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BA And The Old 737-400  
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10816 posts, RR: 9
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10500 times:

I wondered how much longer BA would hold on to their aging 737-400 fleet. These planes are from the early 90s, and as LH is scrapping their 737s of the same vintage, and AF doing the same with A320s of that age I assume that they´ll not fly much longer. 4 year old plans from 2009 spoke of 2015 but is that still the case? Did BA order replacements for them?

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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10277 times:

BA will send 6 ex bmi A319s to LGW this summer altough I'm not sure if they are a replacement for the 737s or not. BA are adding routes at LGW this summer but not enough to demand 6 airplanes.

User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10229 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 1):
BA will send 6 ex bmi A319s to LGW this summer altough I'm not sure if they are a replacement for the 737s or not

There will be a total of 5 A319's at LGW this summer. They will remain at LGW through W13. The plan is for 10+ A319's to based at LGW S14. With 3 to 4 737's leaving the fleet W13


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10121 times:

BA has 10 new A320s due between Jun 13 and Oct 14, some of those will be for new services from LHR but, no doubt, some will be to replace older aircraft allowing them to be re-deployed to LGW.


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User currently offlineairsmiles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9925 times:

According to Jethros there are 3 A320's leaving the fleet in 2015, so how does that affect the LGW B734 replacement plan? These 3 were new to BA so I presume the leases will expire, with others to follow?

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Out of service is 2014 last time I heard. There was an RFP that hasn't gone anywhere yet to replace them. My suspicion is Vueling will be coming on board rather than new BA metal.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11701 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 5):
My suspicion is Vueling will be coming on board rather than new BA metal.

That's what I've heard as well. Supposedly some people at BCN have been asked if they are prepared to work out of LGW during set up - but I must emphasize that is a rumor from the floor so take with lots of salt.


Dan  



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User currently offlinevasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3975 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):

So going by that rumour, BA would leave Gatwick shorthaul altogether?


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Quoting vasu (Reply 7):
So going by that rumour, BA would leave Gatwick shorthaul altogether?

Assuming the Vueling takeover goes ahead then maybe BA will be leaving Gatwick short haul but IAG would not.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting vasu (Reply 7):
So going by that rumour, BA would leave Gatwick shorthaul altogether?
Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
Assuming the Vueling takeover goes ahead then maybe BA will be leaving Gatwick short haul but IAG would not.

I think "yes" covers it nicely, we shall see.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11701 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
I think "yes" covers it nicely, we shall see.

  

Makes a fair amount of sense.


Dan  



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

According to page 32 - the last page - of the IAG Annual Report here

http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zht...-newsArticle&ID=1790315&highlight=

the IAG group have 2 A319s and 17 A320s on order plus options on a further 31 A320s.

Of the 320s 10 are scheduled for delivery to BA between June 2013 and November of 2014 with registrations G-EUYO, 'YP and 'YR to 'YY reserved. It is unclear to me if any other of the aircraft on order will be delivered to BA.

Sceduled delivery dates for te BA aircraft are:

June 13
September 13
November 13
January 14
February 14
March 14
May 14
June 14
July 14
November 14

The oldest 320 in the BA fleet, G-EUUA , was delivered in January 2002.


User currently offlineLGWGate49 From Sudan, joined Nov 2009, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
Assuming the Vueling takeover goes ahead then maybe BA will be leaving Gatwick short haul but IAG would not.

It's interesting that both BA and Vueling are starting LGW-BCN this year (5 x daily between them).



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User currently offlinevectismanpaul From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Personally I believe that IAG interest in Vueling is connected more to putting pressure on Iberia's employees to accept changes than to replace BA at Gatwick. There could well be co-operation on Spanish routes but not everywhere. The BA brand is better known and accepted by British travellers. I notice in another thread that that the bid for Vueling has also been delayed.

V.


User currently offlinevectismanpaul From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Maybe a more interesting way to use Vueling if finally purchased by IAG would be to challenge the more established LCCs
on routes from other UK airports to the Sun destinations. (Including Stansted, Manxhester, Birmingham etc....) Heathrow and Gatwick tend to be less price sensitive and BA is well established at both of them)

V.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

BA LGW is dying a death of a thousand cuts an attempt to shrink into profit, something that is notoriously tricky to get right. In a decade we've seen loss of the hub, CFE and the lower cost base, GT with similar, BRT routes to INV, IOM, BA domestics to ABZ, NCL and MAN, non leisure long haul to LHR, all B733s, all B735s, ramp staff, most of the maintenance base. Actually there's not a whole lot left.
Some of the more seasoned customer service staff, a dying fleet of old B734s being supported by more a fleet of ex BMI A319s that have seating that winds up LHR frequent flyers and a core profitable fleet of B772s on the beach fleet routes. There's not much left to cut!

Any news on the fleet replacement? Seems to have gone rather quiet.


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 1002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):
BA LGW is dying a death of a thousand cuts an attempt to shrink into profit, something that is notoriously tricky to get right. In a decade we've seen loss of the hub, CFE and the lower cost base, GT with similar, BRT routes to INV, IOM, BA domestics to ABZ, NCL and MAN, non leisure long haul to LHR, all B733s, all B735s, ramp staff, most of the maintenance base. Actually there's not a whole lot left.
Some of the more seasoned customer service staff, a dying fleet of old B734s being supported by more a fleet of ex BMI A319s that have seating that winds up LHR frequent flyers and a core profitable fleet of B772s on the beach fleet routes. There's not much left to cut!

Any news on the fleet replacement? Seems to have gone rather quiet.

You might add that at the same time the BA LGW schedule is getting more and more akward, traditional daily flights are being replaced by irregular flights at irregular timings on irregular days by irregular aircraft types - see example below:

- dep. 07:20 LGW - arr. 09:35 AMS BA 2758 734 Sunday
- dep. 07:30 LGW - arr. 09:40 AMS BA 2758 734 Saturday
- dep. 07:55 LGW - arr. 10:10 AMS BA 2758 319 Wednesday
- dep. 07:55 LGW - arr. 10:10 AMS BA 2758 734 Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri
- dep. 10:50 LGW - arr. 13:05 AMS BA 2760 734 Tue, Thu, Fri
- dep. 10:50 LGW - arr. 13:05 AMS BA 2760 319 Wednesday
- dep. 11:00 LGW - arr. 13:10 AMS BA 2760 319 Saturday
- dep. 11:00 LGW - arr. 13:10 AMS BA 2760 734 Sunday
- dep. 11:15 LGW - arr. 13:25 AMS BA 2760 734 Monday
- dep. 16:00 LGW - arr. 18:10 AMS BA 2762 319 Thursday
- dep. 16:00 LGW - arr. 18:10 AMS BA 2762 734 Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri
- dep. 18:00 LGW - arr. 20:10 AMS BA 2764 734 Fri, Sat, Sun


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