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Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU  
User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5309 times:

What are the chances aa will start Mco to Gru.
I know aa has 3 to 4 flights a day to Gru from Mia
those flight are always full with pax connecting
from Mco. If the demand is there why not start it?

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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Quoting mia305 (Thread starter):
What are the chances aa will start Mco to Gru.

Slim to none. No yield. They will let LATAM/JJ operate it and code share.

[Edited 2013-03-05 15:37:52]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7804 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

MCO-GRU is a massive market.

That said, AA will never start it. The market is entirely GRU/Brazil originating, the yields are garbage, and MCO is not an AA hub.



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Not even with a 767 or possibly a 757?

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33272 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 3):
Not even with a 767 or possibly a 757?

No.

AA already flew MCOGRU for a short time in the late-1990's to little success. The market is significantly larger now, but the yields still significantly suck.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Same reason no US airline operates MCO-Europe.

Again a large market, but its virtually all made up of inbound tourist.



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User currently offlinelucky777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
The market is entirely GRU/Brazil originating, the yields are garbage, and MCO is not an AA hub.

But unless those originating GRU passengers plan on vacationing in MCO permanently, would they not need to also fly back home at some point?


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 6):

What it means is that the origin part of the trip is GRU not MCO. It is brazilians traveling to MCO, not the other way around.


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Well I know that with the flights that aa has from Mia to Gru have connecting
pax from Mco those flights are over sold or leave full leaving behind a lot of bags & pax.

That said I think with the proper planning and investment I think AA
can make it work.


User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

AA on ORD-MCO the day DL starts ORD-WAW.

User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 6):
But unless those originating GRU passengers plan on vacationing in MCO permanently, would they not need to also fly back home at some point?

They do go home - through MIA. As others have said above, the yield doesn't cut it for AA. MCO isn't a hub. If someone wants to take AA, they'll have to connect. JJ ops non-stop. AA has a lot on its plate, and isn't about to complicate things with a low-yield, long haul route from a non-hub, especially when a partner already operates it.


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

Not to mention that on the recent DOT Brazil frequency applications, AA asked for GRU-LAX and GRU-ORD, no mention of MCO whatsoever.

I personally don't think yields are all that trashy, but it does not fit AA's business plan.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Slim to none. MCO-GRU, while a large market, is low yield. Also, AA carries a decent amount of passengers from MCO-MIA-GRU anyway, why decrease the number of connecting passengers on MIA-GRU? Lastly, this doesn't fit AA's cornerstone strategy (whether that's still in effect or not I don't know) of focusing on key markets: DFW, ORD, MIA, LAX, JFK, and presumably CLT, PHL, and PHX after the merger is completed. These markets can handle the vast majority of passengers that AA caters to.

Jeremy


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Same reason no US airline operates MCO-Europe.

Again a large market, but its virtually all made up of inbound tourist.

That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.

With a favorable exchange rate and more cargo than capacity. Yes, I'm sure the cargo lift to MCO is huge...but once again, not something LATAM dosent already have covered. Plus its not like MIA is far.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.

Its actually a bit different -

Hawaii was always a historic gateway to Japan(and broader Pacific nations) since prop days. Plus you have the fact that bilaterals were rather limited and provided few service point options to access a market like Japan.

Orlando-South America nor Orlando-Europe provide any of such similarities.



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4307 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 8):
That said I think with the proper planning and investment I think AA
can make it work.

Read what people are saying on here. The yields are allegedly terrible. Why start up a new route that nobody is willing to pay a profitable fare for AA to fly? It also doesn't make any sense for them to start a new international route from a city that isn't even close to a focus city for them.


User currently offlineMcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4236 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 3):
...or possibly a 757?

A 757-200 wouldn't make it. Besides that fact, AA is looking to get rid of all of them.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
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With LATAM's TAM flying MCO to GRU its likely AA will code share on TAM flights but that going to be it.

User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

BTW, I received a letter from TAM stating various changes to their FF program starting June. Can we see them joining One World by that time?

User currently offlineprchan From Brazil, joined Jul 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

This route also does not require daily flights all year. The peak season for Brazilians is between Dec-Mar and July. JJ operated GRU-MCO and GIG-MCO daily on A332, but will suspend GIG-MCO for a few months.
Being JJ in the same alliance as AA, codesharing would make the most sense.


User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

dont forget it would take 2 aircraft for this route maybe if it took 1 plane they could make it work.

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Again a large market, but its virtually all made up of inbound tourist.

There maybe a market for the flights from South America to MCO, but I doubt if there is much of one year round.
What is wrong with connecting through MIA?

Quoting mia305 (Thread starter):
I know aa has 3 to 4 flights a day to Gru from Mia
those flight are always full with pax connecting
from Mco. If the demand is there why not start it?

I don't think everybody on those flights to South America are coming from MCO. Maybe they maybe connecting through MIA where AA already seems to have a large funnel to South America?



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User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
I don't think everybody on those flights to South America are coming from MCO. Maybe they maybe connecting through MIA where AA already seems to have a large funnel to South America?

From what I've read on here, there's a substantial amount of local O&D on the MIA-South America flights, which is why they're so lucrative to AA. The connecting traffic is just icing on the cake.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
What is wrong with connecting through MIA?

Nothing is wrong about it. In fact, on AA, connecting in MIA gives MCO bound passengers more options (CNF, BSB, MAO, GIG...etc).


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33272 posts, RR: 71
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 21):
dont forget it would take 2 aircraft for this route maybe if it took 1 plane they could make it work.

Doesn't require two aircraft. No premium traffic to speak of, so can be a daylight in one direction easily.

In fact, I think when AA last flew MCOGRU, it was indeed a daylight in one direction, but I could be wrong.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 23):
From what I've read on here, there's a substantial amount of local O&D on the MIA-South America flights, which is why they're so lucrative to AA. The connecting traffic is just icing on the cake.

that is what I was talking about but the OP was specifically talking about coming to and from MCO not MIA.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 24):

Nothing is wrong about it. In fact, on AA, connecting in MIA gives MCO bound passengers more options (CNF, BSB, MAO, GIG...etc).

Another reason why AA should not try a MCO flight to South America, as it is too far for what amounts to holiday traffic.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6528 posts, RR: 9
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.

Hawaii -Japan fares are not low yield,


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

AA tried MCO-GRU back in Spring 2000. It didn't last, but certainly an interesting add for AA at MCO.


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User currently offlineMIflyer12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Delta is going to have a few low-J-count 767-300ERs. Maybe they can give it a try - and capture some people who don't want to fly north to ATL to connect.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.

Its actually a bit different -

Hawaii was always a historic gateway to Japan(and broader Pacific nations) since prop days. Plus you have the fact that bilaterals were rather limited and provided few service point options to access a market like Japan.

Yes but those arguments are largely invalid now as HNL hasn't been the primary gateway between Asia and North America for decades, and U.S.-Japan is now Open Skies, yet U.S. carriers still seem to find the Japan-Hawaii market profitable even with the weak Japanese economic situation for quite a few years.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 29):

Delta is going to have a few low-J-count 767-300ERs. Maybe they can give it a try - and capture some people who don't want to fly north to ATL to connect.

They would probably not do it for the same reason AA isn't, which is, they are in the business to make money and Orlando isn't a strategic international gateway for them. If they were able to secure additional GRU slots, Orlando would not take precedence over ATL, JFK, DTW.

The only US airline I can imagine operating this is B6 - but they would need the proper equipment to make it work profitably.


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