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OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10376 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3O VNC-CMN APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.6 NOV 0>0.5

4O LAS-MTY APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3

*AA CRW-LGA JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0
*AA MIA-SAN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Moment of silence for the fallen hub...R.I.P.
*AA SJU-ANU APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-DOM APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-EIS APR 4>0 MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 4>0 NOV 4>0
*AA SJU-FDF APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-PTP APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-PUJ APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0
*AA SJU-SDQ APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
*AA SJU-SKB APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-STI APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA SJU-STT APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
*AA SJU-STX APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0

AC FLL-YUL MAY 1.5>1.4 JUN 1.7>1.6 SEP 1.6>1.3 OCT 1.6>1.4
AC FLL-YYZ SEP 1.7>1.5 OCT 1.8>1.6
AC LAX-YUL SEP 3>1.8 OCT 2>1.7
AC SEA-YYZ OCT 1.6>1.4
AC SFO-YYZ OCT 5>4

AF MIA-PAP NOV 0>0.7

AM FAT-GDL NOV 0.1>0.4
AM JFK-MEX JUN 5>4
*AM LAX-CUN JUN 0>0.5 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.1
AM LAX-GDL MAY 1.1>1.3
*AM LAX-HUX JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
AM MIA-MEX MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
AM ORD-MEX MAY 1.8>3
AM SAT-MTY MAY 0.9>1.0
AM SMF-GDL MAY 0.5>0.7

BW FLL-KIN NOV 1.9>1.0
BW FLL-MBJ NOV 0.9>0
BW FLL-POS MAY 0.9>0.7 JUN 0.9>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.7
BW JFK-KIN APR 2>1.7 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.7 JUL 2>1.7 AUG 2>1.7 SEP 2>1.7 OCT 2>1.7

CI HNL-TPE JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3

DE SJU-FRA NOV 0>0.2

DL ATL-AGS JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9
DL ATL-BHM JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10
DL ATL-CHS JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
DL ATL-ECP JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
DL ATL-GUA JUN 1.8>1.9 JUL 2>3 AUG 1.4>1.5
DL ATL-MXP AUG 0.4>0.2
Amazing a route like that can't work in July???
*DL ATL-ONT JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
DL ATL-SAV JUL 11>10
DL ATL-SEA JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8
DL ATL-VCE AUG 0.5>0.3
DL DTW-BTV JUL 5>4
*DL DTW-MEX OCT 1.0>2 NOV 0.9>1.9
DL DTW-MSN JUL 8>7
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2
DL DTW-PVD JUL 8>7
*DL JFK-GEO MAY 0.6>0.1 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0
DL JFK-STI JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL JFK-ZRH AUG 1.0>0.4
DL LAX-ANC JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.5
*DL LAX-GEG SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
DL LGA-BOS JUL 14>13
DL LGA-DCA JUL 12>11
DL LGA-ORD JUL 13>12
DL MSP-TVC JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL SEA-KIX OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.6

FJ LAX-SBA JUN 0.2>0.1 OCT 0.1>0.0

*FL AUS-SJD JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.2

HA HNL-BNE SEP 0.4>0.6 OCT 0.5>0.6
HA HNL-SYD SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3
*HA HNL-TPE JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.4

KL IAD-AMS JUL 1.3>1.4 AUG 1.3>1.5

LA JFK-LIM OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0
LA JFK-SCL JUN 1.0>0
LA LAX-LIM OCT 1.9>1.6
LA MHC-PMC APR 0.5>0 MAY 0.6>0 JUN 0.6>0 JUL 0.5>0 AUG 0.6>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0
LA MIA-LIM OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3
LA MIA-PUJ OCT 0.3>0.1 NOV 0.3>0.2
LA SFO-LIM APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 OCT 1.1>0.5 NOV 1.2>0.6

LJ GUM-ICN APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

LW ABQ-LAM APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3
LW CNM-ELP APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

NH ORD-NRT JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
*NH SEA-NRT APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*NH SJC-NRT APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

PD BOS-YTZ MAY 7>6
PD EWR-YTZ MAY 12>11 JUN 12>11 SEP 12>11 OCT 12>11 NOV 12>11
PD IAD-YTZ APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
PD MDW-YTZ JUL 6>7

QR ORD-DOH APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.7

TA DFW-SAL APR 1.0>0.8
TA MIA-GUA APR 1.0>0.9
TA MIA-TGU APR 1.0>0.8

UA CLE-MCO AUG 2>1.4 SEP 2>1.4
UA CLE-MSY AUG 0.7>0.3 SEP 0.7>0.2
UA DEN-ASE OCT 7>5 NOV 7>5
UA DEN-FAT SEP 3>4
UA DEN-LAR MAY 2>3
UA EWR-FLL NOV 7>8
UA EWR-LAS NOV 7>6
UA EWR-PDX SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2
UA IAD-CAE SEP 4>3
UA IAH-ABQ NOV 5>4
UA IAH-CRP JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7
UA IAH-JAX NOV 4>3
UA IAH-LAS JUL 9>8
UA IAH-LBB JUL 4>3
UA IAH-LFT NOV 10>8
UA IAH-MOB JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
UA IAH-PHL SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
UA IAH-PNS NOV 5>4
UA IAH-RIC JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
UA IAH-SAN NOV 6>5
UA IAH-SAV JUL 1.9>1.0 AUG 2>1.2
UA IAH-SEA NOV 6>5
UA IAH-TUS JUL 3>4
UA IAH-YYZ SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA LAX-IAH SEP 13>12 OCT 13>12 NOV 13>11
UA LAX-SEA JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA LAX-SLC SEP 3>1.9 OCT 3>1.9 NOV 3>1.7
UA ORD-BOS JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11
UA ORD-CHS JUL 5>4
UA ORD-GSO JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
UA ORD-LAX JUL 13>12
UA ORD-MDT SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5
UA ORD-MKE JUL 9>10 AUG 9>10 SEP 9>10 OCT 9>10 NOV 9>10
UA ORD-PNS AUG 0.9>0.5
UA ORD-SAN NOV 5>4
UA ORD-SEA NOV 6>5
UA ORD-YVR NOV 4>3
UA SFO-LAX JUN 14>15 JUL 14>15
UA SFO-MCI SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA SFO-ORD NOV 15>13
UA SFO-PVR JUL 0.4>0.5
UA SFO-SEA JUL 8>9 AUG 8>10

US BOS-LGA MAY 14>13
US CLT-CAK JUN 6>7
US CLT-DUB SEP 0.1>0.9 OCT 0>0.1
US CLT-MAD SEP 0.1>0.7
US CLT-MHT APR 1.0>1.7
US CLT-ORF JUN 8>10
US CLT-SRQ JUN 2>4
US CLT-SYR APR 3>4
US DCA-ALB JUN 3>4
US DCA-BGR JUN 2>3
US DCA-MHT JUN 3>4
US DCA-PBI JUN 4>2
US DCA-PIT JUN 5>6
US DCA-RSW JUN 0.2>1.0
US DCA-YHZ JUN 0.2>0.3
US DCA-YUL JUN 2>1.8
US PHL-BDL JUN 7>8
US PHL-EWR JUN 7>6
US PHL-PVD JUN 7>8
US PHL-ROC JUN 7>6
US PHL-SNN SEP 0.1>0.9
US PHX-LAS JUN 8>7
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6
US PHX-SNA JUN 7>5

WG FLL-YYZ APR 0.4>0.2
WG LAS-YYZ MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
WG MCO-YYZ APR 0.7>0.5 MAY 0.3>0.1

WP HNL-KOA APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0
WP HNL-OGG APR 4>1.1 MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2 AUG 4>2 SEP 4>2 OCT 4>2 NOV 4>2
WP KOA-HNL APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0
WP KOA-OGG APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP LIH-HNL MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
WP LIH-OGG APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP LNY-OGG APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
WP OGG-HNL APR 4>0.5 MAY 4>1.0 JUN 4>1.0 JUL 4>1.0 AUG 4>1.0 SEP 4>1.0 OCT 4>1.0 NOV 4>1.0
WP OGG-KOA APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP OGG-LIH APR 1.0>0.5
WP OGG-LNY APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

ZK DEN-DIK JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
ZK DEN-ISN JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
ZK DIK-ISN JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2
ZK FOD-MCW APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
ZK LAX-MCE APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7
ZK MCE-VIS APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0
ZK PGA-PHX APR 0.7>1.7 MAY 0.7>1.7 JUN 0.7>1.7 JUL 0.7>1.7 AUG 0.7>1.7 SEP 0.7>1.7 OCT 0.7>1.7 NOV 0.7>1.7

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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10269 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0

Interesting. AA drops another one of its long thin routes from DFW to the southeast (and to a military market, at that, where AA focused upon for a while), but picks up another.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-AGS JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9

Gets a 2nd daily mainline flight in June at the expense of 2 CRJs (2x A319, 7 CRJ)
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-BHM JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10
DL ATL-CHS JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-SAV JUL 11>10

Looks like they bumped up aircraft size to give roughtly the same capacity on fewer flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Amazing a route like that can't work in July???
*DL ATL-ONT JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0

This route was gone, then came back, now gone again from the schedule.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-MEX OCT 1.0>2 NOV 0.9>1.9

Goes to 1x A320 in June, then goes to 2x A319 starting in July. First time this route has been 2x daily, possibly ever.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-MSN JUL 8>7

Bumps up to all 2-class RJs and mainline. Roughly the same net capacity on fewer flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2

This route has not been more than 1x daily since when NW operated the route in 2006. Finally they have a morning departure, afternoon return in addition to the red-eye.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PVD JUL 8>7

Gets 2 CRJ-900s in place of 3 CRJ-200s. First time they have had 2-class aircraft on this route in awhile.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-TVC JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

Added an additional CRJ flight to now what will be 1x M88, 3x CRJ during the peak summer travel period. DTW-TVC gets 1x 320, 7x CRJ. ATL-TVC is returning this year as Sat-only CR9 which hasn't been flown in a few years. LGA-TVC operates 1x Fri, 3x Sat service on CR7s.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10041 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1):

Yes, but you ignore CRW lost LGA in the 3-way trade. Not exactly showing commitment to CRW. Kinda of like "what are we trying next?" Might also start to see some political schedule moves to grease the wheels at Dept of Justice for the merger.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):

Your additional detail is very helpful.  


User currently offlinepshifrin From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9972 times:

WV gets no love from the NYC area yet again. Remember when US had non stop LGA-LWB? That was so great for our company but had a load factor of like 2 people per flight.

User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9869 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Yes, but you ignore CRW lost LGA in the 3-way trade. Not exactly showing commitment to CRW. Kinda of like "what are we trying next?" Might also start to see some political schedule moves to grease the wheels at Dept of Justice for the merger.

Yeah, I didn't quite know what to make of dropping the LGA flight and adding DFW. That doesn't make much sense to me, even though I know the connecting options are obviously significant for the DFW frequency. Nonstop flights to LGA from anywhere in the eastern U.S. are a precious commodity, though. I figured I'd let someone else try and explain that one to us.   


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9777 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0

Interesting. AA drops another one of its long thin routes from DFW to the southeast (and to a military market, at that, where AA focused upon for a while), but picks up another.

CSG could possibly come back with flights to CLT after the merger (US has flown CLT-CSG before) but I fully expect CRW-DFW to be a dud. If AA wants to seriously compete in CRW they need multiple daily flights to their most logical hub, ORD.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9472 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

THey moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good?



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11640 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9358 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA CRW-LGA JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

Interesting, but probably logical. DFW is a longer flight, but also offers a vast amount of connections while LGA is virtually all O&D. Plus, east-bound AA CRW travelers will be served via CLT and DCA soon.


User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 890 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9363 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

Cutting one of the highest demand summer routes? Out of aircraft? Crews? Or...?



My statements do not represent my former employer or my current employer and are my opinions only.
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9313 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):

THey moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good?

I doubt it--that was probably the original intention to start it Summer 2013



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9299 times:

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 9):

could be a seasonal change. maybe..



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23023 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9249 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 6):
If AA wants to seriously compete in CRW they need multiple daily flights to their most logical hub, ORD.

Umm . . . AA will be the largest carrier in the CRW market--and the only carrier with more than 2 daily flights to multiple hubs--the day the merger closes. Moreover, UA has made a single daily IAH-CRW work for years, even before the merger when it was the only CO flight to CRW.



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9009 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PHL SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4

This route was notoriously packed in the PMCO days. I once saw an upgrade list of ~50 paxs after F was already full. I understand UA can now route paxs through additional hubs but it's interesting to see this route go down to 4x daily and see smaller aircraft like A319/320s instead of 738/739s.


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9004 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2

This route has not been more than 1x daily since when NW operated the route in 2006. Finally they have a morning departure, afternoon return in addition to the red-eye.

I didn't catch this until I read your post. Things looking are looking good for DL at PDX, it seems. I'm sure they'll love the extra seats to the east!


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 13):
I understand UA can now route paxs through additional hubs

It really has nothing to do with that--IAH was the only non coastal hub to grow since the merger while ORD/DEN were reduced.



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User currently onlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8779 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-FAT SEP 3>4

Extends the summer frequency increase by another month. Possibly UA reaction to F9 starting DEN-FAT (lower fare matching may be stimulating the market for UA). But we will see if there will be a future change extending the higher frequency again past Sept or not.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ZK LAX-MCE APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7
ZK MCE-VIS APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0

This is changes due to ZK closing LAS. Aircraft had been running a semi-circle routing of LAX-VIS-MCE-LAS and return. Looks like now it will be LAX-VIS-LAX and LAX-MCE-LAX individually instead of the old shared routing.



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8664 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
It really has nothing to do with that--IAH was the only non coastal hub to grow since the merger while ORD/DEN were reduced.

IAH has grown? I thought after the whole WN international terminal at HOU debacle UA has steadily reduced IAH. Relatively speaking, it is still a major hub


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8633 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 17):

They upgauged alot of routes to bigger aircraft and increased frequencies in some areas.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 17):
IAH has grown? I thought after the whole WN international terminal at HOU debacle UA has steadily reduced IAH. Relatively speaking, it is still a major hub

Yes, until said incident



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User currently offlinewhatusaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8204 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-FAT SEP 3>4

Extends the summer frequency increase by another month. Possibly UA reaction to F9 starting DEN-FAT (lower fare matching may be stimulating the market for UA). But we will see if there will be a future change extending the higher frequency again past Sept or not.

Their load factors are running mid 90's....in the dead of winter. Maybe F9 entering the market actually prompted someone at UA to look at this route they love to ignore? Nah, I doubt that either. We'll take the 4th to DEN, but would prefer IAH or ORD.


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7980 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6
US PHX-SNA JUN 7>5

small surprise? Phoenicians usually head to the SoCal coast in droves in June!


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US CLT-DUB SEP 0.1>0.9 OCT 0>0.1
US CLT-MAD SEP 0.1>0.7

Jumping the gun year over year. I wonder if this is a testament to the strength of these routes, and maybe a hint at the possibility of them surviving the merger.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA MIA-SAN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6

Coincidence, or am I grasping at straws in thinking these are related as US and AA route planning start thinking about route synergies and PHX right-sizing?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2

Gosh, I remember when this was a seasonal weekday-only route on NW. Another great add for PDX! *ETA: Interesting to note that the change is DL adding an A320 noontime eastbound departure, upgauging the red-eye to a 757 through Labor Day. Then it reverts to the A320 red-eye only, losing the noontime flight.

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

Cutting one of the highest demand summer routes? Out of aircraft? Crews? Or...?

Looks like it's swapping a frequency with EWR.

[Edited 2013-03-06 13:22:35]


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

*rubs hands together* Here we go!

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1):
Interesting. AA drops another one of its long thin routes from DFW to the southeast (and to a military market, at that, where AA focused upon for a while), but picks up another.

I would dearly hope that CRW-DFW is more of a market than CSG-DFW. I say I hope, but I know it is. Based on all of the other air service CRW has in comparison to CSG, I'd say it's going to be a better.

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Yes, but you ignore CRW lost LGA in the 3-way trade. Not exactly showing commitment to CRW. Kinda of like "what are we trying next?

They had ORD and it did fine until they pulled themselves off the GDS systems.

Quoting pshifrin (Reply 4):
WV gets no love from the NYC area yet again. Remember when US had non stop LGA-LWB? That was so great for our company but had a load factor of like 2 people per flight.

AA should have never been the airline to pick up New york from CRW. It would have made worlds more sense for US or DL to do LGA.. or CO/UA to EWR.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Yeah, I didn't quite know what to make of dropping the LGA flight and adding DFW. That doesn't make much sense to me, even though I know the connecting options are obviously significant for the DFW frequency. Nonstop flights to LGA from anywhere in the eastern U.S. are a precious commodity, though.
Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 6):
CSG could possibly come back with flights to CLT after the merger (US has flown CLT-CSG before) but I fully expect CRW-DFW to be a dud. If AA wants to seriously compete in CRW they need multiple daily flights to their most logical hub, ORD.

Are you serious right now or uninformed? We've had IAH service for years now and it seems to be doing just fine. I believe you underestimate the synergies and business connections between CRW and Texas. AVL, that's not directed at you, I can't get you removed from the quote.


25 usairways85 : It's only a few week extension at the end of the season. US is doing the same for PHL-SNN
26 mhkansan : Interesting to see CRW switch to DFW service in JUN. It was always a very odd route for AA to fly ex-LGA. CSG really ought to have three flights a da
27 silentbob : Madrid will benefit from the eventual conversion to One World, I think that will eventually be a year round route from CLT.
28 AVLAirlineFreq : Undoubtedly. Even with the military traffic, CSG suffers dearly from its proximity to ATL. It was just interesting to me to see AA drop another long
29 mtnwest1979 : They haven't flown into ELP for a long spell. I was there yesterday and that El Paso ticket lobby is fairly quiet. I remember when they did fly there
30 PHX787 : I obviously understand the sad loss of SEA and SJC but was the second ORD flight a 787 too? Same with this.... Is this now a 772?
31 Post contains links AeroWesty : 77W. Simple web search reveals: http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/2012/121225.html
32 EddieDude : Whoa! AM going from less than 2 daily to 3 daily on MEX-ORD during May. That is cool. I recently booked flights to ORD in May and as far as I remembe
33 usflyer msp : Yes I am serious. The energy industry (i.e Coal and Natural Gas) is in IAH not DFW and AA does not offer enough frequency for high-yield travellers h
34 flyinryan99 : The schedule on aa.com has them with 07:20 / 16:35 departures and 16:00 / 21:45 arrivals. That begs the question in my mind...who might be getting a
35 bobloblaw : No comments on the big ZK pull down in DIK and ISN? Down to 2 daily with ISN losing the nonstop to DEN.
36 enilria : No idea. I'd think it is just as much a Summer market as a Winter market. Why not do both? WV is so political it just makes me wonder... Let's always
37 COflyerBOS : UA cuts 17 more flights from IAH. Cannot believe PDX is down to 3 flights this summer. And no Avensa, this isn't a seasonal cut. This is a peak season
38 AVENSAB727 : Right....How do you know that this is even a massacre... you don't work for UNITED. Geee, every change that UA makes to IAH is met with whining here.
39 Cubsrule : Which coal companies have significant operations in Houston? Never mind the 10 daily flights to other hubs . . .
40 SANFan : Could this be related to the start of CLE-PDX for the summer? There's not much local traffic in the market so perhaps they are testing to see if CLE
41 Post contains links usflyer msp : According to the American Coal Council Membership Directory: http://www.americancoalonline.com/ACC_2012_Membership_Directory-LR.pdf There are five me
42 compensateme : It is. NW inaugurated the route with a 320, but downgauged it to the 319 when they were added into the fleet, and it's been operated with that type e
43 wn676 : It's a decrease of about 250 seats. The 6-flight schedule is two A320s and four A321s.
44 Post contains images FlyingSicilian : A couple IIRC, though the expanding natural gas market (and some fracking) is what is new right now in West by God Virginia. Maybe AA is after all th
45 joeman : If I were travelling BUF, PIT, or any other east coast city-PDX on UA with a necessary stop, yes, CLE would be a hellava lot more acceptable as a con
46 SANFan : Now that I've had a chance to look at the skeds, it does appear that the morning duplication flight -- one of the two 6:30-ish departures out of SAN
47 enilria : Not to step into this debate, but shorter routes need and usually get more frequency. I think the anger toward Houston is ebbing. I'm told that Houst
48 AVENSAB727 : I think so too, once the anger as ebbed away, UA will grow IAH.
49 MaverickM11 : I wonder if the anger is ebbing or UA has realized castrating themselves doesn't do much of anything to Houston. It reminds me of the 30 Rock finale
50 AVENSAB727 : For once I agree with you, UA is finally realizing its mistake, and looks like they will try to fix it.
51 wn676 : I was using their current spring break schedule, which I guess isn't a totally accurate comparison. YOY it's a 218-seat reduction (which is slightly
52 Post contains images enilria : I think you might be giving them too much credit. Also, nobody ever frowns at cutting capacity in the ivory towers of airline CEOs...or Wall Street.
53 AVENSAB727 : Well at least UA is getting over it, and could get back on track on IAH.
54 SANFan : Ummm, I think maybe we're ALL pretty close... Anyway, the main point here is that there IS a decrease in the seats in a couple of good-sized markets
55 enilria : Exactly and they did the same thing in PHX-SNA and also 1 LAS. Any time there is a two frequency move it raises my radar. Agreed. I think as long as
56 BoeingGuy : This concerns me that NH apparently thinks the 787 will be unavailable through August. I assume it's a refection of that, and NH is still committed t
57 RWA380 : This is just sad, less than 10 flights a day? I know it's being discussed in another thread, I just did not realize it was this bad.
58 Cubsrule : Yup, but the IAH-CRW flight predates any significant fracking activity in the eastern United States by a decade or more. This notion that IAH-CRW is
59 kcrwflyer : The IAH flight has its roots in Dow and I believe McJunkin/Redman (Worlds largest supplier of energy related drilling pipe, fittings, and other drill
60 Post contains images wn676 : No, we have to argue the exact seat count! It should be pointed out that all the PHX-SAN flights will be operating with the connecting flow on east-w
61 usflyer msp : It is far from silly. It is a safe assumption that any long, thin 1x daily flight from IAH most likely has significant demand from the energy industr
62 FWAERJ : Three of those cities (EVV, FWA, and MSN) already have service to another oil city, DFW, on AA (Eagle). And I can also say that neither EVV, FWA, or
63 AVENSAB727 : FINALLY, I hope IAH will see some new routes soon and growth. I hope the consultant has some really good ideas.
64 kcrwflyer : I wouldn't call CRW-IAH a coal flight, but energy is definitely a big part of it. If you took at look at the fares on that route, it's a little easie
65 Cubsrule : Have a look at XE's Mexico route map, and let's talk. There's not a whole lot of energy production in most of the low-frequency Mexico cities XE serv
66 FWAERJ : I wouldn't say that it's that fast. I go to the I-465 north/Keystone area of Indy every few months (for non-aviation purposes), and it takes about tw
67 FWAERJ : First off, ExpressJet's IATA code is now EV (ASA's former code), but your fact is solid and remains. You could also say the same thing about Eagle, t
68 Cubsrule : I know. We had been talking about the past, so I was thinking the past. And to me, EV is still Acey . . .
69 knope2001 : I guess maybe it's that nobody is surprised. One wonders how well they'll do in ND even with the sharply reduced schedule. Last August, Great Lakes h
70 Post contains links and images SurfandSnow : What is so special about West Virginia?!? AA appears to be much more committed to making WV work than states like Idaho, Maine and Rhode Island, that
71 USAirALB : I find it interesting that you bring this up. While yes, CLT and ATL support the same traffic flows, CLT has always had the ability to support mainli
72 slcdeltarumd11 : I think thats just because of how strong US is in the northeast its almost all connections. US has been historically strong in the northeast for alon
73 BoeingGuy : This isn't a blow to SJC. The flight operated about four days and then was suspended due to the 787 grounding. NH isn't discontinuing, but apparently
74 SCL767 : LAN will continue to operate the SCL-JFK route daily on a year-round basis. LAN will continue to operate LIM-LAX 13x weekly year-round. The LIM-LAX r
75 HPRamper : How much of the HA traffic is US-based and how much is foreign-based, on the other end of those Pacific routes? With all the HA routes being started,
76 EricR : CLT has always had the ability to support mainline service to most cities in the Northeast (ALB, SYR, BUF, ROC, PVD, PWM, etc..) even when DL could on
77 EddieDude : Yes, ATL-MEX sees a hodge podge of planes. I have seen anything from A319 to 757 hehe. The 73Ws are very nice though. I flew MEX-DTW-LGA / EWR-DTW-ME
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