabin therefor allowing more seats. Also those lifts where tiny (I know) and could barely fit one slim individual let alone your "standard" westerner! However in this day and age when it's all about maximising revenue with the space available I am pretty sure most airlines would not want to give up the cargo space in the hold like they did on the Tristar, especially not on an A380 when the crew rest facility is already down there!!!!!



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User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9975 times:

Does anyone know in Manston in Kent can take A380s? I note its runway is 2,748m

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 122, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9678 times:

Quoting flyba380 (Reply 118):
Why is it not possible for there to be an elevator?
The L1011 had 2 of them. The galley was situated under the main cabin and the only way down there was through these elevators... (and the escape hatch which was in the aisle of the cabin).

As did many DC-10s. A World Airways flight attendant was killed when a lower-deck galley elevator malfunctioned on a flight from BWI to LGW in 1981. NTSB report here. There's a list of about 10 other DC-10 elevator-related accidents/injuries between 1973 and the date of the report on pages 13/14.
http://www.fss.aero/accident-reports/dvdfiles/US/1981-09-20-US.pdf

In 1997 a DL flight attendant was seriously injured (broken ankle) when an L-1011 galley elevator she was in free-fell from the cabin to the lower-deck galley floor below while the aircraft was taxiing out at CVG for a flight to ATL. Link to the NTSB report near the top (PDF file) of the following summary.
http://www.fss.aero/accident-reports/look.php?report_key=984


User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 116):

I think BA has chosen not to put in a bar on their A380's for two reasons.

The first being that it is indeed tacky.

The second being that demand for their business/first class seats will not allow the space for a bar that would result in the loss of some of those seats. (especially on the routes the A380 will fly)

If you do not need such 'gimmicks' to fill your aircraft it is surely economically a no-brainer not to have a bar !

Why 'gild the lily' ?

Having taken EK JFK-DXB-JFK on the A380 in J a few years back I would say that a bar greatly enhanced the experience. On a flight that long it's nice to be able to get out of the seat and "go" someplace different. Standing around a door or the galley to stretch one's legs is no fun and interferes with others' moving about the cabin.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 124, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 123):

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 116):

I think BA has chosen not to put in a bar on their A380's for two reasons.

The first being that it is indeed tacky.

The second being that demand for their business/first class seats will not allow the space for a bar that would result in the loss of some of those seats. (especially on the routes the A380 will fly)

If you do not need such 'gimmicks' to fill your aircraft it is surely economically a no-brainer not to have a bar !

Why 'gild the lily' ?

Having taken EK JFK-DXB-JFK on the A380 in J a few years back I would say that a bar greatly enhanced the experience. On a flight that long it's nice to be able to get out of the seat and "go" someplace different. Standing around a door or the galley to stretch one's legs is no fun and interferes with others' moving about the cabin.

Conservative is one thing, but not making the flying experience great is another. "To Fly. To Serve." This doesn't quite seem to fit.



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User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8934 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 123):
Having taken EK JFK-DXB-JFK on the A380 in J a few years back I would say that a bar greatly enhanced the experience. On a flight that long it's nice to be able to get out of the seat and "go" someplace different. Standing around a door or the galley to stretch one's legs is no fun and interferes with others' moving about the cabin.


When the SQ A345 was still fitted with Y, there was a kind of "meeting place" (not a formal bar) in the back where Y passengers could get drinks and snacks and stretch for a while. It was very enjoyable on an 18 hour flight to stretch and have a chat with other passengers and crew. It was not unusual for J passengers to join just to get some social interaction.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8915 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 124):
Conservative is one thing, but not making the flying experience great is another. "To Fly. To Serve." This doesn't quite seem to fit.

The problem here is that far too many people have developed "emotional attachments" to their favourite carrier for whatever reason be it they love the livery, they have lots of planes, they fly where they want to go to etc etc etc! These folk then mistake these carriers advertising slogans as real promises! The sad truth is that ALL airlines are nothing more than tools to make profits for their managers, directors and shareholders and any unnecessary "comfort" you expect will simply not be included if it compromises revenue earning space! Why do you think BA introduced its ying-yang club seating? To maximise the amount of club seats it can squeeze in!

The customers expectations beyond a seat from A to B no longer matters. I know it sounds like a bitter rant, nothing of the sort, it's just the reality of modern day economics and the race to the bottom that the airline industry seems to have embraced! Am I surprised BA haven't done anything fancy with their new A380s? I'd have been surprised of they had!!!!!



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User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8420 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 123):
Having taken EK JFK-DXB-JFK on the A380 in J a few years back I would say that a bar greatly enhanced the experience. On a flight that long it's nice to be able to get out of the seat and "go" someplace different. Standing around a door or the galley to stretch one's legs is no fun and interferes with others' moving about the cabin.

Yes and the noise interferes with others trying to work or rest.

Like I said....it is just a matter of personal taste. Also I like the atmosphere on an aircraft to be calm and tranquil.....I certainly don't want to see people stood around a bar drinking alcohol.

It maybe worth remembering that for the vast majority of those travelling FREQUENTLY (£££) in business of first class on BA from London they are on ***business*** or about to commence a days ***business***. One of the reasons why BA's launch of the worlds first flat bed seat was such a success.

As I said in a previous post passenger profiles and requirements are different for all airlines. VS for instance by its own admission goes for a 'rock and roll' style image which attracts a different variety of passenger to that of BA.

Quoting FI642 (Reply 124):
Conservative is one thing, but not making the flying experience great is another. "To Fly. To Serve." This doesn't quite seem to fit.

Hmm...the presence of a bar on board is not high on my list of priorities when choosing which airline to fly with.

In summary I think BA know what they are doing considering all this with respect to having a 'bar' on board.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 128, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8402 times:

I wonder if BA will charge extra for the upper level Y seats. For instance, they charge more for the pair of two seats at the back of the 744s compared to the seats at a three rower.


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User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8134 times:

N.B....to have a bar in one's lounge was fashionable in the U.K circa the early to mid 1970's.

About the same time that it was fashionable to have them on the A380 equivalent of the time i.e the 747.

Now it would be considered to be in very poor taste. (even on a retro level)

[Edited 2013-03-07 01:51:47]

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