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Spirit Expands In Houston  
User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9384 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5345 times:

The growth of Spirit continues.

"Starting June 13, 2013, Spirit will operate daily nonstop service between Houston and Denver and between Houston and Detroit.

The new nonstop flight between Denver and Houston continues on to Orlando with same plane service. In addition, the new daily nonstop flight between Houston and Denver complements Spirit's existing one-stop service.

The new daily nonstop service between Detroit and Houston continues on to Dallas/Fort Worth with same plane service."


http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=745269


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User currently offlinetriley1057 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

Wow, they just keep growing and growing at IAH. I wonder how Spirit's new Denver flight will affect Frontier? Also, I am curious if they will soon start flying international from IAH?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25513 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

At the last earnings call they made specific mention they have found that Texas has been a "very strong" market for them and they see good demand and yields. (I presume they are referring both to Dallas and Houston).

They also mentioned they would continue connecting the dots across their network more - exactly what this is.


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User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

As much as NK seems to be adding to IAH, it seems to be adding bits and pieces to DEN as well. A recent airline publication stated that DEN was now NK's 10th largest station in terms of seats available.

So.... I believe that DEN now has 2 flights daily to both DFW and LAS, 1 daily to ORD and FLL, and DTW, then depending..... 1 daily to MSP and AZA (seasonal stuff?) and now 1 daily to IAH. 9 some daily flights makes this NK's 10th largest station?????

Now at IAH, along with the daily to DEN, they also have 2 daily to DFW, and 1 daily to ORD, LAS, MCO, and now DTW for a total of ....... 7 daily flights. I wonder if IAH now ranks in the Top 15 in terms of seats available for NK???

Jokes aside.... all the best to all involved here.

And with NK's lowball operational costs, as well as having some 90% local pax traffic in their system, it's no wonder they can seem to print $$$$$. And if a route/citypair doesn't work out for them pretty quickly, well..... it's a Dear John...., or arrivederci amigo, or sayonara Sam, (or take your pick) eh?

 


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Looks like NK is going the route of point to point instead of the hub and spoke its traditionally had.


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Any competition no matter how small has to help lower the fares from IAH....so you go NK!


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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):

Looks like NK is going the route of point to point instead of the hub and spoke its traditionally had.

They're about to do to WN what WN did to the legacies


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 3):
Now at IAH, along with the daily to DEN, they also have 2 daily to DFW, and 1 daily to ORD, LAS, MCO, and now DTW for a total of ....... 7 daily flights. I wonder if IAH now ranks in the Top 15 in terms of seats available for NK???

IIRC they are starting IAH-LAX also



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User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 7):
IIRC they are starting IAH-LAX also

Yes, in April.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 938 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 6):

Sucks for WN if that is the case, the construction of their new international terminal will start this year. I wonder if WN could respond to NKs move.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9215 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Any chance they'll add IAH-LBE? I guess right now it doesn't seem all that great.

I actually wanted to post this in the thread about Q4 and 2012 earnings for NK. Someone posted how NK stimulates the market, and then someoen else said that's a myth. I'm thinking it's a mix of both, and here's my reasoning.

Consider when they came to LBE. I think their first route was to MYR, and then came FLL, and then MCO and now DFW. PIT just posted their December and year-end results for 2012, and the airport lost traffic; down by roughly 1-200k for the year. LBE is poised to handle some 200k pax this year. Granted, some of those pax are probably folks who have never flown, or at least not since NW or US ceased operations there, but I do think there is some significance to a dip in total traffic at a nearby airport.

I guess it all depends on which markets they serve. I don't necessarily see their LBE service as stimulating a market (Pittsburgh). It is definitely having an impact on the market, but it's not what I would call "stimulating" or generating new traffic overall.

Or... maybe it is. Maybe it's stimulating a "submarket" in the greater PIT area, which is siphoning traffic from the main airport in the region...



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User currently offlinedtwpilot225 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4572 times:
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Im getting really confused with Spirit and DTW. First they add DFW and DEN. Then, they just put out a reduction notice for the DTW pilot base, and rumors are going around saying they will close the base by labor day, and then suddenly they add IAH? I never thought there would be enough demand on a route like that. Also, the DTW-IAH route then continues on to DFW, when there is already a DTW-DFW flight.
I would be interested to see in one year from now if DTW-DEN and DTW IAH are still going

[Edited 2013-03-05 10:09:42]

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 11):
Im getting really confused with Spirit and DTW. First they add DFW and DEN. Then, they just put out a reduction notice for the DTW pilot base, and rumors are going around saying they will close the base by labor day, and then suddenly they add IAH? I never thought there would be enough demand on a route like that. Also, the DTW-IAH route then continues on to DFW, when there is already a DTW-DFW flight.
I would be interested to see in one year from now if DTW-DEN and DTW IAH are still going

I really wish they would add DTW-MSP. Because this is a hub to hub route, DL charges $400+ for nonstops even in off peak periods, and close to $600 during holidays.

If I change planes in ORD or MDW, I can usually save $100, but even $300 round trip for a flight this short is a ripoff.

Last month, the cheapest fare was MSP-APN-DTW; more than half of the passengers on my MSP-APN flight were flying through to DTW , because flying through APN was so much cheaper than a nonstop.



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User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 7):
Quoting point2point (Reply 3):
Now at IAH, along with the daily to DEN, they also have 2 daily to DFW, and 1 daily to ORD, LAS, MCO, and now DTW for a total of ....... 7 daily flights. I wonder if IAH now ranks in the Top 15 in terms of seats available for NK???

IIRC they are starting IAH-LAX also
Quoting stlgph (Reply 8):
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 7):
IIRC they are starting IAH-LAX also

Yes, in April.

Okay, sorry I forgot that one.... so we're now up to ........ 8 ........ flights a day.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
Looks like NK is going the route of point to point instead of the hub and spoke its traditionally had.

Can you blame them? Their quarterly financial reports of late have been fantastic, and the CEO reports some 90% of NK's traffic as being local O&D.

And now going forward, maybe the successful airline model will eventually work its way from hub-and-spoke back to point-to-point? After deregulation, hub-and-spoke seemed to be the successful model, as opposed to point-point, which eventually diminished. Only WN seemed somewhat a hybrid model. Now... some 40 years later, with the best yields being found in local O&D traffic..... will the cycle work it's way back somewhat? With point-to-point now working very well for NK, will other carriers find ways to be creative here by focusing on O&D......??? At least WN has stated that this is what it wants to do with ATL. And will others start following as well?

 


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 13):
And now going forward, maybe the successful airline model will eventually work its way from hub-and-spoke back to point-to-point? After deregulation, hub-and-spoke seemed to be the successful model, as opposed to point-point, which eventually diminished. Only WN seemed somewhat a hybrid model. Now... some 40 years later, with the best yields being found in local O&D traffic..... will the cycle work it's way back somewhat? With point-to-point now working very well for NK, will other carriers find ways to be creative here by focusing on O&D......??? At least WN has stated that this is what it wants to do with ATL. And will others start following as well?

But again, its an apples to oranges comparrison. NK and WN are not DL, AA, and UA. Point to point is great for an almost entirely domestic opperation. Once the international flights start pouring in, a hub and spoke model is a necesity. International flights require more connections and they need those hubs.



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User currently onlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3047 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Not meaning to hijack here, but what is the daily flight count at DFW? Seems NK has flights from coast to coast to/from DFW. Isn't the DFW market considered a "focus city" operation by NK?

Glad to see NK growing in BOTH of TX's largest markets! They're bound to be a factor in pricing for both markets soon, if they aren't already.

[Edited 2013-03-05 15:52:05]


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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Nice to see some action at IAH.

I've never flown with NK and I doubt I ever will, but I enjoy seeing their tales/livery.


User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 15):
what is the daily flight count at DFW?



From the .pdf timetable dated 2/14/13

https://www.spirit.com/content/documents/en-us/timetable14FEB2013.pdf

it shows daily flights at

LAS - 3
ATL, ORD, DEN, FLL, IAH - 2 each
BWI, DTW, RSW, MSY, LGA, MCO. AZA, SAN, TPA - 1 each

for a total of 22 daily flights from this timetable. Not bad.......

I believe more stations/flights are scheduled to be added shortly as well.

 


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25513 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 15):
what is the daily flight count at DFW?

According to the below news story by summer they will be serving 26-cities nonstop from DFW, and low 30'ish daily flight count. (varies as some cities are not daily)

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...adelphia-minneapolis-st-paul.html/

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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3362 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
But again, its an apples to oranges comparrison. NK and WN are not DL, AA, and UA. Point to point is great for an almost entirely domestic opperation. Once the international flights start pouring in, a hub and spoke model is a necesity. International flights require more connections and they need those hubs.

   This is why NK continues to operate a domestic-to-international (and vice-versa) hub at FLL, though with the transition to the ULCC model, it hasn't proved as successful as Ben Baldanza first envisioned during his first attempt with US.


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2682 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
But again, its an apples to oranges comparrison. NK and WN are not DL, AA, and UA. Point to point is great for an almost entirely domestic opperation. Once the international flights start pouring in, a hub and spoke model is a necesity. International flights require more connections and they need those hubs.

Quite true, however if they wanted to cherry pick some high-yield routes with plentiful O&D from various cities, they could in theory stay closer to the p2p model. Routes that can work with or without feed, like IAH-CUN or FLL-seemingly anywhere in Central America (or whatever works for them - though I confess I know nothing of the yield of those examples). Once they start chasing high yield, thinner routes, they'll have to shift their network to adapt, like everybody else that's survived.


User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

I love seeing NK expand in Dallas and Houston (or anywhere for that matter). While I may or may not ever fly them, I'm always open to more competition and enjoy seeing the airlines compete on routes.

I hope they continue to grow DFW and IAH. I believe they will be able to start making an impact at some point if they can get enough frequencies going.

I also think they will do well from both of these cities to Mexican and Central American destinations. DFW-SJD starts this summer and when you are looking at approximately half the price of AA for a 2 hour flight, it's hard not to pick them over AA unless you are a diehard fan. I hope they also expand the same way out of IAH and give United a "run for its money" (at least some competition and choices).... I say this as an ardent UA supporter (United Club Card Holder).



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User currently offlinecompensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 12):
I really wish they would add DTW-MSP. Because this is a hub to hub route, DL charges $400+ for nonstops even in off peak periods, and close to $600 during holidays.

I ponder if there's a market; for many years UA's carried a tremendous amount of NW employee traffic between DTW & MSP via ORD on cheap, oblique Priceline fares -- the sole remaining mainline flight in each direction was a guarantee, but it's soon disappearing (primarily flown with the 757 & 739 for many years, and now downgraded to a CR7).

And it was nice when NK flew DTW-ORD -- tickets were frequently less than $30 (inclusive!) and you got your own row. (No wonder it didn't last...)

If you're seeking cheap DTW-MSP tickets, try LAN-MSP. Easier terminal access negates much of the commute, and tickets frequently sell for less than $200. And whatever SY's cheapest fare is, bid $30-$50 less on Priceline and it'll be accepted.



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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3521 times:
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Maybe add some secondary markets after they cherry pick the others. SBN-DFW maybe.

User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting triley1057 (Reply 1):
Also, I am curious if they will soon start flying international from IAH?

Spirit has been at IAH from the beginning of their Houston operation. Frontier moved back to IAH a few months ago after a stint at HOU.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2406 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 24):
Spirit has been at IAH from the beginning of their Houston operation. Frontier moved back to IAH a few months ago after a stint at HOU.


Not to come across as a smarta$$, but what is your point? If you read the thread it is clearly stated where Frontier and Spirit have operations in Houston.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting compensateme (Reply 22):
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 12):
I really wish they would add DTW-MSP. Because this is a hub to hub route, DL charges $400+ for nonstops even in off peak periods, and close to $600 during holidays.

I ponder if there's a market; for many years UA's carried a tremendous amount of NW employee traffic between DTW & MSP via ORD on cheap, oblique Priceline fares -- the sole remaining mainline flight in each direction was a guarantee, but it's soon disappearing (primarily flown with the 757 & 739 for many years, and now downgraded to a CR7).

And it was nice when NK flew DTW-ORD -- tickets were frequently less than $30 (inclusive!) and you got your own row. (No wonder it didn't last...)

If you're seeking cheap DTW-MSP tickets, try LAN-MSP. Easier terminal access negates much of the commute, and tickets frequently sell for less than $200. And whatever SY's cheapest fare is, bid $30-$50 less on Priceline and it'll be accepted.

The only reason I don't do LAN-MSP is because I fly to the Detroit area (Birmingham) to visit my parents, who are in their late 70s. If I were to use LAN, my parents would need to drive Birmingham-LAN-Birmingham to pick me up, then make the same long drive to drop me off a few days later. This is a real hassle for them, especially because Dad, like most older people, is not as good a driver as he thinks he is. Yes, I could rent a car, but a four or five day car rental, plus gasoline, will negate much of the savings of using LAN over DTW or FNT.



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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 25):
Not to come across as a smarta$$, but what is your point? If you read the thread it is clearly stated where Frontier and Spirit have operations in Houston.

Well, you do come across that way, so thanks. I was answering this question:

Quoting triley1057 (Reply 1):

And in fact, NOBODY answered the question Re: F9. No need to be rude.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 27):
Well, you do come across that way, so thanks. I was answering this question:



I apologize however; the question if I read correctly was in reference to international flying from IAH and nothing to do with HOU. Thus my not so rude question about your point!

So I will take a stab at the question and say, IMHO Spirit won't start international flights from IAH this year but should soon if they continue to grow right under UA's eye.



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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 28):
IMHO Spirit won't start international flights from IAH this year but should soon if they continue to grow right under UA's eye.

I don't disagree there. I think some Mexico a la their DFW Mexico flights will happen over time.



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User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2682 posts, RR: 9
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 29):
I think some Mexico a la their DFW Mexico flights will happen over time.

   Seconded. It's likely a matter of when, not if.


User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know what their future bookings/loads are looking like on the pending DFW-SJD route?


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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

NK could make a killing at IAH with flights to Mexico and I think there are opportunities beyond the traditional beach markets. UA fares to cities like BJX, AGU, MLM, TAM, VER, etc... are ridiculously expensive. NK's fares could create new travelers and compete with the bus agencies.

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 32):
UA fares to cities like BJX, AGU, MLM, TAM, VER, etc... are ridiculously expensive. NK's fares could create new travelers and compete with the bus agencies.


UA fares from IAH are ridiculous to any destination across the board and that is why IAH needs NK and others to populate the sky over north Houston.



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