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Japanese Aviation News Thread 2013  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7138 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Hello guys!

I know you may be familiar with the PHX thread I often reference in my comments regarding routes, and I have to say I am proud to see the contributions by Phoenicians and non-phoenicians alike since it was started in July of last year.

Well since I'm in Japan, and since I've been bombarded with Japanese aviation news (primarily in regards to the dreamliner) I feel like it's best we resurrect the Japanese Aviation thread. The last one was closed so far long ago I can't even find it in the search.

I move to Japan "officially" on March 21, and I intend on beginning a spotting group similar to PHX Spotters in Tokyo (but of course welcoming spotters from all over Japan), so I feel this thread would be a good base to start from.

I know the language barrier is an issue, so I will try my best to include everyone in the discussion. I sent an email to the mods regarding use of Japanese, translations, and the like, but I will say as for right now, please write in English.

So WELCOME to 2013's Japanese Aviation News Thread!!!!  

Let's start things off with some talking points:

The effect of the 787 grounding on NH:
(here's some articles here: http://www.japantoday.com/category/n...distribution-panel-trouble-3-times
and here: http://www.japantoday.com/category/n...sees-boeing-progress-on-batteries)

Effect of the 787 grounding on JL

Effect of the 787 grounding on pilots (article here: http://www.japantoday.com/category/n...-idled-dreamliner-pilots-lose-pay)

Spotting locations and spotting stories in Japan
What's up with HND's international ops at night? That is quite inconvenient for those who have to use the trains
Here's a debate we can have- Keisei Skyliner, Narita Express, or those busses that always get stuck in traffic- which do you prefer?

For the sake of the FAA grounding news of the 787, please use the thread below. Don't discuss those details (except the progress of the battery fixes on the Japanese 787s) here.
FAA Grounds 787 Part #12 (by 777er Mar 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I hope this thread gets a lot of participation!
よろしくおねがいします!
PHX787/Zach


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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2939 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
What's up with HND's international ops at night?

Everything. When domestic flights don't operate late at night til early morning, HND comes to a halt.
The runways have been built further out into Tokyo Bay, so HND is now and has been for the last 15 years, a semi-island airport with approaches and departure tracks that can avoid any populated areas.
Thus the Ministry of Transport built a new enlarged int'l terminal and largely being used when domestic operations come to a halt in the late evening till early morning.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
The effect of the 787 grounding on NH

Obviously, much more impact than JAL sheerly because of the larger fleet size and nothing that fill that grounded capacity and capabilities of the 787 without resorting to wet-leases.
Frankly, I had wished ANA placed an order/lease for A330 back in 2008. That would definitely had protected ANA from all the troubles 787 has gone through and yet to go thru. This would have allowed the older 763s to be retired earlier. Furthermore, NH & JL are the only two major Far East carriers to not operate the A330s. The A330 is a much better platform for carrying cargo and additional passengers over the 763 on some of the more heavy demand routes such as NRT/HND-BKK, HKG, SIN, HNL.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7138 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 1):
Thus the Ministry of Transport built a new enlarged int'l terminal and largely being used when domestic operations come to a halt in the late evening till early morning.

I still don't really see why the international carriers are relegated to late night ops at HND. My buddy flew there on DL last year and he said he was stuck there for a while until the trains came alight.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24736 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I still don't really see why the international carriers are relegated to late night ops at HND.

For US carriers certainly, but there are international ops during the day. Korean Air, Asiana, Cathay, China, EVA are amongst foreign operators that have daytime slots.

I don't recall the start date, but Air France will have a daytime flight coming up, while Virgin Atlantic is moving from NRT to HND in 2014 with daytime slots.

When the next round of slots become available for the US side maybe they can get some daytime ones also.



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2939 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I still don't really see why the international carriers are relegated to late night ops at HND.

Please re-read what I wrote. NRT is open to all int'l traffic during the daytime. Otherwise, HND is late night ops for long-haul flying.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
I don't recall the start date, but Air France will have a daytime flight coming up, while Virgin Atlantic is moving from NRT to HND in 2014 with daytime slots.

When the next round of slots become available for the US side maybe they can get some daytime ones also.

Yes, I really don't agree because it just causes headaches and accuses the Ministry of Transport on favoritism for some countries. There should be a perimeter rule for int'l routes similar to Washington National. If some countries get one or two flights so that's the way its going to go.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24736 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

I'm curious how the new LCC's are doing?

We have the new players Peach, Air Asia Japan and Jetstar. Each one seemingly is staking out added new bases also.

Also wondering how lets say ANA conceptualizes its multiple joint-ventures with Peach, Air Asia Japan and Do Air all at the same time. What is the market placement of each, and how does one ensure it does not cannibalize its own traffic.



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2939 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
how the new LCC's are doing?


Of the three new entrants Peach is doing the best. They are either meeting or exceeding expectations.
Of course, having no bad publicity helps. They have really focused on Osaka Kansai and many are flocking to them and is expanding at a good pace.

I have not heard/read anything really bad nor good from Jetstar Japan but being backed up by two big shareholders, JAL & Jetstar, helps.

AirAsia Japan is the worst off and only have three A320s after just eight months of operation. Again operating from NRT seems to be a handicap because of the curfew. Both Jetstar Asia & AirAsia have received some bad press on cancelled and late flights. Most of the cancelled flights emanate from the night curfew. For example, if the aircraft that is to operate the last two flights of the day is running late and cannot get back to NRT within the curfew, they just cancel those flights.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7138 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

How is Starflyer doing? My buddy is flying for them nowadays.

Also, what about Fuji Dream? That airline seems to have a strange business plan.



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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 4):
Yes, I really don't agree because it just causes headaches and accuses the Ministry of Transport on favoritism for some countries. There should be a perimeter rule for int'l routes similar to Washington National. If some countries get one or two flights so that's the way its going to go.

You think so? I think they've been pretty straightforward in granting daytime slots as bilateral agreements have been amended.

The US-Japan daytime slots have yet to be granted but Japanese airlines are as anxious as US ones, as ANA and JAL will get to split the same amount of slots that UA/AA/DL/HA will be duking out later this year.

It seems unfortunate that Japanese airports have been so handicapped to the detriment of the flying public. There's really no airport that can serve as a true hub for international/domestic connections as all of them are limited in one way or another. Kansai should have been perfect, but then you had the same nimbys that called for Itami to shut down start clamoring for it to remain open, thus you had the Narita/Haneda situation repeated in Osaka, with domestic flights on one airport and international ones on another, with the situation only made worse by the nearby Kobe airport. Nagoya seems to have a harder time than KIX in attracting long haul traffic, so it's not really much of an intercontinental hub either.

With these new daytime intercontinental slots, HND should once more provide the seamless domestic/international connections that right now are pretty much only possible through ICN or other airports.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 6):
AirAsia Japan is the worst off and only have three A320s after just eight months of operation. Again operating from NRT seems to be a handicap because of the curfew.

Doesn't sound too surprising, some of their flights arrive at NRT around 9-10pm, which makes getting to Tokyo a bit tricky in case of a delay, the last Keisei train leaves Narita at around 11pm, so even if you beat the curfew and get land there before 11pm, you very well might get stuck in Narita until 6am if you miss the last train, which is even worse than Haneda. At Haneda, you have late night buses going out till about 00:45, and if you're late, you only have about a 4 hour wait until the train starts running again (plus there's a few overnight options within the airport itself). Not surprising to hear many people don't want to run the risk of taking these flights.


User currently offlinehoons90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2993 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4002 times:
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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2939 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 9):
Are JAL running charter flights to Prague again this summer?


Probably, if the 787s are airworthy. Both the 763ER & 772ER fleets are being fairly maxed out due to the grounding.
Not sure if they handle the additional charters.

With that said, perhaps local spotters will enjoy more variety, as the tour companies can contract the flying to EU carriers.

Quoting SR117 (Reply 8):
You think so? I think they've been pretty straightforward in granting daytime slots


So which countries should get HND daytime access? Plus how does one even begin to quantify which countries should get how many slots. For example, US gets a few slots while EU gets none. Is it fair to have awarded US carriers just two slots with a gaggle of flights between Japan-US; all the while UK which only had two long-haul carriers and only 4.7 daily flights amongst all carriers get one or even two slots?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

PIA are planning to fly nonstop to NRT from later this year maybe using 772, if so it will be their only 777 service to far east, currently flights are via PEK with A310.

User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2939 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
How is Starflyer doing?


They will take delivery of their ninth aircraft later this month.
They will double the number of flights on the HND-FUK route (five to ten?) and add one additional frequency on HND-KIX.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
Also, what about Fuji Dream? That airline seems to have a strange business plan.


As an independent regional airline flying E70/E75s in this part of the world, certainly.

Don't forget that there will be a new regional airline that will operate ATR72s. I have no idea where they are being based.

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
PIA are planning to fly nonstop to NRT from later this year maybe using 772


If I remember correctly, PIA actually holds four weekly slots at NRT. They operate the two weekly A310s via PEK, but they have rights on two weekly Pakistan-BKK/MNL route as well. That route was discontinued around 2000 when India-Pakistan relationship went sour.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7138 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 12):

As an independent regional airline flying E70/E75s in this part of the world, certainly.

Don't forget that there will be a new regional airline that will operate ATR72s. I have no idea where they are being based.

I wonder if the influx of LCCs in Japan is going to have some consequences unintended.... I somehow see Starflyer being a purchaser of at least one of these LCCs in the near future.

I agree about FDA I'm not sure how long they're going to survive. Shizuoka is not well connected to its airport at all (the Shinkansen itself passes underneath the runway without stopping at the airport) My buddy just became a F.O. for FDA and he doesn't seem to pleased about it (he spent the last 2 years trying to find a job after graduating ASU)



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2939 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

FDA has its HQ in Shizuoka, but many of its flights are based out of Nagoya Komaki.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
I wonder if the influx of LCCs in Japan is going to have some consequences unintended.... I somehow see Starflyer being a purchaser of at least one of these LCCs in the near future.

Starflyer is not an LCC. They have 144/150 passengers in a single-class cabin, which is hardly cramming. They have a niche in the Japanese market. They are growing very slowly and code-sharing with NH on the HND-Kitakyushu and KIX routes.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7138 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

KZ seems to be doing quite well, apparently. How are those 748s doing for them?

Now who handles the Japanese Post overseas? I had something mailed from Sophia to my house in Ohio, and it was supposed to be there in a week....well actually, it took 3 days and it was received today. Does KZ and the 748 handle post mail going to the US? I checked and it said that the mail was processed and cleared customs first in Chicago. Surprised me a bit.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 14):
Starflyer is not an LCC. They have 144/150 passengers in a single-class cabin, which is hardly cramming. They have a niche in the Japanese market. They are growing very slowly and code-sharing with NH on the HND-Kitakyushu and KIX routes.

Hm I wonder how my buddy got in as a pilot over there then.



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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 10):
So which countries should get HND daytime access? Plus how does one even begin to quantify which countries should get how many slots. For example, US gets a few slots while EU gets none.

The EU already has slots as far as I know ( http://www.orientaviation.com/sectio...Article=A20100830110827-aa6Av& ) France, Germany and The Netherlands already have access but their airlines choose not to fly to Haneda as the times are less than ideal for European based airlines. Let's not forget that Canada also has access but chooses not to exercise it as AC had trouble filling their YVR-HND flight.

Using the current slot breakdown for transcontinental ops as a basis of who gets the daytime slots seems fair enough. In fact, it seems to be the blueprint the MLIT is be following, with Germany being the latest country to get a new agreement ( http://en.airportnews.jp/headline/644/ ), while the UK and France already have their daytime slots.

Access to Narita is already limited by the number of slots available and bilateral agreements, so it's not as if Haneda is the only airport where new slots have to be divided up and allocated. There will always be winners and losers, but that's the way things go when you have limited resources.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24736 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

I saw Air Transport World has named ANA its Airline of the Year.

Magazine found that ANA demonstrated excellence and outstanding performance across all selection areas - strong financial discipline, excellent safety record, eco and technology endeavors, high standards of customer service.

Kudos to ANA !



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7138 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

It's almost been 2 years since 3/11/11 and looks like SDJ is bouncing back nicely. HA is beginning service on a triangle route HNL-SDJ-CTS soon.


What's up with the air today?! Some sort of dust storm. Reminds me of Phoenix!!

Here's an article about NRT and a "new runway" that's 2,500 meters... is this an extension to the B runway? Or is this a cross runway?
http://www.japantoday.com/category/n...-with-opening-of-2500-meter-runway



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7138 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Hey guys I have a spotter request-

I'm flying DL 275 DTW-NRT which arrives March 21. Anyone who is on the ground in Narita, if you can spot me, that would be amazing. Let me know if you get anything on March 21 from DL 275  

A/c is a sNW 744. Unknown reg (they route those things quite a bit)

Thanks!



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2939 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
What's up with the air today?! Some sort of dust storm.


Originating in the Gobi Desert. We had it here last Saturday and Sunday.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Here's an article about NRT and a "new runway" that's 2,500 meters... is this an extension to the B runway? Or is this a cross runway?


The article is dated March 8, though the author really doesn't know what he/she is writing about. First of all, the second runway which is Runway 16L/34R has been in operation for nearly 11 years, though its initial length was 2,180m. It was lengthened in 2008 or 2009 to 2,500m. Is even possible to add 10 new parking spots at once? NRT has been opening new parking positions, though piecemeal with few here and there over the past few years.


User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

I visit Japan every year - have a Japanese missus - and love going spotting there when she's off with her friends / relatives.
Thing is, at HND, yes, it's busy but I can't see why it's so slot constrained during the day with 4 runways, 3 normally operating at any one time. I'm sure LHR has more movements a day with it's two runways for example. I feel another good few long-haul services could be easily accommodated during day hours, there's certainly gates free on the international terminal then.


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2939 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 21):
there's certainly gates free on the international terminal then.

The int'l terminal is deserted after 1000 and doesn't really pickup until after 2000.
Yes, many of the gates go unoccupied during the daylight hours only to have the gates and remote spots filled after 2200.
That underutilized int'l terminal is already in expansion mode with additional gates to be constructed further north.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7138 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day ago) and read 3003 times:

http://www.japantoday.com/category/n...hts-to-restart-within-weeks-boeing

787 should be up in weeks apparently.



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Has ANA managed to secure earlier than planned delivery of their remaining 3 77E's on order ?

25 Post contains images Senchingo : どおいたしまして  Great idea to revive this! Appreciated! ANA does some of it. If i recall correctly, you can realize Post carriers by the
26 Post contains images PHX787 : yeah same with that NH 763 that buckled a bit on landing last year. Something tells me that those runways are horribly positioned for crosswinds. Was
27 carpethead : Not really. Both HND & NRT use mixed operations for some of their runways. It is just that the artificial limit is kept low by allocating a slot
28 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Another one of those guys is STILL there?! Man, I bet you any of the kaisha's will offer that guy a million bucks for that small house. I think I can
29 Post contains links PHX787 : An article about the Mitsubishi Regional Jet......how come none of us have covered this thing yet? http://www.japantoday.com/category/b...an-jets-into
30 Post contains links Senchingo : Yap. One of the reasons why several constructions couldn't be started/continued as he/she/they are blocking the way and probably won't ever move unti
31 carpethead : There's also a stubborn homeowner at the approach end of Runway 34R too.
32 Post contains images TC957 : Come on, admit it that's it's you so you are never far away from the action !
33 Post contains images PHX787 : Anyone know which aircraft typically use the B runway as opposed to the A runway at NRT? On FR24 I've seen 777s and 787s use both runways but it depen
34 ktachiya : Just from my personal experience but the A rwy is typically used for take-off while the B runway is used for landings. On my flights from YVR-NRT, we
35 carpethead : Anybody know who flew the Japanese baseball team back to Japan? I have heard DL A333 did the US inbound. To put it simply, only the A380 (plus non-sch
36 Senchingo : The NOTAMS for RJCC (Chitose) stated taxiway closures due to snow (removal) for quite a while. Tryed a quick search, but couldn't find anything relate
37 PHX787 : Im not sure about CTS but I know one of the airports in Nagano loads it into trucks and disposes of it that way
38 PHX787 : There's like 5 threads open in regards to Japanese aviation. Lets keep clutter down and discuss it here.
39 PHX787 : I was at NRT today to send my father off back to the states, and his airplane came back TWICE...once for fuel because of the long line for the runway,
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