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WestJet Charter Between ATL-YHZ?  
User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Anyone know who is chartering this flight?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/W...5/history/20130305/1030Z/KATL/CYHZ

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User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1100 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

not sure, but there's a few flight numbers that look suspect in/out of Halifax today (4000 series flight numbers). Flights involve Orlando and St John's. Maybe a 763 is being chartered (Omni or Atlas?) to clean up after weather problems. Pure speculation.


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User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Thread starter):
Anyone know who is chartering this flight?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/W...5/history/20130305/1030Z/KATL/CYHZ

More Importantly, when did WestJet get B763s?
( I know, it's a FlightAware error or another carrier operating for WestJet.)

[Edited 2013-03-05 03:21:19]

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1984 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 2):
More Importantly, when did WestJet get B763s?

Not yet. It's N378AX of Omni. Perhaps the aircraft is now flying from operating base or following some maintenance to departure point of a charter flight.



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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 3):
Not yet. It's N378AX of Omni. Perhaps the aircraft is now flying from operating base or following some maintenance to departure point of a charter flight.

It's definitely Omni! Sitting at the YHZ Terminal, Gate 24. Possibly there to operate a YYT turn for Westjet, as they have a very significant backlog of passengers due to the YYT WXX/Fog IRROPS this past week.



Last Flight(s): YHZ-YUL-YYC-YVR-YYJ // YYJ-YYZ-YSJ-YHZ.....Next Flight(s):
User currently offlinematt From Canada, joined May 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

A friend of mine just flew YYT-YHZ on the Omni 763 operated on behalf of WS. It was indeec because of the huge backlog between those two cities. The 763 flew in (ferry) from ATL this morning. AC has also added an extra section (E90) between the two cities.


Next flights: YQM-YYZ-YOW v.v. / YQM-CUN v.v. / YQM-YUL-YWG v.v. / YSJ-YYZ-SEA-SFO / SFO-YYZ-YOW-YQM / YQM-YYZ-MUC-TXL /
User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

I saw N378AX at YYT today when I arrived from YYZ on AC.
Indeed the last 4 days were challenging for AC, WS and PD flying into YYT. The fog was very think here and the RVR's were low.
I was stuck in YYZ since Friday coming back from Florida. I know many AC flts did get into YYT, but WS pretty much cancelled everything. I think today is the first day since Friday that a WS a/c landed in YYT.



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User currently offlinematt From Canada, joined May 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

The same Omni 763 is now operating WS4801 between YHZ and MCO on behalf of WS. Maybe some backlog there too?


Next flights: YQM-YYZ-YOW v.v. / YQM-CUN v.v. / YQM-YUL-YWG v.v. / YSJ-YYZ-SEA-SFO / SFO-YYZ-YOW-YQM / YQM-YYZ-MUC-TXL /
User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 800 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Is it a flightaware error or does it really take 2:37 from ATL to YHZ. Seems short to me.


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User currently offlineghYHZ From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 8):
Is it a flightaware error or does it really take 2:37 from ATL to YHZ. Seems short to me.

Delta 4961, a CRJ900 is showing 3 hr 16 min, block to block, Atlanta - Halifax
(it’s a summer only flight)


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

WS yesterday operated quite a few extra sections.

User currently offline3ingreen From Canada, joined Sep 2008, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Nice looking paint job on this bird and refreshing to see her here at YHZ, but to ferry from ATL to YHZ must have been a hefty bill .......must have been the best choice of what was available on short notice ?.....cheers !

User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting 3ingreen (Reply 11):
must have been a hefty bill

Considering that no WS flights landed in YYT between Friday and Monday, I can only imagine the bill from all the hotels and meal vouchers for the thousands of pax trying to get from YYZ/YHZ-YYT.
I flew into YYZ from FLL with my daughter on Friday and it quickly became apparent that I wasn't getting to YYT on my AC employee passes. I couldn't buy a one way ticket on AC until Monday, so I bought one on WS for Saturday night. After that flight cancelled, we were put up in the Crowne Plaza for 2 nights and were given $80 in meal vouchers!
When I called WS the next morning, the agent told me he had no idea when they would be able to get us out on a flt to YYT.
I ended up cancelling my booking with them and booking with AC for over $500 cheaper.
From my understanding, the first WS flt got into YYT on Tuesday.
I'd venture to say WS didn't make too much $$ this past weekend on flts to/from YYT.



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User currently offline3ingreen From Canada, joined Sep 2008, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Good point AC_B777 but when did airlines start to cover hotels and meals for weather related delays / cancellations ?.....unless that is part of the deal for flts south and back ?.....charters

User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Quoting 3ingreen (Reply 13):
Good point AC_B777 but when did airlines start to cover hotels and meals for weather related delays / cancellations ?.....unless that is part of the deal for flts south and back ?.....charters

WestJet pays for passengers' expenses in any case of interruption (I think they call it the "Careantee").


User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Yes, as far as I know, WS covers hotels and meals in cases of flight interruptions. AC did the same thing for most people this week who were stuck in YYZ. Many of the people who I talked to there said AC put them up in hotels and gave meal vouchers.
As mentioned before though, most of the AC mainline flts did get in to YYT. I think all Jazz flts cancelled.



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User currently offlinekiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 14):
WestJet pays for passengers' expenses in any case of interruption (I think they call it the "Careantee").


WHAT!? Seriously? This is unheard of in North America. I should have totally flown WestJet.

Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 15):
Yes, as far as I know, WS covers hotels and meals in cases of flight interruptions. AC did the same thing for most people this week who were stuck in YYZ. Many of the people who I talked to there said AC put them up in hotels and gave meal vouchers.
As mentioned before though, most of the AC mainline flts did get in to YYT. I think all Jazz flts cancelled.

This is not true. I was stuck here trying to go back to Buenos Aires and AC did not cover anything. They said to me that for weather delays and events, they don't give anything. I should have flown WestJet! I know they are better, but this adds one more reason why.


User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 16):
This is not true

I so hope you are not calling me a liar!!
I can assure you AC did pay for accommodations and meals for numerous passengers travelling to/from YYT this past weekend! I talked to many people who were stuck and they all told me AC put them in hotels and gave vouchers.
Typically, no, AC does not give accommodations for weather related delays, but sometimes there are exceptions made, and I guess this past weekend was one of those exceptions.

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 16):
I was stuck here trying to go back to Buenos Aires
Quoting kiramakora (Reply 16):
I should have flown WestJet!

Good luck getting to Buenos Aires on WS!!



In life, some days you are the bug..... some days you are the windshield!
User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

It seems a bit odd to me that WS would charter a 763 to help recover a backlog, rather than just run additional sections with their own NG fleet.

Surely, in a fleet of 100 NG's additional capacity (even just 1 NG) could have been found internally for a day or two.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinethreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1655 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 18):
Surely, in a fleet of 100 NG's additional capacity (even just 1 NG) could have been found internally for a day or two.

Well obviously not, otherwise that's exactly what would have happened. I'm sure that option did not escape the minds of those dealing with the logisitics at the airline.



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User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1618 times:

Neil, I think part of the problem was that there was a snow storm in YYC on the weekend and many a/c were stranded there (this is what I was told by a buddy of mine who works at WS and also by the Res agent at WS). Add the 3 daily sked flts plus the adhoc flts that were all scrubbed between Fri-Mon and that leads to a hell of a lot of people to be moved.
I do agree with you though, I surprised there weren't 1-2 a/c available to help out.
What I find odd is that WS's MCO-YYT flt managed to land on Sat and also their PUJ-YYT flt on Sunday while all their other flts cancelled. Maybe coincidence?!?



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User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Quoting threepoint (Reply 19):
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 18):
Surely, in a fleet of 100 NG's additional capacity (even just 1 NG) could have been found internally for a day or two.

Well obviously not, otherwise that's exactly what would have happened.

No doubt! Still makes it odd. Generally, the larger the airline, the more they can "self-recover" though.

Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 20):
I think part of the problem was that there was a snow storm in YYC on the weekend and many a/c were stranded there (this is what I was told by a buddy of mine who works at WS and also by the Res agent at WS). Add the 3 daily sked flts plus the adhoc flts that were all scrubbed between Fri-Mon and that leads to a hell of a lot of people to be moved.

Makes sense. Well good for spotters at both locs.  



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinekiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 17):
I so hope you are not calling me a liar!!
I can assure you AC did pay for accommodations and meals for numerous passengers travelling to/from YYT this past weekend! I talked to many people who were stuck and they all told me AC put them in hotels and gave vouchers.
Typically, no, AC does not give accommodations for weather related delays, but sometimes there are exceptions made, and I guess this past weekend was one of those exceptions.

I am not calling you a liar. I am telling you of my experience. I was stuck and AC ground support sucked. Now I know why the people flying WestJet were happier.

Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 17):
Good luck getting to Buenos Aires on WS!!

Yes. But next time, I will be sensible enough to fly WestJet to MIA and connect to American Airlines.


User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 22):
Now I know why the people flying WestJet were happier

To be honest, when my WS flt cancelled, I didn't find their customer service to be that much different than AC's.
Yes WS offered hotels/meals, (as did AC in this case) but they could not tell me when my flt would depart. Even when I called their reservation line the following day, the agent said they had "no idea" when they would be able to get us a flt home.
At least with AC they would give you an idea...yes, it might have been two days later, but I would rather know that than have no idea.

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 22):
I will be sensible enough to fly WestJet to MIA and connect to American Airlines

That's great, but if something happens in MIA, will AA take care of you??



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