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OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7727 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3O VNC-CMN APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.6 NOV 0>0.5

4O LAS-MTY APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3

*AA CRW-LGA JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0
*AA MIA-SAN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Moment of silence for the fallen hub...R.I.P.
*AA SJU-ANU APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-DOM APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-EIS APR 4>0 MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 4>0 NOV 4>0
*AA SJU-FDF APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-PTP APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-PUJ APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0
*AA SJU-SDQ APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
*AA SJU-SKB APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-STI APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA SJU-STT APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
*AA SJU-STX APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0

AC FLL-YUL MAY 1.5>1.4 JUN 1.7>1.6 SEP 1.6>1.3 OCT 1.6>1.4
AC FLL-YYZ SEP 1.7>1.5 OCT 1.8>1.6
AC LAX-YUL SEP 3>1.8 OCT 2>1.7
AC SEA-YYZ OCT 1.6>1.4
AC SFO-YYZ OCT 5>4

AF MIA-PAP NOV 0>0.7

AM FAT-GDL NOV 0.1>0.4
AM JFK-MEX JUN 5>4
*AM LAX-CUN JUN 0>0.5 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.1
AM LAX-GDL MAY 1.1>1.3
*AM LAX-HUX JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
AM MIA-MEX MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
AM ORD-MEX MAY 1.8>3
AM SAT-MTY MAY 0.9>1.0
AM SMF-GDL MAY 0.5>0.7

BW FLL-KIN NOV 1.9>1.0
BW FLL-MBJ NOV 0.9>0
BW FLL-POS MAY 0.9>0.7 JUN 0.9>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.7
BW JFK-KIN APR 2>1.7 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.7 JUL 2>1.7 AUG 2>1.7 SEP 2>1.7 OCT 2>1.7

CI HNL-TPE JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3

DE SJU-FRA NOV 0>0.2

DL ATL-AGS JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9
DL ATL-BHM JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10
DL ATL-CHS JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
DL ATL-ECP JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
DL ATL-GUA JUN 1.8>1.9 JUL 2>3 AUG 1.4>1.5
DL ATL-MXP AUG 0.4>0.2
Amazing a route like that can't work in July???
*DL ATL-ONT JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
DL ATL-SAV JUL 11>10
DL ATL-SEA JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8
DL ATL-VCE AUG 0.5>0.3
DL DTW-BTV JUL 5>4
*DL DTW-MEX OCT 1.0>2 NOV 0.9>1.9
DL DTW-MSN JUL 8>7
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2
DL DTW-PVD JUL 8>7
*DL JFK-GEO MAY 0.6>0.1 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0
DL JFK-STI JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL JFK-ZRH AUG 1.0>0.4
DL LAX-ANC JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.5
*DL LAX-GEG SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
DL LGA-BOS JUL 14>13
DL LGA-DCA JUL 12>11
DL LGA-ORD JUL 13>12
DL MSP-TVC JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL SEA-KIX OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.6

FJ LAX-SBA JUN 0.2>0.1 OCT 0.1>0.0

*FL AUS-SJD JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.2

HA HNL-BNE SEP 0.4>0.6 OCT 0.5>0.6
HA HNL-SYD SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3
*HA HNL-TPE JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.4

KL IAD-AMS JUL 1.3>1.4 AUG 1.3>1.5

LA JFK-LIM OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0
LA JFK-SCL JUN 1.0>0
LA LAX-LIM OCT 1.9>1.6
LA MHC-PMC APR 0.5>0 MAY 0.6>0 JUN 0.6>0 JUL 0.5>0 AUG 0.6>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0
LA MIA-LIM OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3
LA MIA-PUJ OCT 0.3>0.1 NOV 0.3>0.2
LA SFO-LIM APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 OCT 1.1>0.5 NOV 1.2>0.6

LJ GUM-ICN APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

LW ABQ-LAM APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3
LW CNM-ELP APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

NH ORD-NRT JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
*NH SEA-NRT APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*NH SJC-NRT APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

PD BOS-YTZ MAY 7>6
PD EWR-YTZ MAY 12>11 JUN 12>11 SEP 12>11 OCT 12>11 NOV 12>11
PD IAD-YTZ APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
PD MDW-YTZ JUL 6>7

QR ORD-DOH APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.7

TA DFW-SAL APR 1.0>0.8
TA MIA-GUA APR 1.0>0.9
TA MIA-TGU APR 1.0>0.8

UA CLE-MCO AUG 2>1.4 SEP 2>1.4
UA CLE-MSY AUG 0.7>0.3 SEP 0.7>0.2
UA DEN-ASE OCT 7>5 NOV 7>5
UA DEN-FAT SEP 3>4
UA DEN-LAR MAY 2>3
UA EWR-FLL NOV 7>8
UA EWR-LAS NOV 7>6
UA EWR-PDX SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2
UA IAD-CAE SEP 4>3
UA IAH-ABQ NOV 5>4
UA IAH-CRP JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7
UA IAH-JAX NOV 4>3
UA IAH-LAS JUL 9>8
UA IAH-LBB JUL 4>3
UA IAH-LFT NOV 10>8
UA IAH-MOB JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
UA IAH-PHL SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
UA IAH-PNS NOV 5>4
UA IAH-RIC JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
UA IAH-SAN NOV 6>5
UA IAH-SAV JUL 1.9>1.0 AUG 2>1.2
UA IAH-SEA NOV 6>5
UA IAH-TUS JUL 3>4
UA IAH-YYZ SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA LAX-IAH SEP 13>12 OCT 13>12 NOV 13>11
UA LAX-SEA JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA LAX-SLC SEP 3>1.9 OCT 3>1.9 NOV 3>1.7
UA ORD-BOS JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11
UA ORD-CHS JUL 5>4
UA ORD-GSO JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
UA ORD-LAX JUL 13>12
UA ORD-MDT SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5
UA ORD-MKE JUL 9>10 AUG 9>10 SEP 9>10 OCT 9>10 NOV 9>10
UA ORD-PNS AUG 0.9>0.5
UA ORD-SAN NOV 5>4
UA ORD-SEA NOV 6>5
UA ORD-YVR NOV 4>3
UA SFO-LAX JUN 14>15 JUL 14>15
UA SFO-MCI SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA SFO-ORD NOV 15>13
UA SFO-PVR JUL 0.4>0.5
UA SFO-SEA JUL 8>9 AUG 8>10

US BOS-LGA MAY 14>13
US CLT-CAK JUN 6>7
US CLT-DUB SEP 0.1>0.9 OCT 0>0.1
US CLT-MAD SEP 0.1>0.7
US CLT-MHT APR 1.0>1.7
US CLT-ORF JUN 8>10
US CLT-SRQ JUN 2>4
US CLT-SYR APR 3>4
US DCA-ALB JUN 3>4
US DCA-BGR JUN 2>3
US DCA-MHT JUN 3>4
US DCA-PBI JUN 4>2
US DCA-PIT JUN 5>6
US DCA-RSW JUN 0.2>1.0
US DCA-YHZ JUN 0.2>0.3
US DCA-YUL JUN 2>1.8
US PHL-BDL JUN 7>8
US PHL-EWR JUN 7>6
US PHL-PVD JUN 7>8
US PHL-ROC JUN 7>6
US PHL-SNN SEP 0.1>0.9
US PHX-LAS JUN 8>7
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6
US PHX-SNA JUN 7>5

WG FLL-YYZ APR 0.4>0.2
WG LAS-YYZ MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
WG MCO-YYZ APR 0.7>0.5 MAY 0.3>0.1

WP HNL-KOA APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0
WP HNL-OGG APR 4>1.1 MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2 AUG 4>2 SEP 4>2 OCT 4>2 NOV 4>2
WP KOA-HNL APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0
WP KOA-OGG APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP LIH-HNL MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
WP LIH-OGG APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP LNY-OGG APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
WP OGG-HNL APR 4>0.5 MAY 4>1.0 JUN 4>1.0 JUL 4>1.0 AUG 4>1.0 SEP 4>1.0 OCT 4>1.0 NOV 4>1.0
WP OGG-KOA APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP OGG-LIH APR 1.0>0.5
WP OGG-LNY APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

ZK DEN-DIK JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
ZK DEN-ISN JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
ZK DIK-ISN JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2
ZK FOD-MCW APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
ZK LAX-MCE APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7
ZK MCE-VIS APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0
ZK PGA-PHX APR 0.7>1.7 MAY 0.7>1.7 JUN 0.7>1.7 JUL 0.7>1.7 AUG 0.7>1.7 SEP 0.7>1.7 OCT 0.7>1.7 NOV 0.7>1.7

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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10465 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0

Interesting. AA drops another one of its long thin routes from DFW to the southeast (and to a military market, at that, where AA focused upon for a while), but picks up another.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7775 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10306 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-AGS JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9

Gets a 2nd daily mainline flight in June at the expense of 2 CRJs (2x A319, 7 CRJ)
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-BHM JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10
DL ATL-CHS JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-SAV JUL 11>10

Looks like they bumped up aircraft size to give roughtly the same capacity on fewer flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Amazing a route like that can't work in July???
*DL ATL-ONT JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0

This route was gone, then came back, now gone again from the schedule.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-MEX OCT 1.0>2 NOV 0.9>1.9

Goes to 1x A320 in June, then goes to 2x A319 starting in July. First time this route has been 2x daily, possibly ever.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-MSN JUL 8>7

Bumps up to all 2-class RJs and mainline. Roughly the same net capacity on fewer flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2

This route has not been more than 1x daily since when NW operated the route in 2006. Finally they have a morning departure, afternoon return in addition to the red-eye.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PVD JUL 8>7

Gets 2 CRJ-900s in place of 3 CRJ-200s. First time they have had 2-class aircraft on this route in awhile.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-TVC JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

Added an additional CRJ flight to now what will be 1x M88, 3x CRJ during the peak summer travel period. DTW-TVC gets 1x 320, 7x CRJ. ATL-TVC is returning this year as Sat-only CR9 which hasn't been flown in a few years. LGA-TVC operates 1x Fri, 3x Sat service on CR7s.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7727 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10237 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1):

Yes, but you ignore CRW lost LGA in the 3-way trade. Not exactly showing commitment to CRW. Kinda of like "what are we trying next?" Might also start to see some political schedule moves to grease the wheels at Dept of Justice for the merger.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):

Your additional detail is very helpful.  


User currently offlinepshifrin From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10168 times:

WV gets no love from the NYC area yet again. Remember when US had non stop LGA-LWB? That was so great for our company but had a load factor of like 2 people per flight.

User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10065 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Yes, but you ignore CRW lost LGA in the 3-way trade. Not exactly showing commitment to CRW. Kinda of like "what are we trying next?" Might also start to see some political schedule moves to grease the wheels at Dept of Justice for the merger.

Yeah, I didn't quite know what to make of dropping the LGA flight and adding DFW. That doesn't make much sense to me, even though I know the connecting options are obviously significant for the DFW frequency. Nonstop flights to LGA from anywhere in the eastern U.S. are a precious commodity, though. I figured I'd let someone else try and explain that one to us.   


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9973 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0

Interesting. AA drops another one of its long thin routes from DFW to the southeast (and to a military market, at that, where AA focused upon for a while), but picks up another.

CSG could possibly come back with flights to CLT after the merger (US has flown CLT-CSG before) but I fully expect CRW-DFW to be a dud. If AA wants to seriously compete in CRW they need multiple daily flights to their most logical hub, ORD.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9668 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

THey moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good?



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9554 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA CRW-LGA JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

Interesting, but probably logical. DFW is a longer flight, but also offers a vast amount of connections while LGA is virtually all O&D. Plus, east-bound AA CRW travelers will be served via CLT and DCA soon.


User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 981 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9559 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

Cutting one of the highest demand summer routes? Out of aircraft? Crews? Or...?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):

THey moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good?

I doubt it--that was probably the original intention to start it Summer 2013



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9495 times:

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 9):

could be a seasonal change. maybe..



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 6):
If AA wants to seriously compete in CRW they need multiple daily flights to their most logical hub, ORD.

Umm . . . AA will be the largest carrier in the CRW market--and the only carrier with more than 2 daily flights to multiple hubs--the day the merger closes. Moreover, UA has made a single daily IAH-CRW work for years, even before the merger when it was the only CO flight to CRW.



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3475 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9205 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PHL SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4

This route was notoriously packed in the PMCO days. I once saw an upgrade list of ~50 paxs after F was already full. I understand UA can now route paxs through additional hubs but it's interesting to see this route go down to 4x daily and see smaller aircraft like A319/320s instead of 738/739s.


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9200 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2

This route has not been more than 1x daily since when NW operated the route in 2006. Finally they have a morning departure, afternoon return in addition to the red-eye.

I didn't catch this until I read your post. Things looking are looking good for DL at PDX, it seems. I'm sure they'll love the extra seats to the east!


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9188 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 13):
I understand UA can now route paxs through additional hubs

It really has nothing to do with that--IAH was the only non coastal hub to grow since the merger while ORD/DEN were reduced.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5848 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-FAT SEP 3>4

Extends the summer frequency increase by another month. Possibly UA reaction to F9 starting DEN-FAT (lower fare matching may be stimulating the market for UA). But we will see if there will be a future change extending the higher frequency again past Sept or not.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ZK LAX-MCE APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7
ZK MCE-VIS APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0

This is changes due to ZK closing LAS. Aircraft had been running a semi-circle routing of LAX-VIS-MCE-LAS and return. Looks like now it will be LAX-VIS-LAX and LAX-MCE-LAX individually instead of the old shared routing.



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3475 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8860 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
It really has nothing to do with that--IAH was the only non coastal hub to grow since the merger while ORD/DEN were reduced.

IAH has grown? I thought after the whole WN international terminal at HOU debacle UA has steadily reduced IAH. Relatively speaking, it is still a major hub


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8829 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 17):

They upgauged alot of routes to bigger aircraft and increased frequencies in some areas.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8621 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 17):
IAH has grown? I thought after the whole WN international terminal at HOU debacle UA has steadily reduced IAH. Relatively speaking, it is still a major hub

Yes, until said incident



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User currently offlinewhatusaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8400 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-FAT SEP 3>4

Extends the summer frequency increase by another month. Possibly UA reaction to F9 starting DEN-FAT (lower fare matching may be stimulating the market for UA). But we will see if there will be a future change extending the higher frequency again past Sept or not.

Their load factors are running mid 90's....in the dead of winter. Maybe F9 entering the market actually prompted someone at UA to look at this route they love to ignore? Nah, I doubt that either. We'll take the 4th to DEN, but would prefer IAH or ORD.


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8176 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6
US PHX-SNA JUN 7>5

small surprise? Phoenicians usually head to the SoCal coast in droves in June!


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4154 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US CLT-DUB SEP 0.1>0.9 OCT 0>0.1
US CLT-MAD SEP 0.1>0.7

Jumping the gun year over year. I wonder if this is a testament to the strength of these routes, and maybe a hint at the possibility of them surviving the merger.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA MIA-SAN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6

Coincidence, or am I grasping at straws in thinking these are related as US and AA route planning start thinking about route synergies and PHX right-sizing?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8103 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2

Gosh, I remember when this was a seasonal weekday-only route on NW. Another great add for PDX! *ETA: Interesting to note that the change is DL adding an A320 noontime eastbound departure, upgauging the red-eye to a 757 through Labor Day. Then it reverts to the A320 red-eye only, losing the noontime flight.

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

Cutting one of the highest demand summer routes? Out of aircraft? Crews? Or...?

Looks like it's swapping a frequency with EWR.

[Edited 2013-03-06 13:22:35]


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

*rubs hands together* Here we go!

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1):
Interesting. AA drops another one of its long thin routes from DFW to the southeast (and to a military market, at that, where AA focused upon for a while), but picks up another.

I would dearly hope that CRW-DFW is more of a market than CSG-DFW. I say I hope, but I know it is. Based on all of the other air service CRW has in comparison to CSG, I'd say it's going to be a better.

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Yes, but you ignore CRW lost LGA in the 3-way trade. Not exactly showing commitment to CRW. Kinda of like "what are we trying next?

They had ORD and it did fine until they pulled themselves off the GDS systems.

Quoting pshifrin (Reply 4):
WV gets no love from the NYC area yet again. Remember when US had non stop LGA-LWB? That was so great for our company but had a load factor of like 2 people per flight.

AA should have never been the airline to pick up New york from CRW. It would have made worlds more sense for US or DL to do LGA.. or CO/UA to EWR.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Yeah, I didn't quite know what to make of dropping the LGA flight and adding DFW. That doesn't make much sense to me, even though I know the connecting options are obviously significant for the DFW frequency. Nonstop flights to LGA from anywhere in the eastern U.S. are a precious commodity, though.
Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 6):
CSG could possibly come back with flights to CLT after the merger (US has flown CLT-CSG before) but I fully expect CRW-DFW to be a dud. If AA wants to seriously compete in CRW they need multiple daily flights to their most logical hub, ORD.

Are you serious right now or uninformed? We've had IAH service for years now and it seems to be doing just fine. I believe you underestimate the synergies and business connections between CRW and Texas. AVL, that's not directed at you, I can't get you removed from the quote.


User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3475 posts, RR: 7
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 22):
Jumping the gun year over year. I wonder if this is a testament to the strength of these routes, and maybe a hint at the possibility of them surviving the merger.

It's only a few week extension at the end of the season. US is doing the same for PHL-SNN


User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8081 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA CRW-LGA JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0

Interesting to see CRW switch to DFW service in JUN. It was always a very odd route for AA to fly ex-LGA.

CSG really ought to have three flights a day. Its full of military traffic. I have no idea why this is going away.

If anything, the timings were very poor with no RON aircraft in CSG.

And now I've got to go to SJU before the ATRs are gone forever!!!


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8071 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 22):
Jumping the gun year over year. I wonder if this is a testament to the strength of these routes, and maybe a hint at the possibility of them surviving the merger.

Madrid will benefit from the eventual conversion to One World, I think that will eventually be a year round route from CLT.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7921 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 24):
I would dearly hope that CRW-DFW is more of a market than CSG-DFW. I say I hope, but I know it is. Based on all of the other air service CRW has in comparison to CSG, I'd say it's going to be a better.

Undoubtedly. Even with the military traffic, CSG suffers dearly from its proximity to ATL.

It was just interesting to me to see AA drop another long thin route from DFW, particularly one that started at around the same time as several others with military-related traffic, and then add one. (Didn't mean to imply in my original post that the two were necessarily related, as CSG is considerably different than CRW.)

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 24):
AA should have never been the airline to pick up New york from CRW. It would have made worlds more sense for US or DL to do LGA.. or CO/UA to EWR.

Indeed. At least there are opportunities for multiple connections on either of those.


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7619 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LW ABQ-LAM APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3
LW CNM-ELP APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

They haven't flown into ELP for a long spell. I was there yesterday and that El Paso ticket lobby is fairly quiet. I remember when they did fly there their counter at the far end of the lobby.
I think that the only route left in NM is the ABQ-CNM run. I really wonder if they ARE going to start Los Alamos?



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7982 posts, RR: 19
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NH ORD-NRT JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
*NH SEA-NRT APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*NH SJC-NRT APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

I obviously understand the sad loss of SEA and SJC but was the second ORD flight a 787 too?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
QR ORD-DOH APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.7

Same with this.... Is this now a 772?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
was the second ORD flight a 787 too?

77W. Simple web search reveals:

http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/2012/121225.html



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7061 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM ORD-MEX MAY 1.8>3

Whoa! AM going from less than 2 daily to 3 daily on MEX-ORD during May. That is cool. I recently booked flights to ORD in May and as far as I remember only two dailies were available for booking on the dates of my outbound and return legs. AM has been playing a bit with my schedules on flights AM 0686 and 0687... I guess it may have to do with the addition of more flights. Wonder what the schedule of the new flights looks like.



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 24):
Are you serious right now or uninformed? We've had IAH service for years now and it seems to be doing just fine. I believe you underestimate the synergies and business connections between CRW and Texas. AVL, that's not directed at you, I can't get you removed from the quote.

Yes I am serious. The energy industry (i.e Coal and Natural Gas) is in IAH not DFW and AA does not offer enough frequency for high-yield travellers heading beyond DFW. Combine that with the economics of a 1000 mile CRJ flight = dud.


User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2032 posts, RR: 14
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 26):
If anything, the timings were very poor with no RON aircraft in CSG.

The schedule on aa.com has them with 07:20 / 16:35 departures and 16:00 / 21:45 arrivals.

That begs the question in my mind...who might be getting a new RON with an ERD?


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

No comments on the big ZK pull down in DIK and ISN? Down to 2 daily with ISN losing the nonstop to DEN.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7727 posts, RR: 15
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6500 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

THey moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good?

No idea. I'd think it is just as much a Summer market as a Winter market.

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
Interesting, but probably logical. DFW is a longer flight, but also offers a vast amount of connections while LGA is virtually all O&D.

Why not do both? WV is so political it just makes me wonder...

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
Yes, until said incident

Let's always refer to it just like that. It'll be like on LOST. "Everything on the island was going well until THE INCIDENT, then the future was altered".

Quoting BD338 (Reply 21):
small surprise? Phoenicians usually head to the SoCal coast in droves in June!

I thought the reductions on SAN/SNA/LAS were a bit odd. I have no doubt those routes suck with WN pressure, but why cut two RTs now?

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 22):
Jumping the gun year over year. I wonder if this is a testament to the strength of these routes, and maybe a hint at the possibility of them surviving the merger.

Shortening the season is a testament? I can't believe they will be there post-merger.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 22):
Coincidence, or am I grasping at straws in thinking these are related as US and AA route planning start thinking about route synergies and PHX right-sizing?

They definitely aren't doing it in concert or they would be risking very serious charges, but both sides probably know what the network should look like at the end of the merger and can move independently toward that.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 27):
Madrid will benefit from the eventual conversion to One World, I think that will eventually be a year round route from CLT.

The way things are going I'm not sure MAD and FCO will still be hubs.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
I obviously understand the sad loss of SEA and SJC but was the second ORD flight a 787 too?
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 31):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
was the second ORD flight a 787 too?

77W. Simple web search reveals:

They probably are aircraft short from backfilling 787s on other routes.


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

UA cuts 17 more flights from IAH.

Cannot believe PDX is down to 3 flights this summer. And no Avensa, this isn't a seasonal cut. This is a peak season massacre year over year.


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6381 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 37):

Right....How do you know that this is even a massacre... you don't work for UNITED. Geee, every change that UA makes to IAH is met with whining here. EWR is 3x daily PDX flights as well.

[Edited 2013-03-06 19:03:15]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 33):
The energy industry (i.e Coal and Natural Gas) is in IAH not DFW

Which coal companies have significant operations in Houston?

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 33):
and AA does not offer enough frequency for high-yield travellers heading beyond DFW.

Never mind the 10 daily flights to other hubs . . .



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

Could this be related to the start of CLE-PDX for the summer? There's not much local traffic in the market so perhaps they are testing to see if CLE is an acceptable alternate connecting point to IAH.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6

I would want to see an equip comparison between the 8-flight schedule and the 6-flight one. I know that at least one of the current r/t in the market is an RJ. (Although about half of them currently have op'd with A321s.)

We also, like many west coast US stations, have 2 flights every morning (around 6:30) that op 5 minutes apart. (Even though one has always been an A321.) Maybe that strategy will be ending?

bb


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
Which coal companies have significant operations in Houston?

According to the American Coal Council Membership Directory: http://www.americancoalonline.com/ACC_2012_Membership_Directory-LR.pdf

There are five member HQs in the Houston area while there is one HQ in Dallas and one HQ in San Antonio.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
Never mind the 10 daily flights to other hubs . . .

US and AA are not anywhere even close to merged yet (and the CRW-DFW flight starts at least one year before any sort of integration might happen) so those US flights don't mean anything to AA....


User currently offlinecompensateme From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Goes to 1x A320 in June, then goes to 2x A319 starting in July. First time this route has been 2x daily, possibly ever.

It is. NW inaugurated the route with a 320, but downgauged it to the 319 when they were added into the fleet, and it's been operated with that type ever since. Under the NW umbrella, sans a few peak periods, loads didn't warrant even a DC-9-30, although premium demand & length kept the flight a 319.

DL's reluctance to streamline its product is a big pet peeve of mine. ATL-MEX is primarily flown with the 73G (with upgrades to 73H & 75X during peak periods) and yet the 90-minute longer, and nearly 5-hour flight time, DTW-MEX sees the inferior product. There's also a scheduled surge in West Coast flying from DTW operated with ex-NW aircraft ... something DL attempts to avoid from ATL.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5874 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 40):
I would want to see an equip comparison between the 8-flight schedule and the 6-flight one. I know that at least one of the current r/t in the market is an RJ. (Although about half of them currently have op'd with A321s.)

It's a decrease of about 250 seats. The 6-flight schedule is two A320s and four A321s.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
Which coal companies have significant operations in Houston?

A couple IIRC, though the expanding natural gas market (and some fracking) is what is new right now in West by God Virginia.

Maybe AA is after all that new BigXII traffic from WVU  



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User currently offlinejoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 40):
Could this be related to the start of CLE-PDX for the summer? There's not much local traffic in the market so perhaps they are testing to see if CLE is an acceptable alternate connecting point to IAH.

If I were travelling BUF, PIT, or any other east coast city-PDX on UA with a necessary stop, yes, CLE would be a hellava lot more acceptable as a connecting point than IAH or even ORD or DEN for that matter


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5000 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 43):
It's a decrease of about 250 seats. The 6-flight schedule is two A320s and four A321s.

Now that I've had a chance to look at the skeds, it does appear that the morning duplication flight -- one of the two 6:30-ish departures out of SAN -- as well as the CRJ in the afternoon are missing from the June sched. The second 6:30am flight has usually been a 320 so I think a 215-seat reduction (150 + 65) is more like it.

In any case, it is interesting to think about why and I can't help but agree with those who feel that an early "merger" adjustment to the PHX operation might be behind this decrease in seats between PHX and SAN (and the other markets mentioned as well.)

SAN-PHX has not in the past been subject to any large seasonal flux by either WN or US. It's a good-sized market -- generally the second largest out of SAN and the 4th largest out of Sky Harbor -- with lots of local traffic in both directions plus many connecting pax on both cx.

bb


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7727 posts, RR: 15
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4979 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 38):
Right....How do you know that this is even a massacre... you don't work for UNITED. Geee, every change that UA makes to IAH is met with whining here. EWR is 3x daily PDX flights as well.

Not to step into this debate, but shorter routes need and usually get more frequency.

I think the anger toward Houston is ebbing. I'm told that Houston's consultant is now allowed in the Willis Tower. That's a good sign, LOL.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 40):
I would want to see an equip comparison between the 8-flight schedule and the 6-flight one. I know that at least one of the current r/t in the market is an RJ. (Although about half of them currently have op'd with A321s.)
Quoting wn676 (Reply 43):
It's a decrease of about 250 seats. The 6-flight schedule is two A320s and four A321s.

The missing trips vs. what was previously filed is a 321 and a CRJ.


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 47):

I think so too, once the anger as ebbed away, UA will grow IAH.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4940 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 47):
I think the anger toward Houston is ebbing. I'm told that Houston's consultant is now allowed in the Willis Tower. That's a good sign, LOL.

I wonder if the anger is ebbing or UA has realized castrating themselves doesn't do much of anything to Houston. It reminds me of the 30 Rock finale where no one was paying attention to Jenna Maroney's tantrum.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 40):

Could this be related to the start of CLE-PDX for the summer? There's not much local traffic in the market so perhaps they are testing to see if CLE is an acceptable alternate connecting point to IAH.

They target such different regions that I can't imagine one 'replaces' the other.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 49):

For once I agree with you, UA is finally realizing its mistake, and looks like they will try to fix it.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 4
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 47):

The missing trips vs. what was previously filed is a 321 and a CRJ.
Quoting SANFan (Reply 46):
The second 6:30am flight has usually been a 320 so I think a 215-seat reduction (150 + 65) is more like it.

I was using their current spring break schedule, which I guess isn't a totally accurate comparison. YOY it's a 218-seat reduction (which is slightly skewed because the 321s have been reconfigured), but going off of what was previously filed, it's 237.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7727 posts, RR: 15
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 49):
I wonder if the anger is ebbing or UA has realized castrating themselves doesn't do much of anything to Houston
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 50):
For once I agree with you, UA is finally realizing its mistake, and looks like they will try to fix it.

I think you might be giving them too much credit. Also, nobody ever frowns at cutting capacity in the ivory towers of airline CEOs...or Wall Street.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 49):
It reminds me of the 30 Rock finale where no one was paying attention to Jenna Maroney's tantrum.

Now I'm sad for remembering there will never be another episode.  ((

Quoting wn676 (Reply 51):
I was using their current spring break schedule, which I guess isn't a totally accurate comparison. YOY it's a 218-seat reduction (which is slightly skewed because the 321s have been reconfigured), but going off of what was previously filed, it's 237.

Well, you could compare to the month before, the month after, the previously filed data, or the prior year...and they are all different. So, I'm sure we are both right!


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 52):

Well at least UA is getting over it, and could get back on track on IAH.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 52):
Well, you could compare to the month before, the month after, the previously filed data, or the prior year...and they are all different. So, I'm sure we are both right.

Ummm, I think maybe we're ALL pretty close...

Anyway, the main point here is that there IS a decrease in the seats in a couple of good-sized markets out of PHX in June and I know I will be watching carefully to see what happens next. Is this an indicator of the future or something else...

bb


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7727 posts, RR: 15
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 54):
Anyway, the main point here is that there IS a decrease in the seats in a couple of good-sized markets out of PHX in June and I know I will be watching carefully to see what happens next. Is this an indicator of the future or something else...

Exactly and they did the same thing in PHX-SNA and also 1 LAS. Any time there is a two frequency move it raises my radar.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 53):
Quoting enilria (Reply 52):

Well at least UA is getting over it, and could get back on track on IAH.

Agreed. I think as long as nothing else catches on fire in the press, it is largely finally over.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NH SEA-NRT APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*NH SJC-NRT APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

This concerns me that NH apparently thinks the 787 will be unavailable through August. I assume it's a refection of that, and NH is still committed to SJC and SEA.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WP HNL-KOA APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0
WP HNL-OGG APR 4>1.1 MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2 AUG 4>2 SEP 4>2 OCT 4>2 NOV 4>2
WP KOA-HNL APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0
WP KOA-OGG APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP LIH-HNL MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
WP LIH-OGG APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP LNY-OGG APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
WP OGG-HNL APR 4>0.5 MAY 4>1.0 JUN 4>1.0 JUL 4>1.0 AUG 4>1.0 SEP 4>1.0 OCT 4>1.0 NOV 4>1.0
WP OGG-KOA APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP OGG-LIH APR 1.0>0.5
WP OGG-LNY APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

This is just sad, less than 10 flights a day? I know it's being discussed in another thread, I just did not realize it was this bad.



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 44):
though the expanding natural gas market (and some fracking) is what is new right now in West by God Virginia.

Yup, but the IAH-CRW flight predates any significant fracking activity in the eastern United States by a decade or more. This notion that IAH-CRW is a "coal flight" or an "energy flight" is just silly. The coal industry is very geographically diffuse and to the extent it's centered anywhere, that center is far north of Houston (the two largest US coal producers--Peabody and Arch Coal--are both headquartered in Saint Louis).



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User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 58):
Yup, but the IAH-CRW flight predates any significant fracking activity in the eastern United States by a decade or more. This notion that IAH-CRW is a "coal flight" or an "energy flight" is just silly. The coal industry is very geographically diffuse and to the extent it's centered anywhere, that center is far north of Houston (the two largest US coal producers--Peabody and Arch Coal--are both headquartered in Saint Louis).

The IAH flight has its roots in Dow and I believe McJunkin/Redman (Worlds largest supplier of energy related drilling pipe, fittings, and other drilling services)


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 4
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 54):
Ummm, I think maybe we're ALL pretty close...

Anyway, the main point here is that there IS a decrease in the seats in a couple of good-sized markets out of PHX in June and I know I will be watching carefully to see what happens next. Is this an indicator of the future or something else...

No, we have to argue the exact seat count!  

It should be pointed out that all the PHX-SAN flights will be operating with the connecting flow on east-west banks only come June; the two flights lost currently operate during west-east banks. The same goes for SNA while LAS retains only one of these flights.



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 58):
This notion that IAH-CRW is a "coal flight" or an "energy flight" is just silly.

It is far from silly. It is a safe assumption that any long, thin 1x daily flight from IAH most likely has significant demand from the energy industry. CRW is only the 156th largest metro area in the country. IAH does not have service to many closer, larger and wealthier cities like LNK, EVV, MSN, and FWA so something has to support such a flight...


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 61):
IAH does not have service to many closer, larger and wealthier cities like LNK, EVV, MSN, and FWA so something has to support such a flight...

Three of those cities (EVV, FWA, and MSN) already have service to another oil city, DFW, on AA (Eagle). And I can also say that neither EVV, FWA, or MSN have much in the way of oil/gas production or refining, though FWA-DFW (and maybe one or both of the others as well) has a lot of people connecting out west and to Mexico.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 55):

FINALLY, I hope IAH will see some new routes soon and growth. I hope the consultant has some really good ideas.



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User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 61):
It is far from silly. It is a safe assumption that any long, thin 1x daily flight from IAH most likely has significant demand from the energy industry. CRW is only the 156th largest metro area in the country. IAH does not have service to many closer, larger and wealthier cities like LNK, EVV, MSN, and FWA so something has to support such a flight...

I wouldn't call CRW-IAH a coal flight, but energy is definitely a big part of it. If you took at look at the fares on that route, it's a little easier to answer the "why does this exist?" question.

MSN surprises me, but the others don't. Consider that LNK is an hour from OMA, FWA is 1:30 from IND, EVV is under 2 hours from SDF.

CRW is the primary airport for a surrounding radius of 1.5 - 2.5 hours depending on which direction you're going...which is a big part of the reason why this city with 50,000 in city limits has ATL, DTW, IAD, DCA, CLT, LGA (switching to DFW), IAH, ORD, and MYR. Being the state capital also generates some travel. In addition to all of the energy happenings, there is also a healthy and growing auto presence in the region, with ownership in Europe, Japan, and recently a new tie to somewhere in Mexico ( the city escapes me)


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 65, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 61):
It is far from silly. It is a safe assumption that any long, thin 1x daily flight from IAH most likely has significant demand from the energy industry.

Have a look at XE's Mexico route map, and let's talk. There's not a whole lot of energy production in most of the low-frequency Mexico cities XE serves.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 61):
IAH does not have service to many closer, larger and wealthier cities like LNK, EVV, MSN, and FWA so something has to support such a flight...

Aside from LNK, which is a bit of an outlier because of the proximity to OMA, all of those cities have much more service to ORD than does CRW. CRW has something like 4 flights to hubs west of CLT/ATL.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 64):
FWA is 1:30 from IND

I wouldn't say that it's that fast. I go to the I-465 north/Keystone area of Indy every few months (for non-aviation purposes), and it takes about two hours from the center of Fort Wayne. And IND is another 20 minutes from there. If you take I-69 to I-465 south to I-70, the travel time is cut to two hours and five minutes from Fort Wayne to IND. (During Indy rush hour, add another 15-30 minutes to the travel time of either route.)

[Edited 2013-03-08 18:47:34]


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 65):
Have a look at XE's Mexico route map, and let's talk. There's not a whole lot of energy production in most of the low-frequency Mexico cities XE serves.

First off, ExpressJet's IATA code is now EV (ASA's former code), but your fact is solid and remains.

You could also say the same thing about Eagle, their Mexico route map from DFW, and the tech/telecom industry in addition to oil.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 68, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 67):
First off, ExpressJet's IATA code is now EV (ASA's former code), but your fact is solid and remains.

I know. We had been talking about the past, so I was thinking the past. And to me, EV is still Acey . . .



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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3005 posts, RR: 31
Reply 69, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 35):
No comments on the big ZK pull down in DIK and ISN? Down to 2 daily with ISN losing the nonstop to DEN.

I guess maybe it's that nobody is surprised. One wonders how well they'll do in ND even with the sharply reduced schedule.

Last August, Great Lakes had monopolies out of both ISN and DIK, with 300 total weekday seats departing ND.

This year, United and Delta have 500 RJ seats out of ISN and DIK combined, and ZK is down from 300 seats to 60.

Although ZK has the Frontier code share going for it, one wonders how well it will go for them. Their EM2 flights are not very far off from the RJ nonstops so there's little if any benefit from filling caps between the RJ's.

Looking at last August's ZK statisics, ISN+DIK were just under 8% of all flights but were close to 30% of total RPM's in the Great Lakes system. Throw in Laramie, which is another ZK route taken over by RJ's, and it was 31.5% of last August's RPM's. That's gotta hurt. EM2 lines of flying are down from 5 last August to 3 this summer.

I dont know how well ZK does on their EAS markets -- they are *not* a guranteed profit as some seem to think, though they may be. But whatever they make or lose on EAS, it's likely not going to have the profits from the petrol boom markets. Reminds me a bit of another era when United replaced UA* Air Wisconsin with mainline on three top routes...ORD-MKE, ORD-MSN and IAD-ORF...and perrennially-profitable ZW swung to serious losses.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 70, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA CRW-LGA JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

What is so special about West Virginia?!? AA appears to be much more committed to making WV work than states like Idaho, Maine and Rhode Island, that's for sure. Now, if DFW-CRW fails (before the merger with US occurs) like ORD-CRW and LGA-CRW did, they can always try MIA-CRW   .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0

After stuff like DFW-FAY and DFW-AGS was cut, this isn't surprising at all. They can always elect to serve CSG from CLT  . Of course, after cutting several long, thin routes from DFW to small Southeastern markets they go ahead and start DFW-CRW...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA MIA-SAN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

I'm shocked that they added this before MIA-AUS. SAN becomes one of very few markets that will see service to all 9 hubs - CLT, DCA, DFW, LAX, MIA, NYC (JFK and/or LGA), ORD, PHL, and PHX. Other than BOS, LAS, MCO, SAN, and STL, are there are other nonhub markets with such service?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Moment of silence for the fallen hub...R.I.P.
*AA SJU-ANU APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-DOM APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-EIS APR 4>0 MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 4>0 NOV 4>0
*AA SJU-FDF APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-PTP APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-PUJ APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0
*AA SJU-SDQ APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
*AA SJU-SKB APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-STI APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA SJU-STT APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
*AA SJU-STX APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0

They are just now cutting this?!? It's not like this decision happened this week. When it comes to all the necessary pax rebooking, some folks will get a nice upgrade to B6, but others will get a nice downgrade to the likes of LIAT... Never thought I'd see SJU become an AA spoke. Will be interesting to see if SJU-CCS and even SJU-ORD survive...

All in all, though, I remain impressed by B6's ability to grow at SJU. First JAX and PBI, now PUJ and ORD... In 10 years, B6 at SJU may offer almost everything that the old AA hub did! B6 to places like AUA, BGI, and PHL simply doesn't seem like a stretch at this point, nor does stuff like SJU-PVD or SJU-RDU!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AM LAX-CUN JUN 0>0.5 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.1

AM continues to expand from CUN to major U.S. markets. Some have long said that American tourists avoid Mexican carriers like the plague when going to Mexican beach resorts, but I just don't think that is true. Many American leisure travelers have been on chartered flights south of the border operated by Mexican airlines; this is how I went with my family, along with several friends and their families, to CUN back in 2006. Our flights ORD-CUN and CUN-ORD were operated by AM and very enjoyable. During college, I heard several stories about friends on Spring Break connecting in places like GDL and MEX on Mexican carriers to get to destinations like SJD. If anything, most people are surprised to find that Mexican airlines actually operate newer planes and offer better service!

With several prime U.S.-Mexican beach market routes off limits to new American operators per the U.S.-Mexico bilateral (LAX-CUN being one example, with the 3 U.S. authorities currently being used by DL, UA, and VX), I'm glad to see a nice Mexican carrier seizing the opportunity. Perhaps Y4 and 4O will follow suit.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AM LAX-HUX JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2

Interesting, AM will offer the only nonstop service on this route. I guess AS and UA didn't find it to be worthwhile, despite Huatulco's tourist appeal.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CI HNL-TPE JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3

CI has been serving HNL for years, in spite of the onerous visa restrictions for Taiwanese visiting the U.S. before Taiwan's recent entry into the Visa Waiver Program. Now that Taiwan's citizens can much more easily visit the U.S., this isn't a surprising move (routing via Tokyo may no longer be necessary), but interesting that this goes on sale right when HA's new HNL-TPE flights do  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DE SJU-FRA NOV 0>0.2

Wow, SJU actually gains service to Europe? That is great news for Puerto Rico!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Amazing a route like that can't work in July???
*DL ATL-ONT JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0

Well, in July, you can expect Ontario to be 100 degrees and choked in smog. Quite frankly, Atlanta isn't much better, what with its oppressive humidity.

LOL, all joking aside, this article sums it up:

http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci...stinations-increase-flights-at-lax

"Compared to Los Angeles, the route was vastly underperforming for us," Cortelyou said of the Ontario-Atlanta flight. "We had to make the decision not to fly that. We had to fly it via Salt Lake."

ONT, like the rest of L.A.'s secondary/outlying airports, is dominated by an LCC. For most local travelers, WN is the first thing you think of when ONT comes to mind. This probably wasn't a huge issue for DL when BHM was the nearest WN could get you to Atlanta, but WN serving ATL (with various one stop connections from ONT) may have been the final straw for DL's ATL-ONT service. There are also other issues, such as ONT's relatively high costs, distance from L.A.'s main centers of business and wealth, and the general lack of familiarity with "Ontario" outside of California.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-MEX OCT 1.0>2 NOV 0.9>1.9

Are there a lot of Mexicans in the Detroit area? There sure aren't many here in nearby Cleveland. This is a surprising increase indeed.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-GEO MAY 0.6>0.1 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0

I realize that DL has been much more willing to take on services from JFK to, shall we say, unique markets - DKR, GEO, KBP, PSA, VLC, etc. - than AA, but I still found it very surprising that DL jumped into a South American market even AA didn't serve. Perhaps the rumors of AA launching GEO (and PBM) will come true, or perhaps there just isn't a profitable opportunity for American carriers to serve the Guianas...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-ANC JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.5
*DL LAX-GEG SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

DL's LAX expansion has been rumored for some time, and here it is. Unlike their schizophrenic mid-2000s expansion, I think this one has a solid foundation - key regional feeder flights (LAS, OAK, PHX, SAN, SFO, SLC, and SMF) are now well established, and can provide critical FF appeal to the local market and also feed for longer haul stuff like this. Really the only recent move by DL at LAX that left me scratching my head was BNA, but then again I suppose they probably have pretty decent loyalty on the BNA end as they do in CMH, MSY, and RDU to make those LAX services work. I'm interested to see how BOS does, as that is the type of highly competitive major market that LAX travelers actually care about. If DL really wants to become a serious option for L.A. travelers, they'll have to serve places like Boston, Chicago, D.C., and Texas..

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*FL AUS-SJD JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.2

Have the UA flights gone on sale yet?   Seems like such an odd route for UA to care about, but then again, UA is still flying the AUS-CUN it added when FL/WN started that route...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HA HNL-BNE SEP 0.4>0.6 OCT 0.5>0.6
HA HNL-SYD SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3

I remember reading the thread about HA increasing its Australian and New Zealand services. HA really seems to be doing a good job of winning over foreign travelers in places like Australia, Japan, and New Zealand that are often loathe to take American carriers unless absolutely necessary. I wonder when they'll add HNL-MEL? MEL is obviously colder and less beachy/tropical than SYD and BNE, so I would think a Hawaii vacation would be more popular for them than someone in Brisbane or Sydney that can easily drive to the beach?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*HA HNL-TPE JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.4

Made possible by Taiwan's entry to the Visa Waiver Program. I'm surprised that Hong Kong is not a nominated/road map "country".

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NH SEA-NRT APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

A boon for UA and especially DL, that's for sure.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NH SJC-NRT APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

A major blow for SJC. I guess the airport can at least be happy about all the new service to LAX it is getting on DL and VX, though!  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
QR ORD-DOH APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.7

All this talk of the Persian Gulf carriers being invincible. They are highly vulnerable: they are at the mercy of aircraft manufacturers to get all the planes they need to grow!  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US CLT-DUB SEP 0.1>0.9 OCT 0>0.1
US CLT-MAD SEP 0.1>0.7
US CLT-MHT APR 1.0>1.7

Interesting...DL seems to be struggling with many of its routes between ATL and secondary European markets, while US seems to be doing very well with routes between CLT and secondary markets. Then again, could simply be an aircraft opportunity cost - DL can send its widebody planes to Africa, Latin America, or Asia if Europe isn't doing well... All US can do is send them to Brazil or the Caribbean!



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 70):

Interesting...DL seems to be struggling with many of its routes between ATL and secondary European markets, while US seems to be doing very well with routes between CLT and secondary markets. Then again, could simply be an aircraft opportunity cost - DL can send its widebody planes to Africa, Latin America, or Asia if Europe isn't doing well... All US can do is send them to Brazil or the Caribbean!

I find it interesting that you bring this up. While yes, CLT and ATL support the same traffic flows, CLT has always had the ability to support mainline service to most cities in the Northeast (ALB, SYR, BUF, ROC, PVD, PWM, etc..) even when DL could only fly RJs to these cities from ATL. Up until a couple of years ago, ALB-ATL was only a couple daily RJs, when US was operating three mainline flights on ALB-CLT. Furthermore, there are a couple of secondary markets that US has been able to serve from CLT than DL couldn't make work from ATL. Take YOW, for example. DL tried and failed on ATL-YOW, but yet US has been flying CLT-YOW for almost three years, and they sometimes even upgrade the flight to E75s.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 71):

I find it interesting that you bring this up. While yes, CLT and ATL support the same traffic flows, CLT has always had the ability to support mainline service to most cities in the Northeast

I think thats just because of how strong US is in the northeast its almost all connections. US has been historically strong in the northeast for along time.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 73, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 70):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NH SEA-NRT APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

A boon for UA and especially DL, that's for sure.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NH SJC-NRT APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

A major blow for SJC. I guess the airport can at least be happy about all the new service to LAX it is getting on DL and VX, though! .

This isn't a blow to SJC. The flight operated about four days and then was suspended due to the 787 grounding. NH isn't discontinuing, but apparently doesn't expect it to resume with 787s until past August.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 74, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA JFK-SCL JUN 1.0>0

LAN will continue to operate the SCL-JFK route daily on a year-round basis.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA LAX-LIM OCT 1.9>1.6

LAN will continue to operate LIM-LAX 13x weekly year-round. The LIM-LAX route will receive an additional frequency in November and will operate 2x daily.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MHC-PMC APR 0.5>0 MAY 0.6>0 JUN 0.6>0 JUL 0.5>0 AUG 0.6>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0

LAN will continue to operate the SCL-PMC-MHC route up to 7x weekly year-round.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MIA-PUJ OCT 0.3>0.1 NOV 0.3>0.2

MIA-PUJ will continue to operate 2x weekly.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4154 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 70):
MEL is obviously colder and less beachy/tropical than SYD and BNE, so I would think a Hawaii vacation would be more popular for them than someone in Brisbane or Sydney that can easily drive to the beach?

How much of the HA traffic is US-based and how much is foreign-based, on the other end of those Pacific routes? With all the HA routes being started, is there any noticeable increase in connections over HNL vs. HNL destinating traffic?


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 71):
CLT has always had the ability to support mainline service to most cities in the Northeast (ALB, SYR, BUF, ROC, PVD, PWM, etc..) even when DL could only fly RJs to these cities from ATL. Up until a couple of years ago, ALB-ATL was only a couple daily RJs, when US was operating three mainline flights on ALB-CLT. Furthermore, there are a couple of secondary markets that US has been able to serve from CLT than DL couldn't make work from ATL. Take YOW, for example. DL tried and failed on ATL-YOW, but yet US has been flying CLT-YOW for almost three years, and they sometimes even upgrade the flight to E75s..



That is not entirely accurate. BUF, PWM, PVD are all mainline on DL from ATL. The majority of ROC flights from ATL are mainline. Only SYR is majority RJ from ATL, although they also have a couple mainline on this route. Secondly, DL has the flexibility of routing connecting traffic via multiple hubs (ATL, DTW, MSP, LGA) versus US which must route all connecting traffic via CLT or PHL.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 77, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2519 times:

Quoting compensateme (Reply 42):
DL's reluctance to streamline its product is a big pet peeve of mine. ATL-MEX is primarily flown with the 73G (with upgrades to 73H & 75X during peak periods) and yet the 90-minute longer, and nearly 5-hour flight time, DTW-MEX sees the inferior product. There's also a scheduled surge in West Coast flying from DTW operated with ex-NW aircraft ... something DL attempts to avoid from ATL.

Yes, ATL-MEX sees a hodge podge of planes. I have seen anything from A319 to 757 hehe. The 73Ws are very nice though. I flew MEX-DTW-LGA / EWR-DTW-MEX back when NW was still around and it was a good flight. Nothing special but not bad at all. The MEX-DTW leg is barely 3 hours and 45 minutes (airborne). The return is somewhere between 4 and 4.5 hours. Not long at all.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 70):
Are there a lot of Mexicans in the Detroit area? There sure aren't many here in nearby Cleveland. This is a surprising increase indeed.

I did notice DL was flying the route twice later this year. I was a bit impressed too, but good for DL. This flight is not about VFR but more about the automobile industry, connections both at MEX and DTW, etc.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
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