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AA 773 & 787 Routes From Mia  
User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10350 times:

With AA finally getting the 773 into the fleet and eventually the 787.
What are the possible routes they can start from Mia?

I know its been said on this site that Mia/Nrt was a possibility & that there
was a chance to start Mia/Jnb or Cpt.

How about Mia/Hnl?

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10345 times:

I really can't see either MIA-NRT or MIA-HNL starting. In the former case, while it might be technically feasible, I'm not sure the traffic would be there to support it; AA would be as well off contunuing to route Florida bound/originating pax via DFW or ORD (or even JFK, but that's a bit out of the way).

As for MIA-HNL, both are effectively holiday destinations and I'm not sure if there's much in the way of cultural/business links between FL and HA; like NRT, it could also be much better served via DFW or ORD (or indeed LAX).

South Africa is probably a strong possibility, as are some points in Europe; however these could be served by 772s or 763s and if AA hasn't done so by now, maybe there isn't that much of a market.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10317 times:

MIA-NRT will happen either on JL or AA, with a 787 eventually. The traffic can support at least one flight to Asia. I wouldn't be surprised to see South Africa, Middle East as well. Also, the economics of the 787 might be a better fit for some current South America and European routes.

MIA-HNL? Nope.


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10287 times:

Would the 787 be good on MIA-LPB or VVI currently used by a 757?
I forgot which one but one is 14,000 feet above sea level.


User currently offline4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10216 times:

MIA-NRT and MIA-HNL will most likely never happen. MIA-HNL would fly straight over DFW so it just makes more sense to fly MIA-DFW and switch planes to HNL. If MIA-NRT some how does work out that's great, but that would be one long flight I would not want to go on.


4engines4lnghll
User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 10174 times:

I know that JL & AA have a good alliance going & it might be one or the other flying this route. I think MIA-NRT has the demand.
The flight time will be a little longer than NRT-JFK or HKG-JFK and they operate it successfully.

I know its two completely different routes. I was just comparing flight times.


User currently offlinekeny156 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9759 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 3):

LPB is the highest airport served by AA. Flight 922 does MIA-LPB-VVI-MIA

Quoting mia305 (Reply 5):

AA doesnt operate NRT-JFK or HKG-JFK. They only operate HND-JFK.

I think MIA NRT will happen or ORD HKG at some point with the new American.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7148 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9719 times:

MIA-NRT will happen at some point whether it will be sucessful and stay who knows but when the 787s finally come in AA will try it at some point or maybe JAL will give it a shot.

I also thinks JNB will happen at some point but not sure what aircraft they would use.

I'm sure we will see the 787 on plenty of MIA routes especially when the 767s strart to retire. As for 773 routes I would expect a MIA-GRU and/or EZE flight to get one or both. Also would not be surprised to see MIA-LHR get it. What I am more excited about is having more 777s free which hopefully we can see some expansion with AA to Europe like MXP and maybe just maybe TLV.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

TLV would be nice. Would it be better served from JFK or MIA?

Would the 787 be a good replacement for the MIA-LPB-VVI-MIA route
when aa starts phasing them out. I know wear oxygen masks when they
land at LPB. Planes are restricted from flying there because of the altitude.
The 757 is only plane capable of making that route.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9518 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 8):
TLV would be nice. Would it be better served from JFK or MIA?

I would think it will be better served from JFK but who knows. LY used to fly to MIA as well so I'm guessing there is demand.

A388


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9463 times:

Didn't LY discontinue the route because of low demand?

Maybe AA can make it work. Has the demand increased in MIA
dice LY last served the route?


User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9379 times:

MIA-NRT will happen for sure huge connection to S/America to make 1 stop ......It will happen 1000% once the 787s start coming in...

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9363 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 10):
Didn't LY discontinue the route because of low demand?

I know it was discontinued but don't know why it was discontinued. I think member mah4546 can fill us in here.

A388


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8343 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9215 times:
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787 will eventually operate the 767 flights to Rio and Santiago, Chile. Any 777 flight could be upgraded to 77W. We could see 2 777 daily to EZE one being a 772( with only J and Y) and the second a 77W( with First Class). Miami will eventually have its share of teh 77W and 787 AA bounty on the usual routes but we will at some point see an A350-900 from the Usair fleet, hey llent planes for Brazil.

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9185 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 10):
Didn't LY discontinue the route because of low demand?

High fuel prices. It was using an ancient, fuel guzzling 767-200ER. Demand between Miami and Israel is significant and healthy.



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User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 409 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9159 times:

Quoting mia305 (Thread starter):
How about Mia/Hnl?

MIA-HNL?

No. There is already one stop service to all the islands from DFW and LAX.

Quoting mia305 (Thread starter):
I know its been said on this site that Mia/Nrt

MIA-NRT?

Yes. If not with the 77W then at least the 787.



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9149 times:

I couldve sworn that LY used a 777 on the route before being discontinued

Why wouldnt MIA-HNL work isn't there enough demand from S. America and local demand.


User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 16):
I couldve sworn that LY used a 777 on the route before being discontinued

Why wouldnt MIA-HNL work isn't there enough demand from S. America and local demand.

Nah, it was a 762.

I don't think there is any demand from SA to Hawaii. Hawaii is a leisure market and there are plenty that are much more accessible.

If someone really wants to go to Hawaii from South America they can do it through IAH or DFW.



ET In NYC
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9072 times:

MIA-NRT has 77W written all over it, IMHO. Maybe a 787 to start but this route will grow to a 77W I think.

User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9050 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 16):

I couldve sworn that LY used a 777 on the route before being discontinued
Quoting AA787 (Reply 17):
Nah, it was a 762.

MIA305, your right. I've seen the LY's 772 on approach many a days. Granted they could have switched between the 762/3 but I know for sure they served it with 772's before the removal of the route.


http://www.airliners.net/photo/El-Al...d=ce517d62f1c8782f96707b877c2d2e0a

MIA-HLN is a no go. I dont see people leaving a tropical spot to travel ___ hours to fly to another more expensive destination (HLN). Even if it was connecting traffic from else where.


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9049 times:

Would it be possible for a 77W from MIA-Seoul or is that too far
that plane?

Would it be better served from JFK or LAX?


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9040 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 19):
MIA305, your right. I've seen the LY's 772 on approach many a days. Granted they could have switched between the 762/3 but I know for sure they served it with 772's before the removal of the route.

It was a 772/744 mix when it was via Newark. Non-stop was always a 762.



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9011 times:

I knew I wasn't going crazy saying that. Besides JNB & CPT
what possible routes could they open to Africa from MIA?


User currently offlineFlyVail From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9000 times:

Love this thread. As a (semi-)recent transplant to the FL Keys, I am just starting to get more familiar with AA. Used to fly UA out of DEN almost exclusively.

New flights to Europe on new AA metal would be great.

Would there be any chance of MIA-SYD, MIA-AKL or even MIA-SIN?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8988 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 16):
Why wouldnt MIA-HNL work isn't there enough demand from S. America and local demand.

The yields are garbage and the market isnt as large as you would think.

Quoting FlyVail (Reply 23):
Would there be any chance of MIA-SYD, MIA-AKL or even MIA-SIN?

Never in our lifetime.

Of all the routes talked about in this thread, MIA-NRT has the greatest chance. Its a perfect 787 route and should be marketed as a Florida-Japan nonstop flight. The target should not and would not be Latin America connections as all the big ones are already served via DFW or JFK. MIA-Asia is a market that could mature over time.



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25 mia305 : Is Seoul a possibility or is that a stretch for both aircraft? What's going to happen to the mia-lpb-vvi route. As far as I know only the the 757 can
26 AA787 : Hey mia305, welcome to a.net. Love the enthusiasm! You seem to have posted the question about LPB/VVI several times in this thread. People have seen
27 mia305 : I see your point. That's some nice growth if and when it happens. Would AA put the 77W on the Mia-Lax route. I know its a heavily traveled route with
28 AA787 : Only as a way to move the aircraft around from hub to hub. AA won't waste valuable 77W flights on domestic routes when they can be flown internationa
29 mah4546 : It does sustain 2x daily 777s.
30 mastermis : A lot of people in the Cayman Islands would be thrilled if there was a MIA-JNB. Large South African population here and AA has 3x daily (2x in summer)
31 Roseflyer : There’s no question that MIA will get 77Ws and 787s in the long run, but expect them to show up on the same routes that we are very familiar with ou
32 mia305 : What I ment to say was I'm suprised that the demand is there to sustain two 777's year round. Sorry bout that
33 mia305 : Why didn't AA start the inaugural route with the 77W from MIA-GRU, instead opting DFW. Isn't the demand higher from MIA than DFW?
34 mhkansan : Sure, but MIA has frequency where DFW has one and sometimes two daily flights. Also, easier to make the initial operating base for the 77W at DFW whe
35 mah4546 : Why? Miami-Los Angeles is a huge local market. Every year over 1,000,000 local passengers fly between the two cities. And that doesn't even take into
36 mia305 : I didn't realize there was that much..... WOW! With so much demand and if it were possible why would they fly all widebodies on that route?
37 DCAJet : Well, but AA is already doing 3 daily MIA/EZE/MIA rotations. Why would they reduce capacity?
38 mia305 : I believe they run 3 to 4 daily MIA-EZE-MIA. I might be wrong on Sat they run a late morning early afternoon there. Same for GRU. I could be wrong tho
39 mah4546 : 3x daily to EZE, 4x daily to GRU.
40 mia305 : I couldve sworn that AA had an additional EZE flight on Sat. I stand corrected.
41 BigGSFO : What's the likelihood of MIAHEL now that AY is part of the TATL JV with BA and IB?
42 mah4546 : I think it's likely to come back on AA or AY in the mid-term future. Large local market and AY joining the JV adds a lot of synergy to help make up f
43 N62NA : I'm still shocked that they are running two 772s on the route (quite pleased, but shocked that we've had 2 772s daily for so many months).
44 mia305 : With the high demand from the local and connecting pax between MIA- LAX and if it were possible why wouldn't AA put all widebodies on that route.
45 Post contains images OB1504 : When I first started working at MIA, I was surprised by the amount of passengers flying to MAD and BCN who were continuing on to TLV. Partially becau
46 mia305 : Well if AA gets their priorities straighten out with Israel maybe MIA-TLV will come to fruition.
47 flymia : But other airlines already fly JFK-JNB and JFK-TLV. Both JNB and TLV are good size markets from MIA especially TLV. AA does not serve TLV at all righ
48 airbazar : But MIA has far more frequencies which if a huge attraction for high yield passengers and gives more flexibility for connections (or missed connectio
49 AA787 : Again... they use their widebodies on routes that REQUIRE widebodies (i.e. long haul international routes). The 777s on that route are there for the
50 jfk777 : I am NOT suggesting AA go from 3 to 2 daily, they do that normaly. They fly 3 around Christmas and the summer time in the USA. Since the 777 would ot
51 DCAJet : Huh? I lost you there. So what were you proposing then? Turning the second daily into a daytime flight? AA would never do that - daytime flights are
52 Miami : Studies show daily roundtrip passenger frequencies on both 747-400 and 777-300ER, with load factors ranging from 83% to 85%. Japan-Florida O&D pas
53 jmc1975 : No need for it. CX already does it. Try DFW-HKG.
54 jfk777 : DCA Jet, clearly you don't realize the flight to EZE stay on the ground all day for a nightly return to Miami, but during the high season AA operates
55 KD5MDK : Who would operate this 747?
56 Miami : ANA? I doubt it though seeing only 5 in fleet. I would see 2 77W and 1-2 787 daily.
57 Post contains links KD5MDK : Especially since they are domestic models: http://boeing-747.com/boeing_747_family/747-400d.php Also consider that MIA is a fortress hub for AA so an
58 airdfw : What kind of work that needs to be done for joining JBA? I thought since they are in the same alliance and mostly codeshare flights, the effort is mi
59 mesaflyguy : Indeed, those domestic 747s do not have nearly the range required for even a flight to the west coast.
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